@@JoshuaHansell-ii6zwhe means holmgang, a viking tradition where you challenged someone you had a dispute with to the death. Some less moral vikings challenged rich farmers just to kill them and take their wife and belongings. Fun times! Edit: you could decline the duel, but this would get you exiled and dishonored.
Did you watch the whole video? Pika literally said “if anything goes wrong, I’ll take the blame” so guess what…it’s his fault lol doesn’t matter what actually happened
@@XaveAZ117 the wall isn't the best route because you can't LoS the ranged mobs and group everything up, would've been ok if pika clutched up and actually shot the ranged ones though.
@@aeonstar293 a large portion of those mobs are ranged and would have interrupted blizzard. To get close enough to blaze wave/AE he’d put his own character at risk. So no, it wasn’t realistic to ask him to do that.
@@patrikbjoerklund attunement is for the skip zone in from the npc outside of brd; anyone can zone in from the real zone inside brd. This is the lack of knowledge gettin people killed lmao
sorry but pika is wrong, the reason for that shitshow was because there was no way to LOS the ranged. always just pillar hug, can take one step left and right on a pillar corner to pull ranged mobs in.
the walls have reset points, if it isnt fixed. I believe you see it happen here, 07:15. which is why the stopped attacking pika. you can also use the walls to reset aggro. by LoS the range with the walls.
going straight to the brazier along the columns has always worked best imo.. you just los pull the groups to each column, clear them, then move to the next. Problem with this group is they werent all on the same page.
people are afraid of dying to the point that they're not playing right. Especially in the gauntlet. Any route is viable through that thing if you just push ahead.
The main issue was that they waited too long on going right allowing the pat/spawn to pop as they got deep. Going mid is great, but you let a hunter take charge, the class that is deadzoned when going mid and using the los strat, pika probably hasn't even trained explosive trap lol.
Yeah going "along the side" is a braindead move and EXACTLY what killed them. The mobs have low HP but some of them are raged with rifles. So you can't AoE effectively AWAY from the pillar LoS. Pikaboo and Xaryu both very much in the wrong here.
@@toaster13666 I was sitting here thinking the why are they having so much trouble? While I don't play hardcore but I did play it while it was the live content . Just run to the brazier and aoe them down its not hard. Tank could break los of ranged mobs at the brazier and the mage should have been able to have the dps to one shot them .
The true problem was this group was not confident and all over the place. Tank was just blazing ahead and didnt seem like he was truly aware of what he needed to do. Mage was hella scared. The shaman prolly didnt give a fuck after he got shot down. And the comms just werent there. Everyone saying its not the right route, the thing is pika literally did this route at a lower lvl and they were just fine. The difference is that group with ozy and whazz were way more dialed in. I think whether they went middle or along the wall something was gonna happen.
Mages have one job in this version of wow and they still manage to fuck it up. This zone is mage's paradise, you can use low rank AEs to save mana and really blast everything even 3 groups at once with just AE/CoC then sip a quick drink/evo. With decent int gear and a managem+manapot you can literally blast pack after pack easily. And while the team handle the elite elemental you just drink
Except that isn’t true. Unless you’re a very experienced mage you just end up dying. Also, a large portion of the mobs are ranged. Sitting in the open is the worst thing you could do.
@@lordtouchme You do if you don't want to die. AoEing when a tank has 0 thread or mobs can attack you freely is a death wish. Especially when it's 25+ mobs.
@@BrandonWestfall Your post talks lengths about the average skill level of the wow player. There is nothing hard or needing to be "very experienced" about pressing frost nova or cone of cold and walking away the big angry dwarves. Especially when you clearly forgot about the fact that those mobs are oneshot on a crit or dead in two spells.
That first clip is a classic example of not having a group leader. This then lead to a convoluted strategy, partly due to stubbornness and partly due to laziness. The tank not being in Discord was incredibly stupid, especially since they didn't know him. Pika "vouching" for him means nothing. They should have taken a break, got in Discord, let the room entirely reset, and then come back in as one. Their impatience lead to awkward spawns. Also, if you're playing hardcore, there's absolutely no reason to take the middle route towards the torch. Hugging the wall route is the correct decision 100% of the time while playing hardcore. It's incredibly stupid to increase your risk when you don't have to.
I know it was like an hour 20 minutes, but I’d love to see Xaryu react to even the highlights of Pika’s BRD with Ozy and Whaazz. That was one of the funniest dungeon runs I’ve seen
Pika just wants to go along the wall because he did that at 52 with Ozy and Whaazz and it worked so he's sticking to that but is just dumb. Going along the wall is just bad because you have no options to LoS but he's just stubborn af 😂
@@regulator18E coming from the guy who put in their bio "If you're viewing my channel it's probably because I triggered you in someones comments, because I don't make content. Don't take the internet so seriously." i think you need to take things less seriously and stop getting triggered at comments not directed at you
How? Mage uses nova @6:15 is 50% health and 30% mana then another pack spawns. What’s the mage going to do into x3 packs with that much hp and mana. If they try to Aoe down with Ae they’re insta dead, plus they’re all spread
When you get to that room you have go around the room as Xaryu described but you cant go forward and go back you have to keep going in that circle as its a quick respawn area.
lmaoo isnt this the group everyone was whispering him not to go?? i went to bed before they started. The group he had last night breezed through this thing in like 5 minutes
The lip on the edge that pika jumped up on is a sudo safe spot, melee adds will stand in place and stare at you however ranged adds will still shoot. with that said, everyone would of lived if they all just jumped on the ledge ressetting all the melee adds and allowing the group to run along that edge to the start.
middle or side would have been fine if they didn't restart. they didn't wait for the respawns to come back so they didn't get any time to clear like they should have
The wall strat is not good, you intersect all of the patrols when you're out there as you can see in the vid, and you run through multiple big packs. Just go center route, don't be silly.
Ive done this place SO many times, including duo boxing it. Always hug pillars. Pull a pack back to you so you LOS the ranged mobs, then aoe them down. Rinse repeat while moving forward. No Pika is NOT right here, this group is not good enough to play without LOS. To do that the whole group has to stand on the tank and the tank has to move into the ranged mobs.
You can hop back and forth from the shore to the dock at 18:36, the mobs will run back and forth around the little shed. Freebooters are ranged though.
Pika managed to do the route he described hugging the wall at lvl 52, and his group was lower level than this group as well. I think that's why he was confident they could do it again, but they didn't pull patrol that previous time. Also tank was in call that time. I feel like you should really have at least the tank in call for proper communication.
them not waiting for respawns before committing to the hug wall strat is what got them killed. They should have took a 5 min break after agreeing on their plan let everything respawn and then go
He did, if you listen to what he said he actually said "kill them before they start evading", I don't know why he didn't call for all to go evade at that moment too but he was aware it's a reset spot
If you have low levels you absolutely should not be doing an emp run on hardcore. Group unironically probably would have wiped to emp if they even got there.
Like Asmond said. This is natural selection, and he got selected. Even after the fact, with 5 camera angles people can't figure it. Too bad Pika didn't he was big mouth alpha with the bad tacs. I did this as 55 warr first time playing lol.
This room is all about LOS and the pillars, they went to an open area and got swamped, stay in the middle. Not only do the mobs have low hp, they have super low damage….except for the range mobs….use the pillars, don’t let em shoot you. The plan was bad, the execution was bad, people died and the run failed.
lol they don't ban griefers, they only ban people who grief big streamers or grief someone else in a party with a big streamer. every aoe mage is getting constantly griefed by almost every other aoe mage, it's the current meta, at least 3/4 of aoe mages atm are trying to get other aoe mages killed. none of them will get banned.
It's almost like it's way easier to see a grief when its caught in 4k with thousands of views? Meanwhile the aoe mages griefing u have no evidence what can u do it's your word vs his
@@davidsantiago7808 obviously, but also they don't care about griefers when they don't grief big streamers. people who grief everyone obviously have a big amount of reports on them, but no one checks those reports. I have also submitted about 15 email reports with video links of griefers but no one will look at it.
Nope nope nope. 1)Use eagle eye or far sight to find and mark torch bearers. This gives you your path through. 2) Use the pillars to LOS and bring the ranged in. Pillar hug almost constantly. LOS is imperative to avoid chain pulls. 3)Entire group needs to stay tight on the tank. 4)Going smoothly, this way it will be no more then 1-3 packs at a time. 5)You should have around 5 seconds after leaving combat drink. 6)Everyone needs to be focused and paying attention. I believe if they had the option to line of sight and bring the packs in they would've lived. So yeah, Peeka's fault. He usurped lead and lead them to death 😂
Am I the only one that thinks Blizzard needs to fix that instance? I see so many people die while running out of Library due to respawns and I don't see it in most other dungeons.
the only problem i ever had in that room was not finding a torch bearer or someone not knowing they had the torch. how can you have a problem with aoe'ing these mobs down with WL, mage and hunter... insane.
13:45 Seriously... WHY they all rest in the middle ? The boss room is FULLY empty, even after respawn. Why not just jump in and clean again from here T.T...
You use these pillars as a line of sight, get the mobs close and use frostnova onto arcane explosion twice to kill them. We had a priest kill these mobs with holy nova of all spells. Its so easy, if you have a aoe caster with 2 braincells and if you use line of sight correctly
Literally 0 respect for the ziqo griefer. In my opinion, this should be just perma banned. Griefing is one thing, threatening and clearly stating that you continue to grief if he doesn't leave should be just a permabann. Sadly it doesn't matter too much in classic, since it has no base game, but at the same time.. some people cherrish their account. And also.. it doesn't matter who layers, if its too much for him, he could have layered away. But he choose to grief to get what he wants, so he should get what he deserves. And just dying in HC is too little, no one knows how many people he already killed in HC just to keep his farm spot. If you aren't a streamer, you usually won't get any support against griefer. Losing his character once is nothing if he already wasted the time for many other people. And.. as I said, I don't have respect for people that have no respect for others. They can eat shit.
Wasn't even tank's fault at all. That totem was stupid and shaman was the one who kept derping in the wrong way. He's the only one who deserved to lose his character. Warrior was even trying to tell him to stop.
@@BrandonWestfall That was after the stoneclaw totem and those pats were about to aggro with the first one that went for the totem anyway. There's also a gunner in those packs that hangs back, so the pats would walk right through it and auto aggro. So nah, not really.
@@BrandonWestfall Because the warrior's actions wouldn't have changed the situation at all for the above reasons. Not my fault you hop on to comment without understanding the game.
@@GruppeSechs It was 4 seconds from the time the patrols agroed to the time the two packs respawned on top of them. That's 5 packs total spread out. Without LOS it's impossible to group them all up. Half of them are ranged mobs that would push back flamestrike/blizard. CoC/Blastwave have limited range with a long cooldown. AE and blast wave would have put him at major risk of dying. The shaman was way too far back initially. Warrior was rushing pulls, Pika was making bad calls, and the mage could've done more. (But he could not have saved that pull on his own.) As I said, everyone should be held accountable. Not just the streamer you choose to praise.
Banning after a grief isn't nearly enough... Those bans are temporary and often shorter than the time it takes to re-level after getting griefed. Ban + all characters deleted should be the punishment from blizzard.
Not only did the totem fucks them, but the guy with the golden circle over his head went middle despite being told repeatedly not to, and the mage did fuck all nothing. Lol.
He said everyone go to the corner, but did he say Shaman, remove your stupid earth totem? Nope. To be fair, the shaman should have know to remove the totems to avoid aggro pull!
My hubby has been trying shaman and has died twice in dungeons in upper 30s from his totems pulling. He manages to save others but then dies. He’s a good player I told him it’s the shaman it’s bad news with the totems…
Just had a thought for the content if you reframed it from just watching deaths and "who is to blame"... wouldn't it be cooler to highlight great saves or awesome plays. I know you do throughout the videos and I feel like the focus is people dying more. Unless there just aren't that many great saves...
Why anyone even tries to RUN OUT of library after all these other RIPs is just sheer stupidity at this point. If you run library and you're not done in
You can't pull those groups out into the open as they are all ranged. Most people know to use the pillars to LoS them to group them up, then move on. I don't understand why at the end they didn't just form a raid group and enter MC... Easy way out.
Everyone saying the mage should have AoE but Pika was spamming for her to make a portal. So it was a bad call on his part. If he told Chloe to start doing aoe damage I bet she could have cleared it all. But he freaked out and called for a disengage and a port out so thats 100% on him as a leader he failed his group. And then for him to act like he did something so "awesome" after he made it out and completely abandoned the group that died FOR HIM, thats messed up. I actually lost a lot of respect for Pika on this one.
if killing an mage whos farming AOE lvling on quest mobs is griefing, then lvling on quest mobs is griefing too tbh, cuz other ppl cant finish theyr quest while the mage kills 10000 more than he needs for his quest.
@@riziptwait are you actually talking about classic wow? Yet you do not know a fire mage STILL HAS CONE OF COLD, FROST NOVA, BLIZZARD??? He literally has no clue there is a mage cause the mage didn’t use a single aoe ability in his tool kit. Learn the game before you comment
@@josephhammond8008 Soda wasn't reading any of that. The mage did nothing but aoe. I'll give you there was no cone of cold but I saw blizzard, flamestrike, arcane explosion, frost nova. Mage didn't play well but that's not the point. Soda aint the one.
When both Xaryu and Pika is wrong. Never go right or left if you don't keep moving it isn't safer. You go middle and hide behind Pilars. Take one pack aoe it down. Then move forward to next pilar. Why u both doing wrong? That way u can also pull the ones u need to open the door and start the fires.
bro Xaryu agree blind Pika because he is his friend but what if, when the people in pikas group really dont know what they doing here for the first time?
@@michaelpurdon7032 i just got back into sod seems to be popping right now, but if you want the fresh servers do it up way to much mob comp but still fun im just waiting in sod for a bit till things thin out..... enjoy bub
Mannnn. That boss where you light the flames isn't really that hard. I feel like they could have survived. Even going down the middle is fine if you are locked in, but yeah, you gotta watch for the patrols ahead of time.
@@mistakai4226 To be fair, dying in 04 meant just making the long run back to the dungeon, and losing some durability on gear and losing some buffs. Here it's losing 7 days play time.
you can blame him because its his fault. he had no idea what he was talking about called a shit strat wouldnt let anyone else talk because of his ego and then people died. 100% his fault.
@@danski8403 wall walking gives the tmost amount of time and least potential for a pat to run up behind you. it makes it extremely easy to take it 1 pack at a time. tank sits on the ground where the set you just killed was, healer hops on ledge and drinks. its not hard, you have like 20s between respawns, healer can stay topped off mana pretty much the entire time. if you go in the pillars pats can walk up on you and you can body pull the packs besides the pillars. wall is 100% safer dude
I've always gone to the right wall (I've always been a private server player so not sure how different it is) but I've literally never wiped doing the right wall - even without mage or decent aoe.
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Imagine being so good at the game you can nonchalantly drop a Mak Gora flag if you have a dispute with someone.
It actually used to go like this irl before Christian era
@@Overcaca23 It ... wasn't Christians. But the early waves of Christianity did do a lot.
@@Overcaca23 Yeah not like we crusaded you
@@JoshuaHansell-ii6zwhe means holmgang, a viking tradition where you challenged someone you had a dispute with to the death. Some less moral vikings challenged rich farmers just to kill them and take their wife and belongings. Fun times!
Edit: you could decline the duel, but this would get you exiled and dishonored.
@@Overcaca23 Pistol duels were common tho for a while
Tank and Healer die, DPS escapes. A tale as old as time.
cant get aggro if you dont have threat xD
That group was just everywhere, not even pikas fault
It was pikas fault, the tank knew the best route, but streamer confidence is too high
@@Jonathan-gk6seThe tank wasn’t on the wall though. They should’ve been pulling from the wall.
Did you watch the whole video? Pika literally said “if anything goes wrong, I’ll take the blame” so guess what…it’s his fault lol doesn’t matter what actually happened
@@FatherBootsnah blame fatty for ozempic brain
@@XaveAZ117 the wall isn't the best route because you can't LoS the ranged mobs and group everything up, would've been ok if pika clutched up and actually shot the ranged ones though.
The mage didn't listen and was just going ahead
Mage could have saved it at any point
@@aeonstar293 a large portion of those mobs are ranged and would have interrupted blizzard.
To get close enough to blaze wave/AE he’d put his own character at risk.
So no, it wasn’t realistic to ask him to do that.
@@BrandonWestfallas someone who raids and has leveled multiple mages in hardcore/classic. You’re completely wrong lol
@ I’ve played mage for 20 years, and no, I am not.
@ looks like you don’t play it well. Being scared doesn’t work in hardcore wow
@@BrandonWestfall I'm with you on this don't listen to this weird other guy.
not having the classic knowledge to convert party to raid and zone in was the difference.
They could not have entered without the attunement done …
@@patrikbjoerklund attunement is for the skip zone in from the npc outside of brd; anyone can zone in from the real zone inside brd. This is the lack of knowledge gettin people killed lmao
@@patrikbjoerklund more newbs... of course u say some bullshit thats not even true newb
sorry but pika is wrong, the reason for that shitshow was because there was no way to LOS the ranged. always just pillar hug, can take one step left and right on a pillar corner to pull ranged mobs in.
the walls have reset points, if it isnt fixed.
I believe you see it happen here, 07:15. which is why the stopped attacking pika.
you can also use the walls to reset aggro. by LoS the range with the walls.
people were panicking
Yes the pillars are useful to get the ranged grouped up
going straight to the brazier along the columns has always worked best imo.. you just los pull the groups to each column, clear them, then move to the next. Problem with this group is they werent all on the same page.
Yeah it's not that complicated
people are afraid of dying to the point that they're not playing right. Especially in the gauntlet. Any route is viable through that thing if you just push ahead.
The main issue was that they waited too long on going right allowing the pat/spawn to pop as they got deep. Going mid is great, but you let a hunter take charge, the class that is deadzoned when going mid and using the los strat, pika probably hasn't even trained explosive trap lol.
Yeah going "along the side" is a braindead move and EXACTLY what killed them. The mobs have low HP but some of them are raged with rifles. So you can't AoE effectively AWAY from the pillar LoS. Pikaboo and Xaryu both very much in the wrong here.
@@toaster13666 I was sitting here thinking the why are they having so much trouble? While I don't play hardcore but I did play it while it was the live content . Just run to the brazier and aoe them down its not hard. Tank could break los of ranged mobs at the brazier and the mage should have been able to have the dps to one shot them .
The true problem was this group was not confident and all over the place. Tank was just blazing ahead and didnt seem like he was truly aware of what he needed to do. Mage was hella scared. The shaman prolly didnt give a fuck after he got shot down. And the comms just werent there. Everyone saying its not the right route, the thing is pika literally did this route at a lower lvl and they were just fine. The difference is that group with ozy and whazz were way more dialed in. I think whether they went middle or along the wall something was gonna happen.
Mages have one job in this version of wow and they still manage to fuck it up. This zone is mage's paradise, you can use low rank AEs to save mana and really blast everything even 3 groups at once with just AE/CoC then sip a quick drink/evo. With decent int gear and a managem+manapot you can literally blast pack after pack easily. And while the team handle the elite elemental you just drink
yeah i would always look for a mage when doing emp runs in 2019 classic. feels mandatory in hardcore
Except that isn’t true. Unless you’re a very experienced mage you just end up dying. Also, a large portion of the mobs are ranged. Sitting in the open is the worst thing you could do.
@@BrandonWestfallyea you need to be really experienced to press your arcane explosion
@@lordtouchme You do if you don't want to die. AoEing when a tank has 0 thread or mobs can attack you freely is a death wish. Especially when it's 25+ mobs.
@@BrandonWestfall Your post talks lengths about the average skill level of the wow player.
There is nothing hard or needing to be "very experienced" about pressing frost nova or cone of cold and walking away the big angry dwarves.
Especially when you clearly forgot about the fact that those mobs are oneshot on a crit or dead in two spells.
Why do people think this is pikas fault and he killed them. The mage failed miserably/hearted instantly.
Only because he said if anything goes wrong ill take the blame! You shuld obciously be cautious with absoluts^^
Nobody actually thinks that, it's a meme because pika said he would take the blame if anything went wrong. Imagine watching the video 🤦♂️
He was taking the role of shot caller, and was yelling over the tank trying to give directions. Pika is the reason they almost wiped.
Because content
Dudes a straight up weasel, laughing it up while his group dies.
That first clip is a classic example of not having a group leader. This then lead to a convoluted strategy, partly due to stubbornness and partly due to laziness. The tank not being in Discord was incredibly stupid, especially since they didn't know him. Pika "vouching" for him means nothing. They should have taken a break, got in Discord, let the room entirely reset, and then come back in as one. Their impatience lead to awkward spawns. Also, if you're playing hardcore, there's absolutely no reason to take the middle route towards the torch. Hugging the wall route is the correct decision 100% of the time while playing hardcore. It's incredibly stupid to increase your risk when you don't have to.
Bro the one person who could save the entire group hearthed out immediately. That mage 😭
not grouping with pika would of been the real save. Bro took them the wrong route and they listened when hes never even done the dungeon.
group leader calls for roachout, do you
a) roach out
or
b) take all the aggro onto yourself
Mage was fire not frost she couldn't save anyone
@@Odyssey636nah not true, he did it with an even weaker group.
Assuming they were attuned, could she have converted the party to raid to allow them to zone in
“I can’t do much I’m trying to hearth right now.”😂😂😂😂
Every Mage is so entitled that every mob on planet azeroth belongs to him. Pull single mobs like every other class or live with the risk
19:18 LMAOxD He doesn't even hesitate hahaha
I know it was like an hour 20 minutes, but I’d love to see Xaryu react to even the highlights of Pika’s BRD with Ozy and Whaazz. That was one of the funniest dungeon runs I’ve seen
Pika just wants to go along the wall because he did that at 52 with Ozy and Whaazz and it worked so he's sticking to that but is just dumb.
Going along the wall is just bad because you have no options to LoS but he's just stubborn af 😂
I just would not trust any guy with a perpetual smile on his face.
It's not that serious bro
Youre a 40 year old with a cartoon pfp. We feel the same way about you.
@@regulator18E what do you mean 'we' white boi
@@regulator18E coming from the guy who put in their bio "If you're viewing my channel it's probably because I triggered you in someones comments, because I don't make content. Don't take the internet so seriously." i think you need to take things less seriously and stop getting triggered at comments not directed at you
@Faceless
That’s a long ass way to say “no u r”
Mages fault 100%. Could have saved that all day....
Agreed. They pull and they're running away with mana shield up. Watch the Parla fear pull and the difference in Mages
How? Mage uses nova @6:15 is 50% health and 30% mana then another pack spawns. What’s the mage going to do into x3 packs with that much hp and mana. If they try to Aoe down with Ae they’re insta dead, plus they’re all spread
@@sleepz2257 Rank 1 blizzard, rank 1 nova, cold snap. Literally anything, have you played mage?
When you get to that room you have go around the room as Xaryu described but you cant go forward and go back you have to keep going in that circle as its a quick respawn area.
Ironically, if they just stayed by the pillars that would have never happened.
lmaoo isnt this the group everyone was whispering him not to go?? i went to bed before they started. The group he had last night breezed through this thing in like 5 minutes
The lip on the edge that pika jumped up on is a sudo safe spot, melee adds will stand in place and stare at you however ranged adds will still shoot. with that said, everyone would of lived if they all just jumped on the ledge ressetting all the melee adds and allowing the group to run along that edge to the start.
middle or side would have been fine if they didn't restart. they didn't wait for the respawns to come back so they didn't get any time to clear like they should have
The wall strat is not good, you intersect all of the patrols when you're out there as you can see in the vid, and you run through multiple big packs. Just go center route, don't be silly.
Ive done this place SO many times, including duo boxing it. Always hug pillars. Pull a pack back to you so you LOS the ranged mobs, then aoe them down. Rinse repeat while moving forward. No Pika is NOT right here, this group is not good enough to play without LOS. To do that the whole group has to stand on the tank and the tank has to move into the ranged mobs.
Yea idk what tf pika was thinking hugging walls. You cant fuckin los
Pretty sure he said they weren't doing enough damage to go up the middle. He said that's the usual strategy I belive
You can hop back and forth from the shore to the dock at 18:36, the mobs will run back and forth around the little shed. Freebooters are ranged though.
19:10 Point missed at the end is that was an onlyfang guildy trying to grief ziko!
Name was Shakeweight from Crab Gang, how is that another member of Onlyfangs?
13:00 Any CR fans are aware that Lorenzo is, in fact, NOT a trustworthy name. LOL
lolol love that you replayed the clip of pika. AYOO just watched that Ziqo part, that was insane! love the instant mok'gara
Pika managed to do the route he described hugging the wall at lvl 52, and his group was lower level than this group as well. I think that's why he was confident they could do it again, but they didn't pull patrol that previous time. Also tank was in call that time. I feel like you should really have at least the tank in call for proper communication.
8:40 zuc zuc
never go right, always go middle through the pillars so you can los the ranged mobs
There's pillars on both sides of the room
@@kuyt3400 they went far right where there are no pillars, watch the video
@PerciVN I know that. I never said otherwise so why are you talking?
@@kuyt3400 yeah there's pillars around the middle, they weren't near the pillars, so idk what point you're trying to make
them not waiting for respawns before committing to the hug wall strat is what got them killed. They should have took a 5 min break after agreeing on their plan let everything respawn and then go
"Okay listen..."
"Okay, to what? The Sound of Silence?"
Dude acted like he knew the room but didn’t know the ledge across the ENTIRE room is a safe spot 💀💀💀
This is Pikas 3rd run of this dungeon. He used the safe ledge in every single run including this one that you watched. So what are you on about, dork?
He did, if you listen to what he said he actually said "kill them before they start evading", I don't know why he didn't call for all to go evade at that moment too but he was aware it's a reset spot
@@braaapdaps6814 hes talkin about the dude who kept runnin up the middle not pika, dork
@@neinlives9424 Ahhh I just see all the comments roasting the #2 rogue in the world and thought this guy was talking smack too.
@@braaapdaps6814 you can be #2 rogue in the world and also not know how to lead this room
If you have low levels you absolutely should not be doing an emp run on hardcore. Group unironically probably would have wiped to emp if they even got there.
Hug the wall is a terrible idea. You can't los the mobs to group em up. The blow up tac only works when they are grouped up. Stop blaming mage noobs.
Like Asmond said. This is natural selection, and he got selected. Even after the fact, with 5 camera angles people can't figure it. Too bad Pika didn't he was big mouth alpha with the bad tacs. I did this as 55 warr first time playing lol.
This room is all about LOS and the pillars, they went to an open area and got swamped, stay in the middle. Not only do the mobs have low hp, they have super low damage….except for the range mobs….use the pillars, don’t let em shoot you. The plan was bad, the execution was bad, people died and the run failed.
lol they don't ban griefers, they only ban people who grief big streamers or grief someone else in a party with a big streamer.
every aoe mage is getting constantly griefed by almost every other aoe mage, it's the current meta, at least 3/4 of aoe mages atm are trying to get other aoe mages killed. none of them will get banned.
It's almost like it's way easier to see a grief when its caught in 4k with thousands of views?
Meanwhile the aoe mages griefing u have no evidence what can u do it's your word vs his
@@davidsantiago7808 obviously, but also they don't care about griefers when they don't grief big streamers. people who grief everyone obviously have a big amount of reports on them, but no one checks those reports. I have also submitted about 15 email reports with video links of griefers but no one will look at it.
Pikaboo must go through eight keyboards a week. It sounds like a machine gun when he types.
Nope nope nope.
1)Use eagle eye or far sight to find and mark torch bearers. This gives you your path through.
2) Use the pillars to LOS and bring the ranged in. Pillar hug almost constantly. LOS is imperative to avoid chain pulls.
3)Entire group needs to stay tight on the tank.
4)Going smoothly, this way it will be no more then 1-3 packs at a time.
5)You should have around 5 seconds after leaving combat drink.
6)Everyone needs to be focused and paying attention.
I believe if they had the option to line of sight and bring the packs in they would've lived. So yeah, Peeka's fault. He usurped lead and lead them to death 😂
Am I the only one that thinks Blizzard needs to fix that instance? I see so many people die while running out of Library due to respawns and I don't see it in most other dungeons.
User error.
the only problem i ever had in that room was not finding a torch bearer or someone not knowing they had the torch.
how can you have a problem with aoe'ing these mobs down with WL, mage and hunter... insane.
6:56 you would start looking for the paladin to come and save you 😂
13:45 Seriously... WHY they all rest in the middle ? The boss room is FULLY empty, even after respawn. Why not just jump in and clean again from here T.T...
Does the mage chloe stream? anyone know her channel?
and this is why you use the pillars.
lmaooo Chloe trying to fucking hearthing out right away
Holy fuck Pika's keyboard sounding like an A10 Warthog
Pika just did this underleveled with Ozy and it went fine. It was the group’s fault for not listening to his strat
He’s equally at fault and “his” strategy isn’t normal. It’s also riskier than hugging the pillars due to LOS.
The guy at 17 is why I always carry anti-venom. Also not using more than 1 action bar for moves is insane. The bag scramble...
"And He’s to Blame" I don't think that's the case, but it's a catchy title.
19:45 - funny how they ban griefers after 30 minutes but farmbots run free for sometimes months, even tho people massreport them...
Pikaboo got the grinch grin. It should have been clear to all involved.
pika is a lot of things, but he's not a bad player... he was giving solid advice the entire time
Going right and standing in the open was bad advice. As was telling a mage that’s in combat to cast a portal.
I just want to hear someone say “Come with me if you want to live”
Even 2 patrols, a pack AND 2 respawns was STILL salvageable if the mage was specced correctly.
Pack of the Cheetah wasn´t pressed for content. I am most impressed with that.
You use these pillars as a line of sight, get the mobs close and use frostnova onto arcane explosion twice to kill them.
We had a priest kill these mobs with holy nova of all spells.
Its so easy, if you have a aoe caster with 2 braincells and if you use line of sight correctly
Literally 0 respect for the ziqo griefer. In my opinion, this should be just perma banned. Griefing is one thing, threatening and clearly stating that you continue to grief if he doesn't leave should be just a permabann. Sadly it doesn't matter too much in classic, since it has no base game, but at the same time.. some people cherrish their account.
And also.. it doesn't matter who layers, if its too much for him, he could have layered away. But he choose to grief to get what he wants, so he should get what he deserves. And just dying in HC is too little, no one knows how many people he already killed in HC just to keep his farm spot. If you aren't a streamer, you usually won't get any support against griefer. Losing his character once is nothing if he already wasted the time for many other people. And.. as I said, I don't have respect for people that have no respect for others. They can eat shit.
Could’ve easily converted into a raid group and enter MC.. derp
You're not wrong but the two that died never made it out of the room.
To be SO fair if mage was frost spec this room is a joke. Fire mages just don't have the utility to help groups survive like frost does.
Wasn't even tank's fault at all. That totem was stupid and shaman was the one who kept derping in the wrong way. He's the only one who deserved to lose his character. Warrior was even trying to tell him to stop.
Tank agroed two additional packs himself so yes, he is partially at fault.
@@BrandonWestfall That was after the stoneclaw totem and those pats were about to aggro with the first one that went for the totem anyway. There's also a gunner in those packs that hangs back, so the pats would walk right through it and auto aggro. So nah, not really.
@@GruppeSechs Why are people like you so adamant on blaming a single person instead of holding EVERYONE accountable for their actions?
@@BrandonWestfall Because the warrior's actions wouldn't have changed the situation at all for the above reasons. Not my fault you hop on to comment without understanding the game.
@@GruppeSechs It was 4 seconds from the time the patrols agroed to the time the two packs respawned on top of them.
That's 5 packs total spread out. Without LOS it's impossible to group them all up.
Half of them are ranged mobs that would push back flamestrike/blizard. CoC/Blastwave have limited range with a long cooldown.
AE and blast wave would have put him at major risk of dying.
The shaman was way too far back initially. Warrior was rushing pulls, Pika was making bad calls, and the mage could've done more. (But he could not have saved that pull on his own.)
As I said, everyone should be held accountable. Not just the streamer you choose to praise.
Banning after a grief isn't nearly enough... Those bans are temporary and often shorter than the time it takes to re-level after getting griefed.
Ban + all characters deleted should be the punishment from blizzard.
After 3 bans it's a perma
Not only did the totem fucks them, but the guy with the golden circle over his head went middle despite being told repeatedly not to, and the mage did fuck all nothing. Lol.
Died here on my 60 in BSB. These mobs are no joke, can’t be misaligned in comms.
He said everyone go to the corner, but did he say Shaman, remove your stupid earth totem? Nope. To be fair, the shaman should have know to remove the totems to avoid aggro pull!
Clearing along the wall is the safe strategy since 2020
shaman totem aggros the first pat then the tank ints in and pulls the 2nd pat.
Mage also basically does nothing to help the situation
My hubby has been trying shaman and has died twice in dungeons in upper 30s from his totems pulling. He manages to save others but then dies. He’s a good player I told him it’s the shaman it’s bad news with the totems…
Just had a thought for the content if you reframed it from just watching deaths and "who is to blame"... wouldn't it be cooler to highlight great saves or awesome plays. I know you do throughout the videos and I feel like the focus is people dying more. Unless there just aren't that many great saves...
Mages cannot open portals in combat.
If zuck was a skilled lava jumper he could’ve maybe survived the 30 seconds
Pika could of used eagle eye to find the guy with torch and simplified everything
Side columns is correct as you use them for los.
Why anyone even tries to RUN OUT of library after all these other RIPs is just sheer stupidity at this point. If you run library and you're not done in
You can't pull those groups out into the open as they are all ranged. Most people know to use the pillars to LoS them to group them up, then move on. I don't understand why at the end they didn't just form a raid group and enter MC... Easy way out.
PEAK CONTENT. Actually at the edge of my seat ffs wow
Saw you in the new Superman trailer, didnt know you are an actor now 😆
Everyone saying the mage should have AoE but Pika was spamming for her to make a portal. So it was a bad call on his part. If he told Chloe to start doing aoe damage I bet she could have cleared it all. But he freaked out and called for a disengage and a port out so thats 100% on him as a leader he failed his group. And then for him to act like he did something so "awesome" after he made it out and completely abandoned the group that died FOR HIM, thats messed up. I actually lost a lot of respect for Pika on this one.
if killing an mage whos farming AOE lvling on quest mobs is griefing, then lvling on quest mobs is griefing too tbh, cuz other ppl cant finish theyr quest while the mage kills 10000 more than he needs for his quest.
Definitely not pikas fault hahaha watch soda vid yall are weird
Whatever. Soda gets over half way through the clip before realizing wait oh shit there is a mage. Then proceeds to talk like the mage is frost spec.
@@riziptwait are you actually talking about classic wow? Yet you do not know a fire mage STILL HAS CONE OF COLD, FROST NOVA, BLIZZARD??? He literally has no clue there is a mage cause the mage didn’t use a single aoe ability in his tool kit. Learn the game before you comment
@@josephhammond8008 Soda wasn't reading any of that. The mage did nothing but aoe. I'll give you there was no cone of cold but I saw blizzard, flamestrike, arcane explosion, frost nova. Mage didn't play well but that's not the point. Soda aint the one.
@@josephhammond8008Which lacks the slow component due to being fire. The mobs were also far too spread to even AoE them down.
@@BrandonWestfall tell me your skull is empty without telling me.
The tank and the mage have to be on the same page and they weren't. That was a disaster.
I wonder why I never see any mage using blizzard rank1 3/3talent on these occasions. Surely many more people would survive
The ledge is a reset point just have to find a LOS spot
If you switch to a raid group it'll allow you to enter mc and be safe.. also priests with holy nova can aoe the spawns..
When both Xaryu and Pika is wrong. Never go right or left if you don't keep moving it isn't safer. You go middle and hide behind Pilars. Take one pack aoe it down. Then move forward to next pilar.
Why u both doing wrong? That way u can also pull the ones u need to open the door and start the fires.
bro Xaryu agree blind Pika because he is his friend but what if, when the people in pikas group really dont know what they doing here for the first time?
why anyone groups hardcore without a mage they know irl is beyond me
I have a loud keyboard, but my god this guys keyboard is fucking nuts
honestly really like how he made the switch over, i think he should try sod hed probably get into it
Is it worth starting fresh this late?
@@michaelpurdon7032 i just got back into sod seems to be popping right now, but if you want the fresh servers do it up way to much mob comp but still fun im just waiting in sod for a bit till things thin out..... enjoy bub
Mannnn. That boss where you light the flames isn't really that hard. I feel like they could have survived. Even going down the middle is fine if you are locked in, but yeah, you gotta watch for the patrols ahead of time.
you need coms for this room
No you don't. Coms weren't that common in 04 and we cleared that room easily.
@@mistakai4226 To be fair, dying in 04 meant just making the long run back to the dungeon, and losing some durability on gear and losing some buffs.
Here it's losing 7 days play time.
They pulled like 50 mobs 😂💀
Can't really blame pika because of all the respawns that happened, but he did give it all his best to try to keep the group together.
you can blame him because its his fault. he had no idea what he was talking about called a shit strat wouldnt let anyone else talk because of his ego and then people died. 100% his fault.
@@danski8403 wall walking gives the tmost amount of time and least potential for a pat to run up behind you. it makes it extremely easy to take it 1 pack at a time. tank sits on the ground where the set you just killed was, healer hops on ledge and drinks. its not hard, you have like 20s between respawns, healer can stay topped off mana pretty much the entire time. if you go in the pillars pats can walk up on you and you can body pull the packs besides the pillars. wall is 100% safer dude
@danski8403 That's exactly correct. Nobody goes right. They go through the columns. It's easy
That Nova at exit grief 😆
felt that when he said "scheiße" :D
I've always gone to the right wall (I've always been a private server player so not sure how different it is) but I've literally never wiped doing the right wall - even without mage or decent aoe.
"Obviously, I drop a makgora" QOTD