Royal Drama! // How Historically Accurate is Mary Queen of Scots? [CC]
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Married to a man with a history degree and this is all too familiar. We can't watch anything historical without him whispering "nope, not how it happened" under his breath.
That could be me. I watch "The 13th Warrior". Well I watched the first 30 Min, or so. An arabic consultant, who speaks Latin with Vikings?
Whoa, what? That was too much, I turn the TV off.
😂👏👏👏😂
This is me. :")
Me watching anything thing do to with indigenous history in films like wtf ....
@@corinnaliebergesell5773 Eh, what can you do. People from all walks of life want representation and this is how Hollywood careers are made, through exposure in epic films. Personally I would use the "tell stories from other continents" route or "tell unexplored stories from the US/British Empire" but that's not how it works.
Jessica you have what I like to call "the Morgan Freeman effect" where you have a way of speaking that anything you say sounds eloquent, intelligent and charming, and I will believe anything you say
haha thank you!
@@jessicaoutofthecloset How about the Netflix series, have you watched it?
Yes yes YES on the mf head!!
Exactly! She could talk me into jumping off a cliff. 😂
@@Estuardino71 what netflix series i'm interested :O
Anyone else think she’d make a wonderful history teacher?
I would absolutely love that class.
@@clairwilliamson7577 Right??
Best class ever
fuck yes. even if what she teaches is slitgly off. still yes
She acts just like a combo of two of my history teachers
I feel like I’m having a conversation with my most gossipy friend over a cup of tea.
With your strong opinions on The Tudors i'd be interested in seeing you review either "The Other Boleyn girl" or "The Tudors"
Or Anne of the Thousand Days.
ugh, yes!
As someone who has studied the wives of Henry VIII, all I have to say is, "Ugggghhh historical fan fic."
@@YTistooannoying Why?
@@luaourus the Other Boleyn Girl at least takes seriously the accusation that Anne slept with *her brother* because P Gregory is apparently obsessed with incest (see Wideacre).
Aaand the Tudors is very soap operay. I loved it like crack and think it tapped into some things but it was more period drama gossip girl than particularly accurate. Especially the longer it went on.
"Je déteste l'anglais!"
"Me an aw, big yin!"
Formation of the Auld Alliance.
It's sad how schools don't teach historical accuracy. Thank you very much for putting these videos together, Jessica! 💞
Hilariously, this video has now been demonetised for 'inappropriate content'- even after manual review! Clearly RUclips is pro-Tudor! 😂
Thank you for watching! What did you think of the film?
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If you really want something to make fun of, try Ever After. It's delightful but so wildly inaccurate. My favorite is that instead of the historical marriage the prince actually made TO CATHERINE de MEDICI, he instead married Drew Barrymore. Also the costume history is extremely inconsistent; different periods and countries of clothing are all thrown together, and near the end one of the step-sisters wears change-color velvet, which didn't exist until the 1980s.
Unless this film is shown on Netflix (to which I subscribe), I am not seeing this film. From the information shared in this video, the history seems far more dramatic, violent, exciting and entertaining than the film, Mary Queen of Scots seems (full disclosure have only seen the trailer).to be. While an impossibility without a TARDIS, I would have loved to hear what the Tudors and (current) Windsors would say about one another.
Me: don't say it don't say it don't say it
My brain: divorced beheaded and died, divorced beheaded survived
Thank you for addressing her damn accent. I've watched the trailers and she shouldn't sound Scottish , she should sound french!
I’d love to see you review the historical shows out there like The Tudors and Reign
Bhavya Tanguturu I’ve watched both of those series, and it’s safe to say they are fictional at best, with some historical perspective. Both shows have even admitted this.
Are you mad? Reign is a disgrace.
Omg I tried to watch Reign and was more driven crazy by the costume inaccuracies. It's like they tried to make historical costuming from the Forever 21 prom section.
It was good when i was 13 but five years later i can’t stand watching it due to all the inaccuracy both in the plot and costumes.
NGL I loved Reign for entertainment value, but for historical accuracy? Nah. I hate the Tudors (and things like it, like Versailles) because they're just so centred around sex scenes and I aint about that chief.
At best, these kinds of 'historical dramas' get the figures' names right, and maybe some reference to some events, but they're notorious for being overwhelmingly inaccurate. So I'd suggest watching them with a grain of salt!
I got so excited when you mentioned Jacquetta of Luxembourg is your favorite historical figure, because she’s my 18th great-grandmother! I’m descended from her through one of Elizabeth Woodville’s daughters with Edward IV, Margaret Plantagenet. I don’t know much about Jacquetta, though. Why is she your favorite? I’d love to hear what you have to say about her! 😃
Hello cousin. ;) She's my 14th grand.
I love her so much. I wish I could find more resources and books both nonfiction as well as fiction about her!
1. She's FRICKIN' deaf.
2. She spoke ELEGANTLY.
3. She's a UK history GEEK.
I'm lost.
"They had 6 children but only 1 survived infancy" It's crazy to think this used to be the reality, even for kings
Queen Anne had 17 children, none of which survived past 11.
"Which historical film you want me to ruin next."
Lol 👍🏽(all of them)
I was howlin at the Scottish Highlands bit 😂😂 scottish born and bred 🏴
so many period royalty films and shows leave me sitting there going "no, that didnt happen" "nuh uh, not possible, ever" it does ruin it sometimes because I just want to enjoy lol
I also love historically critiquing films 😂😂 love you Jessica!! 💕
I love how you make every ambiguous historical content funny gossip story
Omg Jessica i LOVE your hair 😍 i adore vintage fashion and enjoy designing vintage dresses in art class 😊 i love your work, your such a hero for me, and have helped me learn soo much about history thank u so much for everything xxx kisses from Ireland
@theinquirer13 thx x
Okay I am going to stop watching for a bit here, just to say that the chances of Henry actually having killed the Princes in the Tower are slim to none. Most historians nowadays agree that it was still Richard III (who, even if you take into account Tudor villification, was a pretty shitty person by most accounts too) because of the timeframe involved. By the time Henry even got to London, the princes had been missing for years and rumours of their deaths were circulated everywhere (motivating a lot of people to jump ship to Henry's cause). If they were in fact alive, Richard could have just shown them off to the masses once in a while to disprove the allegations (or just have them continue playing in the courtyard, so there'd be sightings?) before shuffling the boys away again into the Tower.
Imo I think the whole "Henry killed the princes" theory is mostly backlash against the very Tudor-centric narrative post Bosworth. And while I get wanting to move away from the Lancaster/Tudor = good, York=evil, there just doesn't appear to be any solid evidence for it and a whole lot against it.
Sorry, I'll move on with the video now. Even though I am not British, I am pretty obsessed with England during that time period, so I get vocal about it. No bad feelings against you intended. haha;;;
Even with the best will in the world (and he hadn't) Richard mislaid not one but two princes. And he never made a serious effort to find them. That one fact goes far to indict him, but he also had means, motive and opportunity. But Richard's fans are living in a lala land of far-fetched theories. Because one person might be bad, it doesn't mean his rival is good.
Or Henry bribed someone to murder the princes, Richard knew when he found out that there was no way he wouldn't be blamed, and put off dealing with the problem until it was too late and the damage to his reputation was done. Richard didn't need the princes dead, Henry did.
On the other hand - everyone knew he was keeping the boys prisoner. If, like they did, they mysteriously dissidents, everyone would immediately blame Richard and that would NOT paint him in a good light.
big clap for Jacquetta , one tiny point Elizabeth 1 and Mary Q of S were first cousins one removed, not second cousins. BTW loved this video
Who else likes the video before even watching??
Loved this! I think a review of The Other Boleyn Girl would be amazing coming from you.
Thanks for the history lesson of Mary Queen of Scots Jessica.
I adore when you do historical videos. I'd love a series of you just teaching history!
Thanks to this, I just dug through my great uncle's family tree. If he's correct in his paper trail, I missed being a Tudor decendant thanks to a mistress. Crazy stuff.
I thought you were wearing a Boleyn necklace and that made me happy for a second, until I realised you weren’t.
I am OBSESSED with history of the monarchy. My family looks at me like I am insane when I can rattle off all kinds of historic details. (Especially since I am American). I think it is a way to stay connected to my bloodline. My grandfather came to the states from Scotland when he was 16. I am so blessed that both sides of my family are Celtic. I just wish I lived there.... thus, my obsession with the monarchy history. Absolutely LOVE y’all! Thank you for all you do!
Me too. Nobody else seems to care. We should be friends!
I love historical dramas and I have taught history in the past so I know how inaccurate they tend to be. One of my favorite things to do has been to study something with my students, then watch the film and have them compare and contrast what they learned with the film!
I do still enjoy them even if they aren't accurate though, I think of them as historical fiction!
I watch historical films a lot knowing that they're not really accurate but I really liked those types of movies and I really enjoyed Queen of Scots even knowing it was wrong and I think I would watch it again I really did like it
Oh God. Henry VII forcing Elizabeth of York into marriage and also forcing a pregnancy on her prior to said marriage is A MYTH. Jessica mentioned that she is a fan of Philippa Gregory, and having been a fan myself I kind of know where she might bave gotten that historical fact from -- Philippa, while a good writer, also heavily fictionalized certain things (which is fine, as a historical fiction writer) and really enjoyed villifying Margaret Beaufort and Henry VII for some indiscernible reason. Like for some reason Gregory REALLY loves making Margaret out into a dragonish mother-in-law, a religious fanatic, and controlling authority figure while conveniently leaving out how she was a paragon for education and quite the scholar, not to mention codifying the customs and cares for childbirth at court because she was impregnated AT THIRTEEN, resulting in a very troublesome, painful birth and possibly rendering her unable to have more children. She sure as hell wanted to make sure that didn't happen to another woman. Furthermore, the marriage was arranged by Margaret and Elizabeth Woodville (EoY's mum) themselves, and there's been PLENTY of debate over the timing of EoY's pregnancy, but it's never been confirmed or agreed that Henry VII forced her in order to confirm that she is fertile.
By certain accounts Margaret Beaufort and Henry VII didn't try to make grand claims that they were the legitimate claimants to the throne, especially not with the main Yorkists and Lancasters duking it out, and they only really went for it because, after a while, it was the only way Henry could feasibly return to England -- go big or go into exile forever and maybe possibly be assassinated. Henry VII in turn didn't try to reference his Lancastrian heritage during his reign, knowing that people were aware (or would be aware) that he was of a distant line, and focused on stabilizing the kingdom instead of making big moves. He was famously devoted to his wife, never taking a mistress (believe me when I say this ia a big. ass. deal) and going into a deep depression after she died, and there are accounts showing Margaret Beaufort and Elizabeth of York being quite close.
It's a trend I've noticed in certain circles of historical readers (scholars or otherwise), where they choose to put the more popular, well-known historical figures into villainous roles in favour of the others, as a "gotcha!" to people used to seeing them praised as heroes. Like trying to subvert Elizabeth I as the good virginal queen, but instead getting a LITTLE too carried away. (Don't get me started on Philippa Gregory seemingly having a kink with the idea that Elizabeth inherited her Anne Boleyn's supposed seductive, sexual behaviour as a young teen, and almost near fetishizing Elizabeth's stepdad molestation of her. THE GIRL WAS A YOUNG TEEN, A CHILD, and there are accounts of her being afraid to be near him, always wanting to be close to her governess, thereafter. But no, Gregory really enjoyed playing the idea that Elizabeth was secretly another Anne Boleyn at the age of thirteen. This is also the same author who wrote EoY as in love with Richard III, her not-even-distant uncle -- which isn't terrible as one could read it as a precocious crush, a young woman who didn't know better or thought it was normal, but it becomes terrible when she writes it as a tragic, forbidden love story, oh-so cruelly thwarted by Henry, that horrible horrible man.)
Neither is right, and some historical revisionism is important sometimes, but dear God not like this.
Oh thank God, I am not the only one feeling like that. I love Jessica's videos but I admit that I got a little worried when she mentioned being obsessed with Philippa Gregory (Whom I detest) bc that woman's novels are about as accurate as a trashy tabloid rag. And then she got to Henry VII and well.....
I also noticed she said that Henry put the princes in the tower when it was actually Richard III, the one Henry defeats on the battlefield in 1485
THANK YOU ! I haven't watched the movie because I just can't stand historical inaccuracies and don't want to spend money on something that would just make me cringe. I absolutely adore this part of history and it does annoy me a bit that historically inaccurate movies or series (Reign or this movie) get so much success.
Have you seen Thomas Imbach's Mary queen of scots from 2012 ? I haven't seen it yet but from the trailer it already seems much more accurate... Mary actually has a FRENCH accent in it
Haven't seen it, just find your quintessentially British manner of complaint with an upbeat smile very charming. I must say that my history education from school was pretty spot on with what you pointed out which pleased me.
As soon as the ads for the film started airing, I said I wasn't going to view. NO one EVER shows Mary as she was, a privileged French woman, where in letters she says dreadful things of her fellow Scots., So you didn't ruin it for me. I'm a history geek, too & historical inaccuracies, something Hollywood is great at, drive me bonkers, so I don't watch movies much & I'm not into fiction or fantasy...but loved THIS vlog! Thanks so much, from the states,
As a historian I think you are presenting knowledge accessible way :) btw. you look stunning!
I recently re-watched The Other Boylen Girl, and spent most of the movie saying "Nope, nope, nope", "well that's clearly wrong" and "eugh" the ended up turning it off before the end. I haven't watched this yet, but I think I still will. Sometimes actually knowing history makes enjoying films that take privileges with the truth difficult.
Next time I am upset with someone I will just tell them, "I mean, you're not a Tudor, but you still suck." 😅
Best. History, Teacher. Ever. ❤️
I was so frustrated by this film but now I'm so glad I watched it because it led me to this WONDERFUL chanel! Excellant video
I REALLY REALLY appreciate the background! That was as concise as anybody could have possibly made 3 generations of Royal family (with a little comedy thrown in)... Great Job!
OMG I was deep into writting a horrible paper and contemplating jumping off a bridge when I watched this video and remembered that learning is fun and I love investigating and coming to my own conclusions about, in my case, literature. Thank you so much, once again you have saved my life and you've done it in an entertaining and delightful way. Much appreciated.
I was very skeptical about the film when I saw that they portrayed the queens meeting and so avoided it knowing the historical inaccuracies would frustrate me to no end. On the other hand, the book The Winter King may interest you (there is also a documentary) as it is a highly researched account of Henry VII
I know that my time is not waisted here, on her channel. It really such a pleasure to watch her videos (especially about some history) when you are tired after hard day or just want to rest a little. Aaaaand... Time is not waisted.
I wish subscribers become more active. PEOPLE WHERE ARE U? U MISS SUCH A THING
19:06 I have to say, I love your delivery of lines like this one. ROTFL
regardless of historical accuracy, 2018 period drama being led by 2 LGBT stories about the english royalty is a mood
Thank you for another historical movie assessment! Please do more.
I found the film skewed to Mary fan fic (I guess the film makers know who'll be buying the tickets.) But people tend to forget that not only France but the most powerful empire in Europe, Spain, wanted to see Mary on the throne, and England taken back from the Protestants generally. The attack of the Spanish Armada in 1588 was in part brought on by Mary's execution in 1587; that and they thought a weak woman would be easy pickings.
Mary "kidnapped and raped" by Bothwell -- uh huh. Nice story, Jan.
I have not watched the film, but I am so fascinated by your analysis on the historic side of it. And OMG, the history of it was just utterly brutal, cruel and appalling to me. I really love you do these kind of videos, love the way you narrate and you have increase a bit of knowledge in my tiny brain, broadening my horizon!
I've never seen it, I just enjoy you. But I got a congratulations at the end so .. Yayy
I didn't even watch Mary Queen of Scots but I immensely enjoyed this video. I'm not even British. I don't even know the slightest about all the things Jessica talked in the video but I hope she'll make more history story time (??) old royal family drama (????) videos because this is SO FUN. Doesn't even have to be a film review! All love!
I know it's a step away from what you usually do, but I'd love it if you did a video about the film "Dunkirk"
YES! Love a bit of history! Got so excited when the notification came up! Hoping you're feeling a bit better than you have been. Also, you're looking super lovely
Jessica, you’re a delight to watch! I find your videos very enjoyable and informative.
When they tore away her dress to reveal the red one underneath I did burst out laughing, I mean who knew that velcro was a thing in the 16th century!
But seriously I would be interested to see a film or series on James the First as he was known for having favourite male courtiers and being 'inappropriately affectionate' towards them in front of everyone at court.
I love your take on history! You make it so interesting. Love you Jessica xxxx 💕💕💕
Yay! I absolutely love history, thank you for making this ❤️
These are always so informative and a delight to watch! Thank you!
Great and fun analysis of the history behind the film. When is first heard about the film, I was very excited to see it. Then I heard how loosely it used the history of these two women and was not impressed. There’s a good documentary on RUclips somewhere of two actors reading the letters of Mary and Elizabeth that’s really well done and made very real to me their relationship to one another.
Your history videos are amazing! I’m in love with British history and I could watch hours of you talking about it! Just love the way you explain things! Your very real about it. Please do more
I love these history lesson videos! and thanks for putting in the closed captions! :)
Your channel makes me so happy. You are just so dang likeable.
Jessica, it is very easy to make it to the end of your video's. Even when my interest doesn't lye in certain topics you talk about. You have a lovely voice!
This is fabulous! I already loved your content but now that I know you are a history nerd like myself I’m completely obsessed! ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Seriously, I love the way you're always smiling, even when things are not going according to plan. This doesn't fit the subject of this video, just thought I'd say. You always brighten my day, Jessica ❤️
I love your film reviews!!
Especially the historical dramas!!
I loved what you had to say and your overall presentation. ( You always look so lovely and it gave me a good laugh) I'll get my husband to watch it with me and tell him about some historical inaccuracies and watch him go crazy for days looking them up. 😂 Win/Win
I’d totally be down for a Kellgren-Fozard film club. I really enjoy seeing how passionate you are about film, your takes on them are so interesting!
If you was my history teacher I would have aced history thank you for the accurate information with a sense of humor.
I love these vids!! Thanks so much for making them, they make my day so much better!
As a newbie to your channel, I've got to say just how much I've been enjoying your videos (especially some of the Christmas ones). Cheers, and best wishes to you both
I LOVE your explanations of English history. I've always been fascinated with monarchies and the gossip is just so much more entertaining when you describe it! I haven't seen the movie yet, but I definitely plan to. Accurate or not, I can't pass up a fun period piece. The clothing alone looks like it will be worth a watch!
I am loving these videos! Jessica is hilarious! And historically accurate. If all teachers were as entertaining and enthusiastic, kids would actually learn. Thanks!
I have not seen it yet, I still plan to, as a historian I go into all historical dramas assuming they will sacrifice the historical for the drama.
Loved your interpretation!
You are rapidly becoming one of my, if not my favorite RUclipsr. 💕
Not just historical films but I would really enjoy your explanations of English history. More enjoyable than when I learned it in school.
Not a film, but you should do a historical review of the TV series (or book series upon which the TV show is based) Wolf Hall, based around the life of Thomas Cromwell.
Aaah woo! Thank you for doing this!
You need to do sooooo MANY more of these.
Hi, I'm a hearing person starting out learning to sign, and I came across your excellent video on bsl. I then went on to see if you had made any more on this topic, so I hoped over to your channel. Well I watched a couple of your videos on disability, and other topics, too, and wow, Jessica you are such an inspiration. Please keep up the good work on your videos and I wish you good health. :)
Fantastic run through of the history. I haven't seen the movie and apparently missed my chance as it was removed from the streaming service I was going to watch it on... None of your videos should EVER be demonitised & @RUclips needs to figure out more about the real world. Also, since I'm watching this after New Years 2021, congratulations and I hope everything is going well!
Love, love, love, these videos. How did you get so darn SMART?!!!?!!!
I am OBSESSED with my love Mary!!!! I'm feelin my oats watching this omg!! she's on my phone case, screensavers, forever tattooed on my heart...I HAVE BEEN SAVED BY THIS VIDEO!! Thank you for coming to my TED talk
I love you! I was only 30 seconds in and already giggling. I'm a history buff so these videos make me happy :)
I absolutely love these videos! Thank you!
This woman loves all of my favorite time periods AND SHE IS A FAN OF JACQUETTA OF LUXEMBOURG TOO! 🥺✌🏻💖
Great video! I always think it's funny that the film makers change so much. The real story clearly contains enough drama on its own and doesn't need to be "spiced" up! I think it would be awesome if you reviewed the show The Crown!
Loved the bit about everything in this video
This is so interesting! Since you talked about Catherine of Aragon, have you seen the series that just came out? I think it's called the Spanish Princess and talks about her early years with the English court. It seems really intense thought with all of Henry's wives x.x
I had some kind of pox that I got after chicken pox and it had very little physical effects. I have some purple-y pock marks on my thighs, stomach and inside of my elbows (The squishy bits) but most are barely noticeable. While it was most likely a weak ancestor of cow pox, it's unlikely that Elizabeth's face would have been so heavily marked.
You are such an inspiration and I love your video's so very much!! ❤🧡💛💚💙💜
You make history even more excited and i love it a lot
In brazil prince Dom Pedro became empire at age 5 and i'm chocked, great britain is even more wild
High drama and intrigue back in those days. Love your videos.
If you had been my history teacher in school, I DEFINITELY would have paid more attention! LOVE these videos! ❤
Divorced, beheaded, died, divorced, beheaded, survived.
Ohh Jessica please do make more videos about history, I love how you present things!
Just found your channel today. AMAZING! I haven’t seen this movie yet...and now I don’t need to! Please ruin any and all historically inaccurate movies FOREVER! So funny. Love, love, love your channel!
I wish we could just have Jessica as a presenter for all BBC historical documentaries!
Thank you sooooo much for laying out all the historical details! Now that I know how inaccurate it is, I think I will still see it, but treat it more as historical fiction inspired by history rather than an actual story about what happened.
If anyone’s interested in Henry VIII’s wives there’s a really awesome musical called Six about them!
It's super catchy but not tbh not all that historically accurate unfortunately...