Towing With The Silverado EV! Everything You Need To Know About Towing With Chevy's Electric Pickup
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Kyle heads out on a towing test with Josh Rhodig to discuss towing with the Chevrolet Silverado EV! We discuss range, towing performance, regen strategy, thermals, and so much more.
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They need to start making pull thru charging locations like our gas stations
Tesla does, ea has station's opening later this year laid out that way with overhead solar canopies&battery storage(tesla megapacks)
I think flying j&bucees with the latest gm&tesla charging tie ups will ad more laid out like fueling station's are.
Wal-Mart is getting in the charging game to and one drawing I saw showed station's under a canopy with side by side pull through setups for it.
Yepp, that has been a complaint for years.
Charging ports should be at the front. 90% of all carching events is at non public chargers atm. These are typically mounted to a wall.
The weight of the truck is shown as Curb Weight on the sticker inside door which is 3871 KG or 8532 lbs
Which is approx 100lbs heavier than my 2020 GMC 3500HD AT4 and this ev has less than half the towing capacity...
I really like this truck!
I’m interested in the towing and battery capacity of the 3WT and the luxury and comfort of the RST.
The sticker said 8000 pound tow rating, not 10 000 like they indicate with the hay bales. And tongue weight said 800 pounds.
It may be legal to tow without a weight distributing hitch, but it isn’t sensible.
The ev weighs as much as a F350 dually depending on configuration. Doubt the weight distribution hitch is needed. I pull heavy with a 1 ton and have never needed one. That said, you need to know how to load a trailer.
Per the sticker, curb weight is 8532 lbs.
Unfortunately the price point is our of reach for most that try to live within their means.
GM has some great engineers, it's about time the bean counters and boardroom let some of their ideas and hard work make it to market. It would be interesting to see if the high trim Silverado EVs come with a magnaride like the Corvettes and Cadillacs to make the ride even more refined, maybe with the GMC version when it comes out.
Helps when the CEO and President started their careers as engineers
Great review. Josh is awesome…what a wealth of information! It would be so much fun to get to talk to the engineers who are creating all these new products. He’s absolutely right about this being an incredibly exciting time to be in the auto industry.
Kyle, so you know in the future, thats a John Deere 4 series, model 4075R. The loader is a 4 series loader, model 440 R. That weights about 5600 lbs base weight, plus they have a weight box on the back to get the trailer to that 9k. Like the Nokian tires, neat demo setup.
Correct. The labeling can be confusing, but the important bit is that the loader is a separate product from the tractor, even if you purchase them together. You can connect or disconnect the loader in 5 minutes or even sell it to someone else with the same series of tractor.
I hate trucks and even I like this truck…
I hope its less quirky and more reliable than the Hummer EV - that thing has NOT impressed
Let’s hope its not Hummer-like in reliability
What do with the trailer if you need to charge at a station?
Who cares what it can tow, the WORK truck is 80k! After the small market that can purchase the consumer version, which is 115k, what is left for EV trucks?
Cheaper versions will be introduced next year.... GM is starting with the top trims.
They are all giddy about a truck the public can't buy. Fleet only. Really annoying. They can't say anything bad at the moment due to their contracts they signed I'm sure. For the price of these, you only get a big battery, and a bare bones interior. Ford could have done that to, but realistically, people keep frowning on the Lightnings for their 131kw battery and it's tow range. Majority of people don't travel 100's of miles a day, let alone tow, even at Max capacity. These trucks really aren't meant for that. I'd much rather have tons of creature comforts with a smaller battery to offset the cost. With the midgate, I hardly ever saw anyone with an Avalanche actually use it. These RUclipsrs reviewing these trucks are out of touch with what the public actually uses these for and the loudest critics are the guys who regularly tow with their 3/4 to 1 ton pickups any other day. That's just my opinion. It doesn't really matter.
@@Nebula1701the work truck STARTS at $80K basically the cheapest version.
@@bsandoval19 the WT4 work truck does, that's the fully loaded one. There are still cheaper versions.
Been on the list since they announced it. Really disappointed the work truck price has doubled, putting it out of reach. For me, with the mid-gate, it’s my dream truck 😢
2:39 Doesn't that sticker say max towing is 8,000 lbs? Or am I reading that wrong?
Sure does
Yeah, bit weird with the 10 000 hay bale thing.
7:28 - Wow, that NEMA L14-30 connection with its 240Vac 30A can easily power a whole home in off-grid setup. Just make sure to disconnect the mains or it could blow the truck's inverter!
Also, it will power a home _easily_ all 24hrs -- and _several_ days if conserving. Imagine a natural disaster situation it will be very handy let alone just the annoying occasional city grid blackout.
Agreed. My remote home has a 120/240v, 30A inlet for a generator, but plugging a truck into it would be so much cleaner. They make interlock brackets now for most contemporary electrical panels that make you chose either the inlet breaker or utility main breaker so that both can't both be on together. That saves having to go with a subpanel, etc. 'Much cheaper than a full transfer switch and subpanel.
I just l love how quiet and effortless this truck is.
Massive torque, way more than diesel even.
I still love the Avalanche look. Now if we only had cladding to remove the rocks. Can't imagine what it must be like to have to maintain summer tires and winter tires.
Just FYI, I LOVE Pilot and Flying J stations. Great places to stop. I was wondering when they would add EV charging. Glad to hear it is something they are working on with them.
Still kills me that most of these gas stations today are not adding at least 1 or 2 EV charging stations. Guaranteed traffic for like 20 minutes minimum.
Yep and fueling stations make more money with people stopping in and buying stuff from the shop than the actual fuel sales. It would be nothing for a few of these areas to set up a small sitting area with coffee and snacks for sale while folks wait a few minutes to charge.
I thought free wire would corner that space personally? They have a few here at various gas stations here in GA already.
Usually just 2 dual head station's. 1 ccs, 1 chademo port or dual ccs I've seen so far.
With the low install costs&onboard battery backup. It just made sense to me they would quickly become added to gas stations. 🤔
Maybe a lot of charging companies are in limbo due to the ira passing late last year? Chargers not made in the U.S. with U.S. sourced materials aren't even eligible for the nevi incentives muddying the waters so to speak.
Plus the recent tesla/nacs vs ccs1 war? Teslas like or or not right now are over 75% of all evs on us roads, and with the production capacity they already have? It won't change much until late 2025+ either likely not until more toward 2027 imo.
The single most productive automotive plant in the U.S. is teslas freemont plant for 2+years running now. Also the largest ever automotive plant under 1 continuous roof. Right NOW in the U.S. is the tesla ev only plant in tx. It's only getting started with it's ramp up.
Buc-ee's way ahead of them
Average people (at least most that I know) buy decent used vehicles. Hopefully in another 10 years or so these EVs will make decent used trucks that regular people can afford. All the hype around EVs is largely out of reach for average working americans (especially trucks). Id be driving an EV SUV right now if I could afford one.
After 10 years the EV will be out of warranty and the battery will need replacement. A replacement battery these days are about $20,000
You traveled 12 miles and used 16 miles of range. No too bad it seems to me. 15 miles maybe if you didn’t floor it at the end and kept braking on.
Perfect truck for you is a cyber truck, but that’s already obvious and you’re just bootlicking
Dude. That Eisenhower tunnel on I-70 is the ultimate slope test regardless of the vehicle.
Kyle is so good at respectful interviewing, asking good question, interjecting experience of other vehicles and real-world customers. What a great interview.
26:31 GM please TURN OFF THAT FAKE ENGINE NOISE. WE DON’T WANT IT!!!!!!!!
If payload is 1400lbs the 1000lb tongue weight of the trailer leaves you 400lbs of useful load capacity. Add a 200lb driver and passenger and you're at max gvwr. Put anything in the bed you're over gvwr. You'll not see a 5th wheel option on this truck due to pin weight. You'd need much more payload capacity for a 5th wheel. If rv 5th wheel the aerodynamics would kill range. All that said, I have one on order. My heavy towing will remain assigned to my dually diesel.
Pretty sure this is targeted at those that are using and happy with half-ton capability
I am betting that you can go well over the rated payload without stressing the truck any.
@@woodspk42 My Silverado 1500 LT Trail Boss 3.0l LZO Duramax has a curb weight of 5500lbs, 3000lbs less than this ev, and has a conventional towing capacity of 9000lbs, more than this ev, has a greater range while towing(325mi) or not towing(650mi) than this ev, and was less expensive($65k) than this ev...
So tell me, where's the value in this ev...???
@@TroySavary And should you do that and something happens, accident, vehicle breakdowns, etc, that's all on you...
For those in the general public who can't get a Fleet-only work truck, you only need $106K+ to make it yours.
The weight vs towing capacity is a joke...
My 2020 GMC 3500HD AT4 L5P Duramax has a GVWR of 12100lbs, a payload capacity of 3700lbs and has a curb wight of 8400lbs, that alone gives me the advantage over ANY ev available...
Not too mention the my truck has a GCWR of 29700lbs, conventional towing capacity of 20000lbs(2000lbs tongue), or a gooseneck capacity of 21000lbs(3180lbs tongue)...
Towing my 8500lb 5th wheel, I have approximately 485mi range, I can refuel in 15 min and be on my way again, I don't have to wait 90min for a complete recharge...
There isn't an ev on the planet that can match that...
All things being equal, weight, cost, etc, ev's will never be mainstream, no matter how much you want them to be...
Is this the electric rebirth of the Avalanche? If so, I think it's cool for those who have deep enough pockets.
But it's not for me. My paycheck's way too low to afford this.
Chevy should sell a CCS extension cable that would allow you to pull into a fast charging station nose first with a trailer. 🤔
If someone wants to charge with a gooseneck trailer, there's gonna be some extra steps involved.
That might work in a pinch, but I bet it would throttle charging speeds quite severely. DCFC cables are liquid cooled. An extension cable wouldn't be and would get way too hot too quickly.
Very tricky problem. The cables include cooling and thermodynamic management.
@@justinfowler2857 Or it would be a very fat cable. Like the Tesla V2 supercharger cables that are not liquid cooled and are super heavy vs the V3 supercharger cables that are tiny but really fast and liquid cooled...
@@peterjorgensen3 That might work. It might end up being really stiff and hard to handle. Especially if it's cold out. Not saying that it's impossible. I just question the practicality.
Really cool to have you on the TFL channel and you to call them out! Will there be any collaborations in the future?
Kyle, can you provide info on how these Silverado EV trucks will charge on the Tesla superchargers due to their 800 volt architecture? I was watching some videos of the Tesla and hummer EV charging at really low speeds on the Tesla network due to this.
This was a great episode bro really liked it! Given I am a super nerd myself and listening to the engineer about the Silverado was excellent 👌🙏🥰
Finally hauling some useful - hay! 10 tons of large rectangle hay bales stacked would really block a lot of air. I see they got very creative with the placing bales for the demonstration trailer. The 240 volt output is an absolute must have.
Oops that's only 5 tons I was thinking 10 t. Just enough hay for a few days.
Kyle, will you be replacing the Rivian with the RST version of Silverado EV?
Not replacing - I love the Rivian’s size and trail capability - perhaps a big battery silverado for towing in the future though
I think it depends on when Kyle hits the lottery again.
So if the trailer is 10,000lbs... Does that mean the tongue weight is around 1000lbs? 10%? According to the sticker, the max tongue weight is 800lbs. If the tongue weight is 1000lbs, that would also mean you have about 450lbs of payload remaining, of which you would be about half... I don't tow much, so could easily be wrong about everything.
New combustion tech will have 75% efficiency vs EV at 85% and will have 6000/8400 mile HWY range with a 88 gallon tank on Ethanol/gasoline, 10,000/14,000 city. 68 mpg Hwy/116 MPG city, 97 MPG combined.
CO2 capture (dry ice) allows air conditioning while engine is off. The engine is a combusiton heat pump of sorts. The combustion engine torques out from ZERO RPM with no battery or EV nonsense need. It has 100% brake recovery vs EV at 50%. In city, it will be ~2x better MPGe than EV with no thermal needs/control, and 3-4 times better in extreme hot/cold. Weight is 4200 LBs ( 200 LB less than 2000 Silverado) or 1/2 the EV Silverado. Can tow up to 26,000 GVW limit with added tow tech with range of 1500 to 2000 mile range for a camper. AWD, front and rear steering for ease of towing, turning around and parking. Has Electric genset for 5 kw with engine driving genset and inverter with 1/2 kw capacity to buffer power. Can use 5 kw genset to move car in no combustion mode if need for indoor use.
Make fuel at home for $1/gal with CO2 capture (1/2 above range) on vehicle. It takes $2.2/gal to capture CO2...so CO2 capture SAVES money. Electro fuels from home solar thermal and nuclear will be 3 cents/kwh or 20 times less costs than an a 100% RE grid at 60 cents/kwh. Charging an EV in the UK is already 90 cents/kwh.
Folks, EVs are obsolete. This boat anchor piece is a waste of metal, time and money. All EV companies will go bankrupt. Combustion will be around for another 75 to 100 years.
5:50 It's done on purpose so you have to unhook and don't have people blocking/impeding other people with their trailers sticking out while charging.
Great Silverado. The engineers are great. We need a market based electrical grid to give us the 8-10c retail electricity price to make EVs possible ( clean CNG, Solar, Nuclear, and Clean Coal ) , to massively eliminate pollution out of our environments. And we need Chevy and Ford to figure out how to make these trucks at a positive margin. I really want a Cadillac EV sedan in 2034, when I have to replace my CTS 3.6
Not a fan of the electric trucks...
I understand but man are they fun to drive.
A 9,000 pound battery powered truck.
To save the planet.
From global warming.
Got it.
The truck is impressive, but with only 1400 pounds of payload, I’ll pass and wait for the Ram Rev. my travel trailer has 1000 pound tongue weight, which would let me and one other passenger get in and we can’t load any additional cargo. I’ll pass. It’s the lowest payload of all of its competitors
Looking forward to seeing the review of the Silverado RST.
The problem with charging port locations has more to do with how charging stations were first being setup at parking spaces. Charging stations should be setup the same way gas pumps are setup.
They are set up in rows at most Ea locations in Ohio except huber heights oh
No they shouldn't. Until they battery tech gets to where you can be in and out in 5 minutes, you need to park and the current set up is the most space efficient may to handle charging that takes 20mins to hour+. They just need to add some pull-through options in big lots that have the room to do so.
@@curtisbme Sorry, that does not change what they should do and some are starting to be set up that way.
@@robwalker4548 Hey, if you have all the money to buy extra land and don't care about return, you put in all the pull through electric charging stations for the tiny minority of trucks that might be towing something that you want. But for those in the real world, pull through stations will be secondary options, not primary ones.
I live in Florida. Can this be in the garage and used to power my home if the power for the home goes out?
800 lbs less payload capacity than the lightning gives me pause. My trailer tongue weight would eat up all the payload capacity this thing has, leaving no capacity for humans, nor any cargo in the truck bed.
I wish you wouldn’t have interrupted every single start to his responses. I really wanted to hear what he was gonna say and each time you interrupted it never went back to the original conversation. I mean I love what you were saying too! But how often can we hear what an engineer from a mfgr can say.
Can’t wait for these electric trucks to be common. So sick of all the diesels spewing toxic coal smoke in my face walking around the city
Hyy sir
Personally, I'm tired of smelling the DEF fluid. The smell of mechanical diesel is so much better. It's going to take some serious battery energy density advances before EV HD trucks replace diesel HD trucks.
@@mtnman1984yeah that probably won’t happen for 20 years
@@Itsme-fn9mc the batteries will likely be developed faster than we think, but the timing of designing a new car around the new tech is the question.
You’ll be gone long before that happens. Thankfully. Stop whining.
Just make charging stations like gas pumps. Pull through addresses the towing or port configurations in different places. No reason to have a "standard" location for charge ports. Let's fix the charging stations.
Rural locations we don't have access to DCFC and we are towing distances with heavy weights for work purposes. So towing range is a big deal. Not sure that a massive battery like this is the best cost benefit vs adding a range extender of some sort. Will be interesting to see how this market matures because we need working trucks out here. The Rivian and Lightning currently don't do it. And I have my doubts about this unibody Silverado. Will be interesting to see how Ford responds to this. The Rev sounds like it is going this exact same direction as the Silverado.
Except for the price this new Chevrolet electric work truck sounds like the one to buy. Two nerds talking shop, what could be better?🤔😬
Chevrolet should have just put the charge port on the front right (solves the Supercharger and towing location issues).
@kyle Sure u have come across this model but thought of sharing as this tech looks interesting.. - ruclips.net/video/-1VAkXNTR1Y/видео.html
I'm just noticing that the vehicle is oddly symmetrical front to back; If not for the red tail lights I'd have to take a sec to know which way it's facing...
If you have a 500 pound tongue weight that limits you to a 5000 pound trailer.
Truck looks horrible. Overpriced. GM won’t be able to ramp
Will GM be offering a gooseneck hitch accessory?
Probably not for a half ton, maybe if they ever make an HD BEV or PHEV.
No...
FInd a scale?
That guy was great. Thanks for the video and real technical review Kyle!
Any word if this video series will include coverage of the Equinox? I’ve seen it in the background several times with no mention.
Why not putting scale/pressure sensors in the hitch? can't be that difficult can it?
16:17 during towing, aero is a huge factor over weight when ln level ground (~0% grade). It flips when going uphill
😊😊😊
Just like my ice truck!
@@gmv0553 Except it much easier to refuel our ICE trucks when towing. I would love a PHEV version, nothing crazy, maybe 60 km of EV range is more than enough around town range and enough ICE to tow 4000 kg in hybrid mode, a small flex fuel V-8 should be more than enough even in HD trim with a hybrid mountain mode. Big bonus would be no need for a crazy transmission versus an ICE truck.
It does not "flip". Aero has the same amount of range issue when going up, flat, and down hill at the same speed. Weight is the only thing that is a negative, neutral, or plus when going up, flat, or downhill respectively.
@@curtisbme you are right! I didn't word it properly. The aero is a function of overall speed and overall CdA but the weight on Uphill on quickly add up, and higher the grade %, m*g*sin∅ catches up quickly. I guess when normalized to 100%, we can see the distribution start changing every % of grade.
$77K and no standard bedliner?
So what’s the range while towing?
Aero drag is the towing key, not so much the weight. This test is invalid.
Don't like the pumped in noise they are doing when accelerating
Fake sound.....pass.
Good God, there is a Tractor tail gating you,,,. Yikes
440R is the model of bucket on the tractor. The 4075R is the model of tractor. :)
I want this extended range battery in a Colorado 😍
Cheers
This tires would have to be changed every 😒year
Does this channel have a secret setting that increases the screen brightness on a phone?
440R is the model number of the loader not tractor
If a 10 kWh battery for a home costs about $7k-$10k how the heck does this car sell for $78k when the battery has to be about 200 kWh?
1kWh at pack level costs about 120 to 150$, so 200kWh is 24-30k.
@@Scrap-press isn’t a power wall 10kwh? And isn’t that about $10,000?
@@mgarcia8878 Yes and yes. When i build my home made solar batteries i get the cells "B-Grade" for about 150 Euros /kWh. When i buy the complete pack including everything its about 1000 Euros/Dollars. Even buying a used VW or Tesla battery pack is just too expensive.
@@mgarcia8878 Your's lthe retail price. Those 120-150 is what is cost for car manufacturers at the pack level.
@@Scrap-press that’s a hell of markup. It won’t be long when people start looking at price per kilowatt.
Is that GM guy Elons brother?
Is it possible to connect a fifth wheel?
Who the hell tied that tractor down? Terrible.
I wonder if GM could retrofit a NACS port in the frunk area? I mean if they didnt want to chop up the front fender and put a complete charge port. You could just pop it in the frunk with a rubber plug or something.
I still think these truck and SUV EVs that can tow respectable payloads should have a NACS port in the rear of the truck next to the hitch. That way, future companies that make trailers and campers etc with battery skateboard platforms can have them plug into the rear of the vehicle to help add range.
The cost of this thing isn’t worth it.
Kyle is out of uniform!
we cant turn the sounds off? wtf
Maybe the solution to the quiet useless charging port location is to provide super expensive and heavy CCS or/and NACS extensions 😂
What I would like to see with respect to dual charge ports, is one CCS, one NACS, so I could charge anywhere with no adapter.
Dude knows his shit
Does it have a 5th wheel option? It weighs about the same as my F350 7.3L. A 5th wheel hitch would be awesome.
Right...are these half tons or 3/4 ton truck. These heavy ass things are gonna eat up the already crumbling infrastructure.
Sticker had no goose-neck option indicated.
@@zapfanzapfan understand. Its an omission.
@@kelargo Sticker also said tow weight of 8000, not 10 000 like was suggested with the hay bales.
Anyone else like the fact they have a color other than WHITE in their lineup? Everyone has seen the white cars/trucks, but Kyle…you got three vehicles with blue.
Kyle is the J1772 to load adapter GM specific. Will it work with a rivian or other?
I’m a farmer and most everyone who tows around here hauls at least twice as much weight as you are hauling. Lots of enclosed trailers full of hogs or cattle.
Great job, but still that price. Yikes.
Former Truck Driver here. Yes it’s half. 😆 ICE or EV.
5:07 post from Rivian in May 2021 ("Sizing Up The R1T") suggests it also has 10% tongue weight
Very exciting.
A truck should be a truck in use, it's cool if it's more but it has to be usable first.
Thought the tongue weight rating for R1t was 1470lbs
Kyle what I’ve heard on other channels is that this configuration is only available to fleet customers.
Of all things I enjoyed about this video, I sure do hate artificial engine noises.
That green tractor in the rear view- looks like it is drafting NASCAR style :)
I haven’t owned a Chevy in 15 years. It’s Tempting now. Wow.
Mileage seemed to drop faster than actual miles driven. Similar to when my gas truck at 65 miles ranges decides to drop twice as fast and before I know it it’s on low fuel.
Agreed when they go to tesla charger connector the should just move the ccs to the frunk area just in case they are not near a tesla charger and also they could use the ccs to have bidirectional
Commendably complimentary function/ performance spec/ demonstration-narration .
Hy Kyle,
How about NVU to monitor the charging to see how much the battery can really pull?
Great video!