2024 KTM/Husky TBI Fuel Economy - Pushing The Limits
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- Testing the fuel range on the new TBI bikes. It seems around 60 miles of just shy of 100km is the farthest you can go on a tank of fuel. This ride was 114km or 60.5 miles, 805 and Tech Enduro packed 850ml of extra fuel and just made it back to the trucks by coasting on the last downhill trail. I packed about 1300ml extra and had a little fuel to spare at the end of the day. The fuel capacity on these bikes is 8.5L so 15% less than the old carb versions so it's not so much they use a lot more fuel, the fuel capacity is more the problem.
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Grrat video. And thanks for the Metric conversion for all the Aussies here watching. cheers 👍👍🤙
I'm Canadian so I'm actually converting Metric to Imperial for the US viewers!
Wow! Such epic trails. We have nothing like that on the East Coast. And thanks for the 60 mile "thumb rule" for bike range!
I just completed a long ride at Lone Valley near Gold Bridge BC. My 2024 KTM 300 XC-W started bogging from low fuel at exactly 100 km. My friend's 2023 KTM 300 XC-W (TPI) still had enough gas for 15 km back to camp. The TBI machines burn more than TPIs.
Yes they do burn more, you did well to hit 100km.
Did you ride with the group that was up there for 3 days recently? That place has been on my radar for a while now.
Awesome ride, loved those views! I have a 2022 Husky 300 TPI te and I can get roughly 70 to 75 miles on one tank. 60 miles would suck having to always have fuel. Thanks for the content you give us all!
Thanks. The mileage on these bikes is not ideal that's for sure.
Great information, real world no BS. Thanks👍
Thanks for your support!
Nice ride bro thanks for taking me along 🙏 😊❤❤❤
Gorgeous! You really deserve more subscribers!!!
Glad you noted tank size as I was thinking of my carved model and then realized (thanks to you) that I have a much larger tank! I typically max out at 60 kms (I am 61…that’s my excuse…LOL) so not much more than that for my rides. For your bikes, I would say that is pretty good range for a smaller tank.
The total primo set up that I've found - delete the oil injector for $40 by the TSP oil delete connector - then install Acerbis 3.2 gal tank. The tank looks amazing, never gets in your way and plenty of fuel. You don't have to delete the injector but more dependable. You can use the Acerbis tank from a 2023 XC. If you delete the injector you're all done. IF you don't delete, you have to remove the fuel tank to fill oil tank, which only takes 5 min. Still a nice set up. Cheers. Thanks Greg, another great vid!!!
If you buy the tank for the TE,XCW you don't have to remove the tank. Why would you want to delete the oil injection ?
@@williamcrotts7054 Good question and thanks for asking - You want to delete that cheap injection system because they are not dependable and when that little cheap oil pump goes out you fry your motor (bottom end especially). If you premix your fuel you never have to worry about the cheap pump or something else failing like that 2 cent transfer tube. Also, the Acerbis tanks for the XCW or TE are limited and lots of places don't carry them, but you can get the one that fits the XC. I hope that helps.
@@onthethrottle7104 I had no problem getting the tank for my XCW, Slavens has them in stock. I've owned 2 TPI's and 1 TBI and I've had zero problems with injection and know of no one who has had a problem, and my dealer is the largest in the western United States .
Premix is definitely safer but I feel the oil injection system is reliable. I also like it because I only need to bring one jerry can of fuel for both the tbi and the 4t.
@@PNWEnduro No doubt it's easier not to mix fuel. The oil injection has gotten more reliable although they still use the same $100 injector motor. FYI, take a flashlight and look at where your injector motor is located, look real closely. 9 out of 10 new bikes have small leaks at the fittings, especially where the little rubber 90 comes off the injector motor.
Nice to see my 2 favorites in there. Both are super fun.
Happy 4th of July, you guys! 🎉🎉🎉🎉 Love your content !
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Another epic ride!! Thx
Great video as always. Enjoy your opinions and information. That was some beautiful views. In my opinion you should stay on the views a few seconds more; you jump away too quick. Living vicariously through your videos as I am an east coast guy.
Thanks, I'll try to think about that next time!
I recently did my first “long desert ride“. My fuel light came on at about 43 miles. I ran out of fuel at 53 miles. Honestly, very disappointed. I lean the bike over to try to get more fuel into the area of the fuel pick up and it helped a little bit but very little. The only answer I see is caring, extra fuel or putting a larger tank on. I had heard the stock map and the bike was very rich and that you could get additional mileage with a remap but I’m not certain that’s accurate. I do ride quite a bit of desert so I think fuel mileage is definitely affected by the sand versus hard packed soil. Appreciate your videos and I’m jealous of your riding area!
Noah had the tsp erm mapping on this ride and his mileage was the same as mine.
@@PNWEnduro this is the nugget I came for!
KTM just needs to put 2.7 or 2.8 gal tanks on their bike, or offer it as an option. For us in the western US it is not uncommon to ride 60 + miles at a time. 20 years ago the tanks were in the 2.8 - 3.0 gal size. If your rides consists of sub 40 miles the peanut (MX) tanks are good.
The 10L (2.6gal) tanks would probably be enough for most rides on these bikes. I know the TM TBI bikes can be ordered with a bigger thank and they look nice and are not overly bulky.
That's what the aftermarket is for isn't it? We're racing the baja 400 on one of these with a 4g tank. Should be plenty of fuel I think.
Nice ride area! I got really bad fuel economy with the stock Map on my 2024 KTM 300 EXC TBI. I then changed to a Two Stroke Performance ERM Map and medium compression head and the fuel economy improved significantly (about the same as a TPI now). With the TSP Map the bike performs much better too. Not cheap mods, but worth considering...
I believe Tech Enduro on this ride had the TSP Map but stock head, no noticeable difference in fuel economy with that.
@@PNWEnduro - My 2024 was running very rich with the stock map. It had an annoying rich burble down low at partial throttle. That's why changing to the TSP Map made a big difference...
Maybe ours came with updated mapping, I’m very happy with the throttle response. Of course there is always room for improvement.
TokyoOffroad, that is interesting information to say the least. I wondered how rich the stock mapping was but wow, didn't think the upgraded head and map would make that much difference. Great to know, thank you.
@TokyoOffroad I saw your video where you mentioned the mileage improvement. Then I see where @PNWEnduro rode the exact same trail on the exact same day against a TSP tune and got the exact same mileage. You guys aren't helping my dilemma any 😂
I used TPITuning on my TE, and best I can tell, my economy stayed the same as stock, around 25mpg. I do like the way it runs better, I feel like it REALLY woke the top end up. White map feels like the stock green map, and the new green map is spirited! I also copied Dirt Bike TV and modified/installed an XC head insert, that seemed to be beneficial also, a little crisper everywhere, even warmup seems noticeably improved, no mileage gain though. I have the TSP PV cover sitting on my bench waiting for install.
I ride mostly at 6k-7k foot elevation, go up to 12k on occasion.
Just picked up an 2024 EC300, my bike was so rich from the dealer (PDI fail) probably same dealership as you Greg. I put up a video my TPS sensor voltage was way out of whack/ check yours if you are running rich.
I noticed a massive fuel efficiency increase with my RK Tek head, granted I’m on a carb model. Highly recommended, hopefully he’s working on some TBI heads. EDIT: He’s got em for TBIs!
Put a Smart Carb 2 on your carburated KTM and you'll get even slightly better mileage.
My 2024 te300 fuel light comes on at 38-40 miles. Haven’t drained it to see the final miles yet. Might have to grab a giant loop soft bag for fuel.
I had a rented 24 GasGas EC300 TBI for Moab, UT this year.... It started running out of "useable" fuel at ~48miles, not cool 😐
Never had an issue. Got 70 miles on my 24 xcw riding Idaho and Washington. Switched to the 3.2 in August last year and have gone 120 miles. Twisting the throttle and riding hard. Racing and roaming. Love the fuel efficiency. 13 48
I wonder how much the different gearing changes fuel range. None of us are getting 70 miles on a tank, 805 had 13/51 I think it is and TechEnduro and I are on stock 13/45.
Man, I have no idea how you’re getting 70 miles out of a tank unless it’s downhill both ways!
There’s always that one guy who has a ‘special’ bike. Travis loves to brag about his magic bike and skills. Nothing stops this guy!
@@Atomic173 dam right nothing stops me. Including the imaginary fuel pickup issue as well. I really must have got a magic bike. Here I am 117 abused hours and smile ear to ear. But yea. I only brag. 🤣
@@MrDirtrdr22 your words… give it a rest already
my 24 300xc gets about 32 miles to the gallon. The stock tank just is not enough, and I hate packing gas so I put the Acerbis 3.1 gal tank on it and can go over 90 miles in the mountains. In desert sand conditions less so.
You must barely twisting the throttle! These new TBi's are junk, I get 40 miles on a tank before the fuel light comes on and then it's playing how can I get the rest of the fuel up into the fuel pump area!
@@AnonYoukno You must be doing your twisting on relatively smooth ground. Last ride I got it down to having 3cm (just over an inch) of fuel in the left lobe after the ride and no signs of fuel starvation.
@@rehepeks LOL, yeah right! I'm riding hard and when the fuel light comes on it gives me pause and then I have to do wheelies etc. and try to get more fuel into the rezy. I'm not the only one, lots of guys tell the same story! Good luck to U, but I'm out and not for just the fuel reasons. THe chassis gives way more feedback into your body compared to the old frame. KTM went backwards on this one.
I get that a lot of people see mostly 300 2strokes in hard enduro comps and think that they need one. Everything is a compromise. A 350 4stroke has way better range and I don't see any downsides on this kind of flowy trails.
My 300 four stroke gets great mileage and I’ll take it on 90% of the trails I’d take the 2t on. I love both but if I had to choose just one it’d be the two stroke.
4 strokes are awesome. Just 2 strokes are in a trend
I think you miss spelled "are the ultimate racing engine"
These new TBI's are frustrating! I get 40ish miles before the (stock tank) fuel light comes on. Add in the location of the fuel pump, meaning your now trying to aggressively get fuel into the belly of the fuel pump rezy. So your low on fuel and riding aggressively! Not a good scenario! Add in the rigid frame and I ended up selling it! Good luck! I'm back on the old frame TPI bike, yeah I know the TPI aint perfect but at least I can get 90 miles out of a big tank (riding aggressively) and the chassis doesn't feel rigid/edgy! KTM made a step backwards IMO...
You are not low on fuel when the fuel light comes on, you still have 40% left at that point, as long as you are on trails, fuel will get into the reservoir. People assume low fuel light means you are almost out but it's not the case on these bikes. I like the new chassis better than the old one, personal preference.
@@PNWEnduro Not mine, I had about 4 fingers left in the left side tank. SO maybe 5 to 10 more miles. Good luck, but I'm out. KTM went backwards...
My ‘24 250EXCF gets really good fuel economy , 140km - 160km no problem .
Yep, same with my 2023 Sherco 300SEF. Four strokes have a big advantage when it comes to mileage.
I would get away from those Gatorade bottles before you have one burst on you. I have been using MSR fuel bottles which can be purchased at REI or Amazon in various sizes for both the bike , chainsaw and bar oil. Never leak a drop and they do not expand from altitude changes or just being jostled around all the time.
I used to run a bottle on my 06 ktm300 til one day a rock thrown from a bike ahead of me burst it all over me! Never again.
Yes, I’m looking for a good alternative that will carry 1.5L in one bottle.
I do the same… Running the MSR camp stove, fuel bottles 1 L each. O-ring seal on the cap so they never leak at all.
Riding that the opposite direction is way more fun. There's actually a trail that you can make that a loop
Yes we realized that after going all the way down the other side. Next time I’ll ride it the other way for sure.
@PNWEnduro ouch. Yeah it not on most maps. Still a good workout to go down then back up
Greg, do you have the TPS, ERM installed in your bike?
I have a 23 TX 300 with TBI. I installed the ERM with the Hard Enduro maps. While it totally improved the performance of the engine, also improved fuel mileage, I estimated about 15%
I give the TSP setup about 25 tumbs up. 😅
I don’t but Noah did on this ride and his mileage was the same as mine.
I understand not giving away the trail locations but I don't see why you couldn't mention what state it's in? For those of us that don't travel much it would be nice to know what part of the country the ride is taking place.
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nice video - 60 miles? wtf 😲 i will hate having to plan rides with my mates if they get these, i ride a 500 exc and i know if push comes to shove i can meet 100 miles, 60 miles is garbage - long time ktm rider here , i suppose their argument is these are not designed for those of us who like to ride distance, most enduro / extreme races have fuel points and 60 miles is more than enough....shitty argument though and either people will be carrying fuel (yuk), buying other bikes, or adding weight vie aftermarket tanks - neither seem great to me
What gearing are you running thanks Happy 4th of July !!!!!! always great videos
Stock gearing 13/45.
Hate to beat the dead horse, but were they coasting downhill with a 1/4 of a tank that couldn't be used ? At least 60 miles is a useful range . Get you to the first gas or a station at the enduros or dual sports here in Ohio .
No, they were coasting to conserve fuel to make it back to the trucks. Bikes would still fire up no problem. 60 is okay for my local rides but in the mountains in the summer it’s not quite enough.
I agree!!!!
I was one of the other bikes. You can burn much more into it than 1/4 left. Was actually surprising it was still running with the pickup in the middle of the tank now. This would only be a problem if you were riding on a flat road where the gas couldn't splash around. 60 miles was ok for me without adding fuel and not coasting. I bring gas but just dump it in as soon as there's space in the tank not a huge issue and cheaper than an aftermarket tank
I don't understand....most any application...FI will be more fuel efficient. My 2011, 1125 hour 300 xc gets amazing mileage.
Like mentioned in the video the fuel capacity is 15% less on these vs the carb models, this will contribute to the range. 1125 hours, that's impressive!
True on the tank....I think my stock is 2.7 gal. Although I have a 4 gal. tank for big trips.
Yea its been a perfect bike. Original crank and cylinder....which is hard to believe. Lol
Have you considered an aftermarket tank or prob not a good idea because of the fuel pump “issue”?
With the larger tank, all the extra fuel is carried up high so it would not make a difference with the fuel pump. It's not an issue when you are in the trails anyway, only if you are on a road when getting low on fuel. Personally, I'd rather just carry fuel bottles and not buy a large tank.
@@PNWEnduro Yeah I actually ordered the straps you use, thanks for the suggestion.
I've seen comparisons where the IMS tank does not work well with the stock fuel pump but the Acerbis tanks and the way it is designed works great. The IMS tank hangs super low on one side and the fuel gets trapped real low.
Just buy a bigger tank at this point
I buy 11L Acerbis tank, because stock its a bitch. When you go to gas station probably your bike stop in the road, because the road is good. Now I can ride with other riders and this 11L tank is not big for enduro maybe other option tank more big it will be a stone. Thanks Acerbis !! 2025 models have the same problem, its increible.The motorbike is a great machine wasting gasoline and oil 🎉 its a carburetor motorbike. BUT the enginer is increíble low rpm ,Its great. I like this motorbike but I like more if the tank have 9,5 or 10 L and It used all gasoil, there is a liter that does not consume
Better get your miles in before everything completely shuts down for motor vehicles during fire season.
Already got some action over by LaPine...
All good so far in my area, lots of rain in June.
Oregon is silly about that. Pretty uncommon for riding to get shut down in WA during summer.
How many miles could you get out of your Sherco 300se?
Over 70 easy but the fuel tank capacity is 28% more.
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What are the straps u have on ur front fender called? Where can I get me some?
Enduro straps @Trailbound.co
@@PNWEnduro thanks! What size are yours?
Font fender straps, don't think they come in different sizes.