One little fun fact: The starter assembly as well as the pressure gauge and parts of the pump assembly seem to be directly borrowed from the Petromax HK500 lantern. Which would make sense as the two were in use in the German Bundeswehr around the same time. I would not be surprised at all if some of the parts were interchangeable.
@Odd One Out The company that produced these sorts of stoves and lanterns in Germany was Ehrich & Graetz & J. Hirshorn. Through a complicated history spanning from before WWI and through WWII and thereafter, they used the brand names Petromax, Heinze, Geniol, Aida, Hirschorn and Graezea. Further complicating things is that the company factory was located on the Eastern side of the Berlin wall post-WWII and a second version of the company formed on the Western side of the Wall thereafter. Point being, the one company was the outfit that made German lanterns and stoves for many years and market all those different brand names using the same factory specs and setups. So, no great surprise to see the similarity in parts on the military stoves and lanterns since they were made by the same single company. Parts are (mostly) interchangeable among these brands. BD
@Denton Slovacek Thanks! They are pretty well designed, alright. I have a second example I should show sometime. The Heinze-Geniol stoves are still around on German eBay but at much higher prices (and with higher Covid-caused shipping rates) than they were back 10 years ago when I got mine. The early bird gets the worm while the second mouse gets the cheese. 👍 Thanks for watching! BD
Bundeswehr sure has some awesome looking stoves. I have two of the Enders 9061 military models just because they look cool. The Heinze Geniol looks like a cooperation between Optimus/Primus and Petromax where they've made a bigger version of the Optimus 85 Loke with a casing similar to the 111, then added a Petromax pressure indicator and quick lighter. I guess they've dropped a similar windscreen as the one on the 111T due to the quick lighter. Anyways, great presentation video.
@gnukkignukk7536 Glad you like those stoves. For the record, your conjectures about cooperation are not likely to have any basis in fact. These companies likely didn't cooperate in any way to produce this stove type. Not to say other stoves may have influenced the design by the engineers who drew the plans. BD
Wow .. now that's a Stove 👍. I never knew that it ever existed .. surprising what 'Old School' Stuff is out there. Thanks for sharing. It looks like a huge distant long-lost relative of my Optimus 8R. Bought new in the 70's and still going strong. Take care ..
Yeah, I saw the pump thingy. It looked like I'd need another bag for that. I'm thinking to rebuild the pump assembly into a floating-cup Swedish-style mechanism. Or maybe just make a second assembly that could be swapped out so I don't change the Heinze for collector value. The fixed pump cup holder on the Heinze is a mistake in my opinion. Or, maybe I'm just not as energetic as those German soldiers. (Ha! Of course I'm not that energetic!) 😄 BD
@user-hq4sb6yu4i Seriously? 🫢 Okay. I’ll bite. For instructional purposes on how to find stoves… Here’s how I would go about finding one from watching this video and from reading all the information in the description box below the video. First, I’d take the title of the video, "Heinze Geniol German Army Cooker Stove”, and plug that into my handy Google search box. Hit the return key and… voila! Up comes a whole list of hits including the link to a seller on German eBay who sells them. It’s a German surplus military stove after all. Makes sense that it’d be good to search for them on German eBay. They sure aren’t cheap though. Whoa! So! I go to German eBay and search on “Heinze Geniol Kocher” (kocher is German for cooker, or stove). Voila! (again) There are four or five listings there for these stoves. Again, not cheap, especially with overseas shipping. But... They are Army surplus. They come from the German Army. You won’t find them in other countries or on Chinese auction sites. And, they are not purchase-able as a new product because they are old military vintage stoves. Makes sense now? Good. Learning and thinking skills are important in this crazy world of ours. Here’s wishing you a positive outcome and a happy life with your new searching skills. You’re welcome! 👍😎🙏 BD
Thanks for a wrll presented synopsis ✅ Why do you think this model has such good range control from simmer to high heat ? I’m looking for stove for my boat and want a reliable simmer . Love the channel !
@cloudsculptor1 The regulated silent burners used in this German military stove were among the last produced by German maker Geniol, a branch of Petromax, many long years ago. The burners are essentially copies of the original Primus designs from the 1930’s and were used in most kerosene-fueled boat stoves by Radius, Primus, Optimus, Homestrand/Kenyon and Taylors. They are designed to properly vaporize and burn light, quality, kerosene fuel. Today, they are pretty much no longer made as most boaties have long-ago transitioned to LPG. Some regulated silent kerosene burners are now coming out of India of sketchy quality. But, the good news is that with minimal care, these burners will not die. They can be rebuilt with available parts and can be cleaned if they become fouled. Long use of these burners (or any liquid fuel burner of any fuel type) at low simmers will cause the burners to clog. They can be disassembled and the sludge burned out with a torch. I have videos that show methods of cleaning burners. Burners should last forever, but, sadly, many among the boating community have foolishly taken a “replace-and-discard” approach. This is part of the reason why these antique burners are increasing in rareness and cost so much more than they did only 15 years ago. Diligent looking on eBay or other online sales site of your choice should score you all sorts and models of ready-to-sail traditional boat stoves using these types of burners. It’s on you to educate yourself on models/brands but both my RUclips videos and my website give you a good start. For further help and guidance, just email me at my free help line here: bd@berniedawg.com . BD
@Obliging Obliging شكرا لك! الموقد في هذا الفيديو هو موقد فائض للجيش الألماني. من المشكوك فيه أن تجد واحدة في الأردن. للعثور على مثل هذا الموقد ، يجب أن تراقب إحداها وتعرض عليها المزايدة على موقع eBay الألماني. جوجل “German eBay” للعثور على موقع المزاد. استخدم مصطلحات البحث "bundeswehr heinz kocher" للعثور على قوائم للمواقد المعروضة للبيع في موقع eBay الألماني ، فقد تكون المواقد باهظة الثمن.
I can do all kerosene, but we are "programmed in multiple techniques". 😉 Most of the week-or-less trips get white gas, kerosene, or even DA. Fluent with all. But, longer trips we just go with propane to avoid having to refuel at all and for a smaller transport package. I have a lot of lanterns. Don't use lanterns very often - when it gets dark I usually go to sleep, or sit up and watch the stars in the dark without 40K of lumens to hide the sky. I've never used any sort of space heater though I have examples of kero, WG and propane that function and that I could use. I bought a nice down bag a few years back. Wish I'd done it 30 years ago. Keeps me plenty toasty. Spouse has a her-sized version of the same bag. Down. The way to go. 👍 BD
Excellent video and great timing - I ordered one of these a few days ago. Do you have any thoughts on whether the rapid preheater could cause damage over the long term due to uneven heating of the burner? Some people recommend adding a wick and preheating with meths to avoid this.
You can certainly preheat with meths if you wish. I think the issues that people report using the quick lighter are bogus - caused by clumsiness and foolishness. If you stick with 90 seconds or less, the burner isn't going to get hot enough to damage brazed tubing or cause burner tube cracking. (Spoken as a guy who's brazed hundreds (thousands, now?) of burners, building them or for repairs, and who also does heat'n'air cleaning of burners.) The folks who damage their burners are probably letting the preheat go too long and/or maybe have had too much to drink (alcohol abuse is a common issue among a vocal minority of stove collectors). As I demonstrate in the vid, you can get it to operating temp in 30-45 seconds. Easy-peasy and no baloney. 😁 BD
@Hojra Hoq Well, no need to avoid a malty beverage - that's fun. 😁 But, stumble-down drunk and fire generally don't mix as I have observed from some of the noisiest of the stove posters over the years. 😎 BD
Gasoline, as in the stuff you put in an automobile, is always a very poor choice for *any* small stove these days. Too many additives and now ethanol make auto gas a really bad idea for stoves. This stove works awesome with good quality clear kerosene. Smart stove users use the fuel for which a stove is intended. BD
Nice windshield. Wouldn't say it is spendy at $29 considering these stoves are going for close to $500 on ebay.de :D. Always wanted one and some day I may find one in my price range.
@Sunnmöre Hinterland Ummm... the windshield is more than that when shipping is added. The two Heinze stoves I have were substantially less (about a third) of the price you are quoting because they were purchased back a few years when they first were hitting the surplus market. A little advice for you. Stove rule #1: If it's collectible, it won't ever go down in price. Stove rule #2: if you wait to buy it later it won't be around anymore or will cost even more than now. Honestly... you'll *never* find one in your "price range" because that "price range" is just something you made up in your head and has nothing to do with real and factual stuff like supply and demand. I've seen the attitude from lots of fellers over the years. They never get what they want and the grow angry and bellyache about it for years. Better to pony up the bucks right now for what you want or just give it up and move on to some other less $$$-demanding hobby. "It's all in what you value." - G. Harrison 1976. 😇 BD
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One little fun fact:
The starter assembly as well as the pressure gauge and parts of the pump assembly seem to be directly borrowed from the Petromax HK500 lantern. Which would make sense as the two were in use in the German Bundeswehr around the same time. I would not be surprised at all if some of the parts were interchangeable.
@Odd One Out The company that produced these sorts of stoves and lanterns in Germany was Ehrich & Graetz & J. Hirshorn. Through a complicated history spanning from before WWI and through WWII and thereafter, they used the brand names Petromax, Heinze, Geniol, Aida, Hirschorn and Graezea. Further complicating things is that the company factory was located on the Eastern side of the Berlin wall post-WWII and a second version of the company formed on the Western side of the Wall thereafter. Point being, the one company was the outfit that made German lanterns and stoves for many years and market all those different brand names using the same factory specs and setups. So, no great surprise to see the similarity in parts on the military stoves and lanterns since they were made by the same single company. Parts are (mostly) interchangeable among these brands. BD
Now that's definitely another cool stove. I haven't seen this one before.
Thanks for sharing and God bless.
You bet. BD
That bag looks similar to some East German rain camo pattern bags that I use.
Maybe both were out of the same Iron Curtain factory somewhere? BD
What an awesome stove.
@Denton Slovacek Thanks! They are pretty well designed, alright. I have a second example I should show sometime. The Heinze-Geniol stoves are still around on German eBay but at much higher prices (and with higher Covid-caused shipping rates) than they were back 10 years ago when I got mine. The early bird gets the worm while the second mouse gets the cheese. 👍 Thanks for watching! BD
BD, thanks for EN translation!
@Boson De Higgs You're welcome! BD
Nice demo Gary of a great stove, best wishes....Cam
Thanks, Cam! There are those spiffy manual translations at my website, too. BD
Thanks BD what a great stove. Really like the wind cover bowl. Thanks for sharing the video and the manual
Thanks, Jack. Took a gamble on the windshield bowl thingy. Really like 'em. BD
Thank you for sharing BD - love your videos!
Thank you for watching! BD
Bundeswehr sure has some awesome looking stoves. I have two of the Enders 9061 military models just because they look cool.
The Heinze Geniol looks like a cooperation between Optimus/Primus and Petromax where they've made a bigger version of the Optimus 85 Loke with a casing similar to the 111, then added a Petromax pressure indicator and quick lighter. I guess they've dropped a similar windscreen as the one on the 111T due to the quick lighter.
Anyways, great presentation video.
@gnukkignukk7536 Glad you like those stoves. For the record, your conjectures about cooperation are not likely to have any basis in fact. These companies likely didn't cooperate in any way to produce this stove type. Not to say other stoves may have influenced the design by the engineers who drew the plans. BD
Outstanding!
Thank you! Cheers! BD
Awesome video! Just used your silent cap on my trangia X2 up in RMNP. Wonderful :)
Wow .. now that's a Stove 👍.
I never knew that it ever existed .. surprising what 'Old School' Stuff is out there. Thanks for sharing.
It looks like a huge distant long-lost relative of my Optimus 8R. Bought new in the 70's and still going strong.
Take care ..
A bit more like the 111T since it's a kerosene burner, but you are in the ballpark alrighty. BD
The East German Sturmgepäck (assault pack) fits this stove like it was made for it. I own both.
What an awesome stove👌
I have the windshield and I went for pump adaptor as well. Speeds things up considerably.
Yeah, I saw the pump thingy. It looked like I'd need another bag for that. I'm thinking to rebuild the pump assembly into a floating-cup Swedish-style mechanism. Or maybe just make a second assembly that could be swapped out so I don't change the Heinze for collector value. The fixed pump cup holder on the Heinze is a mistake in my opinion. Or, maybe I'm just not as energetic as those German soldiers. (Ha! Of course I'm not that energetic!) 😄 BD
@@BernieDawgCinema If you do modify the pump or build a new one, it would be interesting to see how you do it.
@Hojra Hoq Roger that. A conversion video would be a good excuse to show how pumps work, too. It's on the list. Stay tuned. (Sorry I'm not faster.) BD
Best I have seen so far.
Bad part is that I cannot get to purchase one of these stove. Where are they?
@user-hq4sb6yu4i Seriously? 🫢 Okay. I’ll bite. For instructional purposes on how to find stoves… Here’s how I would go about finding one from watching this video and from reading all the information in the description box below the video.
First, I’d take the title of the video, "Heinze Geniol German Army Cooker Stove”, and plug that into my handy Google search box. Hit the return key and… voila!
Up comes a whole list of hits including the link to a seller on German eBay who sells them. It’s a German surplus military stove after all. Makes sense that it’d be good to search for them on German eBay.
They sure aren’t cheap though. Whoa!
So! I go to German eBay and search on “Heinze Geniol Kocher” (kocher is German for cooker, or stove).
Voila! (again) There are four or five listings there for these stoves. Again, not cheap, especially with overseas shipping.
But... They are Army surplus. They come from the German Army. You won’t find them in other countries or on Chinese auction sites. And, they are not purchase-able as a new product because they are old military vintage stoves.
Makes sense now? Good. Learning and thinking skills are important in this crazy world of ours. Here’s wishing you a positive outcome and a happy life with your new searching skills. You’re welcome! 👍😎🙏 BD
God damn it Gary, of course now I want to find one of those fabulous bags for mine! 😂😂
Yup. They don't cost a lot and are still plentiful. The stove collectors creed: "Wait too long and they'll all be gone." 😉 BD
Yep I ordered two.
Woo-HOO! 😄 BD
Thanks for a wrll presented synopsis ✅
Why do you think this model has such good range control from simmer to high heat ?
I’m looking for stove for my boat and want a reliable simmer .
Love the channel !
@cloudsculptor1
The regulated silent burners used in this German military stove were among the last produced by German maker Geniol, a branch of Petromax, many long years ago. The burners are essentially copies of the original Primus designs from the 1930’s and were used in most kerosene-fueled boat stoves by Radius, Primus, Optimus, Homestrand/Kenyon and Taylors. They are designed to properly vaporize and burn light, quality, kerosene fuel. Today, they are pretty much no longer made as most boaties have long-ago transitioned to LPG. Some regulated silent kerosene burners are now coming out of India of sketchy quality. But, the good news is that with minimal care, these burners will not die. They can be rebuilt with available parts and can be cleaned if they become fouled. Long use of these burners (or any liquid fuel burner of any fuel type) at low simmers will cause the burners to clog. They can be disassembled and the sludge burned out with a torch. I have videos that show methods of cleaning burners. Burners should last forever, but, sadly, many among the boating community have foolishly taken a “replace-and-discard” approach. This is part of the reason why these antique burners are increasing in rareness and cost so much more than they did only 15 years ago. Diligent looking on eBay or other online sales site of your choice should score you all sorts and models of ready-to-sail traditional boat stoves using these types of burners. It’s on you to educate yourself on models/brands but both my RUclips videos and my website give you a good start. For further help and guidance, just email me at my free help line here: bd@berniedawg.com . BD
Where can I get a NEW ONE PLEASE
@ROVER www.ebay.de/itm/390826269351
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لديك الكثير يا صديقي من الابداع باركك الله 🌹🌹
@Obliging Obliging
شكرا لك!
الموقد في هذا الفيديو هو موقد فائض للجيش الألماني. من المشكوك فيه أن تجد واحدة في الأردن.
للعثور على مثل هذا الموقد ، يجب أن تراقب إحداها وتعرض عليها المزايدة على موقع eBay الألماني. جوجل “German eBay” للعثور على موقع المزاد.
استخدم مصطلحات البحث "bundeswehr heinz kocher" للعثور على قوائم للمواقد المعروضة للبيع في موقع eBay الألماني ، فقد تكون المواقد باهظة الثمن.
So are you ‘all kerosene’ for the over landing gear? Lanterns and such as well? Do you use any type of space heater?
I can do all kerosene, but we are "programmed in multiple techniques". 😉 Most of the week-or-less trips get white gas, kerosene, or even DA. Fluent with all. But, longer trips we just go with propane to avoid having to refuel at all and for a smaller transport package. I have a lot of lanterns. Don't use lanterns very often - when it gets dark I usually go to sleep, or sit up and watch the stars in the dark without 40K of lumens to hide the sky. I've never used any sort of space heater though I have examples of kero, WG and propane that function and that I could use. I bought a nice down bag a few years back. Wish I'd done it 30 years ago. Keeps me plenty toasty. Spouse has a her-sized version of the same bag. Down. The way to go. 👍 BD
NICE!!!!
Excellent video and great timing - I ordered one of these a few days ago. Do you have any thoughts on whether the rapid preheater could cause damage over the long term due to uneven heating of the burner? Some people recommend adding a wick and preheating with meths to avoid this.
You can certainly preheat with meths if you wish. I think the issues that people report using the quick lighter are bogus - caused by clumsiness and foolishness. If you stick with 90 seconds or less, the burner isn't going to get hot enough to damage brazed tubing or cause burner tube cracking. (Spoken as a guy who's brazed hundreds (thousands, now?) of burners, building them or for repairs, and who also does heat'n'air cleaning of burners.) The folks who damage their burners are probably letting the preheat go too long and/or maybe have had too much to drink (alcohol abuse is a common issue among a vocal minority of stove collectors). As I demonstrate in the vid, you can get it to operating temp in 30-45 seconds. Easy-peasy and no baloney. 😁 BD
@@BernieDawgCinema Thanks for the advice! I'll try to be careful, stay off the sauce and hope for the best 😄
@Hojra Hoq Well, no need to avoid a malty beverage - that's fun. 😁 But, stumble-down drunk and fire generally don't mix as I have observed from some of the noisiest of the stove posters over the years. 😎 BD
Awesome camp stove. Can it run well using gasoline?
Gasoline, as in the stuff you put in an automobile, is always a very poor choice for *any* small stove these days. Too many additives and now ethanol make auto gas a really bad idea for stoves. This stove works awesome with good quality clear kerosene. Smart stove users use the fuel for which a stove is intended. BD
Cool stove. The priming burner is interesting.
Did the stove come with the silent cap or is it one of yours?
Not one of mine. That's a Geniol standard silent burner with Geniol inner and outer silent caps. 👍 BD
Nice windshield. Wouldn't say it is spendy at $29 considering these stoves are going for close to $500 on ebay.de :D.
Always wanted one and some day I may find one in my price range.
@Sunnmöre Hinterland Ummm... the windshield is more than that when shipping is added. The two Heinze stoves I have were substantially less (about a third) of the price you are quoting because they were purchased back a few years when they first were hitting the surplus market. A little advice for you. Stove rule #1: If it's collectible, it won't ever go down in price. Stove rule #2: if you wait to buy it later it won't be around anymore or will cost even more than now.
Honestly... you'll *never* find one in your "price range" because that "price range" is just something you made up in your head and has nothing to do with real and factual stuff like supply and demand. I've seen the attitude from lots of fellers over the years. They never get what they want and the grow angry and bellyache about it for years. Better to pony up the bucks right now for what you want or just give it up and move on to some other less $$$-demanding hobby. "It's all in what you value." - G. Harrison 1976. 😇 BD
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