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The Small EV DC Charger That Could Work For You! Autel DC Compact 3 Month Review
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
- Kyle has been using his Autel DC Compact 40kW Electric Car Charger for roughly 3 months now. Here's how it's going
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We need chargers like this at restaurants, malls, theaters, and other destinations where you're likely to spend 45 minutes to 3 hours. I would occasionally use something like this while on a road trip if located at a Texas Roadhouse (or similar) while having a real sit-down meal and get ~50-80% charge.
Just use charger in your car.
To be honest as a ev driver here, this lower power charger is more beneficial than higher power chargers in a suburban, inner city charging away from interstates. Faster than lvl 2 charging but not to fast to keep you from relaxing as you shop in your center.
Recently came across an 80 amp L2 charger. My EV appears to be incompatible, but on paper: That can charge at nearly 20kW (or 16.6kW at 208V). Only a handful of Tesla vehicles will charge at 80A though.
The work-around that may work with my car is to default to 70A charging (some cars don't recognize the 80A offer).
James the problem with L2 80amp is most EVs can't charge that high on AC power. Cars and trucks have a built in AC charger, so you are limited by what the manufacturer installed. DC charging goes threw the on-site cabinet not the built in charger on your car or truck. Thats why the car chargers faster on a DC charger.@@jamesphillips2285
Agreed 100%. And if it possibly means MORE charging stalls at charging locations, I'm all for it. EA stations in my area, for example are always full because there's only like 4 stations at each location and one or two out of four are always broken.
We have a 45kW faster-charger at work, and I love it. I can plug in at like 10%, go work for an hour, then unplug, making the charger available for the next user. Much nicer than having to stay plugged in all day to get the same charge at the lvl 2 chargers in the other lot.
@@jamesphillips2285My Porsche can use the 80 amp chargers too. I’ve used them at Porsche destination charging. If you have a car/panel that will do it the Grizzl-E 80A is a pretty inexpensive way to do it.
When there is a Single Phase version I am all in. Also a DC-DC unit would be cool for solar systems.
Rental car companies are going to need one or more of these at each site. If an EV comes back in the morning with less than a full charge, and is due to go back out in just a few hours, charging it up on one of these semi-fast chargers would be just what they needed
I’m looking at it for this exact reason
You said it spot on... where I charge in Tukwila/Target (5 dispensers), most of the time there are several EV's from car hire, near the airport, that block, over-fill the queue. They totally use a few of these wonderful machines.
TOC at 15k and a public charge fee at ~$30 then thats 500 charges. That's less than 2 years charging one car a day.
No hoodie?! Took me a second to realize I was on the right channel!
Have you thought about taking over the abandoned Blink charging site west of the Target in Loveland? Seems like the power and maybe some of the infrastructure is already there. Install some of those units you have and Out of Spec Charging is born.
The charging business is a total waste of money. No chance to make any money. Imagine a new installation that costs $50 000, after cost of capital, salaries, operations and maintenance, how many kW do you need to sell to break even?
@@Harrythehun Yes agree! People gripe about the cost of charging at charging stations. These charging stations cost $50,000 to $250,000 each, plus they keep getting vandalized and need additional repair costs.
@@Harrythehunif the cables get cut just once, the CPO loses about a year of profits.
If you’re on RUclips and get paid for making YT videos about it and sponsors send you equipment, it’s worth it. If buying a depreciating car can add value to the channel I believe a charging location would be a net positive for the channel.
@@anthonyc8499Insurance is a thing for this exact reason, just FYI. Allows a business to plan damage costs.
This could be super cool at a dealership, top off customer’s cars in service, any electric mobile service fleet vehicles… etc
Dealers can afford any other commercially available DC charger too :P
Most dealers only have 1 or 2 Level 2 chargers. I doubt that many would pay $16K + install for a charger when they are not willing to pay $2-3K for an installed Level 2. Maybe in a few years when EVs are more mainstream.
@@bbgator1 dealers are currently subsidizing by their manufacturer to install DCFC (here in the US). I definitely do not see them spending ~$20K on this Autel unit, at least not yet.
@@bbgator1Almost every dealership here has a DC fast charger. I was under the impression that it was a requirement (at least for GM) to allow them to sell EVs.
@@warpedgeoid that might be a GM thing, because if they’re shipping a dealer a Silverado with near 200 kWh battery bag, they need to be able to charge that faster than the level two charger.
Can’t wait until these are installed everywhere, these would be perfect for stores like Walmart and Target. Perfect for someone that doesn’t have access to at home charging. Awesome vid!
How long do you spend at Walmart? These are too slow to charge up while shopping.
Permitting is the bane of my existence. Austin has been holding up mine and 40 other neighbors home chargers sitting on the electrical panel addition permit for 3 months 🙃
Be ungovernable.
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@@ALRinaldi No an option, it's a large condo building so I don't control the electrical rooms.
Government bureaucratic BS is th resistance to the transition…… th disruption is REAL
Austin permitting/zoning is the absolute worst.
Kyle, you gotta open a station for Francie with all those extra chargers. 😂
We use these charging stations and they are fantastic. We have experienced over 99% uptime so far in our first year and have had very high usage across all our 40kW stations. So far our customer’s love the charging experience on these Autel 40kW chargers.
Thanks for covering these awesome chargers, Kyle!
I wish these little chargers were everywhere
Looks like a big iPod 😀
Kyle needs to add a big clickwheel using vinyl die-cut graphics.
Just need a wall mount version that has 2 parts:
1 sits beside your solar/batteries and takes a solar input and a battery input and will boost/buck what the other end asks for either from higher voltage solar (400+v) or boosted from the (48v) battery pack on your solar or from AC Grid.
2. The wand end that passes through NACS to that unit and supplies the high voltage from #1.
Not there yet. As soon as someone gets there, I'm in.
Man, the use cases for this charger and connection at this cost. . . hotels, neighborhood grocery stores or car repair shops, shopping center parking. It could be used for daily top off for a lot of EV drivers who can’t charge at home. At this cost, Autel needs to be pushing this one toward shopping centers and hotels and rest areas along the interstate or rural highways, plugs at apartment complexes. Could it be pole mounted for neighborhood (parking lot) charging? Way better than the typical L2 plug/speed, so throughput is great.
Repair shops definitely. Mechanics don't necessarily need dozens of chargers, and this is great to wheel it to where the car(s) are.
You guys are my go-to for EV related things so I will ask here. Is there something that they sell that can connect to a regular 110 outlet in your garage that can collect and store energy during the day when you are at work or away from home, then charge your vehicle at a faster rate once you get home and connect it to your car in the evening? That way you wouldn’t have to do any work to your home electrical system and still get a decent amount of range added to your car. That could help so many people who live in older homes.
Some of these battery-connected DC fast chargers could likely do that, but I don’t know of anything consumer-grade that does that
240V would be more efficient: even if only trickle-charging at 12A.
The EVSE the came with my used EV has a NEMA 6-20 (240V, 20A) plug, then a NEMA 5-15 adapter cord (120V, 15A).
Currently I lose 68W in the wiring (5.6V drop @ 12.5A). Moving to 240V alone (same wiring) would double the power supplied to the car for the same voltage drop. More likely to install cable rated for 40A, assuming a 30A charger (my car only charges at 16A though, so not needed).
I just want to say that this is a brilliant idea and someone should take this and run with it.
It’s a good idea, but I think the problem is that it would necessarily have to have a large battery (read: expensive) to store the energy and that’s $$$ that you’d prob be better off spending upgrading the electrical in your house.
@@notshylo oh I’m sure there is a reason why it does not exist. It may be a good way to recycle old EV batteries and reuse them in a new way. I think of you live in an old home and in an area with other old homes it would be nice to have something that you could take with you or if you are renting and can’t upgrade the electrical. It just seems like such a waste of time to not collect the energy when you aren’t home.
I've started installing maxichargers for apartment buildings. Their software blows others away. So easy to set up billing and load sharing. They are popping up all over los angeles. The nacs maxicharger is now also available.
What power rating on Maxichargers is most popular for apartments?
@@johnpoldo8817 I only buy the hardwire versions that go to 12kw but depending on the house panels and loads upon them, they can get dialed back. Most apartment buildings are older with constrained services however even a 7kwh charger is a life saver where tenants had access to nothing. The maxicharger has both a hardware maximum adjustment and a software one. The hardware one adjusted to what the circuit and wire can support while the software one to adjust down in the app if the panel has other loads possibly temporary. You can group chargers to share panel load and they will talk to each other to dial back and share power. The 25' cable can reach four parking spaces if installed properly also allowing sharing one unit.
This seems like a great business opportunity. With it only costing 16k, you could make that back within the first year of service.
This is a get option for many use cases. The gentle DCFC is a sweet spot for many. 21:42
Great review Kyle and great work Out-of-Spec team.
Great informative video! I have been waiting for this one.
For anyone wondering, these cost about $22,000 USD, and require 3-phase power on premises. This is not exactly something you can get at home as an EVSE unless you plan to sell the power they provide to other customers at a profit. Most people can't even GET 3-phase power at home, even if they're willing to pay the power company to implement the infrastructure. So nearly everyone is going to be stuck with Level 2 chargers at home for the foreseeable future.
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Kempower also make a similar portable unit
£52k for the big boy 240kW according to their UK site
Autel seems to be the Tesla of chargers with such great software with OTA updates, if they do this well with DC chargers I would not hesitate to purchase their AC Level 2 chargers!
I have a 40 amp one, just had to have a 50 amp plug put in, price is great, got the charger for 50 dollars after utility rebate.
This would be nice for some of us who live around a bunch of public buildings but don’t have any dc fast charging in town. Charge yourself up quicker, plus let others pay to use it allowing the charger to pay for itself over time.
It’s also wild that this can split power and charge 2 vehicles while high power chargers like EA can’t even do that. Would love to see EA build a charger that can do split power
Something like this would be perfect for supermarkets. Fast DC chargers, say 150 kW, are too fast. You have to rush out of the store to avoid idle fees. A better installation than, say, 4 150 or 360 kW DC chargers would be to have 16 of this little guys. In the time it takes to do you shopping, you could get a serious amount of charge.
You should just be able to pick the speed you want, based on how long you are going to be in there. Then charge more for slower speeds to make up for lost profit due to people hogging the charger.
More DC charging content please! This was great.
Chargers are an interesting business. At my previous job I was looking to installing 100 AC points. For my current job we have already installed 100 DC chargers and 150 AC chargers.
But for the DC chargers the costs are usually only 1/3 for the charger. The high voltage cabines, cables and works take the other part of the cost. That being said: 2400 DC left to go (for commercial vehicles that have a 6 hour window to charge at night.
I'd think the initial connection at 20kWh might be to support the case where 2 cars plug in. Give it a minute, and if no 2nd session starts, then give all the gas. If a 2nd session starts, you don't have to remove the module from the current session. Does that sound plausible?
Can these be configured with a single plug? If so, it would be interesting to see if that 20->40 speed change happens then.
Great point
A three phase generator and this would be a perfect addition for the track guys. And thats so true, the power is available in lots of commercial buildings. My old job had one and we used it to run our production trailer but they could have this for when they eventually move the work vehicles to electric (in addition to L2)
When he did the range tests with all the EV trucks he rented a genny, strapped this to it, and charged the dead trucks on the side of the road!
10/10, would plug Kevin!
Why Kevin? How about Ben Chargin? Al B. Charged? Currie? Electrisha? Joules? Eddie Current? Ella Tricity? Amy Perage?
The 20kW DC chargers are also particularly interesting. More common in Europe with their 3 phase but more cost effective option as they typically run in the $5,000 - $7,000 range. (so basically half the price of this for half the power).
Why would anyone need 20kw charger? Most evs have 22kw chargers.
@@NoName-md5zbbecause 7.2kw is the max on mine
That's not true. Most have 11 kW. I just found the cheapest 22 kW DC Charger on AliExpress for only $2000. Tempting.
@noname... (RUclips comment section is too stupid to add this by itself :/)
This looks great for things like auto repair shops, hotels, small fleets, etc. I can see even like a plumbing company that has multiple electric vans or lightnings or something that needs something a little faster than AC with one of these.
Named it “Kevin”.
Minions reference? 😂
Great video! Glad to see you have an XCharge unit. That's an important product. When are you going to test it?
This seems like a great option for apartment complexes, grocery stores, in-town restaurants, city parks, movie theaters, etc.
Not sure how big Kyle wants to go with this Out-of-Spec brand, but I could see an Out-of-Spec Charging Station/Studio/Demo Showroom/Vending Machine Cafe.
Buy some land near a freeway, see what it takes to build a charging station business that can double as a testing location/studio/offices for Out-of-Spec.
Would love to see a totally off grid public charging station. That would be a great challenge
How many solar panels and battery storage units would be needed.
I get this would be huge project taking major time and money, but I could see tons of content created from this and hopefully a great business as well.
Just a crazy suggestion, but thought I would toss it out there.
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I don’t have need yet for this sized capacity but i can see that i most likely will in the future. It’s great to see if i needed it i could pull this off at that price. Maybe by that time there will be more choices and fingers crossed cheaper price.
I like the makeover. Glad to see you got out of the stained oversized hoody. Looking sharp!
Need updates on the other two DC fast chargers you have!!
Please provide some insight on cost implications for businesses installing something like this vs say 8 AC chargers.
Autel makes really high quality OBD diagnostic tools, its a very good brand.
You're the best, dude! I want one!!!!
12:41 "yet" omg Kyle, you just jinxed it! whyyyy
Kind of hard to find 480 volts around a home. In some cases, three phase is around a home at 120 volts for a total of 360 volts in countries other than the US. In the US, 220 volts of two 110 volt phases is the standard. New commercial buildings? I think it would be better to have multiple Level 2 charges so there is more energy shared across multiple cars.
The price seems very very reasonable. Any idea what the monthly service fee is for the back end?
MassDOT put 50kW Autel units at all the service plazas along the Pike. While I wish they were faster it is still nice to have them there. The units are great. They seem to have the same or similar software to what Kyle shows here.
Kyle, how much are your demand fees? Since you must pay for energy used, how do you bill friends for usage?
If I win the lottery I am definitely getting one of these put into my house. Wouldn’t very have a use for it but I just want to flex. Despite the large amount of money I will need to pay to get 480v line run to the house. 😅
Can you get a wall mount for this so you can mount it on the outside of the house ?
150A for 40kW is great. Where I live, the most common fast-chargers are 50kW but they can only output 400V/125A max, making it effectively impossible to pull more than about 44kW unless the EV has its own DC-DC converter.
Kyle really needs to get those DC chargers installed. They've been sitting for months.
Still waiting on OOS Charging - your reliable ultra hyper high power charging provider - only offering service between Fort Collins/Las Vegas and your nearest cannonball route ;-)
My Wallcharger works just fine to charge 2-4 cars. A charger such as this would be great if you had property for public charging.
Can you try to get info on the Point Guard Energy bidirectional 12.5/25KW DC home charger? I've been digging but so far it seems to be vaporware.
It supposedly sits in their battery stack and will extend your home battery with your EV if needed but there is zero info on any vehicle that it actually works with.
i would love this with recycled batteries for dc to dc conversion charging like there 250kw product but for a 50kw
i'm about to invite to you to my university since i'm installing a dozen of the dc compacts
Have you planned a locking system for the cable because this would be easy to steal
Is this drawing 208 volts, three phase, after the building transformer? Or is it wired to the 277 volts available ahead of the transformer?
The public 180 kw aultel charger near me does that power limit on start. First few times I thought it was derated and almost left.
I'd love to see you go over the fleet offering from Ubiquiti.
Nice garage 🙂
Costco should install this.
Does the Autel accept HV DC input in lieu of 480VAC?
NACS connector in the future?
When is Out Of Spec going to open their own charging network?
These would be great at grocery stores!
This would be nice on the farm. We have 2 Tesla and a Lightning. Hope the price could come down.
Doesn't Alpitronic have a quite similar unit for wall mounting?
I'd love something like this and even have 3 phase at home (not uncommon in homes over here) but probably overkill for most home charging. But motels and other commercial premises an excellent option!
You would need to pull something like 160A at 240v (for 40kw) so it's probably unlikely. 20kw maybe?
Should be doable - our home 3 phase (UK) has 100A per phase but we obviously use nothing like that - everything in the house runs off just 1 phase so I have no idea why they put in 3 phase (it's not the norm here).
@andyjdhurley yes, we have 100A per phase at home as well so even the 40kw would be doable. Many of our neighbours are also on 3 phase but a stock single phase 240v supply couldn't cope with 20kw let alone 40kw.
The average commercial property no problem.
In Australia 3 phase is reasonably common in rural residential blocks and farms but most houses still have a single phase supply. We had ours upgraded when we bought a Tesla so we could get the full 11.5kw charge. The house needed it anyway as built in 1969 and still had 6mm copper from the street 😮. Very much future proofed altough home batteries are now more limited (eg Powerwalls don't support 3 phase unless you get 3!)
This Autel unit has beautiful packaging, but we really don’t need a giant screen to charge an EV. They should offer a model with a barebones smaller screen and if more info is needed, use your tablet.
I’m so curious how this behaves charging a Tesla. I notice maddening behavior on 60kw fast chargers where the car takes 10kw to heat the battery up to full supercharging temperature, even though it’s perfectly happy to take 72kw on a cold battery from higher speed chargers.
I’d love to see how long Tesla heats up the pack on this charger and how much energy is wasted. It usually takes me 10-15 min to come up to temp at 10kw of heating. ~2-2.5kwh wasted.
Not sure if I missed it, but can you hook up two vehicles simultaneously for 20kW each? I'm guessing the answer is yes, but Electrify America chargers have been dual-cable for years and don't operate that way. :-)
Yes, Kyle mentioned at one point that you can plug in two vehicles contemporaneously and each gets 20kw
Can confirm. My Mercedes dealer uses this exact unit and I've seen it plugged into both a EQS 450 and EQE 350 at the same time at 20 kW each.
Once one car disconnects, the other will ramp up to the full 40 kW.
This thing is cool! Though I feel like some of the use cases for charger would be better for an aray of level 2 chargers instead. An aray of level 2 chargers would probably be much cheaper, and they dont require human intervention to charge cars one after another.
Agree we need more level 2 chargers but in some cases they are not fast enough. I’m in Europe and here the standard is 11 kw. It takes hours to get any meaningful charge. This solution is way cheaper than the big chargers and a good compromise in my opinion.
having one of these work on 208/240V would be difficult. Even assuming 240V, which would be unlikely since few residential users would likely be willing to pay $15k for a charger, it would pull 166A, which means you would need more than a 200A circuit to run it at 40kw. That's more than most houses have for their entire electrical service. Most commercial users have access to 3-phase AC. Not to mention the increased difficulty of rectifying single phase AC to DC versus 3-phase. There are 208/240V DC chargers, I believe ABB makes one, but they are more in the 20kw range.
That said, having more of these at places you're likely to spend at least 45 minutes would be amazing. Having a line of 10 of these, with 2 cables each, would be ideal for malls, restaurants, movie theaters, even hotels and grocery stores. DC fast chargers are still necessary for quick stops on road trips, but they get overused by people who don't need that kind of charging speed. If you're not on a road trip, you probably don't need to be using a 350kw fast charger. Something like this would probably be more appropriate, as long as it was installed at an appropriate location.
The deal is great would love one without the screen.
If weight can't be reduced other alternative would be to put rubber tires instead of existing wheels. Rubber tires with some good PSI would make it a lot easier to move that thing around
can I wheel this out of my garage and have a POS system to charge neighbors lol. I'd open up a gust wifi network and charge Tesla rates for locals.
I need one of these in my house
Do you have 40kw power inlet?
But can it do bidirectional?
Would be amazing for a Velet service at a Hotel. I would glady pay $10 for Velet service at a restaurant or hotel with a $5 tip if my car could charge between 20-40kW while I have dinner or do my thing.
is DC really that much better for a 1 EV family/driver??
Most public chargers are 40 amp 7.2 KW at best. And what never made sense to me when you add these to a new building, you must install multiple large transformers to step the voltage down to 208 V with the additional panel boards and larger wire this adds quite a large expense, and I never knew why cars couldn’t charge on the higher voltage that is native to the building 277 V or 480 common for large commercial. One recent site chose to eliminate 1/3 of the chargers planned on being installed to save on this expense. So I never knew why more public chargers didn’t have smaller DC chargers instead. True the individual EVSE is much cheaper, but less practical unless your customers or employees are gonna park there for many hours. And it’s quite common to have small, DC chargers in warehouses for forklifts. Most do and they run on 480 3 phase for years so why not for cars?
How much?
Imagine if they had 20-30 of these at every grocery/retail store in your area. People could no longer complain about "can't find anywhere to charge!" and they're just fast enough that most people could get meaningful charges done in the 20-45 minutes they spend shopping at various places.
Kevin love it
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They should offer a single cable version.
My Hummer charges at home at 17 Miles (12KW) per hour using a Level 2 hardwired Autel @ 50 amp. What miles per hour would this give at 40KW? Is it direct proportionate? Roughly 50 miles per hour @ 40 KW?
Yes.
Kyle without a hoodie, is it really him or an impostor :)
At 14:28 your hand changed the screen.
Isn't it cheaper from aliexpress?
Kyle this is AMAZING!!! THANK YOU!!! Can these be installed in a residential home?
Most likely not, homes don't have 480 volt 3 phase power.
@@markrichards9792 Thank you Mark I sort of got ahead of myself :)
Why are you keeping the plastic on the cables?
Kyle isn't that the charger Formula E is using?
I understand that DC charging erodes the capacity of the Battery.