Movies & TV's Most Unrealistic Grand Gestures: Dates, Proposals, $$$ Gifts, & more
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- Опубликовано: 26 июн 2024
- The Romantic Grand Gesture is one major romance trope that film and TV just can't get enough of. From filling a room with candles or bouquets of flowers to orchestrating a flash mob proposal, there are some wild romantic gestures in media that are so unrealistic they’re almost laughable, but... we love them nonetheless! Let’s take a minute to zoom out and take a look at all sides of this trope, unpack some of the most ridiculous dates and grand gestures in film and TV, who gets to experience them, and why this trope often conveys the wrong message about love.
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CHAPTERS
00:00 Intro
01:10 $$$ Grand Gestures
03:39 Movie-perfect (and often Hollywood-budgeted) dates
05:18 The epic proposal (and giant ring)
07:44 The darker side of grand gestures...
10:27 Who got to experience grand gestures on screen (& how it's changing)
13:49 Why we love grand gestures (but shouldn't focus on them too much...)
The Take was created by Debra Minoff & Susannah McCullough
This video was produced by Jessica Babineaux, written by Stevie Lazarus, narrated by Charly Bovina, and edited by Travis Martin 
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For more on the darker side of love and romance on screen, check out our video analyzing the Love Bomber Trope: ruclips.net/video/086XBiXqt1s/видео.html
This going to be on Spotify?
Gen Z and Millennials arent the only generation that experience life and love ..just a suggestion
I've always cringed at public proposals and grand romantic gestures in fiction. It always feels like you're pressured into accepting, otherwise you'd heavily disappoint or embarrass your partner.
Me too. Like, do it in private. Can you imagine going to a movie theater and some random person starts singing before the movie to their partner?
At least first talk about wanting to get married in the first place, to feel if you both on the same line😅 @@kamsismith
Here in Mexico, those kind of gestures are as cringe as they can be. Oh, what am I saying? They’re SUPER cringe 😬. Middle and high schoolers confessing to their crushes using cardboard signs with “¿Quieres ser mi novia?” written and flowers while a friend is recording EVERYTHING.
It's the other end of the horseshoe of breaking up in public so the other person doesn't freak out
I once read that a proposal can be a surprise, an engagement shouldn't be. Like the couple should've 100% discussed wanting to get married (and hopefully what kind of proposal they would be comfortable with) and the actual proposal / ASKING is the surprise.
I'm going to say it. The most romantic thing you can do for a significant other is paying off their student loans.
YES 😂😂
Having student loans is a big red flag ⛳
@@lorenzomizushal3980 Then a good chunk of my generation will be single forever. And the next generation.
Lol so a gold digger
@@MissmagazineburaDude, you’d seen college tuition, right?
As a woman, I find them so "embarassing". I much prefer the small gestures ❤
They also created so much pressure!!!
A friend once offered to clean my shower drain. I don‘t even care if it‘s romantic but it‘s definitely grand😂
Is your friend available? Can I marry them? 🤣
I like the line in "Easy A": "If I promise not to tell anyone, could I kiss you right now?" - That's exactly how it should be: between the two of them. All those public proposals and stuff seem to me like showing off to other people.
Great comment! 👋🏻 After thinking about this video, I came to the conclusion that grand gestures are a lazy short cut. I won't say they are wrong 100% of the time but in general such public gestures feel intrusive. In movies they work because well these are movies and the scene is written with the intent to work (most of the time). But in real life, many people don't like public attention. I hate it. I would never do such a thing in public and I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end as well. 🫣
Also such gestures feel manipulative. You almost force your significant other to say "yes" because people are looking. I mean, it depends if it is a public proposol (that has been mentioned before or is expected) or just a thing to get the girls attention. Still why go big? If both partners are the kind of people that enjoy such a gesture, fine. But not to manipulate, push, lazy short cut what you want onto the other person. Or to show off. I think the thought behind it is that going big will give the relationship a boost and the likelihood of it working out will increase. I have serious doubts.
Yea, but then think about the people that weren't allowed to show their affection in public.
@@RoninRen Loving someone is not about showing others, it's about showing the person one loves. People showing affection in public are showing off, not showing each other affection. It's like they are saying "Look who I'm dating, losers!" or at least that's the impression they give me. For that reason, I wouldn't do it myself.
@@AndreiPopescu alright(I guess because I was just overthinking about, emotional repression and the psychology of touch starved), but am just saying it was/sometimes is a real thing, that people even when they just held hands in public, if it didn't get them criticized, it actually got them arrested,
@@AndreiPopescu(Also where exactly did, love as a status symbol originate?)and truthful scholars can back you up, that the only people that could attempt the flashy gestures, rich people (granted it probably harkens back to how it was mostly political marriages, that families would show off their wealth, like it was tax deductible)
It's the day-to-day, small gestures that truly manner. A rare, large gesture really means nothing if you don't have the small ones. When someone makes you a cup of tea, or massages your temples when you're tired, takes care of some of your errands when you're busy (even though they're busy, too), leaves a sweet note somewhere you'll find it, drops off coffee or a snack for you at work, or hugs you when you need support...these 'little' things matter. They add up over time to a kind, thoughtful, supportive relationship that has a real chance at surviving the long haul.
I rejected a guy once. I liked him enough as a friend but told him "i dont any butterflies with you" the next say i come home to dind a jar of butterflies on my porch with a note that said something like "hopefully these can make up for the butterflies" like ... I felt instantly nauseous. He completely disrespected my feelings and tried to "buy my love" my mom thought it was so sweet and i felt incredibly unsafe after that
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He was trying to be romantic. It wasn't buying your love as there was no money involved. A jar of butterflies is not a diamond ring or a wad of cash.
Maybe you led him on a bit too. Would you own up to that?
Ultimately, even if you had butterflies for him, it doesn't last forever. Real love that lasts a lifetime is more about enduring some tough times with that person, not letting them down, and hard work. Butterflies and chemistry are just are hormones.
@@ant713m yea, your entire comment kinda proves the videos point. You're right, he was trying to be romantic, but it was after I already expressed my intentions that I just wanted to be friends and I did not "lead him on" and even if he thought I did, that doesn't excuse him ignoring my verbal non-consent to a relationship. And you can absolutely buy buy people off or buy or sway their affections with favors, actions, and emotions. Not everything is monetary.
@ashiebmast72 Yes, but you were not bought off, were you? You said you didn't have butterflies, so he left a jar of butterflies on your doorstep. He hardly broke into your house and threatened you with an axe. I don't think this is a consent issue, as he didn'tforce you to do anything.
You are making it a way bigger issue than it is. Perhaps if you clearly just said, " I'm not interested in you. Please don't attempt to contact me in any manner again, I will not change my mind" it would have been better. You obviously did go on a few dates so it's not like you were some random stranger who had zero interest.
A lot of relationships require either person to make a bit of an effort, lots of ppl break up and make up again. He was trying to convince you, but I don't think that's wrong, otherwise no relationships would last if either person never tried. If it was damage to your property, physically harmful I'd get it, but I feel you're being a bit extra.
Also, I'm female, so I get the concern but if he was that awful you wouldn't have gone on a single date.
@@ant713m we never went out. We hung out a few times, as friends as previously stated, but never went on a date. People need to learn to take no for an answer. No doesn't mean "convince me." And women should be able to be friends with men and not have to worry about them "trying to win them" period. Platonic friendships are a valid form of relationship.
But whatever. You do you. Live your best life. I've been with my me husband for 10 years and am very happy to not have to navigate that whole dating thing anymore.
Grand proposal CAN be romantic if the person being proposed to actually wants it and it's to their tastes. For example, if my potential partner took me to a park and made me a part of a musical number (I love musicals) which would lead to them proposing, I would absolutely love that. However, if they arranged some sort of super elaborate proposal in the middle of a busy supermarket, I'd be mortified. You have to actually know your partner if you want to propose.
And uh..Grand gestures are kinda icky if you're not even together with the person you give them to. 😅
I wrote a book with the idea of a guy thinking if he did big gestures the girl would like him. It was written in the woman's perspective (3rd person though to have scenes without her in it), at first she thought they were okay, but after a while it gets scarier and scarier until the point where he breaks into her place to kidnap her to go to a cabin in the woods so they would fall in love there. The best friend breaks into his house to find out that he was totally into the woman and walls were covered in movie pictures and pictures of her and him photoshopped together. The friend then tries to get the cops to help as she tries to save her friend. It was a fun book to write. I watched a lot of romantic movies to write it.
What is the Name of the book? I Like to read it
After years of therapy 😅 I learned most grand gestures are red flags 😂
Yeah, ITS a way of creating pressure and often focusing on the compleatly wrong things
@@SingingSealRiana CRIMSON FLAGS actually
Romantic gestures are nothing but emotional blackmail.
Like, "How can you say no to the guy after what he did for you?"
In theory, quite easily. However, you're going to look heartless and cruel in public. Unless you reject it by blatantly and publicly pointing out that it's emotional blackmail, and there's no guarantee of success there
as a woman, i find the big romantic gestures so embarrassing, with the focus of everyone looking at you, i mean if your into that type of thing, then fantastic. but the best romantic gestures, are the simple ones. the little things that show that you care.
Last year my husband bought me new tires. It was the best gesture ever. ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
My ex bought me a men's bike...which I hated, it was ugly and burgundy. I hope these were really nice tyres ha ha
The best way to express your love is via little things, such as words of affirmation, or quality time together, not big, flashy romantic gestures.
This and making sure your credit is good.
Very true, but ironically for some people just the little things can feel like it's a grand romantic gesture alone,
Honestly, the best way IS the way that most suits your Partner. Like when your Love language IS acts of service but they really need words of Affirmation, learning what they need and compromising Shows you really care for them, know them and are willing to Put effort into IT in a way, that IS proportional and actually helpful in a way grand gestures plain are Not. Everyone IS a Bit different in what they need and apriciate or how they Express . . .
And you'd know all about being in love, right?
1:43 Heath Ledger should’ve been in more rom-coms. He’s hilarious.
I concur 👏🧐 he certainly gave off the air of an infectiously charming & genuine individual. I bet he would've done some fun movies later on. He was young and wanted to be taken seriously for his art. All in all, we definitely got beautiful, stellar performances from him.
We'll always have 10 Things I Hate About You & A Knight's Tale ✨️😘✌️💖✨️
Wash the plates without asking, and take the bins without asking common sense. Do what you say you are going to do.
2:34 There’s a Hindi film called ‘Kal Ho Na No’ where a main character (Rohit) tries to buy a gift for a potential partner. He wants to gift her a necklace which costs a bomb. He opts for a few flowers instead. I thought that was hilarious.
once a boy scored a goal and revealed a shirt with my name and hearts on it and even if i was young and impressionable, this public spectacle had me so uncomfortable i couldn't look at him the same way
I feel you. I myself don't like public attention at all. It makes me mega nervous. While that guy probably didn't have harmful intentions, I think his behaviour was intrustive. He forcefully pushed himself into your private life. I'm not saying public gestures are always bad or wrong. It depends on the persons involved. To me it reads that this boy didn't know much about you and he just tried to take the short cut by trying to win you over with a public guesture. I think that's what it is: A short cut!
Movies need shortcuts and straight lines and beautiful Hollywood gestures that push the story foward because they don't have unlimited time. Real life isn't a race. I mean, if this guy knew you and you two had talked and he was under the impression that you would like such a public gesture, that would be fine. But if he just chose the lazy approach by spending money or time onto some fantasy element (even a song would apply), it feels (very) wrong. You should like someone for who he are and not because of how many flowers s/he bought.
Interestingly enough, I don't watch too many romcoms but I accepted the ones I enjoyed as how they are. Of course you could analyze every movie you watch to death all day long and see how realistic it is. But it is interesting that we as the audience take the "romantic gestures" trope as a normal thing while it isn't common or even unrealistic among normal people. And then it becomes a real thing, either because people believe that romance is like in the movies and/or because your social environment has had big weddings and rings and expensive honeymoon etc. and you don't want to be the "I rather safe the money for things we need" kinda person. Or talk about Valentine's Day, why should you only give flowers on that special day a year?
This is a good analysis. Being almost 40 now, I just want someone who works on themselves constantly, doesn't cheat, who has a moral compass and a nice bubble but. A romantic gesture for me is acknowledging shortcomings and going to therapy. Let's leave the crazyness for the movies so we can enjoy it without expecting that stuff in real life. If you show up at work with a band, I'm getting a restraining order.
6:58 Hahaha I love that mocking tone
If my boyfriend proposed to me in public I would say no and run away immediately lol
I wouldn't put Downton Abbey and Chandler and Monica's proposals alongside the others scenes featured in your video, because we are the only audience, whereas usually grand gestures imply a public audience, and to me that makes for an entirely different mood. We feel privileged to be sharing this intimate moment, it's somehow modest, despite the kneeling and the formal ritual of proposing.
I always appreciate how you make us give a second thought to familiar cultural tropes, AND recommend some great movies and shows to watch in the process!❤
I find, as a woman, i see this 'need for a grand romantic gesture' thing worming into men's brains a lot more than women's. I'd be perfectly happy for a date to just be grabbing a cup of coffee, but I have found more than once i've been on dates where the guy had tried to create a magical meet cute atmosphere by doing something quirky, or buying romantic gifts before the relatinoship is really at that stage. it creates a lot of pressure on you as the woman to respond positively, and it often feels very insincere - like these guys have watched Love Actually and think if they just press the 'romantic gesture' button enough times that it will fast track a woman into loving them. its overwhelming
I think the effort is what is worth. The details that showed both listened to each other, even in what some people would call superfluous. I think the prove of love is respect.
It doesn't need a diamond centrepiece to be an engagement ring, any gemstone the person likes should do.
Or any gemstone that they somehow found anywhere(seriously I myself once found an amethyst, literary on a dirt road) like that one couple that found a pearl in their oyster dinner,
My proposal wasn't big and elaborate. Hell, it was more on the whim but I still loved it. I got to pick out my engagement and wedding ring with my fiancée and he even made a little highlighter ring on my finger before hand (which was signifgant because he remembered a scene from a book I read). He then told me how I was originally planning to propose. It was more of a bigger grand gesture but still very simple. I like the simplicity of a proposal and making it more about two people who want to share their lives together than about trying to impress or be flashy.
This doesn't really have to do with this video specifically, but I'm just so glad this channel exists. I've been subbed for years now and am always impressed by the quality of discussion/analysis/insight/etc. Just wanted to say that.
I wouldn’t like the flowers since I’m allergic to pollen
‘Fire Island’ is indeed awesome! I’m so happy we’re rooting for it.
I'd say, know the person you hope to propose to. If they are more introverted or struggle with public anxiety, doing a big public proposal is a good way to bring the person you're proposing to to shut you out.
I love this! 💕 Happy Valentines Day everyone! Remember you are worthy of love and happiness! 🥰
On Friends, Monica was the one who had instigated the grand romantic gesture, with the candles, not Chandler. It isn't always men who make these kinds of gestures, in fiction. She had started proposing to him, but when it had proven too emotional for her, he finished. It was both funny and touching. And while most people can't afford to engage in these kinds of gestures in real life, they are entertaining to watch.
The problem is I had my Before Sunrise experience haha
Thank you for this!! 💯💯
5:46 Omg this was so effing adorable
11:01 I’m already swooning.
I hate the romantic grand gestures😫😞 its all a gigantic🚩🚩🚩🚩to me if its done after a fight/arguement its like saying "I know I did something awful, but rather than work on it look at the circus show I put on for the whole world to see, now you'll be a jerk if you dont forgive me"😑😑
Its manipulative, if you really love someone you try to make an effort and work on the relationship.
Its the same with public proposals if they're your thing? FABULOUS!! but if they're not? you just put your SO in the worlds most uncomfortable scene where saying no isn't an option unless you want to risk the end of the relationship😨😨
I dont get why so many ppl disliked the Chandler/Monica proposal but the idea of popping the question while in private surrounded by candles, maybe not a million of them honestly I'd be paranoid of a fire hazard but that is how I wished I'd get propossed to, just something private not a Beyonce live performance show
hey, here's a crazy idea - you can do both!
That grand flower gesture my now BIL sent to my sister which meant our house was filled with roses? Let's just say clean up was a nightmare.
Anything with writing in the sky is pretty hard to book (and time perfectly). But writing on a scoreboard during a ballgame? Surprisingly easy
4:21 basically the narrator is saying "lower your standards"
7:33 the narrator literally says "lower your expectations" 😂
Because its so psycho
Love Jones, at last!!! Thank you!!!!!
Yes, and people fantasize about it. Especially, when your a kid, and in your teens and twenties.
Maybe I’m alone in this but ‘Never Been Kissed’ was quite an interesting meta version of ‘grand gestures’. More recently, we’ve had ‘Easy A’, ‘I Love You, Beth Cooper’ (very underrated) and ‘Bottoms’.
Crazy Stupid Love fits this niche, too. It’s also a fantastic movie. It’s full of characters who try to find happiness through big gestures and rehearsed pick up routines but end up finding it in little, human moments instead. The best scene is between Jacob, a playboy, and Hannah, who rejects him repeatedly until her boyfriend tries to hire her for a job when she expected him to propose. In a rage, she finds Jacob and demands to go home with him. Once they get there both of them try to follow the routine that would lead to a one night stand, but instead they get sidetracked and end up talking all night and being emotionally intimate instead of physically. It’s one of my favorite scenes in any movie ever, because you watch them fall in love with each other as they try out Jacob’s expensive massage chair he’s never used and laugh about TV commercials and ask each other about their families. It’s sweet and honest and the two are played by Ryan Gosling and Emma Stone, who fucking nail these roles. The rest of the movie is good, too, and funny as hell, with genuinely one of the greatest plot twists in cinema as a whole.
Edit: also since you mention Bottoms (which I haven’t seen yet but it’s on the list!) I think Blockers and Booksmart also have tropes that fit what you’re describing.
Immediately thought of 10 Things I Hate About You when I saw the title of this video!
It is fundamentally romantic for a man to think about something you’d like, plan it, and see it through…but it can be something as humble and practical as preparing a meal or completing a home repair!
‘Rye Lane’ seems awesome. It reminds me of ‘Open Water’, atleast on a surface.
This going to be on Spotify?
My heart everytime someone recommends Rye Lane 👍🏽💜
Love the reality checking. 🤟
My husband worked his proposal into the opening of a professional theater production in front of several hundred people. He knew the lead actor, and they planned the scene. It was my birthday, and we had a block of seats, so all the people I cared about most were there, including his parents and mine, and everyone but me was in on the plan. To this day, ten years later, I'm amazed my mom could avoid spoiling the surprise!
Aziraphale and Crowley at the Ritz was a perfect ending ❤
I enjoy them in movies they are way of living in your fantasy. I am not invested in Lorelai’s love life but I loved Maxs proposal with the Daisys. Actually the Friends proposal is not that expensive I am pretty sure if I gathered every candle I bought over the years I can fill my house with them
12:53 people have always been allowed to display their love publicly, hmm maybe because that alone was the fantasy, when you think about how emotionally repressed and starved people technically were/are.
O maior gesto foi da Lena Luthor, em Supergirl, para a sua "amiga". Onde ela comprou uma companhia de mídia para ela não perder o emprego. Além do escritório cheio das flores preferidas.
The bigger the proposal, the bigger the wedding and an even bigger divorce.
In one of my stories, an excentric baronness organises a context for Valentine's day: a group of men is invited to try to make the best romantic gesture. She and a very unorthodox young teacher will be the judges. All the candidates try to do big romantic gestures, like being almost naked despite the cold, and are mocked by the two women. Then comes the teacher's lover, a Black young man from a poor family. He doesn't wear fancy clothes, just ordinary clothes plus the coat he borrowed from her and instead of singing or saying crazy things, he tells her how he never stopped thinking about her since their first meeting and that while he was working in cold, her image was enough to warm him. He's granted the victory and the baroness gives the lovers the rings she and her husband wore when they were engaged.
Imo romantic love shouldn't even ever be about those dramatic grand gestures of "love" cause this kind of behaviour could end up being love-bombing in disguise, while romantic couples can still spend non-dramatic quality time outside of couple-duties they should still remember that their sole-reason for being romantically/sexually together is to procreate, not to be put on a pedestal by a society that has nothing better to do, they ain't that special.
Edit:cause trust me you can't just indulge yourself in any form of irresponsibility or debauchery when you have a child looking up to you for guidance and care.
Fire Island is such funny movie :)
Only here to support the channel. I hate rom-coms and this is a major reason why. Much of what is show is extremely unrealistic. I do realize that people usually got to the movies to be entertained and to forget their troubles for a bit, This vid, plus the love-bombing video, show how dangerous these behaviors can be when replicated in the real world.
Love & Basketball is not a love story 😂
A Knight's Tale did it right. It was what she wanted and it was all for her not him.
My now husband proposed to me at home in the kitchen with our dog…that’s romantic x
By what stretch of the imagination is Paris Blues a RomCom?
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Fiction is fiction. It’s fine to like romance and grand gestures and maybe even wanting them.
Come back to the bojack horseman videos and make one about mrpeanutbutter and todd pleaseeeeeee
I'm late to rhis, but i have a general rule about romantic gestures. If it's in the movies or on TV, it's probably not a good idea irl.
I once gave my wife a rose at the airport when she came to a new country from her motherland and she didnt like it. She smiled at the airport and was angry at home for embarassing her in public! I could have eaten 4 sandwiches with that rose money!
"Typically a Hollywood budget"😅😅
They say that straight couple always had permission tondisplay their love
That is not true at all! For a very long time holding hands was considered to be scandalous and kissing in public was almost a crime. Only in 20th century the rules started to change a bit
i also hate valentimes!
Whenever I meet women and their values in love reflect this video, it's a big "goodbye" from me.
Rom coms just outright suck
It also shows the continuous gender imbalance cuz you almost never see the grand romantic gesture from the women
Both in the expectation He has to do something grand AS well AS that forgivness and making Up IS only formen, If she messed Up she IS Not worth IT.
Usually the grandngesture of women IS plain giving Up anything for the Guy and becomeing His trophy
8:41 if your relationship in reality is based off of something you see in a fictional film then you are not at the maturity level to be in a relationship.
This is such a typical trope to get viewership from girls/women. This plot of a everyday nextdoor clumsy girl gets attention from a rich + successful + handsome + available man has done more harm to relationships than Tinder and Bumble.
Valentine’s Day is for secret lovers so I’ve never understood why couples or married people celebrate it
I think you just answered your own question,
1:48 whhhhy are you comparing acts (which are free) to spending money? 🤔
Women still think these tropes are real life. That hasn't changed.
Only intelligent and mature people live in reality. Grand gesture in movies/television are expensive and grandeur because it’s fictional. Stick to what you wanna do and within your budget.
A lot of you all must’ve grew up actually falling for Disney movies. Love is not defined by moment, its journey. Remember that!
You can do grand gestures on a budget. All about planning and being clever.
why is it usually the guy who makes the grand gesture and never the girl?
Cause girls are trophys To be won or bought and Like they Said, ITS usually the "emotionally unavailable Guy" WHO has to make Up for something, while If she Had done anything wrong, she would Not BE Wörth of the romances anyway . . . .
WE are way more willing to forgiven Guys, cause they try, then women cause they should have known better. The Incannfix them mentality pretty much exclusivly applies to men and in cases one wants to apply IT to women, Most often there IS a Twist, that the men was wrong in thinking He could Change her for the better
Because women are trophys To be won or bought and ITS usually the "emotionally unavailable Guy) that has to make Up for something since If the Problem lay with her, she were Not worth the romance. WE are way more willing to forgive guys. The reformed badboy IS so comment, but attempts to reform women usually end with the narrative IT was a Trap or stupid to try. The whole Madonna whore Thing . . .a womans great gestures IS giving Up everything to becomes His trophy . . .
Because when women do it they are needy bunny boilers
Buying your SO a house or a car is not romantic. It is a huge financial imbalance.
I use to spend $300-$400 on Valentine’s Day and got layed with my girlfriend. But after gotten married, no deal that is a sure thing! After my divorce initiated by her, I live in a studio apartment now, ignore Valentine’s Day and cannot afford to date!
It was disgust shame on you
You’re so slow
Another bitter anti woman take from The Take 🙄 yall claim men run the world (which means they have the money) and now you're trying to tell them how to spend it 😂 leave men to handle their own pockets, thank you. It's giving mum hovering over her son when he recieves his allowance 😂
Edit: obviously lovebombing is a thing but you should see it coming a mile away. I've been lovebombed and all i did was take the money and run 🏃♀️
. . . .this IS Not anti Woman in the slightest Just because IT IS Not AS extreamly biased in favor of women AS some others
They’re not telling anyone what to do, they’re pointing out troubling messages in films because media affects society.
And victim blaming is never a good look.
@@mschrisfrank2420holding women accountable for their actions (which also harm other women and girls) is not victim blaming. It's almost as if women want this subjugation of their own kind to continue generation after generation.
@@SingingSealRianait's very anti woman to tell women to not have standards or expectations from men they are involved with it. It's very anti woman to compare FICTION to the reality that women are living every day. This is why I say women hate women too
@@healingv1sion Expecting nothing is for the best unless you wanna have an over the top disappointment. Too much expectations are lately being for nothing
This is a prime example of liberal women getting ran through and now attempting to act like they are traditional with morals and values, trying to get into a traditional woman's place. Expect the reputation of prudent women to plummet this year as these women try and find dignity and respect, but never from themselves, always from the rest of society. I'm tired.
What are you even talking about? You sound like you need to touch some grass.
You're bitter too
@@jenni4clairepeople really need to look up the definition of words that they use 🙄 bitter doesn't mean what you think it does, it actually proves my point even more 😂
@@user-ny1wo1vp9rstick around long enough, you'll see 😂 it is what it is, the truth is getting more exposed everyday