New ABB 400kW All-In-One DC Fast Charger! A400 HPC Full Tour - Software, Cables, & Hardware
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
- Kyle visits the ABB booth at ACT Expo to see their new flagship DC Fast Charger, complete with new software, on-screen charging curves, thorough hardware updates, and more.
00:00 Hello & Welcome
01:27 Charger Overview
07:11 Software & UI/UX
17:18 Hardware, Connectors, Cables
25:29 Inside the A400 HPC
34:15 Final Thoughts
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Kyle, keep educating us. This was outstanding. I also credit ABB for giving you the staff time. They were all fantastic. I cant wait to see these in the wild.
That passive cooling in the handle is a heat pipe, similar to processor coolers.
Or likely a vapor chamber.
The CTEP compliance and UI is pretty impressive. Making it web based rather than app based is a huge improvement for the consumer.
ctep compliance (or regs) seem annoying. I just want to charge, so many screens.
@@KevinLauscher Most of it is related to weights and measures, which is a good thing. Requiring it to be on a screen on the charger creates some limitations.
Agreed. It is annoying to need to have a dozen or so apps to charge. The average user won't want to do this
@@atehrani Part of the requirements in California are that the chargers also include credit card readers as well as the option to call the provider to submit payment. In theory, apps, memberships, and special access for specific makes and models should be completely unnecessary.
Holy cow, cool video! All of these people really knew their stuff, especially that older guy at the end. He was freaking awesome!😁
Great to see manufacturers focus on reliability, efficiency and performance
The pin cooling is literally a PC heatsink using heat pipes, kinda smart lol
Definitely sounds like that. But even the patent law accepts that using an existing technology in different context is an „Invention“ and patentable ‒ so they are rightly proud for discovering the opportunity.
Next time you will need to bring your own fan to charge the car a max speed. 👨🔧
@@e-redj I wonder when cars that want to charge fast will get equipped with (water / air / passive / whatever) cooling on the connector from the other side.
Awesome tech, ABB is not sitting on their laurels, great video Kyle! Look forward to seeing these come to Canada, what about it Electrified Canada, call ABB and get these installed!
The specs sound quite familiar 🤷♂️😉
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You've got a knack for this, loving your content!
But does it get started setting up the car communications, isolation check and charge session startup while it's waiting for the payment to go through? Most chargers are pretty slow & dumb in this respect, adding at least 20-30 seconds to the time you need to hang around to make sure charging has started because it doesn't start as oon as it could. Maybe you should do a league table of time between plug-in and actually confirming charging between brands.
Takes 7 seconds for a Tesla SC to start charging. I have autocharge with EVgo and it takes about 45 seconds for it to start charging. I'm really hanging on suspenders with EVgo, hoping it will start.
Most of that time is actually closing the high-power contactors for grid connection. The communications, isolation check, etc. is about the same regardless of CPO.
Most of the time is for cable check so Isolation testing then comes precharge with our system at Kreisel Electric it takes around 15 seconds for Cable Check and around 1 second for precharge
Insane UX improvement.
Great job Kyle and ABB! Thanks for highlighting this.
MUST. PROTECT. CABLES.
I saw the thumbnail after coming from a thieves targeting chargers video and thought, hey now thats thinking right there, they get two for the work of one. genious
What do you mean protect cables? Suggest solutions instead of making generic statement. It would help more.
@@explorer9070 MUST. PROTECT. CABLES.
Simple. Have cables retract inside of charger unit until credit card/app authorization unlocks them. Too many meth head copper thieves preying on these things.
Awesome video, I liked the presentations. The older gentleman is a genius.
Impressed with Johann’s knowledge and experience, but a little older engineer, I’d like to buy him a beer and hear his viewpoint on EV charging.
awesome video! can’t wait to try them
It looks amazing, but until I see what that screen looks like after a few years out in the heat, sun, and sand of the Arizona desert, I will hold my admiration.
I love how all the description of the UI is just how basic things should work and how current charges are first gen gopro UIs.
Great Content and props to ABB for stepping up the industry. Single module setups like this are critical for continued expansion
That QR code website is EPIC! Love all of the holistic visual functions! Glad to see more innovation in this space to better integrate the tech etc
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Love the size of the screens!
Great video! I love that they are using push buttons for user input, I can't tell you how many touch screens are broken on ChargePoint units and you're stuck using the app...
Alpitronic is, outside Tesla, the brand to beat. they are essentially the backbone of the reliable public charging network in europe
Never had any issue with ABB chargers myself. Also Delta chargers have been doing just fine. Tritium on the other hand have been troublesome.
Great video! Did he know that are that crazy guy wrapping the NACS connector? 🤣
I just wish the cables were retracted into charger body until unlocked with App or credit card. Too much vandalism and copper theft lately and we are seeing more chargers knocked offline for weeks and months with damaged/missing cables.
Exactly. The entire cable assembly should be protected until somebody inserts a credit card.
Once chargers are installed near actual stations manned by people, this won’t be so necessary.
Love seeing all of this development. Makes me very happy. However I would love to see the charging stations being accommodating like current gas stations (easy restrooms, window cleaners, snacks and drinks). Plus maybe a lounge at the station too. I know its cost, but it seems to be the future of the stations on our freeways.
LOVE hos they thoroughly test everything.
The interface looks great but I’d love to see what that screen looks like with bright direct sunshine on it. No one seems to design for bad weather or years of UV exposure.
Uv coating, replacement?
Hear, hear. Bravo
Thanks for sharing, here something new capable of great things.
By the way this is a real 400kW per outlet!
Not really, 600a max means it’s still not 400kW for 400v class cars.
Direct competitor to the HYC400. Can’t wait to see what Alpitronic is doing next. The big display is kind of useless. Integrated light and surveillance camera would be neat. There are more and more complaints in Germany about chargers in the dark in the middle of nowhere.
> The big display is kind of useless.
How so?
@@leah.internet Why do you need a massive screen to display some lines of text and a big area with dots for the SoC?
Hyperchargers have a 3rd of the screen size and its plenty.
@@Gazer75 My mum and dad both really struggle with what I would call H U G E text. I'm the opposite... at least they've got plenty of real estate to play around with different UIs in the future. Fingers crossed these screens stand up in direct sunlight.
@@leah.internet Charging for me: I take the CCS connector, plug it into the car, scan the barcode with the app and that's it. What do i do with the display? With plug and charge even the barcode step can be removed.
Display are just an expensive and unreliable piece of hardware. Most AC chargers here do not have a display and i have never missed it.
And 90% of the time, they face the the sun in its brightest glory making reading them near impossible
Looks nice. The inside box is well thought out. I'm not sure about all the lights and UI. The industry has moved on. I just plug my rivian in at Ran or tesla and walk away. No lights, screens, buttons, separate apps or payment terminal needed. Everything shows on the vehicle display and i get a reliabilty rating of the station miles before i decide to dare stop at EA's new abb unit. A credit card terminal is an ok alternative to plug n charge but I'm sick and tired of needing another app or being charged in $10 blocks and getting $6 of power.
like everything outside of the 50kw granularity of power splitting
The closed loop liquid-vapor cooling system sounds a lot like how CPUs in laptops/etc are often cooled.
It is a “normal” heat pipe.
Thanks for the video. Did I miss it or did you not show the swivel in action?
The screen is gorgeous, but in the US, vandalism might be an issue.
Polycarbonate cover will go a long way in preventing damage. Polycarbonate can’t be broken with a rock or hammer. Paint and scratches are easily removed. Keeping these locations public like at a 24 hour minimart gas station will keep them safe
Australia joins the chat.
Same as Canada. I see stop signs or even bus stop polls ripped out of the ground. I even see other stuff to
That screen is a punching bag unfortunately.. even in Australia the much smaller screens on Tritium 350s have been broken regularly.
Particularly for these battery backed chargers which are more likely to be installed in low usage areas on small grid feed.
I charged on one these just last week in Roswell, New Mexico. (Its max output was limited to 100 kilowatts.) The Allsups on 2nd Street has partnered with Francis Electric to provide EV charging in Roswell. I pulled in with only 3 miles in my battery, and was back at 80 percent in just under 30 minutes. I don’t think it was doing over the stated limit or it never throttled down to achieve that delivery time. I think the Artesia Allsups has an older version of this same machine.
ABB robots are legit 😊
Would be interested to see if any of the new generation chargers take the route of allowing 1-2 kW charging while waiting for payment authorization for up to like 5 minutes. That way the handshakes and safety tests are all done by the time you have paid and high power charging can start immediately. I know you've seen this in Europe it sounds like a win win situation if charging equipment vendors started doing this with these AIO units!
With 400kw output, these could be installed with an MSC and an NACS or CCS1 connector along highways to allow more charging for larger electric vehicles. With an NACS or CCS1 connector it would be used more until more larger evs are out instead of just setting and not being used. All these units should have enough room for towing & larger vehicles.
I see both ABB Terra 360 and 300kW Hyperchargers here in Norway that are intended for trucks.
Thanks for sharing this! Does anyone have any insight as to why ABB does two stage power conversion? (ACDC and then DCDC).. I would have thought it’d be more efficient to just have the ACDC target your desired output voltage in one go… not sure what benefit the additional step brings here?
Nice Info... ;-D
That chart looks like it was made in 1995. And it should include a line indicating what the car is requesting.
We need one that is over 700 kW.
In Europe we already have great chargers.
The mike is good.
ABB = Always be broken :D interesseting to see how it will perform on the market. In europe only Ionity seems to be ABB - Customer.
Great video. I'm just curious about how rock-proof that big screen is.
ikr...? definitely cool looking but to vandalous kids and their dumb friends all that real estate is "like a Moth to a Flame..."
The station itself can view the car’s ID and, during the first connection session, link the car to an account, after which the user adds a payment card to the account and never returns to this issue; authorization occurs at any station using the car’s ID.
Without these choices on the screen, without wasting time.
EA needs to replace all their units with these like ASAP. I’m loving this new system and experience. I’m hoping the hardware reliability matches.
Take Alpitronic, mutch better than ABB :)
EA doesn’t use all in one units, and I don’t know if ABB also build some of their “new” units, but if they do I expect that those power elements will land sooner or later in the EA cabinets.
Why do they need a UI? Why not just a credit card reader and a small display showing the total cost.
This, it should be a simple as a gas pump, with two numbers price and kwh dispensed
Talking about payment success... Now so many gas stations are putting in chargers I would Love to see local pay authorization just like a gas pump. If the card reader or app isn't working you can always go inside and pay and last resort give the guy cash and ask for $20 on charger #3. The pin cooling system sounds just like how CPU and video card coolers work with sealed heat pipes that naturally circulate a liquid as the temperature rises.
Looks like an Alpitronic hyc400 with a bigger screen. Fingers crossed that is is as reliable as the original...
21:08 He's describing heatpipes in an unnecessarily convoluted way. It's interesting that you can get pattented "we used heatpipes to cool this thing".
It's also interesting from an engineering POV - those heatpipes are most likely connected to metal plates to achieve larger surface area. But those plates (and heatpipes themselves) will get covered with dust and other dirt that significantly degrade heat transfer. So how can it be without maintenance?
In our area tweakers are cutting and stealing cables for the copper. Charger manufacturers are going to have to make the cables retractable that deploy only with an app or RFID. Entire charging stations are down for weeks and I expect once repaired they will be cut again. No cables = zero reliability= zero revenue.
23:20 LOL only a crazy person would do that
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The separation between the controllers is good, but if the HMI controller goes down, doesn't' the credit card reader also go down. This would be OK if the Plug-to-Charge is activated, but otherwise a problem.
Well, they heard customers didn't like the old screens.
How many years before these units are rolled out into the field? And how many years before they are rolled out in significant numbers ALL across the country, not just in Florida and California? Yes they are needed there, but there is a HUGE need between those two points that is full of dead and borked ABB units
I guess I care less about all the bells, whistles, and ultra fast speeds. What I want is a reliable network with enough chargers per stations and high enough station density across the US.
Great, but seems a bit overcomplicated compared to using a Tesla Supercharger.
Nice chargers, but I lament CCS winning the supercharger wars. These will cost more and be less reliable due to screens, longer cables, etc.
Can’t wait to charge on one of these but I doubt I’ll ever see one in California they aren’t really adding new chargers on highways which is why non Tesla cars suck to road trip. All these big chargers look like a pile of money compared to site level load managed Tesla chargers.
Thats literally a alpitronic copy with a bigger screen 😂
At 20:53 isn't Johan just describing a vapor chamber?
Yep, common in graphics cards these days. And the heat-pipes are also used for both GPU and CPU coolers.
@@Gazer75 I wonder if they patented the shape or how it connects or something. Otherwise, I'm curious to see how they've made it non-obvious. Though if nobody else has done it maybe it already was.
Sounds like he put a laptop heat pipe in the cable pins
Kyle this passive liquid/air cooled CCS handle will NEVER come to NACS. Just look at it, NACS is so small that the cooling vents would have to be at the handle grip which is a safety issue. This shows the fundamental inferiority of NACS, and why it's insane that people want to switch - a smaller handle will always be more limited in design options than a larger.
Those small holes in the casing of the handle are the weak point of the system. Clogged up with dust and grime compacted by moisture and handling might tempt some of the users to clean them - pushing this mixture inside the cavity.
All I see is cables scraping on the ground. Even with cable management.
Can Teslas liquid cooled cables leak and get on you and what kind of liquid is in the cable, is it harmful?
Glycol? Wouldn’t drink it, pretty harmless tho.
This will compete nicely with what Flo is doing. We've seen previously the Signet V2 units which are also 400kW (but not all-in-one) and their facility in Plano, Texas. Did anybody catch where these ABB A400HPC units will be built?
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So is this 400'ish or 800'ish volt compatible? Did I miss that?
The CCS limit is 500A. That's 200kW max for 400V vehicles and 400kW for 800V ones. The charger can probably deliver up to 1000V.
As a asset manager I see challenges with reliability and higher maintenance costs with those screens.
A screen shouldn’t require any maintenance.
@@rcpmac Have you ever been to an EV charger?... Even the smaller screens at EVgo or EA tend to get busted up, or scratched. This is all compounded by the fact that EV chargers are rarely under a canopy and are much more subjected to the elements than a typical gas pump. I would be very curious about long-term reliably because that screen seems like a very big liability, especially since the screen is so tied into payment and authorization.
@@pseudonymous1382 Must be special weather in the US. Though most chargers here in Norway are inside a small shed. They still get hit with wind+rain or snow and varying temperatures.
Screens getting scratched is a vandalism and culture problem tbh.
21:09 - ref: 2 phase Dielectric Fluid like you may have seen being used to cool whole Servers or a Bit Coin Miner in a Fish Tank. well known as "Clean Agent" for Fire Suppression in Motorsports/Racing (think Porsche 911 Cup Cars) the fluid for this used to be Novec 1230 (and may still be) but ABB's likely found a reasonable substitute since 1230 is apparently a PFAS or "Forever Chemical"... and while i believe it's currently still available, the last i heard 3M is unfortunately scheduled to stop producing this "wonder fluid" in the year 2025...
see kids "this is why we can't have nice things" as this follows the Universal Law of NO FREE LUNCH that we originally saw with the banning of Halon 1301 back in 1994 as a Fire Suppressant because of it's sever Ozone Depleting Potential, and then the banning of FM200 as a Fire Suppressant back in 2022 since THAT was identified as being a Global Warming Agent. again, every time Mankind thinks the've made a "gain" in some way, shape, or form...? it turns out something is also being TAKEN AWAY.
also ref: the Montreal Protocol of 1987. also ref: the banning the manufacturing of any new AC systems that use Ozone Depleting Refrigerants like R-12 and R-22.
Asbestos
The nice big screen looks very nice and impressive, but will it stand up to be cooking in the sun all day long? Most charging sites are not shaded, so whatever charging stalls are sitting outside exposed to the elements and in the sun -- having such a large screen seem more like a liability than an asset. It don't help how great the charging hardware is, if an important part of the screen is burned out or not visible. Seem like they have not thought that through too much...
Further more, the QR code scheme still rely on network access -- suppose the cellular network signals are weak or unreliable -- again, it won't help if they have all these neat features that requires network access, if network is down or otherwise not available.
Seem like ABB is targeting urban environments/use cases...
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Every charging cable manufacturer that I know has the dc contacts and the frame as individually replaceable parts so that’s definitely nothing new. Also I don’t know which competitors he’s talking about that require 4 wire AC connection. Every charger that I know can work with only the 3 phases and no neutral.
Now if we could only get cars that could charge at 400kW for nore than a minute 🤣
When you are showing all of these cool charging designs. I can only think maybe it was a good thing for Tesla to get rid of some people at their charging division. It doesn’t seem like Tesla was very inventive compared to these other vendors.
If you think an LCD screen the size of small TV exposed to the elements and drugheads is innovative, then good luck, let us plebes use the 350kW if Tesla SC that just works, no questions asked.
I just hope IONNA has already purchased dozens of these to spread out across the country.
But will EA ever use them lol
You can't tell bolt owners anything.
Oof... that thing would take up half my garage... 🙂
Meanwhile here in Las Vegas we have a max of 24kw charging. And good luck finding that one otherwise you’re at 6.8kw. Again these fantasy land charging stations do not exist in 99% of this country.
got to start from somewhere, I remember getting diesel decades ago was a challenge
It's a gamble !
Why do we have to fumble with payment at all? Man, Tesla is light years ahead…unfortunately. Why can’t they provide a membership and make the account automated?
In europe i would saymoat countrys it requires open pay options. When the staat offers autobahn locations the payment must be open no app or EV membership requirements. Like when you get petrol you don't need a app.
WHY oh WHY do you need anything to charge? The car is digitally talking to the charger already! If you have a car linked to an account, it should be PLUG AND CHARGE.....like Tesla.
I shouldn't need an account to charge it should accept the same payment I use to buy a hamburger
15:55 This customized UI concept is a bad idea. Think about your regular gasoline pump. Forever they were super simple, you hit one of three buttons and you were dispensing fuel. When they went to the fully LED display it got much more confusing, there's flashing lights and branding and other nonsense.
When you're at a gas station you know what station you're at. Due to The branding, static graphics and the color scheme. I don't need the name of the chain flashing in front of me.
ABB=Always Be Broken😂
Always think Always Be Broken when I hear or read ABB 🤣
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Which charging companies are better do you think?
@@Nunya-lz9ey It's a Bjørn Nyland quote, that he made as a joke at one point 🙂
I was at an ABB office in NC, and every charger was dead - at their own CAMPUS!
Wow, those are short cables. That's just stupid for commercial charging because it limits where and how you can install these chargers. Tesla superchargers has short cables also, but they are positioned for Teslas, which causes problems when non-Tesla EVs charge at the Tesla superchargers. Right now, I doubt that most vehicle batteries can support 400 KW. It will probably require new solid-state batteries to go higher than 250 KW charging speeds without degrading the batteries.
These chargers will also require 24-hour supervision because people will deface the screens with graffiti, just like they do with gas pumps. It's great that they are big and beautiful, but they clearly are not practical. That's a shame because this company has put a lot of work into these superchargers.
There's already LFP batteries that take 550Kw from Catl called 4c batteries. LFP is known for better cycle life .
42 euros for a single fast charge? Then a full battery replacement down a few years or after a small accident? Where's the savings? I hope that wasn't a realistic charging price.
most evs have a 10 year warranty and newer evs have much better thermal management than the early evs. Most EVs charge at home for the majority of miles and fast chargers only used for traveling. If the frame is bent to the point it damages the battery it is no longer a "small" accident
Way too big, it's a monstrosity
It’s an all in one unit, makes sense for a lot of customers
Actually it's just big enough to take the three phase AC input and output DC charging current in one cabinet.
@@hwirtwirt4500 Well EVGo is tall and slender, and can do 350kW. I'm good with that. Curious to see how fast I can get my truck to charger on Tesla's Supercharger once Rivian (allegedly will) sends me my free CCCS to Nacs adapter. I think ABB should go for a smaller look.
Or magic dock thingy, I really haven't had to check out the Tesla superchargers although I drive by them all the time
@@dhp9691The EVGo would have to have a remote power supply like the Tesla Charging stations.
Why CCS everything is switching to NACS
In the US! Europe and South America have CCS 2 as standard.
Because "NACS" is just repackaged CCS.
NACS is not compatible with most of the planet, because everyone has three phase power available at home, except Americans. That's why most places use CCS2.
First of all, hundreds of thousands CCS cars already on the roads in the US and will stay in use at least the end of the decade, Second, here in Europe nobody uses Tesla Connector not even Tesla, everything is CCS
NACS pins are only good for 400A, CCS is 600A so faster charging capability.
Ok good now make a dual 1600 kw charger for or a 3200kw charger and we can finally move on with actual cars .
this thing too small. it needs to 100000x bigger
What is this, a DCFC for Chevy Bolts!
It needs to be at least…3 times bigger!
Is that what she said?
when i can charge with 1000 kW i will buy a EV
have to buy a commercial truck than
The much anticipated 10min fast charging network is impossible. Why? Because 6 chargers use enough energy to power 300k homes. How many coal power plants will you need?
You can load balance with a battery bank, it charges the bank during off hours and discharges during peak usage
@@JD-yx7be it’s not enough. The whole thing is a fantasy devoid of reality.
@@nordlandak6853 i live near a coal plant and support the coal industry and workers. I would be glad if they expanded them like they do in china
@@nordlandak6853 Increasing supply of electric will also decrease the per kwh cost of electric and support many more jobs. The politicians that say no to every power plant know that scarcity increases cost which makes their lobbyist happy but will spin it as "protecting the environment"
@@JD-yx7be the problem is the push for clean energy crowd doesn’t care about cost. They think they’re saving the planet.
This showed up in my “recommended” video list. Pretty underwhelming. I unsubscribed to Out Of Spec Reviews 6 months ago. Nothing relevant going on. On the other hand, I watched The Electric Viking every day. Maybe you should watch his videos to get some more interesting ideas. He has a much more interesting overview of the EV world instead of a granular, EV nerd level view. Your videos were interesting when EV’s first came out, but the EV world has evolved and moved beyond basic charger nuts and bolts.
I watch both - Some of Electric vikings things are wishful - ie, might happen at some point or some time in the future. oocastioanlly he is not fully researched and or biased. Out of spec I watch at 1.5 to 2x speeds so it doesn't drive me insane. I like the nerdy details. I also like vikings overall broader scope. I also watch everything electric show. they are a little too optomistic about every ev being amazing so I watch Munro though he has become sligthly tesla biased now but still creates great content: )
Matters not.
They will never be as reliable as a gas pump that uses a human and ONE bank transaction, instead of the many more steps and parts, communication, protocols, Internet, servers to get juice out of that device.
Thieves are not stealing gas hoses either!
How do they plan to “solve” that problem?
Substitute copper for something else?
What else? 🤫
Do you even know how many components are required for a gas station?
Pumps can fail, valves can malfunction... As a matter of fact: mechanical parts (aka moving parts) are more likely to fail than electronics.
Also, humans are not really reliable. Especially since in many countries, there is a shortage of truck drivers, which frequently results in delays in fuel deliveries. In the worst case, this can even force gas stations to temporarily shut down. Happened in the UK in 2021.
That being said, I've also never heard of anyone stealing charging cables. That's likely an issue only in 3rd world countries.
@@lukasweishaupt2708 i agree with the first part. The stealing cable is in every city in america which is basically a third world country
The process has been dumbed down to the point where even you can figure it out.
Trump would not approve