Technics SL1200mk7 review from DJ point of view
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- Опубликовано: 12 янв 2024
- Technics SL1200mk7 review from DJ point of view. Pointing on the main design flaws and giving usage impressions from DJ perspective. I am not a pro reviewer or media person and English is not my native, so you have to take this in mind.
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Wow ! I thought I was only DJ thinking same things, my MK2’s still work after taking hard fall from crazy girl friend many years ago , I almost broke her fucking neck too ! I just bought one MK7 after your review I’m thinking of returning it . Great review and we all appreciate your time to explain what you found Good day sir 👍🏼
crazy bitches and nice decks don't go together...
Lol that's the craziest story ive heard so far! So how do you like mk7?
@@champain7357 I returned it for refund after doing full inspection , I agree with you MK7 is trash 🗑️ it can not compare with real Technics , and yes platter did not seem completely flat like my real Technics few days later I bought two beautiful MK3D from a woman for $1200
MK3D is a japan market model afaik. Are they 120V 60Hz? Do you use converters to power them or live in the USA?
This is probably one of the best and accurate reviews I've seen. Ive had 3 pairs of turntables, omnitronic (totally torqueless analogue locked a mixed perfectly) technics 1210 (biggest regret selling 20years ago) and audio technica at-lp140xp (hanpin motor constantly having to adjust the pitch and also fighting the turntable as when I slowed it down it caught back up again)
Seeing both turntables together like that showcases how bad modern equipment is
I like your description of the digital pitch control where it's a step up each time the hanpin models resolution is not great
Looking forward to more of your reviews👍
I have the same. What's your experience. Mine mk7 is a little bit different. It's from 2023 and i have the black version. That's all good
thankyou very much for pointing out thre build quality.i almost bought a pair 2 years ago ,lifted up the turntable with a finger.thats all i needed to do to know how bad they are buiilt.they create alot of feedback as they are made of plastic ,almost hollow.tap on the turntable while you are mixing and you will notice feedback
Wow, first time I'm hearing this. Thanks for the video.
Excellent review, very honest and well put together. I’ve just subscribed. Kg
That was the main point - to be honest. I am tired of all these reviews where the reviewers simply repeat official specs/promo pages without real usage.
...and As far as I know, you can no longer get factory parts for the mk2, only aftermarket parts.
This is true?
Thanks
Hey! Mostly yes, original parts are gone, they are no longer produced. But there are some replacements available, especially electronic components. And i think even pitch sliders are being made by one guy from UK i guess.
My 35 year old mk2 looks and runs like it's new. What i love about the mk2 aside from its tank like build is that it's a pure analog deck and very easy to maintain.
The horror stores I've read about the mk7 disappoint me. Sadly the mk7 are made in Malaysia not Japan.
My mk2s are 37y and they are great. I dont think it matters where mk7 is made, you can have great quality product assembled in any country if it is designed properly and QA is strict. Unfortunately mk7 is simply designed as crap and QA is not the best or their acceptance criterias allow warped platters as qc passed.
@@champain7357 yup!
Hi, great review! A curious question: what's the difference between the MK2 and MK7 in practice? In particular, do you experience any difference in terms of pitch control granularity (fineness) between the analog one of the MK2 and the digital one of the MK7?
Hi, thanks! Mk7 was returned after this vid but i played on mk7 a lot while it was at home and in terms of pitch accuracy i would say mk7 is almost as mk2. Very good!
@@champain7357 Great, thx.
Happy to hear a DJ's perspective on the MK7. You did a great job showing the MK7's quality and comparing it to the MK2!
Glad you liked it!
Thank you for your honest opinion.
I did also the modification that you mentioned in my pair of 1210 mk2 with cuting one resistor and pitch wire. But i get impression that more often I have to correct the pitch while mixing. Did you notice any difference between mixing with modded and unmodded 1210 mk2 decks? Btw, sorry for my English, cheers
Bro, why would you say sorry about your english to the person whos english is not native? Regarding pitch: actually i noticed it yeah! But i modified my decks the next day i got them so i cant compare unfortunately and i was thinking this inability to pitch perfectly is because my decks are 37y old and pitch is either old or just needs servicing. Now i am not sure anymore. Maybe i should undo the mod on one deck and compare...
@@champain7357 my decks are about 20 years old and they both have new pitch. I think the instability occured because of quartz removal by doing the mod. I'm goin to get my decks back to original state, and I will share my conclusions with you
Amazing review very detailed and honest based on direct experience & facts Good job 👍🏻
I'm curious what kind of feedback the mk7b lambo will have
Haha, i saw that joke crap toy today on the web. I am pretty sure it will have good feedbacks! People spending 1.5k euro on painted mk7 will not realize how much they overpaid.
Just got 2 of these - only opened 1 box , but haven't set it up yet. Used my mint set of MK5's for the gig yesterday.
Your review has me thinking about returning them without wasting my time plugging them in and turning them on . . .
Well if you have mk7s delivered i think it would be logical step to open and do a couple of mixplays on them just to build your own opinion and also to compare with the points i said in my video. Maybe your platters are flat or maybe you will simply like them. I would find it out for sure.
I have 2 black mk7s. Ive had them for 2 1/2 years now. I agree with everything you say. I wish they had been made better in terms of the build quality.
For mixing i find them to be the best new deck you can buy. The pitch is very good. I do prefer an original mk2 pitch though.
The bottom line is parts have run out for old models. Most are beat up. I had an aftermarket pitch put in the last mk2s i had and they were awful. I sold them as i couldnt mix on them. The only thing id swap the mk7s for is an all original, lightly used set of mk2s etc. Finding those is hard and expensive. I hope they bring a mk8 out. I hope its made in japan ... and ill think about buying them.
Wow that's a long term. How often do you mix on them? If frequently enough, do you already have any color washouts somewhere on the body? Around pitch for example.
@@champain7357 no colour washout.
I often tell people a good set of MKIIs is the way to go BUT, unless you find a mint set that’s been in someone’s living room unplayed for decades, expect to factor in another 200 each for a full service (an honest Technics guru will tell you if they need a mere tune up or a full service).
Bizarrely, when venues kit out NEW booths they still install MKIIs because 99% of vinyl DJs specify them. DJs that mostly play venues rather than ‘spaces’ (where you lug your own kit) still like to have exactly the same decks at home. The MKII mystique never faces.
As for pitch faders, pretty sure any Technics NOS stock is long gone now but there are well-engineered aftermarkets that claim to even improve on the original. Of course, some service centres will throw in a £15 part that’s half the weight of the original and will likely feel or even perform differently. Again, use a Technics guru for servicing who will be honest about what he is fitting.
And, see, this the problem: getting some MKIIs in 2024 can feel like a minefield of questions and uncertainty.
But here’s another thing: all turntables are trying to be a 1200. I once played big event and the decks were brand new Pioneer 1000s. Screwed in my Ortofons, used them like 1200s with no issues at all. We overthink equipment sometimes.
I have a set of these mk7 1200s and absolutely love mine great for mixing
Is there any videos on removing the capacitor to stop the platter speeding up?
Yeah, a lot of them. I used the text/photo guide as a reference.
Man I been jammin on 12s for 32yrs as a turntablist and never knew anything about the table "Compensating" if i use finger on side of platter to pitch blend!? I dont think it does to be honest, at least it def doesnt on mk2s, and I dont feel that on mk7 or any other turntables..weird!? Lol and neva heard of a capacitor you modd to stop it lol..I built my Mk2s from nothing so I know all the parts! Pce Djs
Great review buddy! Loved it. I have few questions. 1) If the pitch on Mk7 has steps, do you have to move it more than Mk2 to change speed? 2) If the Mk2, even with very minimal movement changes speed shouldn't the Mk2 pitch be more precise? 3) So which pitch is more precise? Mk2 or Mk7?
Thanks! Regarding pitches: analog has infinite values range while digital is limited to resolution range. But analog needs calibration and depends on many parameters. Even temperature can affect resistance. i did not perform Lab Class comparisons and checks. But I fould mk7 pitch resolution precise enough for smooth long blend mixing.
Mk 7 has a much better pitch to answer your question mate, lol everything else is better on the mk2s or mk5s
Thanks for the reply keep the reviews coming. I bought a red and yellow one and I’m just setting them up. I’ll let you know my opinion,you can than add that to your reviews. Kg
So you bought M7L? For what kind of mixing: long blending, scratching, dvs?
@@champain7357 hi buddy yeah used to run 1210mk2 as well 1200 mk2 but had too sell to keep a roof over mine and my families head. Been saving for years to buy these. I mix more than scratch, no slip sheets just felt slip mats. Peace and love to you and yours. Kg
Спасибо за обзор. Но я так и не понял, лучше он чем мк2 или нет в плане синка? Ты говоришь, что ты в мк2 что-то куда-то припаял, если я правильно понял, и у тебя синк стал отличный. Но изначально то на мк2 ничего дополнительного не припаяно, значит с точки зрения синка мк7 будет лучше?
Следующий момент. Если выбирать между мк5 и мк7 с точки зрения синка, что будет лучше? Есть опыт с мк5? Ведь мк5 это улучшенная мк2, но питч такой же как на мк2, насколько я понимаю.
Синк - это прежде всего уши и навыки. Мк2 имеет такую же особенность как и мк7 - figting the mix. В мк2 я это убрал (отрезал один провод и выпаял резистор) и стало гораздо удобнее, но это не синк. В мк7 явно не убирается, но настройка мощности двигателя частично спасает ситуацию. Сам питч в мк2 и других моделях вплоть до m5g остаётся непревзойдённым, но в мк7 он тоже отличный. Я бы брал мк5, если бы нашёл, тк это в принципе вершина техниксового прогресса, но реального опыта у меня нет.
Под синком я имею ввиду питч, нормальную его работу, когда два трека держатся долго без расхождения. У меня были мк3 (купил бу естественно), и там была проблема с этим. Я делал техническую диагностику, ревизию. Все чистил и т.д. (не я лично конечно), калибровали питч. Но все равно, держали они плохо, поэтому я их продал. В клубе играл на разных, и 5, и 2 в том числе и все они держали отлично. Поэтому я сделал вывод, что те мк3, которые я купил себе домой, как ты их не калибруй, видимо уже свое отработали. Либо не то калибровали или нет так. Но это уже не важно. вот рассматриваю, что купить другое именно в сторону мк5. Пробовал m5g, у которых питч цифровой (в общем-то мне питч понравился, держит хорошо), он скорее всего как у мк7 (их я не пробовал еще), но m5g на порядок дороже мк5. Также есть мк6, и там питч такой же цифровой как и в m5g (судя по документам), но не удалось попробовать их в деле. Но на всех форумах как-то на мк6 не очень. Якобы уже это не то. А вот по питчу в мк7 я смотрел ДжастТехникс и там он хвалит питч мк7, как раз для дж. То что они пластиковые да. Но неужели они развалятся через пару лет как ты говоришь? Если их в стену кидать может и развалится.@@champain7357
Я не претендую на звание "специалист по Текникс", просто поделился своими наблюдениями и выводами. Мк7 могут и прослужить долгие годы, если с ними бережно обращаться. Но как я сказал в обзоре - это всё же инструмент, а по своей конструкции он ощущается хлипким. Запаса надёжности там нет, зато есть потенциально слабые места. Для дома играть - хороший аппарат, но не за тыщу евро. Плюс в случае поломки его уже на коленке не починишь, как те же мк2. Детали если и получится достать, то цена будет огого (это если не сдохнет материнка или контроллер на ней, тогда как и всё сейчас - на мусорку и за новым).
@@champain7357 так ты в итоге мк7 вернул в магазин, или она у тебя осталась? Месяц как видео вышло.
@@antonsataвернул через пару дней после записи обзора.
Your english is fine. I first saw the 1200 back in 1979 (I'm 63 now). I bought a brand new SL1200MK2 for my sound equipment in my bedroom and with the Ortofon 2M Blue Cartridge with a nude stylus it sounds amazing. I still spin 80s vinyl but the MK 7 is awful and cheap. Matsushita/Panasonic made a big mistake stopping the 1200 MK 2.
I agree. When the new Technics came out I assumed they had just fired up the old production line with a few tweaks. That’s all people wanted. I suspect they threw away the old tooling, hence coming up with these rather different ‘new’ decks, which for the most part don’t offer anything more than the better-but cheaper-SuperOEMs.
Great review ! Your English is fine .
You are absolutely right about the new mk7 and this lousy quality compared to the expensive price and the history of the brand is a huge shame. The mk7 is not a point of pride, but a shame!!!
Today, nothing matters except money and everything is deliberately produced in poor quality.
It's very good that you made this video, because if someone from "Technics" sees this, then maybe they will fix the errors... :)
I expect this is a minuscule part of Panasonic’s business now so the last time they will invest in turntables. Vinyl DJs will continue with old school refurbs or cheaper SuperOEMs.
A few friends of me are international dj’s who are traveling the world and although they have MK2’s and MK5’s at home they are really happy with MK7’s in front of them. Especially because the pitch is so accurate and the sound quality (with good rca cables) is great.
Thats great :)
I recently bought new tables after having MkII's for years. I looked at and played with the new Mk7's and I ended up going with Reloop RP-7000 MKII's instead due to the Reloops just being built better and at a fraction of the cost. The buttons and feet and the whole table just feels better. Especially the buttons though the strobe tower is also plastic, but again just seems to be built better even though that part is plastic. the Mk7's are just not worth the cost unless the name is the only thing important to someone...
I have tested rp7mk2 too. What i didnt like is floating platter, empty left side (where buttons are on rp8) and double play-stop buttons. But main issue is their pitch which has quite big steps so you can forget precise mixing.
Build quality of rp7 is of course better than mk7 as well as vibration damping.
When I mix I won’t ever touch the platter , I keep the tunes in time by using only the pitch
That's a skill!
@@champain7357 the only way to get a tune naturally in time and to stay in time . Big up 👍💙
Good review. I sold my 1200mk's a good few years ago and was looking at picking up a new set. To be honest if I want a "new" mk2 the GR2 would be the way to go but £1600 per turntable is too expensive.
1600 pounds can be reasonable price if you will get deck that will last 30+ years. But the issue/specific of GR is many reviewers out there say their pitch is not designed for DJs - they are hard to long blend. I would love to test them, but yeah :D
A very good channel called 'Just Technics' an engineer and DJ, who has done extensive tests and comparisons of all models.
Hello, nice video ! , indeed , the platter is also on my 2 mk2 (2001/1995), and honestly make no problem..., and the On-Off button is in metal but yes it feel very plastic beceause of the paint i guess, but yes i dont like the feeling of the pop up Light !!!, but i love my mk2 and mk7 !!
I had a pair of 1210MK7R (Red Bull edition). They played well, but the cheap feeling overall, and the cheap target light, was something I couldn't get used to.
I sold them and purchased a pair of 1210GRs.
The MK7s should have never been made.
I would like to try GR and compare it to mk7 and mk2, but 1400eur for one deck is too much. I saw Mojaxx and Just Technics both saying GR is not good for DJing. It is kinda reincarnation of mk2 in terms of build quality but pitch resolution is not good enough for precise sync. I would like to hear from you how they are in mixing. Are you able to sync tracks and keep them locked for atleast 60 seconds? Are they "fighting the mix"? Any platter deformations? You could actually record a review based on mine :D
@@champain7357 I'll grant you that SL-1210GRs are expensive, but The SL1200s have always been expensive. In 1983, I paid over $400.00 each for my SL-1200MK2s. That's about $1200.00 in today's money.
As for Mojaxx and Just Technics' reviews. I would have to respectfully disagree with them both. Mojaxx complained about the GR feet being too soft for DJ use. I suspect that may have been due to reviewing a (probably well) used deck. I've experienced no such issues.
Just Technics issues, if I recall correctly, had to do with the digital pitch. I'll grant you that the digital pitch of the 1210GR is not the same as the analog pitch of the SL-1200MK2, but beat mixing is not impossible.
Out of the box, I found (yes, I looked) no strobe dot deformations, or any other Q.C. issues.
As far as a review, I'll point you to one that has already been done.
ruclips.net/video/IjvfMqUUnQE/видео.html
Brilliant stuff!! Honest good review. I have 4 x 12.10. mk2 .. Two of them for 30 years. :) Go Reloop RP7000 MK 2 , Quality turntable. I also had these sent them back.
Wow, isnt 4 decks too much? Do you use them all at once or do you have 2 setups? Didnt understand what you had sent back :) rp7000 i guess?
I'm looking to buy Technics SL1200mk7 for my studio I see you review and I really disappointed by Technics. Maybe the pioneer PXL - crss12 or PLX 1000. Thank you for your review. well done
If you are going to mix on them I still would suggest mk7 over any hanpin (except maybe pxl 12, this one is an unknown beast)
Technics sl1200 mk7 are very expensive, over $1100 for one turntable, theres no excuse why the mk7 feels cheap. I was going to buy them but its not worth it to me. Mk7 should be $500 the most bc its a very cheap made turntable even though its good too but not for over $1000. I bought instead audio technica LP 140 turntables and there are identical to mk7 and half the cost and feels exactly like a mk7 even looks like a mk7 too.
Yeah i was very sad when i unboxed and assembled my mk7. But as i said to the other guy, these hanpin decks (reloop rp7000 or atlp140 and others) they all identical and their pitch steps are too big so you will struggle to sync tracks perfectly. But if you play hiphop or just do modern style 15sec transitions then you will be fine 😂
For pitching is de mk7 the best!
It may feel cheap but the sound mk 7 produce compared to the audio technica is no even close
great review man! didn't think the mk7 sucks this bad... and to think you can get two decent mk2 for the price of a mk7. planned obsolescence is becoming worse and worse!
Well you can't nowadays as everybody understood the price of pre-mk7 decks. Recently saw used mk2 in good condition for 1300eur ONE player. How about that?!
1000 euros... Back in the day you could have bought 3 mk2's... Crazy
I’ve been in industry and know a ton of DJs. I’ve seen many many broken 1200s over the years. Broken lamps, non-responsive speed buttons, broken tone arms. If you got one that’s close to 40 it probably was in someone’s home for decades.
Yeah it was!
Technics MK 7 is perfect turntable for deejaing . Direct drive coreless motor , robust tonearm , rechangeble rca cables . Not feel cheap at all . Using pair MK7 for two years,i can honestly say that beat maching is bliss whith these . Pich fader is super precise (which is most important features a DJ needs)
Wow man that is shocking... There will never be another sl1200 again in terms of quality :(
I hope it will be one day!
mk7 are worthless in dj setups... even in high volume home setups they do not isolate sound and vibrations. do not buy these. find mk5 or earlier.
Isonoe isolator feet will solve this problem. Although it’s a bit ridiculous to have to upgrade the feet just to have parity with the MKII or many of the top-end SuperOEMs.
Mk2-5 made in Japan. Japan has the worlds best quality control for many goods.
MK7 Malaysia.
Enough said.
I kniw it may be difficult for you to find a really new mk2-mk3-m3d-mk5. BUT, it would be better to own a used mk2, than a new mk7. I wish the pitch was analog. At least this would be a good enough reason to buy 1. Too bad.
"Japan = quality" times are long gone. The County of mamufacture is the last thing i would look at. You can produce quality devices in any country with proper QA at the factory. I agree, used mk2 is better than the new mk7, but if you want a pair of good decks NOW, go find 2x mk2 in good condition. And btw mk7 pitch is fine, even great i would say.
I don't like my mk7,s give me mk2 anytime
excellent review.
i must point out that I definitely think the MK7 will survive another 40 years. It's motor is much more sophisticated than that of the MK2.
it's still Technics - and the turntable is very high quality, certainly compared to the other turntables from hanpin - it's a different world and a completely different user experience.
so maybe it's lower quality than the MK2 - but it's still an excellent turntable.
Thanks! Do you have mk7 btw? :)
Thanks for the review, you have right 1210MK2 are build like a tanks but we have 2024, now its not possible to buy those in mint condition, 99% are broken, hard to repair and after club usage, or pricey like hell so makes no sense for me to buy them thats why I got 2x1210MK7. Maybe they are build from ABS mixed with fiberglass, I don't mind. About your legs, try to screw them more into turntable, mine are fine. About vibrations there is no deck which will compass vibrations, yours mk2 or any other one, you need to use right base, concrete one. :) And I dont mind about 'plastic' buttons, they are working fine, like this little LED tower. I think the most important thing is tonearm, pitch and torque which are high class and do they work. :) If people dont like cheapness of the new MK7s they can buy OEMs. :)
I do not understand why Technics decided to pollute their brand with a piece of plastic like the mk7. All if this just for collecting some bucks in the short run. Some are stupid out there, I know. But not all! They think that by differenciating the SL 1200 line into a crappy deck for $1k (the MK7), a semi-good one for $2k (the GR2, following the debacle of GR), and a fairly good item (the G), they made a deal. False step! They just obtained the effect of getting back all MK2-MK6 to life, thus destroying their market potential. Really stupid management.
It is just a modern world. No lasting things anymore. You can't make bizniz on decks that last 30+ years, who will buy them when everyone who needed already did so? Subscription is also hard to attach... So make crap, sell crap, make new crap etc. BTW there is a chap on youtube who do videos of old classic style music on vinyl (just records tracks playing on the deck). He uses a 5k eur G model. And guess what? It has a warped platter :D
@@champain7357 I guess you are right. However, I think there's a third way. Imagine Technics doing an MK7 they right way. That it an evolution of the MK6, with the usual solid chassis and the like. Price: $2k. Then, if you return an old, yet functioning, MK2-6, they make a $500 discount. This way, the secondary market will shrink, the price of used MK2-6 increases to the level that it would be equally convenient to buy a new MK7.
I like your idea. I would extend it to hanpin oem decks too. This would increase technics market share. But it is too complicated. Modern management likes simple schemes with immediate profit.
@@champain7357 You know, I teach in a business school and I can tell you that these future managers are mostly ignorant and superficial individuals. In addition, the compensation schemes they adopt in nowadays companies privilege short-term results. All of these factors perfectly align to your statement about modern management. We are living in a paper word.
I am a software engineer. I can see this management stuff inside every day. Still wonder why it is like that everywhere and seems to bring income while obviously being counter-productive.
The mk7 has a wonderful motor without cogging problems that is a lot better in terms of wow and flutter than 1210 mk2. That justifies all other things such as power switch where they reduced other costs for less important parts.
No way. Theres no way the motor is improved.
Technics MK7 has better motor than MK2 ..
Yes, but mk2 motor is good enough to start with. I've read GR2 has some new "reinvented" motor, would be interesting to try this deck.
@@champain7357y3ah i heard about that also. I think it is out of most DJs budgets but I think overall the GR2 is a god value proposition. It's the latest tech, that most DJs will wait patiently to trickle down into their line of decks
I don't know where you see the plastic on the strobe and on keys 33 and 45, it's not plastic but "ALUMINIUM" very different from plastic and it's the same aluminum as the mk2 strobe!! the change is that on mk2 they were knurled while on mk7 or GR they are smooth. the fact that it seems plasic when you press them is not the button itself but the button inside... DO NOT write reviews saying that it's rubbish.... I can assure you that I have two silver mk7s from 2022 and the plate It has no undulations and the glass of the strobe is fixed and doesn't move like yours! I think they gave you a rip off.
Strobe tower with on-off switch is plastic. Get multimeter and try to measure tower surface resistance. My review was not based on emotions but physical condition of mk7. I am glad you have two mk7 with fine platters but warp issue is quite common on all new technics range up to G model. So i reserve the right to say what i see and think.
@@champain7357but what serial number does yours have? if and before 2021 mk7 had serious problems.. mine do not have the slide that moves and the plate turns straight on both one and the other or within the tolerances reported by the parent company.. as regards the turret, it strobes to the touch I'm sure it's not plastic but aluminium.. maybe different from the aluminum that was on mk2, a different alloy but if it were plastic you wouldn't feel the same sensation of cold to the touch.. I can agree with you about the pop up light which seems less resistant but even there I believe that the game that the parent company left to them is precisely because on the old mk2 series the light burned out (and even if they fixed a new generation product there would have been negative comments) the base and ABS which feel plastic to the touch is true but it is a thermosetting material whose cost and its resistance to both low and high temperatures or to impacts is much better than the rubber base present on the mk2... in fact there are many examples of mk2 or mk5 in which the base over time it was deformed due to temperature changes... then unfortunately it's true that they suffer from Larsen... but I think it depends, as you also say, it depends on the feet... problem that can be solved anyway... Sven Vath screwed us in public.
I think we talk about different things. :) You are talking about strobe dots on the platter, am i right? And it is of course metal, not plastic. No doubts here. While I am talking about cylinder tower in the left corner above start button with on off switch and leds inside. This part is plastic on mk7 but metal on mk2.
@@champain7357 you're right, mine too, the strobe glass moves... I don't understand why they didn't fix it... before mk7 I had the GR and the strobe glass was fixed like on mk2
Now you see. So why you swapped GR to mk7? Was gr bad in some way?
No quality