I think I need to quit my job and pass the Fully Charged Show presenting reigns over to Chase and Eric! What a truck, what an inspirational approach, what talent and humility!! We had so much fun filming and visiting Merritt and if you're in Vancouver this weekend you can come and meet the Edison team and take a closer look at the truck at Everything Electric Live! Ticket details in description!
The entire Edison Motors' team are extremely grateful for _Fully Charged Show_ investing the time to come and spend a day with us in Merritt! Imogen and George are even more incredible in person than they appear on screen. We had a wonderful day showing off the production prototype, as well as explaining the origins of the idea, the many benefits that the technology provide, and a glimpse into the future of Edison Motors. Words cannot express how appreciative we all are for being featured by a channel we've followed for so long. Talk about humbling.
They're typical Canadian inventors, eh? Making something great but not an ounce of pretension or ego. You go, guys, show the world how to do it the Canadian way!
I don't think they gave you enough air time, after watching your euro trip and the Scania project collab you deserved more than a 10 minute gloss over.
Why don't you guys sign a deal with Trailer Dynamics or Range Energy to take advantage of their battery-integrated semi-trailer IP? Instead of using a diesel generator which, yes, I know is better than a normal diesel truck. Why not spread the load of the battery pack from the tractor to the trailer? Also, with an electric trailer with electric motors, it improves traction on loose or slippery surfaces, it makes it easier to go up steep grades, and faster and better at exploiting gaps in traffic.
@@firefox39693 Because that would cut into the payload mass; Edison's truck is actually lighter than traditional logging trucks while achieving the majority EV-drive goal.
As a trucker, I'm very impressed and excited about the ethos of this company. Simplistic design, using widely-available, off-the-shelf parts. Trucks used to be made this way. You could rebuild nearly every component yourself, in the field, for minimal costs and replace most parts with other than original, with what was most available. Plastic parts were used only where they were the best choice, not because they were a cheaper choice for the OEM.
I've never driven truck myself, but I've done accounting for a lot of truckers over the years. You really need to be able to fix stuff, if not yourself, at least close to where things break down. None of this send it back to the factory $#!+.
@@inspiringengineer I remember when John Deere tried telling Canadian farmers they didn't actually own their tractors, but were leasing the intellectual property.
Really impressed by CTO Eric Little and his explanations. As a BC resident, I wish for nothing but success and to see Edison trucks on the logging roads.
Even as a resident of Red Deer Alberta I hope for nothing but the best for these guys. Hopefully I can work for them one day as everyone here in Alberta is very against even the idea of a battery. Even if it would make their lives easier and cheaper.
@@cameronmacdonald6525 Hey that's not totally true, I live Red Deer County, I work in the Oil Patch and I think there is a place for electric vehicles, it's the southern city slickers that somehow think we can have all vehicles electric is what pisses us off. People need to pull their head out of there ass, and realize that we will need fossil fuels to run larger vehicles and vehicles in rural areas for many years to come.
@@Michael-pi8ps That's not what they mean by this. There is a story that Thomas Edison stole work from Nikola Tesla (what was not really the case). So it's a joke that they're doing the same now.
Didn’t even touch on the fact that because of the power of the generator, and Edison Truck can be used as an emergency power source. Power goes out and you can run your house, emergency services, even help power a town if you have enough of them. The ability to run a welder, cement mixer, recharge a dead Tesla on the side of a road is going to be game changing. Think of all the trucks at rest stops that have to keep the engine running or fire up an auxiliary generator while they are sleeping, now silent because of the batteries. It makes so much sense.
Touching on the noise further, When the truck comes through town in EV-only mode, there's a lot less noise to disturb people. When they go past on the freeway in the middle of the night and the smaller generator is making less noise then a full sized Diesel powertrain, the people with homes backing on to the freeway will be happier, or still sleeping. With the right set-up, I don't think it's unrealistic to consider the possibility that a truck with a good size battery, generator, regular sized fuel tanks, and full self drive, could make a Coast-to-Coast run across Canada, the US, or Australia, without needing to make a single stop.
There's also the added benefit that BC defines the generator as a portable which means it qualifies for tax-free fuel instead of the usual fuel we usually have to buy.
@@ryanthompson3737 I can forsee that being a short lived benefit though, especially once these trucks become commercially available. Most fuel tax goes to roadway maintenance, not to emissions offsets. And class 8 trucks do much more damage to the road day-to-day than any other type of road going vehicle which incentivises closing the loophole.
one thing the video didn't mention about the generator is that because its not connected to the driveline mechanically it can always run at maximum efficiency dignificantly reducing the lifetime emissions and wear on that engine. also the engines can be significantly smaller than they would need to be on a pure diesel truck.
I was looking for that comment! Electric motors have a much better torque curve across different speed, so I make sense to use it with the driveline! And a diesel engine running unstressed, at peak efficiency to feed of the batteries, that is easily serviceable and keeps the electric motors running, taking care of the batteries deficiency, which let's be honest is the reason electric vehicules haven't been popular until lately! 😊
I am from Pakistan. I found the work of Edison Motors when I was doing my internship for Pakistan Railways in an overhaul workshop. I learnt the operation of diesel locomotives and was fascinated by that. However, the generators, powered by an engine, instantly transmit the electricity to multiple drive axles.
Very cool idea to turn old trucks into trucks full of technology on batteries, congratulations to the company Edison and bravo Fully Charge for the video
Embedded energy and carbon as well as materials and manufacturing hours in existing technology is a very real issue. If these guys could also team up with Dr Wu of Invent wood's Metelwood They could use local sourced and manufactured Greener materials in building their vehicles. It's superior to metal in many ways. Check back for a 1984 UK project called Africar a car for Africa .. and that was traditional marine ply and epoxy monocoques bodywork. Using metal wood would insulate..cut harmonic vibrations ..it's estimated as being 80yr environmentally resistant without further protection and fire resistant. ..it's actually carbon negative and uses cheap rapid growth timber 🪵 .. they can even produce a transparent Glazing replacement from wood. 🧙🏻♂️
Those weren't full of technology. They were very simplistic which is a part of their charm in my book. Tesla and all the other mainstream EV companies throw as many shiny things in front of their customers to try to dazzle them.
Honestly as a lover of electric vehicles, even I have to admit that the idea of a battery electric semi doesn't sound real good, too heavy, too slow to charge, how do you even fast charge something that big? As far as making these greener, I wonder if'n @EdisonMotors will change what they run on for fuel in the future, after all, Otto Von Diesel demonstrated his engine on peanut oil, so they're definitely not limited to diesel.
@@WanderingCactus to solve the charging issue, the diesel engine can run to power up a generator to recharge as you drive, and it shuts off when you reach the desired battery level. And in the logging roads they plan to run Topsy on, they will use regenerative breaking to recharge the batteries to full while coming down the mountain. So a full charge + diesel generator powers the truck going up the mountain, then the brakes recharge the truck going down. As for fuel, I’m sure the aftermarket scene will come up with a mod to run the engines on used cooking oil lol
@@thiefrules yah there is really no way for them to shut down to charge the batteries so this onboard generator idea makes the most sense. Lets also be realistic here. They are driving through forests so even if there is a carbon footprint the trees will use most of that CO2. People need to have realistic goals when it comes to lowering emissions. There are going to be "easy" solutions and then there are going to be more difficult issues. If companies like Edison can help lower the emissions for the more difficult situations then that is a win. I'm also not sure that using something like peanut oil would be ideal. Growing peanuts also requires farm equipment that is most likely uses diesel. It requires a lot of water. Then it requires energy to process the peanut oil. Then it most likely gets transported by ship. Meanwhile the diesel for those trucks in BC comes from Alberta where it goes through a pipeline, then onto a train and then a semi that drives it from the train to the card lock. I bet the carbon footprint is lower than using peanut oil when you factor in the supply chain. And no they arent going to run trucks off used peanut oil. If you took all the used cooking oil from the lower mainland (Vancouver) you'd maybe get enough to run a few trucks each day in the logging industry. Maybe hydrogen is a possibility but first you need to build that supply chain which ends up being difficult and expensive. Maybe one day that happens but I think if Edison can start selling lots of these trucks we should just take it as a win. Edit: One other thing I was look at would be hybrid garbage trucks. I looked it up. They make like 2 mpg due to being stop and go. Fully electric might work but in some cases that could be difficult as well depending how far they have to drive to drop off garbage. If they put a large enough battery to run half the day just on battery they could have a smaller generator that charges when they are going to and from the dump. That stop and go for a garbage truck would be great for electric and then the half an hour or so where they are driving at higher speeds for a longer stretch the generator would be very efficient. It could also potentially save some costs if the yard where the trucks stay overnight they didnt have to put in a really fast charge. A smaller battery would mean even 22 KW would be enough to charge the battery overnight. They would only be running the generator for an hour or two per day. Once a year they do an oil change on the generator and that would be good to go. It also would be much cheaper to replace the batteries after a few years of use vs a really large battery pack that would be required if they wanted a full day of use.
@@WanderingCactus they have said they have it set up where you can have the generator part run on any generator type that you can fit in the front bit. like in some of their early testing videos they fried something and ran it on a gas powered generator strapped on the back of the truck
they have talked about the truck being fairly generator type angnotic but one thing about the diesel gen it it should burn cleaner than a classic engine because it can be pinned to the most optimal RPM because it itself is not having to drive the drivetrain
This is one of those "only in Canada" stories which makes it so freakin' cool. Upcycling old trucks using modern tech and putting them to work TODAY while everyone else waits for Tesla to MAYBE one day produce a product that may or may not work for the applications required here... And making sure simplicity and ease of repair is top of mind, which is the antithesis of modern vehicle engineering. Believe me, I have to do some real gymnastics just to get the battery out of my Smart Fortwo cdi after I bricked it over a long winter...
It's important to note that even with the generator running it's more efficient, which is better for the environment and the owners wallet. The engine is smaller and always runs at peak rpm.
Yes, despite the widely publicised pickup truck that drove across america in the 1970s with a electric motor, and lawn mower engine in the back, the difference between a good hybrid and bad is still not well understood.
@@raphiseth6942 In terms of power efficiency, that may be true. But if you add regeneration downhill, driver comfort, low speed torque to solve low speed problems, its going to be a really close competition.
It seems: In 1802, the English chemist and inventor Humphry Davy invented the first electric light. In 1850 an English physicist named Joseph Wilson Swan created a “light bulb”. On July 24, 1874 a Canadian patent was filed by a Toronto medical electrician named Henry Woodward and a colleague Mathew Evans, but were unsuccessful in commercializing their lamp. They eventually sold their patent to Edison in 1879.
I'm not involved in trucking, electrification, or logging. But, I absolutely love what they're doing at Edison. I'm desperately hoping to see them do some kind of emergency services vehicle. It seems like a full blown fire truck would make sense. Maybe even an airport crash truck.
love it, 😄 Im retired from being a mechanic and later media work so I understand what is involved, but to see some down to earth guys doing this sort of thing, these guys are what the young people say are fire 🔥👍
Anyone who wants to know the difference between how Canadians and Americans sound should be shown this video. These are some of the most Canadian-sounding people I've ever heard!
They're east coasters, we get a lot of them out west. Their accent makes my teeth itch sometimes but you'll have a hard time finding people nicer than them. It almost feels like a new yorker accent.
You took the words out of my mouth. And the trucks they convert in Australia are so massive that they aren't even legal on European roads. If even quarry trucks can be electrified then there is no limit.
The crossover that was inevitable yet took surprisingly long. Also funny because I'm subscribed to both so this was just another "oh Chace has another video" lol
@@samjubilee6593 They are building what? Eight trucks in a year? That means they are buying just about everything at single part price, no large scale economics at work here. So they will not be cheap to build. Compare this to to large scale manufacturers like MAN, Scania or whoever you want to talk about. Scania manufactures their own engines, powertrains and just about everything they can, This means they have a much lower overhead on the price of those parts, and when buying from third party they shift huge volumes instead on one, two or even eight sets at a time. Those volumes bring down the costs a lot. Then there are the actual manufacturing. They have factories built to their specs, machinery making things easier to handle and people who works on this every day and has learned hoe to do it fast and efficiently. It all brings down the manufacturing costs. Also every truck made is close to identical when looking at cable harness and all that. So it's easier to make a few hundred or a thousand trucks a year than eight of them. Currently Edison is basically making prototypes. Each truck they make is an improvement on the previous. This cost time and time is money. I don't know if they are twice, three times, or five times as expensive to make as they would be if they were an actual production run, but they are a lot more expensive, there's no doubt about that.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 When mass producing, assembly line, etc., there is a huge cost in initial tooling, buildings, maintaining complex tooling & machines such as cnc machines, robots, robotic welders, casting/forging, fiberglass/kevlar layup & curing, large buildings, etc. I suspect that if they work smartly, they can sell their trucks at a competetive price little more, or even equal to, the large manufacturers. They've already built their prototype (Topsy) and worked out the kinks in the drivetrain and other problems. They should only improve from here on. When I say they should be competetive, that's assuming that trucks they build will be custom in many cases; Edison can likely provide better prices, and definitely a better product, for many of those niche market customized trucks, imho.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 Sure but they all started the same way...small building individually then when they have enough out there...they can begin to scale up and start making money. It appears you have NO idea how business works. All those truck manufacturers you listed have been in business for 50+ years...of course they will be more established and capable than a company with maybe 2yrs in on a completely new idea. The advantage they have is they can scale WAY faster than any of those other companies who only manufacture their trucks. Edison can build the main components then ship to shops all over the world for the actual licensed install. It's a way better model.
Edison motors can convert any vehicle with a solid rear axle. Edison motors has created a network of existing diesel mechanics in the US and Canada, to convert existing vehicles. If there is a demand in the UK, I'm sure, Edison Motors can form a network in the UK as well.
"We can do 9c discharge - obviously we won't push it that hard" Did you see the small wink or sparkle in his eyes? They ARE going to push it that hard, at least sometimes ^^
I love their practical approach to the truck. Repairability and off the shelf components means lower costs and greater sustainability. If trucks are designed to last 50 years we lower carbon emissions and lower lifetime costs.
I have been following Edison Motors since they appeared at the Fully Charged event last year, as I am sure have many others. Good that you have got to visit to see the progress! Pity you didn't get to take Topsy for a spin around the yard :-(.
@@PistonAvatarGuy I'm sure it will, Janus is doing it in Australia, with swappable batteries on long, high traffic routes. Stopping pollution in residential areas is one benefit, regeneration going down hills is something Diesels cannot do, and driver comfort. Just been watching long haul trucking through the dreadful desert roads, and the instant torque, controllable wheel drive of a hybrid truck, would make so much sense.
@@dnomyarnostaw No, bud, that's just a completely incorrect assessment of what's happening and of what I was saying. You seem to think that I'm trying to say that electric motors can't haul heavy loads, but that's not what I said. Those trucks in Australia are not long haul trucks, they would need to have battery swap stations everywhere in order to be viable, and that's just never going to happen. You'd essentially need to buy multiple sets of batteries for every truck to make that work, and the cost of batteries being what it is would make that a completely impractical solution. As for the Edison truck, the inefficiency of the series hybrid drivetrain would be the problem, as it would result in the truck burning more diesel than a pure ICE truck. They still haven't hauled an actual load in any sort of real world testing and one has to wonder why.
@PistonAvatarGuy I don't get why you went from saying "wouldn't be perfect for long haul highway trucks" to trying to insinuate that Edison is trying to run a scam or something. Topsy is an entirely new vehicle from a new manufacturer with a lot of first-time technology for the role, and is expected to be hauling around the weight of a couple of buildings on public roads (in part). Yeah there's a lot of testing if you want to do that legally and also not kill somebody.
@@PistonAvatarGuy The original intention for their truck is for vocational use. As in tool trucks, wreckers, service vehicles, garbage (bin) trucks, etc. Not as a highway hauler, they even admitted in one of their videos that they knew their truck wasn't the best thing for long haul, hence why they're targeting short haul/vocational segment of the market where their vehicle makes sense.
Saw these guys at the last show in Vancouver and really enjoyed them. Was in Merritt this summer (Imogen did you stay at the old Merritt Hotel downtown for a real Merritt experience?) and was surprised that next to no one I spoke with were aware of Edison Motors. Great work guys and so pleased you're moving into the next stage and actually building the trucks and have more variants on order. Great Canadian know how and ingenuity. All the best!!!
Good job Eric. Your on screen time has come a long way since the beginning of Edison. Much more relaxed with flowing conversation. Just keep at it. You really do need to share more of your perspective and tasks.
So great to see, the diesel generator setup is still a huge improvement emissions wise, compared to straight diesels. As battery density improves so will emissions. The trucks look bad ass and I wish them all the best for the future.
Great work Eddison Motor's. Have been following your work for a long time. I you show why Hybrids are important. we need the heavy haul and long haul trucks to plug in and run hybrid. It is lower cost to get rolling. Big savings for the owner/drivers and big Co2 reductions. A win,win win situations. You should be part of the Hybrid Alliance that try to help getting hybrids into the truck market. Keep up the good work
Fun to watch Edison over the last few years. Great win to get this exposure. As an engineer: what is really fun is they keep evolving the design to improve it.
the huge advantage of a generator over a diesel engine is the ability to use a much smaller, more efficient engine. A generator only needs to run at exactly it's maximum efficiency while a normal truck engine needs to deal with changes in RPM. A generator never has to idle.
Good episode. Need to follow this as it matures. Prolly the best way forward for much of the non-over-the-road (non-long-haul) trucks. We have a bazillion used cabs and chassis sitting in yards all over North America. This is so much better than all new construction for many applications. Keep that old VIN and the requirements of the era of the chassis. Add Tier III hybrid generators and you can go to almost every job site out there 😀
I'm finding myself drawn more and more to electric. It's just much more efficient for my uses. I'm glad you are in on the ground level. The technology is only growing and there will be ample room for innovators like yourself. Truly, I also appreciate your assertive attitude toward having to wait. We are all getting older. Some of us want that time.
This is an awesome business startup right there, showing you don't need an eccentric ahole billionaire or a crooked corporation with government clout to change the industry! Best of luck to these wholesome guys!
It is amazing to see someone designing a truck with the running costs for the customer more prominent in mind, rather than the ongoing profit from specialised maintenance for the company that built the thing. Looking at you Tesla.
Tesla, Ford, Rivian, Chevy are struggling for consumer trucks to haul and not kill the range. How is a logging truck going to work? Ahh they are hybrids. Makes way more sense.
@@leftcoaster67 Yeah... and your point is? The original comment was the truck was not designed to go fast, making it sound like it is slow. But the top speed mentioned is pretty quick, and I was not saying it needs to be quicker.
cant wait till edison motors gets big enough that we start seeing some down in australia some mines have started running 350ton rated b-quins(thats 5 trailers), id love to see edison trucks doing that kind of work
I love that they are able to charge themselves, meaning they are Hybrids. This seems to be the best of both worlds when it comes to ICE/EV's. Also the ability of the driver or local mechanic to repair the vehicle is paramount in cost savings. Short hauls and trips is probably going to be this trucks best advantage for any company. Thanks for sharing. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
The genius of the truck’s simplicity is exactly what Tesla did prior to Musks influence, the founders of Tesla designed the original Roadster and Model S using off the shelf proven tech.
They have been offered but I think they are turning down investments. I actually respect them more for that. Work at a pace where they can grow without making sacrifices. As soon as they take money they will need to find ways to give those investors a return on their investments. One thing they are doing is they are doing the prototyping. Then they will be working with smaller shops to do the work tp build the trucks for the customers. Ideally they want to train the companies they are selling to or the companies doing the work on the trucks the companies they are selling to. I work in mining. If they did retrofits for us they would just need to do one retrofit on site with the mechanics. After that those mechanics will make it work. Those mechanics have a very similar mentality as the guys at Edison. They have a problem and they figure out a solution and make it work. In some cases engineering approval might be required but half the time its just them figuring it out on their own, solving the problem and then give the engineers a report. I've seen mechanics do repairs on the side of the road replacing parts that weigh thousands of lbs. Depending what happened they are pulling out cutting torches to cut stuff out, then replacing a part and then welding stuff back in all while standing on pallets so they arent directly in the foot of mud where the truck is sitting. I live in a city and it actually sorta annoys me how long anything takes to get done. There are just a million roadblocks and people that think too highly of themselves needing to make a decision that it just slows things down. The people doing the work know how to fix things. They just get held up by other people that wont let them do what needs to be done even if that is the right and safe way to do things.
If you don't need as heavy duty of work, the generator is a drop-in. Edison will also be selling purely EV trucks with batteries in place of the generator.
Don’t think the Tesla semi was going to be designed for this purpose anyway. So waiting for them to release the semi was not really going to be an option. This is a different kind of beast and built for rugged roads and harsher environment. Well done though and great to see others taking up the electric future. 👍🇦🇺
It blows my mind that the design of the chevy volt, or this truck, (or diesel electric trains from 100 years ago), wasn't the design for hybrid vehicles from tbe beginning.
Lots of people have trust issues with an all-electric drivetrain because of an inherent distrust of electrical over mechanical components. I agree this is how we should've been doing it all along though. The days of "die-by-wire" are long gone, and we've had 80+ years of diesel-electric locomotives to prove that it works. I had genuinely considered a chevy volt when used-car shopping, but couldnt find any local to me, and i wouldnt be able to take advantage of the plug-in hybrid because i didnt live somewhere i could have a charger.
Nobody mentioned the positive opportunity of energy acquisition that is particular to mountain logging and mining at higher elevations. Normally when an electric vehicle regenerates by driving downhill it cannot actually collect enough power to go all the way back up ... the laws of physics are going to mean that there are some losses of course. However, if you have a heavy load (logs or rocks) that is already at the top of a hill you have a tremendous store of potential energy. This means that the loaded truck CAN potentially generate more power on its trip down the hill than it used to go up! If a truck was making repeated up and down trips you would only need to add power for the first drive up the hill ... all the future trips could be "free". (This principle was used years ago with rail wagons that would be linked in a loop so that the ones loaded at the top would roll down the hill and have enough energy to pull up the empty wagons for the next loading cycle.)
@@callumcurtis15with a maximum speed of 60mph and legal restrictions of no more than 6 hours without a break, 373 miles is more than a hgv driver can legally drive without stopping in the EU and UK.
@@12pentaborane - Electric HGVs will come in waves. First, as is the case now, will be those suited to higher density areas, depot loop runs and tight driver regulation - such suits Europe and parts of Asia well. Next comes longer distance/tramper haulage as found in North America, Australia and other open expanse parts of the world - such will occur with higher battery energy densities at lower cost.
@@12pentaborane with at least a 30 min break after at most 8hrs. Plenty of space inside that 14hrs to recharge, the trick is ubiquitous infrastructure so you can kinda stop when you like.
This comparison to Tesla is like comparing a reciprocating Sawzall to a band saw. One is used for short heavy cuts, while the other is best for doing smoother more intricate work. So more HD hauling vs highway day run delivery. Oh well, that's marketing. Good luck lads. There's a lot of road ahead.
Ultimately, Tesla is succeeding at its mission statement "to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy", it was never about just them doing it, clear sailing or not.
I never understood why Tesla went with a Semi. Making a cube van, with lighter payloads, to handle and shorter, inter city delivery seems to make more sense. Until they develop solid-state, or just improved batteries.
Should not a channel that promotes electric vehicles cover prototypes ? Should it only cover vehicles that are in mass production ? If a vehicle is in mass production it doesn’t need promotion does it ?
Most of their trucks will be prototypes. The thing is once they can get a retrofit right then they can hand over the work to other companies. You only need to show mechanics once how something needs to go together and they will repeat the process. I work in the mining industry and those massive trucks break down. In most cases when something breaks the mechanics just figure out how to make it work. A while back where I work a haul truck broke down in the middle of nowhere. They hooked a massive chain onto the truck and used a piece of heavy machinery to it to get it off the road. Then they put a bunch of pallets under the truck for the mechanic to stand on since it was like a foot deep of mud there. The mechanics replaced the parts right on the side of the road. Keep in mind the parts for those trucks weigh thousands of pounds. The engine alone for the truck that broke down weighs 25k lbs. Looking at the chart I have on my phone the part that broke and that was replaced was 4000 lbs. Mass produced stuff is difficult but smaller production along with creative problem solvers such as people that work in forestry and mining makes things much easier. This industry has sorta ruined me in that sense. I live in a city and when I see how long it takes for anyone to get anything done it just annoys me. And before someone says something about safety. Our safety records are very good. We take risks but they are calculated and understood.
@@WarrenPostma They are selling to customers, I think he said. Doesn't that mean in production...They are just being realistic and not promising to take over the world next month.
Around 2008 I was talking about coming out with a rechargeable battery pack. Solar power for everything laptops. and all that. I was also thinking along the lines of lawn care. Electric. lawn care. I was working for a lawn care company and I thought of all that being electric while having a trailer with solar power on top of it. Battery packs. But I'm poor, so.
@@0ooTheMAXXoo0 Yes, but with battery packs for riding lawn mowers and push mowers and leaf blowers, On an industrial level. Pretty much thought of everything that you would want to get to use that spins a blade wills, or something like that, just all electric. instead of gas. Better than what's been out for from the 80s
It would be nice to see that diesel generator replaced with a hydrogen fuel cell. I'm not one of the hydrogen obsessives who thinks hydrogen is the answer to everything, how hydrogen does have some niche used cases and this looks like one of them.
I think I need to quit my job and pass the Fully Charged Show presenting reigns over to Chase and Eric! What a truck, what an inspirational approach, what talent and humility!! We had so much fun filming and visiting Merritt and if you're in Vancouver this weekend you can come and meet the Edison team and take a closer look at the truck at Everything Electric Live! Ticket details in description!
The entire Edison Motors' team are extremely grateful for _Fully Charged Show_ investing the time to come and spend a day with us in Merritt!
Imogen and George are even more incredible in person than they appear on screen.
We had a wonderful day showing off the production prototype, as well as explaining the origins of the idea, the many benefits that the technology provide, and a glimpse into the future of Edison Motors.
Words cannot express how appreciative we all are for being featured by a channel we've followed for so long. Talk about humbling.
Definitely not! Two of my favourite RUclips presenters in the same place, this was the video I didn't know I was waiting for!
Thanks Imogen and Chase!
🎵Imogen’s a lumberjack and that’s ok! 🎶
They're typical Canadian inventors, eh? Making something great but not an ounce of pretension or ego. You go, guys, show the world how to do it the Canadian way!
Thank you!! You also win the prize for providing some top tier lunch!
Thanks for coming out to visit
I don't think they gave you enough air time, after watching your euro trip and the Scania project collab you deserved more than a 10 minute gloss over.
Absolutely love your approach to building these trucks. Keep up the good work 👍👍
I'm hoping you can grow this into becoming a major player, wishing you guys the BEST OF SUCCESS.
Why don't you guys sign a deal with Trailer Dynamics or Range Energy to take advantage of their battery-integrated semi-trailer IP?
Instead of using a diesel generator which, yes, I know is better than a normal diesel truck. Why not spread the load of the battery pack from the tractor to the trailer?
Also, with an electric trailer with electric motors, it improves traction on loose or slippery surfaces, it makes it easier to go up steep grades, and faster and better at exploiting gaps in traffic.
@@firefox39693 Because that would cut into the payload mass; Edison's truck is actually lighter than traditional logging trucks while achieving the majority EV-drive goal.
As a trucker, I'm very impressed and excited about the ethos of this company. Simplistic design, using widely-available, off-the-shelf parts. Trucks used to be made this way. You could rebuild nearly every component yourself, in the field, for minimal costs and replace most parts with other than original, with what was most available. Plastic parts were used only where they were the best choice, not because they were a cheaper choice for the OEM.
I've never driven truck myself, but I've done accounting for a lot of truckers over the years. You really need to be able to fix stuff, if not yourself, at least close to where things break down. None of this send it back to the factory $#!+.
DONT under any curcunstances let Apple build trucks! :D :D :D
OR John Deere for that matter! :D :D
@@inspiringengineer I remember when John Deere tried telling Canadian farmers they didn't actually own their tractors, but were leasing the intellectual property.
@@jeffreyquinn3820 LOL! :D :D
Really impressed by CTO Eric Little and his explanations. As a BC resident, I wish for nothing but success and to see Edison trucks on the logging roads.
hard agree lets hope BC is good to them
Even as a resident of Red Deer Alberta I hope for nothing but the best for these guys. Hopefully I can work for them one day as everyone here in Alberta is very against even the idea of a battery. Even if it would make their lives easier and cheaper.
@@cameronmacdonald6525 Hey that's not totally true, I live Red Deer County, I work in the Oil Patch and I think there is a place for electric vehicles, it's the southern city slickers that somehow think we can have all vehicles electric is what pisses us off. People need to pull their head out of there ass, and realize that we will need fossil fuels to run larger vehicles and vehicles in rural areas for many years to come.
"I'll call it Edison Motors 'cause we're stealin' Tesla's idea..." LOVE it...
They aren’t stealing Tesla’s idea. They’re doing something completely different for a different task
elon SUCKS
@@smokindauberdoo4208mad tears🤭💩
@@Michael-pi8ps That's not what they mean by this. There is a story that Thomas Edison stole work from Nikola Tesla (what was not really the case). So it's a joke that they're doing the same now.
Turnabout being Fairplay so did I,afterall Edison stole tesla's technology
Didn’t even touch on the fact that because of the power of the generator, and Edison Truck can be used as an emergency power source. Power goes out and you can run your house, emergency services, even help power a town if you have enough of them. The ability to run a welder, cement mixer, recharge a dead Tesla on the side of a road is going to be game changing. Think of all the trucks at rest stops that have to keep the engine running or fire up an auxiliary generator while they are sleeping, now silent because of the batteries. It makes so much sense.
Agreed. V2L and V2V would be killer for these machines.
Touching on the noise further, When the truck comes through town in EV-only mode, there's a lot less noise to disturb people. When they go past on the freeway in the middle of the night and the smaller generator is making less noise then a full sized Diesel powertrain, the people with homes backing on to the freeway will be happier, or still sleeping.
With the right set-up, I don't think it's unrealistic to consider the possibility that a truck with a good size battery, generator, regular sized fuel tanks, and full self drive, could make a Coast-to-Coast run across Canada, the US, or Australia, without needing to make a single stop.
@@PiDsPagePrototypes from loud jake brakes wasting energy to silent regen re-harnessing it
There's also the added benefit that BC defines the generator as a portable which means it qualifies for tax-free fuel instead of the usual fuel we usually have to buy.
@@ryanthompson3737 I can forsee that being a short lived benefit though, especially once these trucks become commercially available. Most fuel tax goes to roadway maintenance, not to emissions offsets. And class 8 trucks do much more damage to the road day-to-day than any other type of road going vehicle which incentivises closing the loophole.
one thing the video didn't mention about the generator is that because its not connected to the driveline mechanically it can always run at maximum efficiency dignificantly reducing the lifetime emissions and wear on that engine. also the engines can be significantly smaller than they would need to be on a pure diesel truck.
Yes!
Yeah the engine is only a 7 litre. That's less than half the size of most truck engines.
I was looking for that comment! Electric motors have a much better torque curve across different speed, so I make sense to use it with the driveline!
And a diesel engine running unstressed, at peak efficiency to feed of the batteries, that is easily serviceable and keeps the electric motors running, taking care of the batteries deficiency, which let's be honest is the reason electric vehicules haven't been popular until lately! 😊
I am from Pakistan. I found the work of Edison Motors when I was doing my internship for Pakistan Railways in an overhaul workshop. I learnt the operation of diesel locomotives and was fascinated by that. However, the generators, powered by an engine, instantly transmit the electricity to multiple drive axles.
The running costs, The electric does all the work of a transmission and drivetrain, while the diesel runs for minimal hours.
Very cool idea to turn old trucks into trucks full of technology on batteries, congratulations to the company Edison and bravo Fully Charge for the video
Embedded energy and carbon as well as materials and manufacturing hours in existing technology is a very real issue.
If these guys could also team up with Dr Wu of Invent wood's Metelwood They could use local sourced and manufactured
Greener materials in building their vehicles.
It's superior to metal in many ways.
Check back for a 1984 UK project called Africar a car for Africa .. and that was traditional marine ply and epoxy monocoques bodywork.
Using metal wood would insulate..cut harmonic vibrations ..it's estimated as being 80yr environmentally resistant without further protection and fire resistant. ..it's actually carbon negative and uses cheap rapid growth timber 🪵 .. they can even produce a transparent Glazing replacement from wood. 🧙🏻♂️
Those weren't full of technology. They were very simplistic which is a part of their charm in my book. Tesla and all the other mainstream EV companies throw as many shiny things in front of their customers to try to dazzle them.
I wish Edison all the success in the world. Best of all they are passionate, and love their jobs. That's awesome.
This is one of the few instances where hybrid makes real sense - end of nowhere, no charging available, perfectly makes sense.
Honestly as a lover of electric vehicles, even I have to admit that the idea of a battery electric semi doesn't sound real good, too heavy, too slow to charge, how do you even fast charge something that big? As far as making these greener, I wonder if'n @EdisonMotors will change what they run on for fuel in the future, after all, Otto Von Diesel demonstrated his engine on peanut oil, so they're definitely not limited to diesel.
@@WanderingCactus to solve the charging issue, the diesel engine can run to power up a generator to recharge as you drive, and it shuts off when you reach the desired battery level. And in the logging roads they plan to run Topsy on, they will use regenerative breaking to recharge the batteries to full while coming down the mountain. So a full charge + diesel generator powers the truck going up the mountain, then the brakes recharge the truck going down. As for fuel, I’m sure the aftermarket scene will come up with a mod to run the engines on used cooking oil lol
@@thiefrules yah there is really no way for them to shut down to charge the batteries so this onboard generator idea makes the most sense. Lets also be realistic here. They are driving through forests so even if there is a carbon footprint the trees will use most of that CO2. People need to have realistic goals when it comes to lowering emissions. There are going to be "easy" solutions and then there are going to be more difficult issues. If companies like Edison can help lower the emissions for the more difficult situations then that is a win. I'm also not sure that using something like peanut oil would be ideal. Growing peanuts also requires farm equipment that is most likely uses diesel. It requires a lot of water. Then it requires energy to process the peanut oil. Then it most likely gets transported by ship. Meanwhile the diesel for those trucks in BC comes from Alberta where it goes through a pipeline, then onto a train and then a semi that drives it from the train to the card lock. I bet the carbon footprint is lower than using peanut oil when you factor in the supply chain. And no they arent going to run trucks off used peanut oil. If you took all the used cooking oil from the lower mainland (Vancouver) you'd maybe get enough to run a few trucks each day in the logging industry. Maybe hydrogen is a possibility but first you need to build that supply chain which ends up being difficult and expensive. Maybe one day that happens but I think if Edison can start selling lots of these trucks we should just take it as a win.
Edit:
One other thing I was look at would be hybrid garbage trucks. I looked it up. They make like 2 mpg due to being stop and go. Fully electric might work but in some cases that could be difficult as well depending how far they have to drive to drop off garbage. If they put a large enough battery to run half the day just on battery they could have a smaller generator that charges when they are going to and from the dump. That stop and go for a garbage truck would be great for electric and then the half an hour or so where they are driving at higher speeds for a longer stretch the generator would be very efficient. It could also potentially save some costs if the yard where the trucks stay overnight they didnt have to put in a really fast charge. A smaller battery would mean even 22 KW would be enough to charge the battery overnight. They would only be running the generator for an hour or two per day. Once a year they do an oil change on the generator and that would be good to go. It also would be much cheaper to replace the batteries after a few years of use vs a really large battery pack that would be required if they wanted a full day of use.
@@WanderingCactus they have said they have it set up where you can have the generator part run on any generator type that you can fit in the front bit. like in some of their early testing videos they fried something and ran it on a gas powered generator strapped on the back of the truck
they have talked about the truck being fairly generator type angnotic but one thing about the diesel gen it it should burn cleaner than a classic engine because it can be pinned to the most optimal RPM because it itself is not having to drive the drivetrain
This is one of those "only in Canada" stories which makes it so freakin' cool. Upcycling old trucks using modern tech and putting them to work TODAY while everyone else waits for Tesla to MAYBE one day produce a product that may or may not work for the applications required here... And making sure simplicity and ease of repair is top of mind, which is the antithesis of modern vehicle engineering. Believe me, I have to do some real gymnastics just to get the battery out of my Smart Fortwo cdi after I bricked it over a long winter...
It's important to note that even with the generator running it's more efficient, which is better for the environment and the owners wallet. The engine is smaller and always runs at peak rpm.
They say it themselves: in certain applications, highway truck efficiency is hard to beat because they don't have to convert
Yes, despite the widely publicised pickup truck that drove across america in the 1970s with a electric motor, and lawn mower engine in the back, the difference between a good hybrid and bad is still not well understood.
@@raphiseth6942 In terms of power efficiency, that may be true. But if you add regeneration downhill, driver comfort, low speed torque to solve low speed problems, its going to be a really close competition.
They will use the the strongest and largest engine that Scania provides but it will be more efficient and effective than a smaller engine
Regenerative Braking is where is makes massive gains in efficiency.
Calling the company Edison, sounds like a bright idea 💡
Edison vs. Tesla round 2?
It seems:
In 1802, the English chemist and inventor Humphry Davy invented the first electric light.
In 1850 an English physicist named Joseph Wilson Swan created a “light bulb”.
On July 24, 1874 a Canadian patent was filed by a Toronto medical electrician named Henry Woodward and a colleague Mathew Evans, but were unsuccessful in commercializing their lamp.
They eventually sold their patent to Edison in 1879.
...i see what you did there😁
@@leftcoaster67 Edison win it got a generator
I'm not involved in trucking, electrification, or logging. But, I absolutely love what they're doing at Edison. I'm desperately hoping to see them do some kind of emergency services vehicle. It seems like a full blown fire truck would make sense. Maybe even an airport crash truck.
Keep an eye on DeBoss - they're working with Edison to do retrofit hybrid for large working pickups, it's been fun to watch
love it, 😄
Im retired from being a mechanic and later media work so I understand what is involved, but to see some down to earth guys doing this sort of thing, these guys are what the young people say are fire 🔥👍
Anyone who wants to know the difference between how Canadians and Americans sound should be shown this video. These are some of the most Canadian-sounding people I've ever heard!
They're east coasters, we get a lot of them out west. Their accent makes my teeth itch sometimes but you'll have a hard time finding people nicer than them. It almost feels like a new yorker accent.
They sound the same to me
@@alskjflaksjdflakjdf Chace has lived in BC his whole life...
There is more than one Canadian accent - like there is more than one American accent
@@redneckcoder hahahahah, wow was I wrong!
Janus Electric are doing the same thing in Australia. There are so many trucks that this could be done all over the world.
And as Canadian I asked myself, why isn't anyone doing that here, and well now there is. Just need them to expand to the rest of Canada 😉
I was trying to remember the Aussie company doing this. They were in Qld? And did I see them on Fully Charged as well🤔
You took the words out of my mouth. And the trucks they convert in Australia are so massive that they aren't even legal on European roads. If even quarry trucks can be electrified then there is no limit.
The crossover that was inevitable yet took surprisingly long.
Also funny because I'm subscribed to both so this was just another "oh Chace has another video" lol
Unlike the mining trucks when hauling down the hill with 40tonne cargo they recuperate almost enough to go back up empty. I love the efficiency
At the scale they're doing it, their project trucks cost probably 3x to 5x what their production vehicles would cost.
@@WarrenPostma I'm suuurrree you know what yer talkin' about - fer certain !
@@samjubilee6593 They are building what? Eight trucks in a year? That means they are buying just about everything at single part price, no large scale economics at work here. So they will not be cheap to build. Compare this to to large scale manufacturers like MAN, Scania or whoever you want to talk about. Scania manufactures their own engines, powertrains and just about everything they can, This means they have a much lower overhead on the price of those parts, and when buying from third party they shift huge volumes instead on one, two or even eight sets at a time. Those volumes bring down the costs a lot. Then there are the actual manufacturing. They have factories built to their specs, machinery making things easier to handle and people who works on this every day and has learned hoe to do it fast and efficiently. It all brings down the manufacturing costs. Also every truck made is close to identical when looking at cable harness and all that. So it's easier to make a few hundred or a thousand trucks a year than eight of them. Currently Edison is basically making prototypes. Each truck they make is an improvement on the previous. This cost time and time is money.
I don't know if they are twice, three times, or five times as expensive to make as they would be if they were an actual production run, but they are a lot more expensive, there's no doubt about that.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 When mass producing, assembly line, etc., there is a huge cost in initial tooling, buildings, maintaining complex tooling & machines such as cnc machines, robots, robotic welders, casting/forging, fiberglass/kevlar layup & curing, large buildings, etc. I suspect that if they work smartly, they can sell their trucks at a competetive price little more, or even equal to, the large manufacturers. They've already built their prototype (Topsy) and worked out the kinks in the drivetrain and other problems. They should only improve from here on.
When I say they should be competetive, that's assuming that trucks they build will be custom in many cases; Edison can likely provide better prices, and definitely a better product, for many of those niche market customized trucks, imho.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 Sure but they all started the same way...small building individually then when they have enough out there...they can begin to scale up and start making money. It appears you have NO idea how business works. All those truck manufacturers you listed have been in business for 50+ years...of course they will be more established and capable than a company with maybe 2yrs in on a completely new idea.
The advantage they have is they can scale WAY faster than any of those other companies who only manufacture their trucks. Edison can build the main components then ship to shops all over the world for the actual licensed install. It's a way better model.
Love this story, particularly that they are not only just building new trucks but repurposing existing ones, great job Edison Motors.
Imogen is a great host! Never miss one of her videos.
Imogen is adorable and smart.
Edison motors can convert any vehicle with a solid rear axle.
Edison motors has created a network of existing diesel mechanics in the US and Canada, to convert existing vehicles. If there is a demand in the UK, I'm sure, Edison Motors can form a network in the UK as well.
There's plenty of electric trucks in Europe already. All the big manufacturers offer e-trucks up to 800kw.
Thanks for helping to spread the word about Edison!
I like that it actually looks like a truck too.
It looks like a garage build from some hobbyists.
Only people without any clue about the topic will be fooled by this.
@@miskatonic6210It's closer to the "classic" trucks than anything Tesla ever built. Also, stay mad
miskatonic tell me you've never seen logging trucks or mining trucks without telling me you've never seen em...🤦🏼♀️
"We can do 9c discharge - obviously we won't push it that hard"
Did you see the small wink or sparkle in his eyes?
They ARE going to push it that hard, at least sometimes ^^
I love their practical approach to the truck. Repairability and off the shelf components means lower costs and greater sustainability. If trucks are designed to last 50 years we lower carbon emissions and lower lifetime costs.
I love the restomod aspect of this! Converting older vehicles to hybrid electric with off the shelf parts is a great way to reduce and reuse!
I loved their down to earth approach, and calling themselves Edison Motors is a great pun. Loved Imogens presentation, thank you!
I have been following Edison Motors since they appeared at the Fully Charged event last year, as I am sure have many others. Good that you have got to visit to see the progress!
Pity you didn't get to take Topsy for a spin around the yard :-(.
i saw a video where it towed this pickup-sherman hybrid like it was nothing its kinda insane how strong they are
7:52 that little wink man I love this guy 😂♥
Big fan of electric drivetrains in gas vehicles. It made sense in the Chevy Volt, it made sense in diesel trains, and it makes sense in semis.
It wouldn't work well in long-haul semi trucks.
@@PistonAvatarGuy I'm sure it will, Janus is doing it in Australia, with swappable batteries on long, high traffic routes. Stopping pollution in residential areas is one benefit, regeneration going down hills is something Diesels cannot do, and driver comfort.
Just been watching long haul trucking through the dreadful desert roads, and the instant torque, controllable wheel drive of a hybrid truck, would make so much sense.
@@dnomyarnostaw No, bud, that's just a completely incorrect assessment of what's happening and of what I was saying. You seem to think that I'm trying to say that electric motors can't haul heavy loads, but that's not what I said.
Those trucks in Australia are not long haul trucks, they would need to have battery swap stations everywhere in order to be viable, and that's just never going to happen. You'd essentially need to buy multiple sets of batteries for every truck to make that work, and the cost of batteries being what it is would make that a completely impractical solution.
As for the Edison truck, the inefficiency of the series hybrid drivetrain would be the problem, as it would result in the truck burning more diesel than a pure ICE truck. They still haven't hauled an actual load in any sort of real world testing and one has to wonder why.
@PistonAvatarGuy I don't get why you went from saying "wouldn't be perfect for long haul highway trucks" to trying to insinuate that Edison is trying to run a scam or something. Topsy is an entirely new vehicle from a new manufacturer with a lot of first-time technology for the role, and is expected to be hauling around the weight of a couple of buildings on public roads (in part). Yeah there's a lot of testing if you want to do that legally and also not kill somebody.
@@PistonAvatarGuy The original intention for their truck is for vocational use. As in tool trucks, wreckers, service vehicles, garbage (bin) trucks, etc. Not as a highway hauler, they even admitted in one of their videos that they knew their truck wasn't the best thing for long haul, hence why they're targeting short haul/vocational segment of the market where their vehicle makes sense.
THIS IS A REAL COMPANY PEOPLE NEED TO TAKE NOTES
Saw these guys at the last show in Vancouver and really enjoyed them. Was in Merritt this summer (Imogen did you stay at the old Merritt Hotel downtown for a real Merritt experience?) and was surprised that next to no one I spoke with were aware of Edison Motors. Great work guys and so pleased you're moving into the next stage and actually building the trucks and have more variants on order. Great Canadian know how and ingenuity. All the best!!!
Good job Eric. Your on screen time has come a long way since the beginning of Edison. Much more relaxed with flowing conversation. Just keep at it. You really do need to share more of your perspective and tasks.
So great to see, the diesel generator setup is still a huge improvement emissions wise, compared to straight diesels. As battery density improves so will emissions. The trucks look bad ass and I wish them all the best for the future.
Great work Eddison Motor's. Have been following your work for a long time. I you show why Hybrids are important. we need the heavy haul and long haul trucks to plug in and run hybrid. It is lower cost to get rolling. Big savings for the owner/drivers and big Co2 reductions. A win,win win situations. You should be part of the Hybrid Alliance that try to help getting hybrids into the truck market. Keep up the good work
This is basically "dieselpunk"!
Fun to watch Edison over the last few years. Great win to get this exposure.
As an engineer: what is really fun is they keep evolving the design to improve it.
have been watching Edisons videos and waiting to see how long before Fully charged rocked up !
I lived in Merritt for a while. Quite a cute little town and the scenery is simply stunning.
The collab we've all been waiting for!
Born of frustration..
mother of many inventions.. 😄 I hope they succeed 👍
the huge advantage of a generator over a diesel engine is the ability to use a much smaller, more efficient engine. A generator only needs to run at exactly it's maximum efficiency while a normal truck engine needs to deal with changes in RPM. A generator never has to idle.
I had been waiting for fully charged to feature Edison. It is so cool to see truck manufacturing return to Canada
Another brilliant video. Those young Canadians are amazing. Very clever.
Good episode. Need to follow this as it matures. Prolly the best way forward for much of the non-over-the-road (non-long-haul) trucks. We have a bazillion used cabs and chassis sitting in yards all over North America. This is so much better than all new construction for many applications. Keep that old VIN and the requirements of the era of the chassis. Add Tier III hybrid generators and you can go to almost every job site out there 😀
👍 it's great to hear that this type of activity is being successful.
The humility and the sensibility of this team are inspiring. Other companies should take note.
Wow, I didn't know about Edison which is just down a backroad from where I live.
I'm finding myself drawn more and more to electric. It's just much more efficient for my uses. I'm glad you are in on the ground level. The technology is only growing and there will be ample room for innovators like yourself. Truly, I also appreciate your assertive attitude toward having to wait. We are all getting older. Some of us want that time.
Love their company's name and slogan, it's CLEVER on ... two totally different levels.
EdisonMotors' got the right spirit.
Do what's possible today, but make it easy to upgrade and modify in the future.
good to see edison motors on your show 👌👌
Thank you for your coverage on this topic! Most manufacturers are worried about _selling_ vehicles. These guys are focused on building solid vehicles.
I ❤ it !
We need more heavy duty electrified vehicles, to prove the technology to the naysayers!
What a great story and company, love it! 👍🏻 Love Imogen’s presenting style too, keep it up IB! 👏🏻😎
Excellent. Those trucks do look tough.
Makes the Tesla Semi look like a Girly Boy...
Half inch thick frame rails btw. Most logging trucks use welded double 3/8ths, which is weaker and prone to rusting.
Thanks for covering these guys, they’re so overlooked and their approach to this is top notch
deboss garage with massive grin😊 it took fully charged a while to find edison ....well done fully charged
Good on ya! Fellow British Columbian here, super stoked this is just down the road from me 😊
This is an awesome business startup right there, showing you don't need an eccentric ahole billionaire or a crooked corporation with government clout to change the industry! Best of luck to these wholesome guys!
It is amazing to see someone designing a truck with the running costs for the customer more prominent in mind, rather than the ongoing profit from specialised maintenance for the company that built the thing. Looking at you Tesla.
These logging trucks aren’t designed to go fast!
They’re designed to go hard!
Tesla, Ford, Rivian, Chevy are struggling for consumer trucks to haul and not kill the range. How is a logging truck going to work? Ahh they are hybrids. Makes way more sense.
130kph/80mph. That is plenty fast enough for any road vehicle.😳
@@martythemartian99 it’s a logging truck. Not a formula 1 car.
@@leftcoaster67 Yeah... and your point is? The original comment was the truck was not designed to go fast, making it sound like it is slow. But the top speed mentioned is pretty quick, and I was not saying it needs to be quicker.
You’ve never been on Highway one in Canada then. 😉
...beautiful presentation, filming and editing! Go, Edison, Go!!! : )
So Edison trucks are manufactured next to Nicola, BC. Take that, Tesla!
Great to see you caught up with Edison Motors!
cant wait till edison motors gets big enough that we start seeing some down in australia
some mines have started running 350ton rated b-quins(thats 5 trailers), id love to see edison trucks doing that kind of work
Diesel Electric = Locomotive
That’s the future.
And the past 😂😂...
This should be the standard of trucks and machinery.
I love that they are able to charge themselves, meaning they are Hybrids. This seems to be the best of both worlds when it comes to ICE/EV's. Also the ability of the driver or local mechanic to repair the vehicle is paramount in cost savings. Short hauls and trips is probably going to be this trucks best advantage for any company. Thanks for sharing. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
Can't wait to see the hybrid 770 Scania V8 truck
Realistic and inspiring, I like what these guys are doing
A couple of feet on the ground bright guy. Excellent presentation.😅
This is your best interview. Excellent that more and more companies are giving electric a go.
The genius of the truck’s simplicity is exactly what Tesla did prior to Musks influence, the founders of Tesla designed the original Roadster and Model S using off the shelf proven tech.
This is a DIY dream...💪💪
Someone need to invest in these guys to increase production
They have been offered but I think they are turning down investments. I actually respect them more for that. Work at a pace where they can grow without making sacrifices. As soon as they take money they will need to find ways to give those investors a return on their investments. One thing they are doing is they are doing the prototyping. Then they will be working with smaller shops to do the work tp build the trucks for the customers. Ideally they want to train the companies they are selling to or the companies doing the work on the trucks the companies they are selling to. I work in mining. If they did retrofits for us they would just need to do one retrofit on site with the mechanics. After that those mechanics will make it work. Those mechanics have a very similar mentality as the guys at Edison. They have a problem and they figure out a solution and make it work. In some cases engineering approval might be required but half the time its just them figuring it out on their own, solving the problem and then give the engineers a report. I've seen mechanics do repairs on the side of the road replacing parts that weigh thousands of lbs. Depending what happened they are pulling out cutting torches to cut stuff out, then replacing a part and then welding stuff back in all while standing on pallets so they arent directly in the foot of mud where the truck is sitting. I live in a city and it actually sorta annoys me how long anything takes to get done. There are just a million roadblocks and people that think too highly of themselves needing to make a decision that it just slows things down. The people doing the work know how to fix things. They just get held up by other people that wont let them do what needs to be done even if that is the right and safe way to do things.
They have only to increase production and they will soon outsell the tesla semi...
@@pin65371 As the guy on those pallets most of the day, Its not stuck if it liquid.
Fantastic! What a pleasure to see people taking action! 😃
we've been running a Scania fully electric lumber truck for years at my work🤔
If you don't need as heavy duty of work, the generator is a drop-in. Edison will also be selling purely EV trucks with batteries in place of the generator.
So glad you picked up this story! 🚚
Don’t think the Tesla semi was going to be designed for this purpose anyway. So waiting for them to release the semi was not really going to be an option. This is a different kind of beast and built for rugged roads and harsher environment. Well done though and great to see others taking up the electric future. 👍🇦🇺
LOVE THIS, American style electric truck.
It blows my mind that the design of the chevy volt, or this truck, (or diesel electric trains from 100 years ago), wasn't the design for hybrid vehicles from tbe beginning.
Lots of people have trust issues with an all-electric drivetrain because of an inherent distrust of electrical over mechanical components. I agree this is how we should've been doing it all along though. The days of "die-by-wire" are long gone, and we've had 80+ years of diesel-electric locomotives to prove that it works. I had genuinely considered a chevy volt when used-car shopping, but couldnt find any local to me, and i wouldnt be able to take advantage of the plug-in hybrid because i didnt live somewhere i could have a charger.
Great video Fully Charged team, didn't know of Edison trucks before. Great to still see new pioneering companies, 😊❤.
Nobody mentioned the positive opportunity of energy acquisition that is particular to mountain logging and mining at higher elevations. Normally when an electric vehicle regenerates by driving downhill it cannot actually collect enough power to go all the way back up ... the laws of physics are going to mean that there are some losses of course. However, if you have a heavy load (logs or rocks) that is already at the top of a hill you have a tremendous store of potential energy. This means that the loaded truck CAN potentially generate more power on its trip down the hill than it used to go up! If a truck was making repeated up and down trips you would only need to add power for the first drive up the hill ... all the future trips could be "free". (This principle was used years ago with rail wagons that would be linked in a loop so that the ones loaded at the top would roll down the hill and have enough energy to pull up the empty wagons for the next loading cycle.)
He literally said that exact same thing 3:36
Consider this a vote for more views, I highly value this idea.
Cool stuff.
New Volvo FH will have 373 mile range, the "it can't be done" people are quietly retreating 😂
@@callumcurtis15with a maximum speed of 60mph and legal restrictions of no more than 6 hours without a break, 373 miles is more than a hgv driver can legally drive without stopping in the EU and UK.
@@jonsykes8780 In the EU and UK is pretty key there. I think in North America 10 hours of driving or 14 hours of duty I think is law.
@@12pentaborane - Electric HGVs will come in waves. First, as is the case now, will be those suited to higher density areas, depot loop runs and tight driver regulation - such suits Europe and parts of Asia well. Next comes longer distance/tramper haulage as found in North America, Australia and other open expanse parts of the world - such will occur with higher battery energy densities at lower cost.
@@12pentaborane with at least a 30 min break after at most 8hrs. Plenty of space inside that 14hrs to recharge, the trick is ubiquitous infrastructure so you can kinda stop when you like.
This comparison to Tesla is like comparing a reciprocating Sawzall to a band saw.
One is used for short heavy cuts, while the other is best for doing smoother more intricate work. So more HD hauling vs highway day run delivery.
Oh well, that's marketing. Good luck lads. There's a lot of road ahead.
Was great seeing Topsy in person today and having a quick chat with Chace
Solarpanels have become so cheap, you can flood the forests with gasstations for Topsy.
Did you spot the Solar Trailer parked behind the truck?
Edison motors makes and sells solar panel trailers
ah yes, 1km² to charge ONE truck.
(i haven't actually done the math, but 800kw is a truckload of energy lol)
Imogen is by far the best presenter on Fully Charged!
As a expat Brit who lives in Canada these guys are good and Topsy is the trucks name. Living in BC or Alberta you need a truck for daily living.
In Alberta every has a pickup , even my wife had one !
Ultimately, Tesla is succeeding at its mission statement "to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy", it was never about just them doing it, clear sailing or not.
Edison Motors Rocks! Great Canadian ingenuity! All the Best 👍🇨🇦
I never understood why Tesla went with a Semi. Making a cube van, with lighter payloads, to handle and shorter, inter city delivery seems to make more sense. Until they develop solid-state, or just improved batteries.
Plenty of competition in that sector, teslacwant it's products to be halo products, can't do that if you're not the first mover
They haven't done that - YET. Also, others are building electric vans. but the semi industry needs the biggest push into the future.
Semis future is Hydrogen
@@jamesengland7461 PepsiCo has Tesla Semi's in operation.
@@kafkaspen Yeah, 'cos they are going to install all that hydrogen infrastructure ont in the mountains to haul out timber. Get a grip.
These guys are definitely doing it right. Also I didn't know they have 8 trucks in the pipeline already :D
Producing a sample is different from cranking out truck at scale.
Most people are aware that prototype stage is not production. But thanks.
Should not a channel that promotes electric vehicles cover prototypes ? Should it only cover vehicles that are in mass production ? If a vehicle is in mass production it doesn’t need promotion does it ?
@@francesconicoletti2547but it’s easy to build a prototype. Now get to mass production… anyone can build a cool “one off”
Most of their trucks will be prototypes. The thing is once they can get a retrofit right then they can hand over the work to other companies. You only need to show mechanics once how something needs to go together and they will repeat the process. I work in the mining industry and those massive trucks break down. In most cases when something breaks the mechanics just figure out how to make it work. A while back where I work a haul truck broke down in the middle of nowhere. They hooked a massive chain onto the truck and used a piece of heavy machinery to it to get it off the road. Then they put a bunch of pallets under the truck for the mechanic to stand on since it was like a foot deep of mud there. The mechanics replaced the parts right on the side of the road. Keep in mind the parts for those trucks weigh thousands of pounds. The engine alone for the truck that broke down weighs 25k lbs. Looking at the chart I have on my phone the part that broke and that was replaced was 4000 lbs. Mass produced stuff is difficult but smaller production along with creative problem solvers such as people that work in forestry and mining makes things much easier. This industry has sorta ruined me in that sense. I live in a city and when I see how long it takes for anyone to get anything done it just annoys me. And before someone says something about safety. Our safety records are very good. We take risks but they are calculated and understood.
@@WarrenPostma They are selling to customers, I think he said. Doesn't that mean in production...They are just being realistic and not promising to take over the world next month.
A truck that pro repair!!!! And built by truckers for truckers let’s go!!!
Around 2008 I was talking about coming out with a rechargeable battery pack. Solar power for everything laptops. and all that. I was also thinking along the lines of lawn care. Electric. lawn care. I was working for a lawn care company and I thought of all that being electric while having a trailer with solar power on top of it. Battery packs. But I'm poor, so.
Electric lawn care equipment has been cheaper than gas powered equipment since at least the 1980s...
@@0ooTheMAXXoo0 Yes, but with battery packs for riding lawn mowers and push mowers and leaf blowers, On an industrial level. Pretty much thought of everything that you would want to get to use that spins a blade wills, or something like that, just all electric. instead of gas. Better than what's been out for from the 80s
Great story of ingenuity! Will see them at the Everything Electric Show this weekend September 6,7,8, 2024
It would be nice to see that diesel generator replaced with a hydrogen fuel cell.
I'm not one of the hydrogen obsessives who thinks hydrogen is the answer to everything, how hydrogen does have some niche used cases and this looks like one of them.