I've got hundreds of hours on that game but the one thing they don't get right are the suspension components. You can jump a car from 50 ft and it will deform the entire frame, but your ball joints remain intact, your tie rod ends remain intact, the spring although compressed further doesn't break, essentially you can continue driving around. In reality a 50 foot jump or even a 10-foot jump would blow out ball joints and tie rod ends, among other suspension links leaving your tires hanging.
Lada would be good car for Pennsylvania roads. Running joke in PA is if you're weaving you're sober and if you drive straight you're drunk (because of all the potholes)
The good thing about steel wheels is that they are very easily repaired. An alloy that's been bent or cracked must be replaced. Yes, I'm aware that alloys can be "repaired" but not without special tools while also making them brittle and unsafe.
Around 2005 my neighbor had his ‘03 Tacoma towed into his driveway. I was a kid at the time and I remember looking at the wheel and his Toyota alloy had a massive hole brown through it. To this day I marveled at what set of circumstances could have caused this and now I think I know the answer all these years later, thanks G54
@@cigarsgunsandgasoline8032 depends on which state. I've been around a bit of the west coast and most of the east and i'd say the worst i've seen it is around new york (mostly near manhattan, upstate was rather nice) and north carolina. outside of those, it's mostly smooth driving with very few potholes unless you venture more than a few miles off the main interstate into a small town.
@@mishopetkov7633 back when 18" rims were big and 20"s were show off status I got a sedan in for tires that had about 3- 6 lumps on each wheel... All 4 alloys. I wondered how many tires that person had been through. The car was used and being refreshed for sale, so all the tires on it were mismatched in brand and wear (yet it was a 2 year old off lease car). We replaced the wheels obviously, it was crazy to see so much damage. The car was also pretty dented up. An obvious city car.
The speed isn't the only answer to the destruction. It's an equation of wheel size, speed, pot hole depth and pot hole lenght. But hey, now you know if you have 1 and an half long poth hole lada wheel driving around 35km/h, you wont like it.
I bought a brand new Lada in 1982 in Belgium for around $2700 USA. It was tax free and had to be exported. We travelled for 6 months around Europe. It was a great little car, even for sleeping in some of the time! Bought another new one here in New Zealand, but was not the same quality. NZ used to swap them for butter!
Here in South Africa, we struggle to find a road with no potholes! 😂 What we, or what I sometimes do if I can avoid the hole is to tap the brake just before I hit it, then floor it through the hole. In my brain, this causes the front to dip, then lift as it goes through, sort of jumping the hole if you can understand what I mean. Maybe you could try this and a few other things to try and save your tires. They also say the faster you go, the lest damage, but you need to go way faster than 30kph. Maybe 80 - 100 over that hole to make a difference.
Awesome! Very good to see what happens. Very educative and informative. In Brazil cars are used to that type of road. And also NEVER BRAKE on a speedbump also! Accelerate it!. If tou brake, it will brake the engine and suspension. But good luck braking after that and maintaining straight. Cheers
I still have yet to find any pot in these "pot holes" . . . Maybe one day I'll get lucky and find an ounce in one. Seems everyone gets there before me or something .
For those that don't know, the name "pothole" comes from the pre-industrial era. Potters (pottery makers) need good clay to make their pots and cart ruts often exposed this clay beneath the soil where they would dig "potholes". You're welcome 🤗
So if you see a pothole speed up. got it!👍 It would have been good if you put an old engine in the boot to see what the extra load would do to the back wheel.
Another awesome video, I'm using driving fast enough that potholes aren't much of a problem, but when someone unexpected comes along I usually just hit the clutch and after taking the hole let the clutch out and keep driving. I once went right over a median as it was brand new and hadn't been there before. I'd gotten over into the turning lane a little early like I always do, but being night blind and not having bright headlights, I didn't see the freshly installed curb thay put in what used to be a turning lane the entire time until it was much to late to stop. I was going about 80 kilometers per hour and I didn't see it till I was about 15 meters from it. I had a car next to me at the moment so I couldn't just jump back in the lane I'd came from so I simply hit the clutch and went right over it, then I proceeded to the light and did the necessary U-turn to reach the gas station that I was already going to. While there, I checked me car out (tires and wheels) and everything was fine. The driver can make all the difference regardless of the car. A bad driver can make even the best cars bad, but a good driver can make good of pretty much anything that runs.
Unsprung weight, the real deal ! Funny how every auto maker are selling new advanced comfy slushbox with anchor 20" alloy rim nowadays as an improvement ! The reason why lightweight shitboxes are so confortable offroad compared to heavy SUV & pickup trucks.
I hit a 4x10 or so piece of lumber in the road at about 50mph with a dodge promaster city van. It has regular steel wheels and tires like an old car. No damage. I was surprised
8:15 That's super interesting to know. 🤔 But when you properly think it through, that is correct. The rear axle with its suspension parts are much heavier than the individual suspension setup in the front and thus the weight for the wheel to push up is much higher, thus things don't happen enough fast and rim gets damaged. Super interesting. 🤔 This is the reason why I watch your channel. 😄
Great video! I drive high mileage in cars with sporting suspension and never damage or blow out tires, or damage wheels, and have only ever had two or three alignments (necessary after long-lived tie rod replacements) in over 900k+ miles, and my front end components also tend to last a lot longer vs other people around here and the only reason I could come up with is that I lift off the brake before impacting a pot hole whenever possible (even if that means heavier braking before hand), which I've done since shortly after I began driving. I started doing it because I had cheap cars in the days before ABS and doing this prevented lock up that increased braking distances as well as not feeling nearly as hard a hit at the wheels, which led me to think the impact forces at the pot hole trailing edge were being more concentrated to a single point as the wheel locked up when it became unloaded after passing the leading edge of the pothole as demonstrated here. I also run my tires on the higher side for pressures.
I think its just crazy to watch the front wheel suspension move as a mass counter clockwise after it hits the pothole. Its amazing how much give the suspension has
Dude, the content was really good and interesting and practical, and I exactly agree with your opinion on this matter, you are very creative and have interesting and good ideas, thank you
We once went with Ford transit on highway in the night. Empty road, we went like 120 or so, suddenly we dropped with bang. Road there was suppose to be repaired and they indeed scrape down top 8 cm of road, but either they didn't mark it or somebody stole the sings. In any case, here it was, almost ten centimeters drop down on the highway in the night. But it woke us up, not gonna lie.
Something I noticed.....look very closely at the front wheel at 35KMH (time 4:35 and 5:21). The camber and toe was affected. It was toed out a hair after the hit, and cambered out towards the bottom. Little story. My mom had a 1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee a while back. Solid front and rear axle. She hit a frost heave at 40mph and it bottomed out hard enough to dent the top of the axle tube in the front.
Reminds of when I bent my steel wheel like that and my friend brought out a sledge hammer and the soapy water and sealed it right up. And I thought I was gonna have to replace it. I’ll take it to the grave. Works good, especially in a pinch.
@@rian0xFFF yeah we can. It depends on how sever it is and whats the outcome. it's the same with having wrong variable message sign speed limits on highway with heavy rain or snow. if there is damage then there is failure to maintain the proper road conditions.
After this video, weld the shocks, struts, lower and upper arms, ect, to show a "before" and "after" of just how much of a difference these components makes in driving and handling. 👍
The rebound damping in the shock absorbers would change how far the tire drops into the hole. If the shocks are worn out then the wheel will drop faster. Be interesting to see the slow motion footage with new and worn shock absorbers.
I believe the front is moving fast enough that on the initial impact it doesn’t do enough damage because it’s moving fast enough, but on the second impact it slowed down enough just wrong also because it has a solid axle
Very informative experiment, thanks for sharing so I can confirm thet steelies are best for Indian city roads cause we've potholes and bumps built into new roads because of uneven manholes.
It also looks like the rear wheel is stopping because the traction is on the rear, and he still is on throttle so the other wheel is on the ground and probably stops this one because of the open diff
I recently hit a bit of the median strip that was sticking outward, head on in my WRX at 60kph. Massive damage done to so many components.Still waiting on some of the parts after 14 weeks.
Remember that this is Lada, regular modern car will be wrecked after 1st attempt.
Yep
true 😅you go over one pothole and you'll see 900 errors on the screen and half your electronics die
@@keatonwastakentrue😅😅😅😅😅😅
Yep, rubber band tires.
Tall sidewalls are even disappearing on trucks of all things.
Alloy rims go _Snap_
Man your guy's production value is great. Im glad you guys kept going.
They were going to stop?
and yet people steal their hard work
@@CrackedDylMilnot exactly to easy to monetize youtube in russia
dude plays beamng in real life
I've got hundreds of hours on that game but the one thing they don't get right are the suspension components. You can jump a car from 50 ft and it will deform the entire frame, but your ball joints remain intact, your tie rod ends remain intact, the spring although compressed further doesn't break, essentially you can continue driving around. In reality a 50 foot jump or even a 10-foot jump would blow out ball joints and tie rod ends, among other suspension links leaving your tires hanging.
@@sacr3 This game is still in early acess / beta. so It has a long way to go still. But its the worlds most realistic game we ever got. so it can pass
@@sacr3hundreds? I got over 2500.
@@sacr3keep in mind that beamng is literally just a bunch of nodes and beams, that being said you could try coding it In yourself..
I've never played it because it still looks too video gamey, but I hope development continues.
Lada would be good car for Pennsylvania roads. Running joke in PA is if you're weaving you're sober and if you drive straight you're drunk (because of all the potholes)
hey that's true for Malaysian roads too!
Im Romania is same , same roads , same joke .xD
@@riox3604 Also official state flower is the mountain laurel, but unofficial flower is the road cone
When Lada pass through potholes, the world spins. This is named day
Number 1 Automotive Science channel on RUclips!
I do this experiment every day going from home to work and back.
OH, why are you going to and from work multiple times at different speeds? 😂😂(bad joke)
This was ingrained in me the first time I drove offroad by my father, brake before you get to the hole then let off as you are about to hit it
Same with speed bumps
This is why a large profile tire is better than a rubber band tire
“Hopefully the suspension will hold up”
Sir, this isn’t car. This is Lada.
Lol Hopefully road holds up to Lada
Your experiments help us in real life... 1% of RUclips videoz are useful you are among this.
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The good thing about steel wheels is that they are very easily repaired.
An alloy that's been bent or cracked must be replaced.
Yes, I'm aware that alloys can be "repaired" but not without special tools while also making them brittle and unsafe.
in short : suspension struts are made for up- down motion not really for front -rear kicks , thats why
It's a double wishbone suspension, so it was not a strut that broke apart. But a control arm
Around 2005 my neighbor had his ‘03 Tacoma towed into his driveway. I was a kid at the time and I remember looking at the wheel and his Toyota alloy had a massive hole brown through it. To this day I marveled at what set of circumstances could have caused this and now I think I know the answer all these years later, thanks G54
Thank you for the upload Garage54, awesome content.
And thanks to BMI Russian for the translation and voice over.
LOVE it!
This is valuable information for the UK due to the shocking state of our roads.
Can't be much worse than America! Our roads are trash!
In the UK you drive on the left. In Finland we drive on what’s left honestly. Our roads nowadays are worse than those in Russia.
@@cigarsgunsandgasoline8032 y'all come to Romania, and u will pray for roads like in America
@@cigarsgunsandgasoline8032 depends on which state. I've been around a bit of the west coast and most of the east and i'd say the worst i've seen it is around new york (mostly near manhattan, upstate was rather nice) and north carolina. outside of those, it's mostly smooth driving with very few potholes unless you venture more than a few miles off the main interstate into a small town.
NZ govt has just allocated 4 billion dollars to fix potholes over the next few years!
Oi! That's a lot of Oi's in the video. Lols, great stuff as usual, fellas.
I wonder how a Citroen hydropneumatic suspension would hold up to that test
skim right over the pothole, this is lada suspension we're talking about
imagine this with 18's 19's 20's that today's cars run
As someone who works with that kind of rims i can tell you I've seen some rims almost squared from impact's like that
@@mishopetkov7633 back when 18" rims were big and 20"s were show off status I got a sedan in for tires that had about 3- 6 lumps on each wheel... All 4 alloys.
I wondered how many tires that person had been through.
The car was used and being refreshed for sale, so all the tires on it were mismatched in brand and wear (yet it was a 2 year old off lease car).
We replaced the wheels obviously, it was crazy to see so much damage. The car was also pretty dented up. An obvious city car.
Yep. I have 17s with 35 series on the rear and 40's on the front tires on my 2000 Camaro. I try to avoid potholes if possible.
rollin happy on my 16's
Depends my moms van on 17s could tank a pothole like that easily (at least 3 inches of sidewall)
My dad’s car on 17s would be f’ed
I've also seen broken/bent tie rods as well due to pot hole hits.
The speed isn't the only answer to the destruction. It's an equation of wheel size, speed, pot hole depth and pot hole lenght.
But hey, now you know if you have 1 and an half long poth hole lada wheel driving around 35km/h, you wont like it.
I bought a brand new Lada in 1982 in Belgium for around $2700 USA. It was tax free and had to be exported. We travelled for 6 months around Europe. It was a great little car, even for sleeping in some of the time! Bought another new one here in New Zealand, but was not the same quality.
NZ used to swap them for butter!
This was translated into English very well. Great job!
Thanx
Also you should always release the brake right before you go over a speed bump no matter how fast you're going.
Sweet new camera!
Here in South Africa, we struggle to find a road with no potholes! 😂
What we, or what I sometimes do if I can avoid the hole is to tap the brake just before I hit it, then floor it through the hole.
In my brain, this causes the front to dip, then lift as it goes through, sort of jumping the hole if you can understand what I mean.
Maybe you could try this and a few other things to try and save your tires.
They also say the faster you go, the lest damage, but you need to go way faster than 30kph. Maybe 80 - 100 over that hole to make a difference.
You are right. This is how I also doing in CHICAGO USA...
Awesome! Very good to see what happens. Very educative and informative. In Brazil cars are used to that type of road. And also NEVER BRAKE on a speedbump also! Accelerate it!. If tou brake, it will brake the engine and suspension. But good luck braking after that and maintaining straight. Cheers
You can brake before then release to extend the suspension. A timing thing
@@Blanchy10 exactly! Brake before, and then accelerate slightly to raise the front even more.
I still have yet to find any pot in these "pot holes" . . . Maybe one day I'll get lucky and find an ounce in one. Seems everyone gets there before me or something .
You snooze, you lose. Have to be up early to get the pot. The mailman probably takes it, he's driving around in the early morning hours.
Oh, that kind of pot. I thought it was a cooking utensil !
Lmao my guy
For those that don't know, the name "pothole" comes from the pre-industrial era.
Potters (pottery makers) need good clay to make their pots and cart ruts often exposed this clay beneath the soil where they would dig "potholes".
You're welcome 🤗
I know what you all are thinking "early bird gets the worm" lest ye forget "it's the second mouse that gets the cheez" 🧀
Why?.....Chicken thigh...! That was funny!
4:21 "that was very unpleasant"
Somehow I don't think that was his exact words 🤣
"Unsprung weight" -- great insight!
Best video in a while! Great detail!
I think that's one of the nicest Ladas you guys have had. That thing is NICE!
The rear axle drops down at an angle because of the solid axle and more of the weight shifts to that corner.
This is one of the best car channels on all of RUclips, no matter the language.
"Wheel take it easy" 💀
1:26 the car quietly going away
Top notch science experiment right there, answers the questions everyone had.
So if you see a pothole speed up. got it!👍 It would have been good if you put an old engine in the boot to see what the extra load would do to the back wheel.
Great channel, this. Learned a lot from this channel !
Don't ever quit you guys are awesome
Another awesome video, I'm using driving fast enough that potholes aren't much of a problem, but when someone unexpected comes along I usually just hit the clutch and after taking the hole let the clutch out and keep driving. I once went right over a median as it was brand new and hadn't been there before. I'd gotten over into the turning lane a little early like I always do, but being night blind and not having bright headlights, I didn't see the freshly installed curb thay put in what used to be a turning lane the entire time until it was much to late to stop. I was going about 80 kilometers per hour and I didn't see it till I was about 15 meters from it. I had a car next to me at the moment so I couldn't just jump back in the lane I'd came from so I simply hit the clutch and went right over it, then I proceeded to the light and did the necessary U-turn to reach the gas station that I was already going to. While there, I checked me car out (tires and wheels) and everything was fine. The driver can make all the difference regardless of the car. A bad driver can make even the best cars bad, but a good driver can make good of pretty much anything that runs.
Hole-y cow! That's a Lada damage. Wheel need to remember not to hold the brakes down over a pothole.
Another great experiment!
Keep up the awesome videos. You always have such quality stuff.
Great advice, thank you, sacrificial Lada.
Unsprung weight, the real deal ! Funny how every auto maker are selling new advanced comfy slushbox with anchor 20" alloy rim nowadays as an improvement ! The reason why lightweight shitboxes are so confortable offroad compared to heavy SUV & pickup trucks.
I hit a 4x10 or so piece of lumber in the road at about 50mph with a dodge promaster city van. It has regular steel wheels and tires like an old car. No damage. I was surprised
Alloy rims would shatter under most of these scenarios!
Now I know not to brake when going through a pot hole! Thanks!
Thank you Guys ~ that was interesting. Love from the UK
Brakes? No.. I just steer around obstacles.
it depends on the speed! you might lose control when you're so close to the obstacle.
8:15 That's super interesting to know. 🤔 But when you properly think it through, that is correct. The rear axle with its suspension parts are much heavier than the individual suspension setup in the front and thus the weight for the wheel to push up is much higher, thus things don't happen enough fast and rim gets damaged. Super interesting. 🤔 This is the reason why I watch your channel. 😄
Great video! I drive high mileage in cars with sporting suspension and never damage or blow out tires, or damage wheels, and have only ever had two or three alignments (necessary after long-lived tie rod replacements) in over 900k+ miles, and my front end components also tend to last a lot longer vs other people around here and the only reason I could come up with is that I lift off the brake before impacting a pot hole whenever possible (even if that means heavier braking before hand), which I've done since shortly after I began driving. I started doing it because I had cheap cars in the days before ABS and doing this prevented lock up that increased braking distances as well as not feeling nearly as hard a hit at the wheels, which led me to think the impact forces at the pot hole trailing edge were being more concentrated to a single point as the wheel locked up when it became unloaded after passing the leading edge of the pothole as demonstrated here. I also run my tires on the higher side for pressures.
'We got a car?' - Nope you have a Lada - indestructible.
I think its just crazy to watch the front wheel suspension move as a mass counter clockwise after it hits the pothole. Its amazing how much give the suspension has
I love your guys channel you and your guys are genius.ive been binge-watching all your videos you're 6 cylinder engine was amazing
This I a great lesson thank you guys for this video
This is my favourite channel on youtube!
Dude, the content was really good and interesting and practical, and I exactly agree with your opinion on this matter, you are very creative and have interesting and good ideas, thank you
We don't have potholes in the UK, we have one big pothole with some tarmac every now and then.
We once went with Ford transit on highway in the night. Empty road, we went like 120 or so, suddenly we dropped with bang. Road there was suppose to be repaired and they indeed scrape down top 8 cm of road, but either they didn't mark it or somebody stole the sings. In any case, here it was, almost ten centimeters drop down on the highway in the night. But it woke us up, not gonna lie.
120 in a transit? God damn. The president really needed those secret documents.
I think a transit connect or even the rwd ones could do 120 but I'm surprised they aren't limited slower@@PlasticCogLiquid
@@PlasticCogLiquidkm/h
@@kiinanomistaja2402 Ahhh yes, that makes sense
@@PlasticCogLiquid Didn't realize you might not be from Europe :D Yeah, 120 km/h.
I was a fan of 70 to 90 km/h on logging roads portholes/washer board etc. Just float over it. Mostly s10 and bronco.
Very informative video,
Do it with low pro tires now
Next, we crash Lada into wall to see at what speed damage occurs.
Something I noticed.....look very closely at the front wheel at 35KMH (time 4:35 and 5:21). The camber and toe was affected. It was toed out a hair after the hit, and cambered out towards the bottom. Little story. My mom had a 1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee a while back. Solid front and rear axle. She hit a frost heave at 40mph and it bottomed out hard enough to dent the top of the axle tube in the front.
GARAGE 54 FANS RISE UP.
This is why i like my older cars. Taller tires and soft suspension. .. 1 they ride nice.. 2. Pot holes dont pose as high a threat.. . .
Super test! Watching from Chicago USA. Na zdrowie...
Reminds of when I bent my steel wheel like that and my friend brought out a sledge hammer and the soapy water and sealed it right up. And I thought I was gonna have to replace it. I’ll take it to the grave. Works good, especially in a pinch.
Can i sue Government for Pothole damage to my car ?😂
some countries you can, but knows who will judge it?
A lot of municipalities have a claims form to get reimbursed for pot hole damage, yes.
Yes go sue Putin 😂
@@ivanjovanovic362😂😂😂
@@rian0xFFF yeah we can. It depends on how sever it is and whats the outcome. it's the same with having wrong variable message sign speed limits on highway with heavy rain or snow. if there is damage then there is failure to maintain the proper road conditions.
Next you should grossly overfill the tires and see what happens
They already did that a few weeks ago and also Concrete, Expanding foam and Solid Rubber Suspension.
Wow, good video. Good use of slo-mo.
That a bomb crater!
Well I had a feeling the suspension was gonna go!👋🤣👍
Lada #437 Pothole Test :) These guys have an endless supply of Ladas ahahahah I love it🎉🎉🎉
Incredible how the tires didn’t break untill the brake test.
20:10 😂😂😂 Yeah, that's definitely a wheel alignment issue!! I hate pot wholes.
After this video, weld the shocks, struts, lower and upper arms, ect, to show a "before" and "after" of just how much of a difference these components makes in driving and handling. 👍
it would be cool if this respawned the lada and they became available in the USA
La verdad que eres el único que hace lo que todos emos pensado alguna vez,bravo por ti👌🏻👏
The rebound damping in the shock absorbers would change how far the tire drops into the hole. If the shocks are worn out then the wheel will drop faster. Be interesting to see the slow motion footage with new and worn shock absorbers.
I love how the car is just rolling away on neutral
It did better at 20 rather than 10 and I believe it's due to the tire having a chance to rebound with that particular size pothole. . Nice experiment
Steel rims can be fixed. MAgs cannot. Don't see many in Cameroon. Rather replace a cheap rim than suspension and other parts...
Rear live axle gives it more unsprung weight so the wheel is slammed into the edge harder.
I believe the front is moving fast enough that on the initial impact it doesn’t do enough damage because it’s moving fast enough, but on the second impact it slowed down enough just wrong also because it has a solid axle
I can’t be the only one who avoids potholes by going over or around it.
No Vlad, my first reaction to seeing a pothole is to go around the pothole instead of hitting it no matter how much air I have in my tires 🤣
Very informative experiment, thanks for sharing so I can confirm thet steelies are best for Indian city roads cause we've potholes and bumps built into new roads because of uneven manholes.
Lada don't care. It just takes the potholes and keeps on going. Very reliable car.
that alloy wheel was tough
It also looks like the rear wheel is stopping because the traction is on the rear, and he still is on throttle so the other wheel is on the ground and probably stops this one because of the open diff
I recently hit a bit of the median strip that was sticking outward, head on in my WRX at 60kph.
Massive damage done to so many components.Still waiting on some of the parts after 14 weeks.
And always make sure that you don't slow down for potholes
With bad shocks, you can attempt to bunny hop over the potholes by braking, and then releasing brake just before.
The UK should use this as a PSA.
Great content, love this channel.
Bro is doing beamng experiences irl now😂😂
This is a serious issue - great test
Try this with a low profile tire and wheel combo...lol