Electric Volvo Trucks & Construction Equipment! Full Tour Of EVs, Energy Storage, & Charging
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
- Kyle is at ACT Expo checking out Volvo's electric heavy duty semi truck and construction equipment offerings. Complete with HUGE on-site battery storage, construction equipment charging, and their take on the electrified semi on a combustion platform.
00:00 Hello & Welcome
01:28 Exploring VNR Electric
07:36 Volvo Trucks Electric Vehicle Strategy
26:45 Motor Design and Engineering
31:47 Inside the Cab
33:12 Volvo CE - Electric Construction Equipment
49:37 Final Thoughts
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This guy's pragmatic optimism is fantastic. He's very excited with plans for the future but focused on what's practical now as well.
Man I really wish they could have spent more than a day here. These videos have been great.
Ditto!
I am that engineer nerd that subscribes just for these videos!
Passed masters test for electricity day turned 5 years sober!!!👍& congrats good job
Wow! Loved every bit of this video. Thanks to the great Ray Gallant from Volvo for that amazing walkthrough of the Volvo PU130 unit 46:00! At Portable Electric we couldn't be more proud to be manufacturing these units in this collaboration aimed at revolutionizing the construction industry’s approach to off-grid electric equipment charging. 🔋
The Volvo heavy equipment presentation was very good. That guy was very knowledgeable
Fantastic knowledgeable representative from Volvo
I like the indepth reviews more then the fast walk thru past all the EV vehicles like the previous video.
Each video serves a purpose.
@tysonb1486: so far Kyle has uploaded 3 in depth,& 1 quick walk through (from this day in 2024 at this location) so far to his RUclips channels.
@@curtisCclarke I've seen them all
The Volvo guys really know their stuff and seem to be producing some amazing equipment
Something that always strikes me on road trips is on these long stretches of road, I'll often pass the same trucks multiple times. They do maybe 60, 65 at best while we're usually 75-85. Stop and charge, get back on the road, and we end up passing trucks we passed not long ago. BEV trucks won't have quite the same problem that BEV cars do, where consumers expect the rated range even at 80 MPH. I suspect BEV trucks also tend to offer generally more realistic range numbers since normal operating conditions for them would be highway at 60-65 with a full load, where passenger cars can be all over the place in terms of use.
If you drive at a speed of 74 MPH instead of 62 MPG, the energy consumption increases be 44%. Energy consumption increases by the square as the driving speed increases. Why? Because the air drag is greater at higher speed. This means that the motor has to produce more power and to use a greater amount of energy. For example a gallon of gasoline priced at 3.50$ for a car at 62 MPH is equal to a 5.04$ per gallons at 74 MPH. Therefore by driving at 62 MPH instead of 74 MPH you save 1.54$ per gallons, or for a 600 miles trip if you do 25 MPG at 62 MPH you will save 37$ or 740$ over a year for 12,000 miles at 62 MPH instead of 74 MPH. Limiting driving speed saves money.
37:20 This is one of the cooler electric applications I've seen in a while
It’s amazing that this kind of market volume hasn’t been covered before. I appreciate Volvo’s open technology approach as use case dictates. It reveals competency at the engineering level that will serve their users well. 50:29
That rep was amazing
Great interviews Kyle, really interesting, awesome job!
Thanks Kyle. As an EV owner, you continue to broaden my horizons. The fact that these companies are investing in the EV technology is encouraging.
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It's not a division. They've been separate companies for over 20 years. Similar to the Škoda brand, where Škoda Auto passenger cars are part of the VW group, but electric buses, trolleybuses, trams and trains are under the control of PPF.
This is a very encouraging development! Great video, thanks.
Btw, Volvo Cars has been a completely separate company from Volvo AB since 1999 when it was sold to Ford.
Yes but geely now owns a large stake in the trucks division and the two companies still align and collaborate on certain topics
@@OutofSpecReviews By reported data in March 2024 Volvo Trucks is 100% owned by Volvo Group and Geely has a 6.8% stake in Volvo Group with 15.3% of votes.
@@OutofSpecReviewsthe don’t collab. Only have some agreements about brand protection.
@@Qqqqqqqqqaaaaaaa "Connected Safety is the result of a one-of-a-kind collaboration between Volvo Cars and Volvo Trucks,..."
Dodge Aires shoutout! My first car was a white 1989. What a legendary and infamous piece of automotive history the K car is!
Kyle, honestly I really glow when I see a new video on my Subscription list; theyre fantastically put together!
Don't forget a big part of the business case for electric heavy goods vehicles is maintenance and operational costs. In Europe the business case is becoming quite solid, when considering the lifespan of the vehicle and the total operational costs of running a fleet. Fleets are already switching out their older trucks with electric trucks, especially in cases where they can manage their own fleet charging infrastructure.
Once the megawatt charging infrastructure is solved, it starts to become financially very interesting for longer journeys too, especially as in Europe there are mandatory rest periods for truck drivers anyway (45 minutes rest after 4.5 hours of driving, which can be done in one break of at least 45 minutes, or split into two breaks totalling a minimum of 45 minutes). You can see how this can easily be combined with a charging session at a truck stop once the infrastructure is there.
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this was interesting. very cool. thanks!
My dad worked in the private construction industry for about 10 years, then transitioned to federal government as an equipment operator, mostly with the National Park Service (Lassen, Glacier, Big Bend, etc.). Nowadays he's in a management position with the BLM, but he still has quite a passion for heavy equipment and likes to get on a machine whenever he has a chance. Given my exposure to heavy equipment and trucks growing up, I've always had quite an interest in them as well. Last year we went to ConExpo in Las Vegas together, and I was pretty amazed at the amount of electric equipment on display at the show, it seemed like just about everyone had at least something on display.
The fully electric Bobcat T7X and S7X were pretty fascinating. I asked one of the reps at the booth if they had plans to implement that on some of their smaller electric excavators as well, and according to them, the biggest issue for implementing them on an excavator is the weight of the actuators, which is of course quite important for the balance of the machine with a long reach. For equipment that don't have a long reach though, or that don't have booms or lift arms at all (such as loaders, bulldozers, graders, dump trucks, etc.), the entire hydraulic system could theoretically be completely eliminated.
I'm certainly pretty excited to see further developments for electrification in the heavy equipment sector, and I always like to keep an eye out on that part of the industry.
Wow never thought I’d be so excited to see electric heavy equipment! How cool is that!?!
Your reports are phantastic, thank you for taking us with you!
Volvo cars works closely with Chinese company Zhejiang Geely Holding Group Co., Ltd . Volvo trucks is completely sepeate.
Not 100%. Geely is the second-largest shareholder of Volvo Group even after selling off some shares in 2017..
@@Carl_in_AZthey have no influence.
Awesome video Kyle, love the work that Volvo is doing in construction machinery and trucking.
Quite a few construction sites here in Norway use electric equipment now. The local grid companies build up the infrastructure to supply them as needed.
Some road construction contracts even require partial electrification as they are measured on CO2 footprint. As future projects are being planned the grid operator can then prepare the area for the needed power.
This is how things can work, when everyone is invested in making a better world.
One option I was thinking is if you have that battery system you could get a big propane generator that feeds the battery. 1000 gallons of propane and a 500 KW generator would give you about 11,000 KW of power. Depending how much equipment you have running you could just have a propane truck show up a couple times per week to fill that tank. Sure there would still be a carbon footprint but it would be pretty small.
@@pin65371 Or, you could just have two battery packs, and use a BEV truck to tow each one to a charging site as needed while the other one stays on site.
Once the grid is mostly renewable, which will be in just a few years, this will be the preferred way.
Eventually, as the grid becomes 100% renewable, this kind of operation can be done with zero carbon emissions.
Your solution may be more practical and economical in the short term. But zero emissions should become the target as soon as possible.
Kyle you need to do some research, Volvo AB sold Volvo Auto to Ford many years ago, this Volvo has nothing to do with the cars except owning the name and iron mark.
Ford hasn't owned Volvo since something like 2010?
Can’t wait to see more EV trucks on the highways!
Awesome content, interviews with industry expert are great
Loving this heavy duty content Kyle! Right up my alley, keep it coming!
Super cool!
Can’t wait for the EX30 review - hopefully you get a twin motor!
As an engineer in this world there are reasons everyone cant do the way Tesla has. Tesla has basically unlimited funds to spend on development, plus they dont have existing platforms. This is a very expensive industry to develop for. Small volumes and very big components which means tooling is expensive and doesnt get spread out over 2 million units.
That being said, adapting an existing platform neans you get in sponer than an all new platform. Which means more electrification, faster, and at a lower cost. Then in the mean time spend the next 7 years developing an all new platform.
My company makes options for electrified axles and drop in central motors that basically replace the engine and go through driveshafts to traditional axles.
Love what Tesla is doing but not all companies can go straight to that.
Kyle, would love to see you talk to more suppliers beyond charger companies. I enjoy those, but love to see more
Mind blown best one ALL MONTH TYTYTY
Super cool guy down to earth from Volvo
Great content, thank you very much Guys 💙
This was really interesting, thanks.
14:10 123" BBC, god damn!
Kyle, the Penske Booth was missed. It is the largest provider of business rental and fleet trucks. Their step into the DV market will help usher the EV revolution.
Thanks!
Cool to see these! You can see factory where these are built right off I-81 about 20 minutes south of Blacksburg in Pulaski Virginia, my old stomping ground’s. Great mountain right nearby too.
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Thank you, Kyle, for this review. We all need/want to know what is going on in the EV world - motorcycles, cars, trucks, busses, anything EV.
EVs are perfect for mining and tunneling. Makes sense that mevco is expanding into aux vehicles. The motors look impressive but consider a diesel electric locomotive or a submarine. Hdt are very modular. I don't know that dedicated platforms will be an issue. Aero will change where the shell can be streamlined a bit on more flexible drivetrains.
Is anyone doing a hybrid similar to Edison using serial hybrid in long haul trucks?
Good Video
Saw a review on a UK channel of a midsize electric trackhoe a couple of years ago. Awesome. Was able to work all day on a charge, since it is not spending it pushing air out of the way like a car is. Of course charging on a worksite would be a thing.
As a fan of clean energy in general, this video is so awesome.
Yup, Volvo EV semis are the leader in this space.
Kyle, a short time solution for larger freight companies would be to make runs like the pony express did. A driver could drive the first truck to the first depot at the end of the trucks range and then swap trucks for a fully charged one, and continue to do so until the end of the run. Meanwhile the truck he left gets charged and swapped out to a new driver. What do you think?
I think Jordan talked about this on a podcast with Francie. Some companies are trying to set up a sort of rental service where you just swap the cabs at depots, so you don't wait for a charge. It'll be interesting to see if companies bite
A truck platform has many 3rd party options. By using same base platform you don't need to recertificate! All 3rd party options can also be used with zero adjustmend. The service also driving mostly the same.
you need to do a video with Edison motors on their heavy-duty trucks.
Hats off to Kyle not breaking to the bbc
Edison motors seems to be a better place to look for the vocational trucks. They are designing for a very long service life and low cost to maintain. I don't think anyone else is.
My diesel KW is almost 30 years old still going strong everyday with very minimal operating costs
The other option for charging would be propane. If they put a few thousand gallon tanks of propane at the job site along with a generator they could feed that into the battery pack. Obviously there would still be a carbon footprint but it would be lower than diesel. Depending how much equipment they have like once a week or a couple times per week a truck would just show up and fill the propane tanks. Looking at the spec sheet for a 500 KW generator it would output 11k KW for 1000 gallons.
This video was great. When they Volvo heavy equipment guy want to the 48V skid steers. I humorously thought the skid steer is like my 24V Drill and the large exivator is like my 80V lawnmower. Smiliarty of scale for the right applications.
Garbage trucks would be a great use case for going electric. They travel predetermined routes with known mileage with lots of stop and go which is ideal for EVs and would allow charging needs to be guided accordingly for route optimization. On the grand scheme of things the Tesla semi is a shot across the bow and wake up call for the trucking industry for others to step up their game.
Every time I get a lung full of diesel smoke, I think of the costs of city trucks running diesel is not taking into account the unattributed health costs estimate of 180,000 to 350,000 premature deaths per year and up to $840B in respiratory ailments.
I want a tesla semi! Can't wait
What is with Cummins and their purchase of Meritor, Inc. electric powertrain solutions for commercial vehicles, Sion Power hybrid battery funding, and Heliox chargers? They are also supplying their solar microgrid to mining based out of their new Power Integration Center (PIC) in Fridley Minnesota.
Typical Class 8 prime mover around $125,000 US Dollars new so this is a truly awesome capital expense at $500,000 US Dollars new and I agree unlike a Tesla Semi or presumably Nikola hydrogen powered semi "not all that new." The interior for that price is very substandard for example and doesn't appear to be offering much to the trucking Company for example lane keeping assist, blind spot monitoring, brake assist for safe following distance, etc so a huge leap forward from what currently still is but as far as justifying such a capital expense better off building an entire Distribution Center from the ground up as Amazon appears to be doing anyways. Can't really speak to commercial construction equipment as much if not all already hybrid drive systems already so trying to go pure play BEV in that market truly quite the challenge. Very insightful RUclips product as usual so great to see that.
He 100% is a Mr Tesla guy, its kinda of annoying but the content is still good.
Volvo trucks and Volvo cars are completely different companies. Volvo cars used to belong to Volvo trucks before it was sold to Ford, then later to Geely. Volvo cars is together with Polestar, Lotus, London Electric Vehicles, Proton, Lync & Co, Zeekr.
Volvo trucks is together with Mack trucks, Renault trucks, it is a huge international company originated in Sweden.
Would like some more coverage on hydrogen combustion tech. Having little to no battery weight in a large vehicle sounds like the cost of hydrogen could actually be justified.
Seems to me that until the battery and efficiency technology catches up enough to allow cabs to handle long haul that the trailers are going to have to incorporate battery packs that the tractor units can use. Maybe even allow battery packs to be swappable to allow for quick turnarounds If not hot swappable, then at least it's the trailer that's sitting idle when charging, rather than the more valuable tractor. (Although with the cost of the batteries, maybe not?)
electrified trailers make a lot of sense to me, you could fit 3-4kw of solar on the roof, and a 300kw battery thats always charging it could be sized for the route rather than the truck. exciting to watch the engineers go all in on electric!
That would also allow a refrigeration unit on the trailer to continue running before and after hookup to the tractor.
Where’s the Frunk? You could put a whole other pallet up there.
Edison motors 👍👍
I totally agree, and when will the government stop giving money to the big oil companies and fast food, companies, and everything else
24v ac compressor that sounds insane that can be right, the wire size and amperage draw on that theres no way.
Was wondering if Volvo trucks can pull technology/IPR from Volvo cars. But it appears like Volvo trucks is still Swedish-owned and not part of Geely. Still would be nice if the trucks could incorporate the Google- based MMI from the car side (if that’s what the drivers want). Anyhow, this video was very thought provoking!
I see some BEV Volvo trucks on the daily. Not sure about the range on them. But it wouldn't be enough for me, sadly.
Long range electric truck is not something viable. City use is outstanding. So use the type and fuel where it is used the best.
@@Xanthopteryx Very much agree. If you can keep daily route within the battery range. Then you're good.
@@Glasseh And combine a small battery with a small motor to help accelerating for the long distance trucks.
The biggest problem is weight. The more batteries you use, the less payload you can haul.
That is not something that earns money.
And also the problem with wait times on long range travel. There are driving time limits to go for and you will stop when you are end of time, and that might be anywhere. Most probably not where there is a charger.
And also remember that in USA the trucks are really low capacity trucks.
36 tonne maximum.
In Europe we have 40 tonne. But...
That is only to guarantee a transportability between ALL countries.
Most of them do have higher ratings though.
Sweden as an example:
We have a normal lower 44 tonne, that goes in cities and so on. Longer travel we use a lot of 64 tonne, and also more and more 74 tonne trucks. The 64 tonne also go into cities, but are more go in, deliver, go to next. And in some special areas in north, mining and forestry, we also have some 90 tonne trucks.
Scania actually have the most heavy pulling BEV trucks in the world: 74 tonne! At customers. Since i think 1 or 2 years back. In cold climate.
How can that be possible?
Because the truck route is pretty short. Maybe 30-40 kilometers one way.
So they plug in when they load and unload, and the trucks goes like 24/7.
The batteries work perfectly there.
So, yea. What works best for the type of driving? use that tech. No tech will fit all. That is the same as we have had with cars and trucks for decades. Petrol, diesel, ethanol, biogas, hydrogen, hybrid, battery, ...
Not one fits all the best.
@@Xanthopteryx Keeping the pollution out of congested areas seems like best use to me.
@@cbotten106 Definitely. If the transport is a local transport. But long haul transport that deliver in cities should of course be allowed even with diesel. It is a bad idea to have to reload to another truck just for that last part if the delivery could have been done with the original long haul truck.
Looks like mr.beast with glasses
just add a small generator Like Edison in Canada
15:33 " yeah this was the first prototype this is actually a gen two okay uh we have two phases the phase one
was uh came out in 2019 we started selling in 2020 and then we upgraded to the phase two so really the biggest
difference between the phase one and the phase two is the generation of the battery we went from a Gen 2 battery to a gen 3"
Meanwhile the marketing on the door and streamliner says "4th gen"
Maybe we have some creative Swedish math from Volvo.
I think 4 Gen Logistics is a company name. And no I'm not fun at parties.
3:11 State maximums supersede the federal weight limits. Look at Michigan you can haul 168,000 lb and they do it every single day.
Company I worked with had a fleet of trucks explicitly designed and spec'd to do this hauling steel.
Higher weight limits reduce traffic and fuel use as you don't need to make 2 trips with many states only have a 80,000lb limit
As a Swede rooting for Volvo Trucks all this ”parts bin engineering” for the EV Trucks are a bit worrying, really love the Tesla Semi approach, feels like there is no other way to make it profitable and competative with diesel
11:22 Battery swap stations every 200 miles with batteries as a service. That’s not hard to figure out.
16:04 “Went from gen 1 battery to gen 2 battery” - Wow. Volvo just not getting it. Swappable batteries means you don’t have to upgrade your tractor to get the next gen battery. Next time you pull into the swap station, you are on the new gen battery.
"Clean Diesel technology" 🤣
At least in some parts of Europe, you can actually use hydrotreated vegetable oil (HVO). Not sure, if that's a thing in trucking. As long you're not using palm oil for production of HVO but mainly local waste materials, this is certainly an option to reduce the use of fossil diesel short term.
Volvo is about as mainstream as we can get taking EV trucks out of niche. Volvo guy was super impressive as was Volvo investment into EV trucks knowing they’ll lose $ short term but long term they have to be with EVs very much unlike car OEMs where its thought they need to be profitable right away. They jumped on board too late with too high expectations forcing them to retreat to hybrids which I thought Volvo would be doing but no they going full BEV. Good for them.
I’m sure electric semis will be great, provided all you haul is potato chips! Try hauling a load of powdered laundry detergent with the same truck, and you’ll be charging for hours every 100 miles or so. 😏
I'm not against hydrogen or even diesel on long hauling trucks but I find it odd he doesn't think battery power will be enough even in the future. The Tesla Semi is already doing 400-500 miles. An 11 hour driving shift at 70mph is 770miles (Assuming no stops). Is it that far out of the question to get an extra 200-300 miles out of the battery pack or a bigger pack in the next 5-10 years?
Having worked at Volvo Gothenburg for years, I can say, I think it's lucky you have any trucks at all. Dont even talk about good strategy.
Great coverage but you really need to sit down and talk with someone knowledgeable in the commercial space. While Volvo is a major supplier in the global market, Daimler Truck AG has over 40% of the North America market. Volvo is less than 20%.
Teslas Semi Tech and design is light years ahead
If batteries are half the cost and the truck costs more than twice the cost of diesel there is something wrong with the math. We need competition in this space as the cost of building these trucks should not be much more than it's diesel counterpart. Assuming $100/kWh would mean $46,000 for the batteries. There is no reason these trucks are so expensive if you exclude the possibility that OEM's are taking into account the subsidies.
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I would like to see if I could work for you , I have been following all automotive companies for years like since motor trend was a magazine in the 1984.... so I was about 14 years old. In am really a GM fanguy.!!!!! I has been a family thing. Also I helped a family friend who was a truck driver, a did help him with r Dee mo ing and replace a new transmission in his truck. I would like a little thought about it if you need someone who is interested in a job from you. Thanks TOM
500miles are enough for a track driver , already Tesla semi is capable of that. Fuel cells will never be a big deal
I don't understand why the cabin is the same like diesel cabin and look no aerodynamic
Also the average owner operator can’t afford these expensive trucks they can barely afford a diesel truck not to mention expensive operating costs for emissions break downs
I think kyle knows more about battery than the guy he is talking to. I think he was planted by big oil to meet thr staus quo. No way these battiers dont last more than 8 years (lfp has 6000 cycles )
they probably plan to depreciate them over 8 years and dump them when the get there irrespective of the cycle to move to newer more efficient batteries
im not agiants evs . i just think the public is not ready to embrace them yet . but the progress on these evs . is encouraging. it must become affordable for the average person .to own it .
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12:12 “we don’t see it [batteries] handling long haul any time soon” - Wrongo. B-A-T-T-E-R-Y S-W-A-P-P-I-N-G. Trucks are the perfect form factor for battery swapping. Truck owners are the perfect customer for battery as a service. Short sighted, no vision.