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Bravo on the in depth look at positives and negatives from your experience!!!
this is great!!!!!!!!!! I have Wilson WP6. I thought they were broken until I moved them into the right spot in the room. Literally a few millimeters made a world of difference. Agree with the shouty mids. You are right on the money with this review.
Your segment on magic, is the kiss of death for me, if I was to ever consider magico speakers......
In my opinion - this is a GREAT video - it's an amazing comparison review between some of the greatest "heavy hitters" in our hobby - the insights you spoke about, the unabashed criticisms, the pro and con approach, all of it is so welcomed - and rant away Jay, I really felt you were being completely honest which is all any of us could ask for, certainly fine by me - - - of a surprise to me, you're description and satisfaction for the 20.7's, I mentioned before that I don't take you for a "maggie guy" and that doesn't mean that you are so yeah, I do get that you're referencing your comment about it in it's particular price category, bang for the buck, as it were but I also think that your assessment of them is "nuts on" - - I don't mean to say it over and over, but I sooo appreciate what you're doing, thank you Jay.
Thank you Jay that was great ! Very detailed and and lots of information .
Thanks for your inside View. Sometimes a brand is out when you don't get a great service.
Jay took the gloves off, and slapped WA and Magico. Love it. I've had limited listening exposure to the Sasha DAWs, The Stella, and the M3, but not in my home. As such, I highly value Jay's assessments. My own evaluation on personal limited experience was WA Alexias my favorite, Focal's Stella Utopia evo close behind, Sasha DAWs third place, Magico M3 technically impressive ,but not captivating in last place. I can't comment on Maggies 20.7 as I've never heard them in person, tough I' ve listened to smaller size Maggies.
I bow to Jay's evaluation as he had extended exposure in his own dedicated room with quite good acoustics.
Thanks Jay.
Thank you for your honesty. I've found your channel just a few days ago and really enjoy your views and honesty on high end audio.
Thanks. Please share my channel
Beholding to no one - speaking from experience - telling truth - Integrity! Thanks Jay!
Wow Jay, what an AMAZING and COMPREHENSIVE comparison of 4 major speakers. Have to say your honest and insightful critiques track exactly with what I'm hearing. This review is unlike ANY speaker review I've ever heard and incredibly helpful. You are THE SITE and DA MAN for anyone interested in audio at this level:) Can't wait to hear what comes next. Keep up the great work and many, many thanks.
Thank you
Thank you for your brutal honesty! So Looking forward to what you bring in next.
My pleasure Shannon
One of the most truthful and honest reviews I heard on speakers on RUclips yet
I'm living the dream through you. I see these speakers in magazines and wonder which one I'd get if I had the resources. Thanks for taking the time to put this together, I enjoyed it.
Thanks for such a fantastic review of those 4 speakers, Jay. I really appreciate the detail and honesty you went into in your descriptions of them. One thing that really kinda stuck out to me was Magico’s cost of a single f’n tweeter (not including labor) and return policy, but it’s not like I’m gonna be buying a pair anytime soon, but still... Christ, even my Volvo dealer gave me a loaner car for a couple days. Thanks again, Jay.
This was a informative review. If one is spending that much dough, you want to get your money’s worth! Truly in the end, it is what you like that will make you stay and listen for hours.
Jay, thanks for your honesty. It would be great if you can review Vivid Audio, Kharma and Stenheim speakers in the future
As an audio design company, it's rough to hear you rip key companies new a**holes. HOWEVER all sound truth and honest criticism from your highly refined viewpoint. You got balls Jay and hats off to you! We hate homogenized reviewing and appreciate this true high end freak's honesty.
I'm trying to put it bluntly. I'm sick of hearing the same stupid reviews over and over again
Allways depends on combinations and room. When things are right Wilson anytime for me...
Great reviews. Thanks for being straight up and honest.
Jay; nice review with very insightful comments & evaluations. After fifty years of the high end (including Audio Note, Krell, Classe, Apogee Grands, Magico M5s, etc), we've ended up with custom ordered silver internals 5 wpc PX25 Art Audio and Avantgarde Duo Grossos. Beautiful; amazing...
Great rant on magico repair shipping issues
Time to get a pair of Legacy Aeris for the 25K and under test, then Legacy Valor in the Reference category 😃
Agreed
I've felt for a long time that Legacy has a negative affordability bias against them ... ie., lack of due respect ... they punch way above their price point.
Bill Duddleston, yes, his Kung Fu is good indeed.
The Emporer’s New Clothes!
For forty years I’ve devoured magazine reviews, visited shows, dealers and waded through the internet.
The whole industry, including journalists, seems invested in never speaking their truth.
I’ve listened to multi-hundred thousand dollar systems that sound flat as a pancake. And no-one utters a word.
Finally - balanced, real-world feedback…. with an opinion.
Finally.
I love your rant about Magico not helping to ship/return their products. You are spot on that if Mercedes can have customer service like they do for a $35k car, then you should get white glove service BOTH WAYS for you $90k speakers...
interesting take - good job! I Love my Wilson DAWs. PERIOD
Excellent comments, I fully agree with you.
My favorite are Focal Utopia although my dream are the MBL 101Xtreme omnidirectional loudspeakers and electronics, they play in a different league to the rest but it’s a million dollar setup.
Never heard the 101, just like Wilson’s top two (WAMM Master Chronosonic and XVX), those three are my unicorns; my favorites are the Bayz Audio Counterpoint 2.0 and the Sonus Faber Aida 2.
Among the “affordable” ones, Scala Utopia Evo.
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Excellent loudspeakers too 👌🎼🎼🎼
best review in a long time! really enjoyed it!
Thanks Jay! Verify informative information, I appreciate it. Happy Thanksgiving
Not only extremely illuminating, this Video is highly educative, a Master lesson on what All to look for, to look out for. Most Gripping 40 Audio Minutes in a long time.
Love the real-world issues you raise,: re: 'Speakers are on loading dock. Get them picked up.'' Plus: Kids will poke tweeters... could you not throw in set of grills for $85K!
If you allow grandchildren anywhere near your stereo system, you get what you deserve. If they are your grandkids, make sure your kids know they will be paying to repair your speakers. If they won't, take them to court, get a judgement.
Just never allow children anywhere near your speakers. Period.
Real world??? US $140,000
Hi Jay - love the reviews. Honest and straight from the shoulder. Plus, you bring up points that many would not think of - real world points that have meaning once you own the speakers. I subscribed for these reasons.
Thank you Jay, incredible review, great work ! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Jay you seriously have the most thought provoking channel in highend audio. Very informative. Question for you my local dealer is selling a pair of pre-certified mint Alexia’s with a 3 year warranty for 23k. Should grab them or a brand new pair of 20.7’s?
I really enjoyed your reviews. Everything you mentioned was right on. I had a Sophia3 and I loved it. I had a Q3
Which I found it made the Sophia 3 sounded opaque. I own a Maggie 1.7i,3.7i and I absolutely agree with your
Comments about it. I also agreed with you regarding Nordost+ Magico/Wilson.
I had a Q3 and a S3 MK2 - the Q3 were lacking Bass in a way it sounded like a portable radio and its tweeter was very harsh, the S3 was better in those regards, I finally have moved to a Wilson Alexia 2 speaker and it's day and night difference, the problem with Magico in my opinion is that sealed box making the speaker un-efficient at all, it doesn't make any sense putting a lot of amp into a speaker, even when you do that you still don't get that full body presentation you should have, current wilsons speakers are VERY open and detailed and have that mid-bass-bass extension, a clear winner in my opinion, it looks like it's in general Jay's opinion as well.
The purpose of the absorber is to control DIFFRACTIONS - not reflections. First used by AR speakers in the late '70s and early '80s. For the record - I have NEVER HEARD A MAGOO (Magnepan) IMAGE
Jay quite agree with you regarding Magico simply shocking having to send speaker back just to replace tweeter is bonkers and your analogy with Marcedes is spot on both high value items should have better customer service then that ,would definitely put me off buying Magico even if i could afford too.Dont get me started on the lack of grilles either. nice review. cheers
I appreciate your Honest opinion. As much as these speakers cost it could pay to listen here. Thanks
This Magico attitude with repairs etc ALONE would let me refrain from getting one of their speakers. But I‘m a Wilson fan anyway…so no problem for me 😇
I think a lot of folk forget that most high end audio companies are in the market to maximize profit on a few 'gullible' folk. They believe that their customers are 'gullible', and they have this attitude...'sheep are there to be 'fleeced''. Now this attitude is fairly prevalent in high end audio, and it is due to a lot of folks who are simply ignorant of this attitude, or dont care either way! So long as customers do NOT vote with their wallets, and do so consistently, these bad apples are going to continue with this business practice...
@@daveyf3144 …it all comes down to what is important to you. If you’re very much into audio (and have the possibilities) you know that you simply cannot reach the potential sound quality of a Wilson (some say Magico) with a speaker for - let’s say 4 to 5 thousand bucks.
That’s the truth …if one likes it or not! And to call those people „sheep“ tells me that you probably have never heard such a system in person and most likely have been surrounded yourself (in forums etc) with likeminded people…where one constantly „confirms“ the others uneducated opinions. But I‘m tired of these discussions… either keep your opinion or open your mind and ears …and you will most likely discover a whole new (audio) world and level of playback music. Have a nice X-mas
@@bikemike1118 Re-read my post above. I did not say people are sheep ready to be fleeced, I stated that is what many high end audio companies and manufacturer's believe. If you read posts too quickly you will likely come here with comments like you did.
LOVE my DAW's, Spectral and MIT = MUSIC AT IT'S BEST
Really enjoying your justified 'rants' about speaker shortcomings. It all had to be said!
Right on, Jay!
I recognize many features of my Magnepan LRS speakers, good story..
Well done. Enjoyed this. Cheers!
As with the Stella’s, the new PS audio FS20 I’m reviewing are so smooth without killing the audiophile bits. The imaging is fantastic. Love this presentation. Reviewed it with the 866 …..
Cool
Bro, I love your no BS style of reviewing- giving it the way it is.
I've got a funny feeling your next set of speakers are going to be B&W 800D3.
Great. Please subscribe to my channel
Jay; outstanding review across all speakers that you have shown, your review is exemplary beyond any other, super thanks
love this video, good points on all reviewed speakers. thank you
Focal speakers inverted tweeter doesn't ring or fatigue the ears like the B&W speakers.
Awesome review! Love the extraordinarily honest cons! 🙂 Btw i love my well aged "3a Audio Design Midi Master" monitors (no crossovers), i really do. 💝
Jay how about ML unless I missed it I don’t remember you talking about them , Ml has followed advantages over Maggie based on your review:
1. Requires much less power to play
2 Requires less space
3 . Most likely can play better in the lower registers
4 . I enjoy listening to ML with low volume, actually this is first speaker that made low volume acceptable to me ,
5 built in anthem room correction is very cool feature that none of these speakers have
They will always have a place in my heart. Logans are great
Appreciate your insight into these speakers-very very helpful!!!! I heard the 40th anniversary Focal's with M400's, Rossini, & D'Agostino preamp & that was the best
musical experience with equipment that I have ever heard! I think the cables were Nordost too (which I don't usually care for) but I could listen to that for hours. I have
seen some videos on the Alsyvox speakers with the external crossovers & that sound seems to be the most real sounding speakers. Have you heard them before?
I have the Alexia's now & it may be awhile before I can spend more but your videos are Very helpful!!!
Never heard those speakers. Thank you for the comment
No nonsense reviews, and got to respect that. Jay, how about some of the big, active ATC’s, like SCM 100 or 150? They are almost in my price range, and would love to hear your impressions of them. Thanks and keep up the good work.
Have you ever heard the Kef Reference Model 4.2 played? I've had them for 15 years now and tried many others, but these speakers sound so good, I'll never get rid of them. If you have heavy amplification for them, then they sound really phenomenal. Thank you for your high-end videos and for the explanation. Top... Greetings from the Netherlands Limburg Maastricht and above all continue with High-end.
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Happy to have found your channel, I enjoy your videos. Great work!
Thank you.
Dude, you are the best!!
What do you think about the Wilson Sabrinas for medium room? I heard them once and they sounded neutral to me.
Great video Jay. Love your insight!!!
very informative jay thank you.....
Thank you Jay
That was an excellent and honest analysis of your experience with these speakers ,a rare think in social media in general....so what is next ? An eggleston Viginti perhaps ?
Very very impressive loudspeakers, even by just standing next to them.
I witnessed another pair ( set of 3 (!) ) for a Chinese customer at Kharma factory.
… with 3 pcs of matching Subs…🧐
The fit & finish is abs off the scale
In their listening room, with just a cup of coffee, and those loudspeakers delivering music…. 😇
They deliver Sooo effortlessly, they just fill the room with a performance, not only with sound.
Almost scary…
Then I bought the DB7 signature.
( at 5% of the price of the big boys… Still a lot of money for a working man…
And still a magnificent loudspeaker, albeit a little less magnificent 😉
Great review Jay! Thank you.👍😁
Thanks Jay - Love your honesty!
Magnepans for me, you end it there,
A very honost talk Jay,you are right about Wilson carpet! And ofcourse Magico...
Excellent I like your comment. Thank you
Wilsons use the foam to keep diffraction down. You either have no baffle B&W design, or a baffle and any baffle creates issues. So they try to get around it with the foam. I am not saying it's good or bad but seems horrid if it deteriorates. Yes they look ugly too but honestly the Sabrina isn't as bad looking. It still stands out as ugly compared to the B&W but they sound better. The tune tot is the cutest speaker they make but who wants to spend 10k on a bookshelf?
Your reviews are perfectly balanced between positives and negatives. The Absolute Sound and Stereophile would never go there.
Hi Jay. What a great review and a wealth of knowledge. I like the Maggie's of the four. Im just wondering if you will do a review of my favorite speaker the Vandersteen model 7 extreme at 84000$ I have been told they are absolutely like listening to live music which this hobby is all about. Let me know. Thx
I would love to hear your take on Legacy Audio's top tier speakers. Well done on this post.
Interesting views ! I do like the looks of Wilsons very much, but you‘re right about the „carpet“/ foam material which also degrades over time.
I don't think the disappearing act on the Magico's is due to rounded edges. I have had many different speakers, less expensive than what you are presenting here, and the Totem Acoustics Hawks are what I consider a Houdini speaker. They vanish away, they put out a soundstage that it is unheard of for such a small and inexpensive speaker. The presentation is holographic and tridimensional; it seems like the music is coming out from the wall behind the speakers. Definitely my favorite speaker up to a 5K budget. That said the enclosure design of the Hawks is very simple, reason for which I think there is something else involved with the disappearing act. Awesome system!!!!
Very Good video . Great descriptions and comparisons
I agree with you about Nordost speaker cables - they are great in some settings, but not a good fit for Wilson Audio speakers.
Jay I would love to hear your thoughts on goldenear Triton reference and tekton design Ulfberdts. Much cheaper price points and newer players to the market. It would good to see how they compare to these higher priced models
You might get your wish real soon 🙂!!!
@@jaysaudiolab can't wait!!
High Pile felt.
I own a pair of maestro evo with a pair of 212sx and a pair of S812. Love it
I was looking at Mágico and no Grilles plus exposed dangerous Beryllium tweeters if disturbed- with a little one. NOPE! Hello Focal Kanta No2s in the Family Room and Sopra No3's in listening room, both with grilles and no removable tweeter grille.
Thanks for a good and informative video. Very honest review of the speakers. Could you dissect Stellas electromagnetic power supply for the woofer a bit more? How it works and/or demo the difference between the 3 settings. Many thanks
New to the channel, dig the video great job man.
If you like Maggies, but need something more... then Audiovector speakers with Arrete tweeter might be your best bet. Audiovector and Gryphon uses eachothers gear when developing new products.
Love this video!
Thanks !
No, YOU should not be crating/shipping your Magicos, that's your DEALER'S job.
Same for picking them up from the shipping dock; your DEALER arranges return freight.
You are treating them like they are an Internet direct company; in fact most companies won't even talk to you as a user, that's your DEALER's responsibility.
Great work 👍 all that gear.....and your audio is clipping.....just had to do it......
Take 2 by a slight difference..
2 seems a bit more pure a bit more articulate a bit more commanding
1 is a glass of slightly cloudy water 2 is a glass of clear mountain water...hard to put into words...
Great!! Wonder if the smaller Focal Scala Utopia evo similar to forgiving nature of the Stella?
Your opinion Jay has weight because of your first-hand experience with high-quality gears.
That rant about he carpet is epic!
I want the 20.7 so badly. I’m upset at Magnepan for “ruining” my listening habit. I can no longer listen to conventional speakers because they sound “boxy” and/or “small”. I’m on my 3rd pair and slowly climbing up the Magnepan line.
I can relate to not being able to live with conventional sealed/ported box speakers (though at a lower price point). Maggie’s are great, but I agree about the sweet spot. If you’re going to spend fir 20.7 you might check out PBN audio. Customs speakers out of California. About same price as 20.7 if you buy direct.
@@Scottlp2 I just checked their website. I’ve never heard of them and they look well established with a large selection of speakers, multiple amazing turntables, and amplifiers. I lived in Cali for some time and never heard of PBN. 🤷🏻♂️ What’s up?
@@epi2045 one of a few of high end/low visibility brands. I only ran across on audiogon. Coupla other thoughts:
Dynamic speakers that “don’t sound like boxes”: 1. Omnis eg Ohm or $25k space pods, few other omnis 2. Open baffles e. g. spatial audio, pure audio project,Tri-Art Audio, 3. “Box speakers” with wide dispersion eg PBN. There are others with wide dispersion eg my $1300 LSAs, perhaps Dali and Revel (since wide dispersion).
PBN gets great mentions on audiogon and rave review on net, Pure audio project is modular with wide price range and I’m told tonal balance similar to Maggie’s (not as attractive though).
@@Scottlp2 I went to a website called “the sound station” locates in Oklahoma. They are slashing price’s on many PBN gear (30-70% off). I’m very tempted.
@champer slimmerthannone I have used several amps over a series of several Magnepans. The best amplifier however is my Mark Levinson No. 331 which can be found used for $1-2K depending on the condition. New $4-5K but are now discontinued. It’s only 100wpc but is factory rated down to 2ohms at 400wpc.
Magnepan says their speakers are 4 ohms but I’m sure they spend quite a bit of time in the 2 ohm range. I’ve had newer and more expensive amplifiers with even more “watts” but nothing drives my Magnepan’s better than my Mark Levinson’s which weighs 94lbs.
would love Jay's opinion on the B&W 801 & 802 D4.
Audiophiles should have an opinion and it's great when people express it for a change plainly! But we hear things differently and have different tastes, preferences and priority. In my case its a slight coloration on the absolute sound and favoring emotional impact over precision. Cheers and keep the reviews coming....Regardless in terms of that wow moments what do you think about MBL extreme, it was eye opening and as a home theater overkill set up can't imagine anything better for now.....
Great, as usual!
I agree Jay that Magico customer service is BS! Would not buy for that reason after your critique! Focal Stella would be my speaker if I had the space and $$$ 😢. Musicality is the most important ❤ !
Magico isn't setup to deal directly with customers, your DEALER is supposed to provide customer service and take care of picking up the speakers and returning them to your home.
Great review... Hope your waiting for some Tektons
I wish I had that problem.. thinking my Wilson’s are hideous with the grills off.
Watch out that's teakwood and listen don't touch!😁
So why don't you try the magnapan speakers on your new equipment?it would be interesting to hear.
But what do you think about the carpet on the front of Wilson speakers, I would be interested to hear your opinion.
The Focals resemble elephant front legs. The Wilsons resemble dumpsters .The Magicos resemble the creatue in the movie Alien.Don't the Magicos have a removable rear dress panel which allows access to the inside of the cabinet?
Why not test the Focal Evo 3 Utopias. They ate suppose to have everything of the Focal Stellias and more
What your reference subwoofer(s)?
Wait you are not done without trying some top the line JBL or Tannoy with alnico compressor loaded speakers. New or vintage and you might like them....
One day !