Setting The Benchmark! Chevy Silverado EV 4WT vs The Rustic Ring Electric Vehicle Towing Challenge
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- Опубликовано: 27 май 2024
- Kyle and Alyssa run the Chevrolet Silverado EV 4WT, with the 24 module - roughly 215kWh usable battery pack, through our Rustic Ring extreme EV towing challenge. Enjoy!
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0:00 - Hello & Welcome
3:08 - Silverado EV 4WT Tour
9:03 - Testing Procedures
10:10 - Silverado Towing Specific Information
14:34 - Setting Up Software For The Test
19:38 - Heading Out On The Rustic Ring
25:45 - Rist Canyon Hill Climb
35:32 - Stove Prairie Meandering
39:35 - Poudre Canyon
45:08 - The 69 Hill Climb
54:32 - Long Downhill Back To Starting Elevation
1:00:36 - Heading Back Into Town
1:04:13 - Final Thoughts
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Gotta hand it all to Kyle. Totally dedicated to his channels and doing an excellent job.
i think what i love most about OOS videos is kyle being so serious and technical and Alyssa being like "look ponies"
Kyle has a good point this Silveraldo EV is setting the bench mark for a working pick up truck that towing is a requirement. Just goes to show that buying a bigger battery is the way to go for road tripping with a trailer. Great review.
You should call the area where you do the big regen testing "Regen Range" Both for the mountains and the fact you are adding range (hopefully)
Good point but many off us look at regen more for saving brakes, the power recovery is a bonus though miniscule.
I very much doubt that because on others EV or semi trailers of TESLA it could add up a lot of power back in the pickup. 😅@Dive-Bar-Casanova
Love these long format videos. So informative. The general populous is uninformed about EVs and these videos are great learning content.
Except someone not interested isn't going to sit through an hour video. He needs summary videos as well.
Amazing Intro Cinematography! I love your monologue intro as well, one take, crisp and compact. I was so impressed I shared it with folks outside the EV community! Keep up the great work!
There is a video of Kyle thing to say the name of a sponsor. Very funny since he usually nails everything!
The silence of the exterior shots is wonderful. Truly quiet power
Yes, Super Cruise does work while towing, it's the only L2 system that currently has support for use with a trailer although it disables auto lane change with a trailer
Greetings from Germany! The Silverado is an extremely impressive car. Beyond its capabilities, it also proves that the argument that you can't install a large battery because it's so expensive is no longer tenable.
Until GM can show they make a profit on it it doesn't really prove that argument.
@@boostav , I don't know what economic experiences you've had in your life so far. I know that if a big player offers significantly more in a certain segment, the others have to follow suit. Whether this is profitable or not. Good for the customers.
@@xxxxxx5417 GM quotes the replacement cost of the 24 module battery pack at 60-80k USD. They must be selling at a huge loss.
@@xxxxxx5417It's pointless to test this vehicle that will never sell in volume! GM is a joke. Anyone that understands this market knows this is just for show.
@@MH-Tesla , so far ionly two things are certain: The Silverado is clearly superior to the CyberTruck. And there are more Ultium vehicles on the road than CyberTrucks.
External video views --- big props for Jordan (?) taking time to do all the external video cuts. Really added to the video!
The Silverado seemed very well lit up headlights and taillights in the dark
Love the camera shots whilst climbing up the mountain
16:06 For those who are interested in a more upscale version, it's probably worth waiting for the GMC Sierra EV, which will have a much nicer interior features and materials even than the Silverado RST.
At what cost though? Considering the same platform escalade iq ev is what 132k to start? And goes to allegedly 180k+ 😀
@@4literv6 The top-spec Sierra EV shouldn't be more than the First Edition Silverado EV RST (around $106,000), and it's likely to be on par with or cheaper than the Cybertruck and R1T's pricing even with the Sierra having a larger battery.
It would be interesting to compare their work version to the commercial version
Must be under 80k
Minutely small sales if over 80k and GM knows it, 4WT is the sweet spot for range and EV truck adoption that's where the CT fell short for me
The fact that the gross vehicle weight rating is 9990 lb tells me the truck is perfectly capable of a larger payload. It is just the need to keep the numbers below 10k to not push it up a weight category that limits payload.
@futuristic_car_channel So many watching these do not understand gross vehicle weight rating. Chevy could probably call this a 2500 and let the number exceed 10k lb with no changes and get a higher payload. The Cybertruck, on the other hand, is obviously skirting the limits with the ratings Tesla gave. I would not trust the brakes of the Cybertruck towing 10-12k lb in the mountains.
@@TroySavary Silverado EV is already in the same class as the 2500. It's class 2b, GCWR between 8501 lbs-10k lbs. Same for Cybertruck.
I don't disagree on the brakes, Tesla brakes in general always seem to be on the weak side.
@@officialyasir GM allows the 2500 to go over 10k if you get the max tow package. I could see them doing the same with the Silverado EV.
My Model Y has very good Brembo brakes, tested IRL. Haven’t tested CT though.
@@TroySavarywell out of spec just used cyber truck to tow that much thru mountains with out a single issue. Didnt even use load balancing trailer
Incredible how far GM has come with EV technology in a short time. 👍
They put out the EV1 like 20 years ago. The Chevy Volt was an amazing car in the 2000-sies. GM has a lot of experience with EV's.
@DelPhonic1 true, but these work trucks are different in so many ways
Totally agree,what annoys me,is if tesla decided to make a pack this big the range would be around 750miles
@@mcunha81 Tesla doesn't do it because almost no one needs 750 miles on a single charge. Imagine carrying all that weight daily, only to use the battery pack's fully capacity once or twice a year.
So torn between 4WT AND 3WT
We don’t need people with trailers pulling in nose first. We need pull through chargers.
True, but those will take time, and manufacturers should design vehicles to work with existing infrastructure
Worth mentioning, the Rivian Adventure charger in Cheyenne outside Jax has 2 pull through chargers (and 4 standard stalls)
Great video, if the CT had regen problems without the trialor,then that's a big problem. I love this test,make a fun rally stage too,lol
IMO this points to a software issue. If there was any problem under no tow loads, towing would exacerbate that tremendously. So hopefully it's a quick fix.
The Cybertruck might have a bigger tow number according to Tesla, but as your test showed, it did not actually handle that weight well, with the brakes getting hot on descent because the regen could not keep speed under control.
Right and as Justin reported it had the same issue without a tow load.
@@rcpmac Leads me to conclude that Tesla didn't arrive at their towing and payload numbers by testing, but by looking at Rivian and Ford numbers, and saying "make them bigger".
Tesla needs a bigger battery to absorb more Regen.
@@TedKidd It wasn't near full when it failed to slow the truck through regen.
Nice review. I have reservation for the 2025 consumer and I’m hoping the prices and everything is reasonable. Here in Canada gas prices are a lot more than in the US and I’m looking for something to tow my 24ft camper RV around. About 7000 pounds loaded. I think GM has nailed it
Thanks for great test. I feel production quality has really improved. Credit to the editing team. Love how music is mixed in, how comments is overlayed ++
Great video, love seeing how these trucks perform under hard conditions. I hope maybe you will do the test for the dual motor Rivian as well as the quad , would be interesting to see the difference in thermal performance
With this much battery you are charging fewer times and unhooking is less of an annoyance.
Nicely done video. Congrats!
39:55 It actually helps it, keeping momentum is beneficial, especially on a high grade.
You guys should get the data from your chase vehicle as an empty rustic ring data point. It doesn’t need to be an in depth video all on its own but it would be nice to compare an empty cyber truck to a trailer/loaded cyber truck on the rustic ring or a model 3 or an empty model Y etc etc.
Loved the video, I enjoyed the varied camera shots blended with time lapse shots of the route. Having a chase car for exterior shots was cool as well. Kudos! I submit "Downhill Dyno" for that section of the test.
Picked up my 4wt today. Picked it based on your testing. Thanks!
Loved the exterior shots!
Great video, my new favorite series. More please!!
Great format to deliver excellent content on what the truck is capable of in real world tow use. Especially the off road section, where work trucks live at job sites. Thanks
We need an update video on the ETRON!! I just got a bolt EUV but plan on upgrading to a used 2019 ETRON sometime after your past video
This channel is definitely the go to channel for ev.
Will be interesting to see how that PHEV Ramcharger will do when you get your hands on one. A run at "empty" (20%) battery to see how the range extender does with minimum battery, and full battery to see how the friction brake transition handles from regen when it can't store energy anymore.
Hybrids are a copout. This is Chrysler's/Stellantis' killing the EV1 and instead going with a Volt moment.
@@Paul-cj1wbI disagree, for pickups I think range extender EVs are a great step if not a necessity to help EV proliferation until the technology and materials are able to meet the demand to allow for a pure EV marketplace.
@@ALMX5DP Yeah, that's exactly what GM said also, just before they went bankrupt, oil hit $160 a barrel and their EV1 decision hit the fan. Same CEO and everything. "95 percent of Americans today want a vehicle like the Chevrolet Volt." That's a direct quote. Oops. How did that go?
@@Paul-cj1wb many contributing factors to their bankruptcy and the EV1 was over a decade prior to that. Oil prices fluctuate and can influence things but that’s a separate factor in itself.
@@ALMX5DP The crushing of the EV1 and selling the technology to Chevron was less than 5 years prior to bankruptcy, not 10. They canceled it in late 2003 and crushed them in 2004. They went through bankruptcy in late 2008/early 2009.
Great video. Beautiful scenery and great music. Love the guitar
what a tank!! better weather would have had incredible results, the cold doesn't work in our favor to "cool down the battery"
Thank you so much for an excellent demonstration from a truly awesome team! I love how Alyssa managed to capture some beautiful horses when dogs weren't available 😊
“There goes the Fancy Fridge-erator” - 😂😂😂
I like these tow test videos because there is excitement throughout the video.
Great vid!
You should record the consumption of the unladen support vehicle too to compare with loaded tests
Those drive-by shots are 🔥
Finally a truck that puts the "EVs aren't for towing" argument to rest. Now to make them price & range comparable on the lower trims to ICE in the coming years
Love this truck. Excited to see the Consumer/Retail Silverado.
Oo a drone capturing external footage will be awesome in future tests! Very cool video, nicely done.
Proper work horse
Great video Kyle! I hope you do a ‘summary’ video with all that stats and comparisons when you’ve tested all the towing vehicles!
Just a heads up. You don't have to pull over to type if you have a passenger. Either swipe down from the top of the screen or click the bell with the red icon on the upper left and select "deactivate lockout". It only works if it detects a passenger and their seatbelt is buckled but it allows you to type while moving.
Generally larger battery = more amp and thermal capability. I am not surprised at all it soaked 100% of the regen.
Ty Kyle, nice video.
Great video, impressive towing experience with the Silverado EV. FYI, Supercruise is designed to be used while towing. However, Auto Lane change is disabled when towing.
Doing a good job in the Chevy Silverado
Im surprised Kyle hasnt applied for an Out of Spec fleet account yet.
My money is on Kyle selling the Cybertruck for a Silverado EV as soon as theyre available for the general public to buy.
I’m trying to wait and see the Sierra AT4, but the Rivian lease deals are sooo compelling.
Where’s the link to the interview with the engineers? I thought it was going to be in the comments. Video not come out yet?
I should add that I appreciate all the hard work you guys put into these videos. Just realized that my last comment sounded kind of rude. Was just hoping to watch that one next…thanks
Really like the EV Silverado. Awesome truck. Great video.
I like this Chevrolet Silverado EV design. It shows a slightly different shape vs an ICE Chevrolet or GM truck but tastefully done. It doesn't want just to show off like Tesla Cybertruck and doesn't want to be entirely discreet about being an EV like Ford F150 Lightning.
nice video guys!
Kyle what makes this truck different from the hummer towing ??? Same platform n drive traine battery ???
Yes, Super Cruise trailering is available.
Great video and good job to all those GM engineers for making an EV truck that can be used the way I like to use my gas powered truck.
Can you add a rating system to this test? It would be great to see how the trucks stack up at the end of the video, similar to TFL or Doug DeMuro. Otherwise, please keep up the great work, as these are fun and informative videos to watch.
I haven't heard of any comparisons between the EV truck headlights. Which has the best output, headlight location, etc. Kyle mentioned headlights @58:00
24:06 It likely treats map inputs the same as key inputs when driving (i.e., they are disabled). Voice commands should still work, but it might be difficult to communicate to the system exactly where you want it to add a waypoint. I've never tested actual coordinates, but it might accept those over voice command.
Another great highly informative video. The different strategies of the manufactures is what so little of the media gets into. EVs changed the game in vehicle performance testing, and the traditional 0-60 is of little worth if a vehicle cannot go around a corner. Max towing weight is similarly worthless as compared to towing dynamics, and would love to see industry benchmarks address this. OOS is doing the best job! How does the industry instrument it.
Are you also capturing the outside temp as at night I'm sure it is much more colder. This was probably even more stressful for the Siverado EV than your Cybertruck RR test.
EXCELLENT! this is such a good test. Please use a 250 6.7 powerstroke or a 2500 duramax for the combustion comparison.
YES! with no “regen” on an ICE 2500 it will be interesting what the mileage will be.
To answer the question about SuperCruise, yes you can use it when towing and it can even change lanes for you while ensuring trailer clearance. That’s something that will scare me to try for the first time! 😬
Awesome vids cool tunes too !!!
When are you getting your hands on Porsche Macan EV for a full review?
2 weeks roughly
@@KyleConner
That would be great, looking forward to it.
I was wondering whether Porsche has given you an indication when are they giving their Macan EVs to the journalists.
I bet someone called Kyle Conner will be among the first :)
Would love to do that on my Zero DSRX.
(In the summer, not too keen on the cold).
Love the nerdy details Kyle includes in these videos. If you want to shorten the length of time it takes to watch the video then watch in 2X speed like I do on all RUclips videos. Then you get all the details in 30 minutes. The Silverado is prooving to be a beast in the towing tests for an EV. Still hard to justify the cost and limitation when a high end diesel truck is just under $100k and basically cost the same or less to operate when towing away from at home (cheap charging).
Add the cost of DEF with diesel when towing and this Silveraldo EV trim level looks like a better bet.
Thank you for making this video about the trucks. These are a more EV-centric alternative to TFL trucks.
you should do a lap with a 2500/3500 HD with a Duramax. would be interested to see how it compares
We will!
@@KyleConnerseems like an unfair comparison since 4wt isn’t a HD truck
@@michaelpartridge3723we are going to baseline a bunch of different combustion trucks with different powertrains so we can see where EVs fall. EVs will get increasingly heavy duty as time goes on so we need to benchmark a bunch of different trucks
Cool I like it!
@@KyleConner Did you guys try the "Regen on Demand" paddle (covered on page 207 of the Silverado EV manual) during this run?
Man I gotta get used to this. I’ve got two tow challenges to watch today.
@futuristic_car_channelTFLs
@futuristic_car_channel Cybertruck.
Love the intro music. Of course the video is awesome too.
Beautiful camera work
At $0.48 a kilowatt hour going 200 miles VS a gas 1/2 ton getting 10 mpg at 3.25 a gallon. The EV truck is 33% more expensive. $100 VS $75 for the 200 miles.
Great video
I loved this video I'm a 3 time EV owner of gm and they just know what they are doing when it comes to EVs. I want that Silverado like a fat kid wants cake. I don't want the RST but something in the middle would be awesome.
I think if you have tow haul mode on, will set the parking brake automaically for you when you back up and turn on the hitch view camera
Does it have some kind of noisemaker to simulate engine sounds? There seemed to be a lot more noise when you put your foot down in this one. 26:29 for an example.
The brake lights in the bolt turn off when you're stopped if you're just using the OPD. Did they fix that along with decreasing the brake light turn on trigger?
.4mi/kWh is still like 14mpge right? That's better than some big trucks get when empty.
Will the new Silverado EV come with the NACS connector or will the inital models still have the old style charging plug?
ENORMOUS!
"I don't want the battery to get cold." Proceeds to talk to for 15 more minutes.
You did this same route with the Cybertruck but no weight distribution hitch. That makes a major difference, especially in stability and braking. Nice attempt though on doing a comparison
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The GM chassis engineer stated no weight distribution hitch was needed and in that tow video none was used. Why change?
Pretty epic and would love to see the CT get better thermals (but probably hard to do without a bigger battery). Having said that, curious to see how a dual motor Cybertruck does since it’ll probably be more common and horsepower wise more in line with the 4 WT.
Maybe you've mentioned in another video, but do you have the exact route listed somewhere of this test?
I have an idea where you're going and would love to take my Raptor up there for a nice drive to check it out.
He says it in the cyber truck version of this test
Awesome!
Bgm is excellent
Can you do this with the Hummer EV pickup 3X 381 range (24 module) with 22s. It has more power and torque, better home charging, leveling suspension.
"The Regen Roller coaster" or "Regen Ravine" I prefer roller coaster :) Or one more "Rocky Mountain Regenpalooza"
Looking forward to the Lightning
I mean, MPGe of 33.7 (gas) / 37.1 (diesel) while towing nearly 10k lbs is impressive. It might be a little too early in the game for such a monster battery though. 300+ kW infrastructure just isn't widespread yet.
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Hey Kyle, I'll loan you my 2012 Ram 3500 dually to drag the biggest EV you can find, over any mountain pass you choose. Great video, keep up the great work!
That'll probably be the EV Hummer suv
Great video! I hope that they can get the price down because based on what you're saying is this thing will price you out of wanting to use this as an alternative to ICE. Either that or the DC charging networks need to be more competitive with Gas and Diesel prices.
The cost to charge is an issue, and not just for trucks.
I had a Prius before my current EV, a Bolt EV. On a 2400 miles road trip.. I spent more money on charging than my prius would have cost in gas.
The savings is in charging at home, and less maintenance
For fleet trucks.. that the same.. WAY less cost in maintenance, and many fleets will be able to charge at their business locations.
As for the RST version.. yes it's expensive.. But a Nice GMC Denali , will cost you nearly $100K also. So it's not really that much more.
R1T towing next plz
I wonder if there would be a noticable difference between a dual and a quad motor version?
Gotta go into your archives and check out your *CyberTruck* run. 😊
That road reminds me of the canyons in Utah.
Does the Chevy have any sort of Vehicle-to-Home/V2G/Powershare feature?
i look forward to you going full euro style and towing these 4.5 tonnes behemoths with your e-golf
Would like a comparison of fuel costs for the subject truck against conventional ICE diesel and/gas truck using commercial electric rates.
I know that one of the large contractor portable toilet companies has ordered these they will be fitting them with their pump and tank what was interesting though I asked if they were going to install charges at their Yard and it seemed like they had not thought of that, how long would it take to charge them on level 2 at 40% because that's how they will charge them at the end of the day
On a Level 2 (6ish kw) you’ll be able to add about 100kwh overnight (15 hours) so about a 50% charge on the 4WT with its 215kwh pack. If they have a higher amperage Level 2 it will be more than adequate. Level 2 can go up to 18kw so will easily fill the battery overnight.
The 4WT has 80 amp capabilities standard for the built in A/C charger.