A couple of things you didn't mention about the Sion: With the back seats down, cargo capacity goes up to 53 cubic feet, I think. Also the Sion can tow a trailer. Still the Aptera will go farther on a charge and regather range under charging faster due to its greater efficiency.
25.500€ for the sonomotor Sion. With full vehicle to grid and vehicle to vehicle charging plus 2 sockets 230v Schuko on board. Fast charge and includes a Trailer hitch. I definitely take the Sion. Charge sharing, car sharing and ride sharing on board right out of the box. Big plus it's a german car. 7,5 square meters of solar right in the body.
The main difference is that Sono Sion is a proper multi function car whit a back seat and a tow bar. It works as a small family car or a utility vehicle. Aptera is very purposefully design for one thing. Maximum aerodynamic efficiency and does that great but it also limits it to transport two people and some cargo. Sion is also designed to be easy to repair and for car-sharing. And there is also another Solar car. Lightyear One. It uses the same technology as Aptera with hub motors and aerodynamic design but it’s a large hatchback that’s seats five people.
@@moestrei I got the chance to drive the prototype and I know it far from what the final car will be but I really liked it and what they are trying to achieve.
@@DuesenbergJ I believe the prototype was a modified BMW i3. Many people liked the idea and the owner-friendly concept (flexibility, repair-ability, bi-directional DC port) but they have such a hard time to get production going that many got disheartened and cancelled the reservation. The price 'adjustment' for the battery did not help either. I still wish them all the best but I am more interested in the Aptera now days.
Rheingold it was more or less a i3 in a new body. Really hope they make it. If nothing else to see cars from Trollhättan again. But they face “production hell ” and competition from many different electric cars that have come on to the market since Sono started. So it will be though.
only its near four times as expensive. Most cars generally only have a driver and a passenger, therefore the Sion would be more suited for a family, as a single I go for the Aptera.
Couple things about Japan. The American dollar can not let Japan fail because of it’s stratigic location from the Chinese main land. Japanese compines will get substities and everything they need to stay on the US Dallar. If your a Patriot supporting either company is in Americas interest. For me and mine, We will be Aptera! (P.S. Toyotas are Hard to kill and I won’t say anythig bad about them. Much Respect.)
The first Aptera model to be made has an EPA range of 400 miles not 250 miles. A model with 250 miles will be made eventually but models with 600 miles and 1000 miles of EPA range will be made first. Note the Sion's 158 miles of range is under the WLTP test cycle, not EPA.
@@apterareboot1555 ok not one person may live long anoff for vehicles brand new be made cheaper than buying a battery, so people are willing to change a battery because not every one has 20 grand and not everyone has credit or a co signer.
I reserved Sion 4,234. Do you think it will ever come to the USA? I also reserved the Aptera Dec 9. I think that is more the "motorcycle" for me. Drive for a few hundred miles then camp for a few days while recharging.
I guess this makes more sense that comparing an Aptera to a Tesla but the Aptera has such a limited use compared to either one of these four passenger vehicles I just don't get it Comparing other two passenger sports / commuter vehicles would be a much better waste of time.
First, this didn't strike me as biased at all - the video clearly acknowledges that these are very different vehicles, and which would be "better" depends a great deal on your use case. Second, I'd disagree with how you've categorized each vehicle. The Aptera isn't a sports car, but a hyper-efficient transporter; the "swoopy" looks and two-seat configuration are about efficiency, not styling or maximal driving fun. VW's XL1 was similar in its motivation, and produced a similarly futuristic butterfly-doored two-seater, albeit in dramatically different form (and a much higher price point, but hey, it was 2013), but despite all that was also decidedly not a "sports" car. For its part, the Sion is decidedly NOT a "minivan" - it's in that gray "hatchback/wagon" area inhabited by vehicles like the old Toyota Matrix, but nowhere near the size or versatility of a minivan. Given that, the two vehicles are a lot more similar than, e.g., a Honda Odyssey and a Miata would be. Third, I think a head-to-head comparo of these two vehicles is justified by a simple fact - they're both upcoming $~30k compact BEVs in a U.S. market set to be saturated with hulking $50k+ electric C/SUVs - there are few if any value-priced BEVs slated to launch nationwide in the U.S. this year (CARB-only states don't count). By contrast, these BEVs are both affordable for mainstream new-car buyers, practical (in different ways), and solar-power enhanced. As different as the vehicles are in form factor, they'll definitely be cross-shopped by BEV buyers. If Sono ships to the U.S., I know I'll be considering both when it's time to replace my current 2012 BEV.
A couple of things you didn't mention about the Sion: With the back seats down, cargo capacity goes up to 53 cubic feet, I think. Also the Sion can tow a trailer.
Still the Aptera will go farther on a charge and regather range under charging faster due to its greater efficiency.
Thanks for letting us know.
The 3.5 second 0-60 is for the AWD model. FWD provides 5.5 second acceleration. (Aptera FAQ figures) Top speed limited to 110mph.
25.500€ for the sonomotor Sion. With full vehicle to grid and vehicle to vehicle charging plus 2 sockets 230v Schuko on board. Fast charge and includes a Trailer hitch. I definitely take the Sion. Charge sharing, car sharing and ride sharing on board right out of the box. Big plus it's a german car. 7,5 square meters of solar right in the body.
The main difference is that Sono Sion is a proper multi function car whit a back seat and a tow bar. It works as a small family car or a utility vehicle. Aptera is very purposefully design for one thing. Maximum aerodynamic efficiency and does that great but it also limits it to transport two people and some cargo. Sion is also designed to be easy to repair and for car-sharing.
And there is also another Solar car. Lightyear One. It uses the same technology as Aptera with hub motors and aerodynamic design but it’s a large hatchback that’s seats five people.
Sion can charge other Sions and comes with a household outlet (Schuko) as well. Its pronounced 'Seeon' in German (like Diesel is 'Deesel').
@@moestrei I got the chance to drive the prototype and I know it far from what the final car will be but I really liked it and what they are trying to achieve.
@@DuesenbergJ I believe the prototype was a modified BMW i3. Many people liked the idea and the owner-friendly concept (flexibility, repair-ability, bi-directional DC port) but they have such a hard time to get production going that many got disheartened and cancelled the reservation. The price 'adjustment' for the battery did not help either. I still wish them all the best but I am more interested in the Aptera now days.
Rheingold it was more or less a i3 in a new body. Really hope they make it. If nothing else to see cars from Trollhättan again. But they face “production hell ” and competition from many different electric cars that have come on to the market since Sono started. So it will be though.
only its near four times as expensive. Most cars generally only have a driver and a passenger, therefore the Sion would be more suited for a family, as a single I go for the Aptera.
They are both great vehicles and I would be happy with either one.
Couple things about Japan. The American dollar can not let Japan fail because of it’s stratigic location from the Chinese main land. Japanese compines will get substities and everything they need to stay on the US Dallar. If your a Patriot supporting either company is in Americas interest. For me and mine, We will be Aptera!
(P.S. Toyotas are Hard to kill and I won’t say anythig bad about them. Much Respect.)
The first Aptera model to be made has an EPA range of 400 miles not 250 miles. A model with 250 miles will be made eventually but models with 600 miles and 1000 miles of EPA range will be made first. Note the Sion's 158 miles of range is under the WLTP test cycle, not EPA.
It looks like the power requirement at 65 mph is around 148 watt hours per mile.
Resale and upgrade values will be best with a do it yourself battery swap.
SEVs will be the first vehicles which pay for themselves over time. This has never happened before with a mass market vehicles.
@@apterareboot1555 ok not one person may live long anoff for vehicles brand new be made cheaper than buying a battery, so people are willing to change a battery because not every one has 20 grand and not everyone has credit or a co signer.
SI- units instead of middle ages units would be great
I would love to ride the Paradigm with my two best friends... wait it only has 2 sits 😢
The bigger point is the starting price for people just starting out. Besides your girl why would you want any freeloading to take place?
The Sion can tow a trailer with a total weight of 750 Kg
I reserved Sion 4,234. Do you think it will ever come to the USA?
I also reserved the Aptera Dec 9. I think that is more the "motorcycle" for me. Drive for a few hundred miles then camp for a few days while recharging.
Have some portable solar panels stored in the back that you can unpack while camping and you could double the charging speed.
I guess this makes more sense that comparing an Aptera to a Tesla but the Aptera has such a limited use compared to either one of these four passenger vehicles I just don't get it
Comparing other two passenger sports / commuter vehicles would be a much better waste of time.
A comparison between a minivan and a sports car....
Sounds very biased. Thumbs down 👎
First, this didn't strike me as biased at all - the video clearly acknowledges that these are very different vehicles, and which would be "better" depends a great deal on your use case.
Second, I'd disagree with how you've categorized each vehicle. The Aptera isn't a sports car, but a hyper-efficient transporter; the "swoopy" looks and two-seat configuration are about efficiency, not styling or maximal driving fun. VW's XL1 was similar in its motivation, and produced a similarly futuristic butterfly-doored two-seater, albeit in dramatically different form (and a much higher price point, but hey, it was 2013), but despite all that was also decidedly not a "sports" car. For its part, the Sion is decidedly NOT a "minivan" - it's in that gray "hatchback/wagon" area inhabited by vehicles like the old Toyota Matrix, but nowhere near the size or versatility of a minivan. Given that, the two vehicles are a lot more similar than, e.g., a Honda Odyssey and a Miata would be.
Third, I think a head-to-head comparo of these two vehicles is justified by a simple fact - they're both upcoming $~30k compact BEVs in a U.S. market set to be saturated with hulking $50k+ electric C/SUVs - there are few if any value-priced BEVs slated to launch nationwide in the U.S. this year (CARB-only states don't count). By contrast, these BEVs are both affordable for mainstream new-car buyers, practical (in different ways), and solar-power enhanced. As different as the vehicles are in form factor, they'll definitely be cross-shopped by BEV buyers. If Sono ships to the U.S., I know I'll be considering both when it's time to replace my current 2012 BEV.