Timestamps: 00:00 Introductions 05:45 Why This Is Important To Us 12:27 The Pressures of Representing Our Magical Communities 25:45 Imposter Syndrome 44:04 Comment Culture 01:19:26 Intermission 01:19:55 Sponsorships/Brand Deals/Publishers 01:36:55 Creativity Blocks 01:48:24 Over-sharing vs. Under-sharing & Authenticity 01:58:36 What Changes We Wish To See In The Community 02:07:42 Running Into People In The Real World 02:19:09 How This Has Impacted Our Daily Life 02:25:44 Algorithm Drama 02:35:08 Dealing With Religious People 02:38:38 Monetization & Our Income 02:43:54 Outro
Thank you for the time stamps! Four of my top 10 favorite creators in one spot is SO beyond cool!!! While I've missed Nike's regular presence on RUclips, I'm glad they stepped away when life got lifey. I'm looking forward to more discussions. However, don't burn or wear yourself out ❤ Please and thank you!
Thanks so much for this, Ivy. Well done. It is so interesting, it seems that much of the population is under the delusion that they own everyone except themselves, when the opposite is true.
Wonderlust was the first witch I followed on YT and she led me to the rest of you, which I’m so grateful for. As a witch who has returned to their craft after years of abandonment, Olivia made me feel at home in my practice again. You all have fantastic content and I love that you’re individuals! None of you cycle redundant info or gatekeep the craft, and you have your own style that I really appreciate. Most people suck, but I love you guys 🥰
Four of my favorite content creators in one place, answering questions and being the lovely and amazing people that they are? I couldn't watch this fast enough. Thank you to all of you for doing this, and for all that you do all the time. So much love and respect for everyone here. ❤
For future content I’d like to suggest making two edits: the normal cut and then “The Ivy cut” sort of like the Snyder Cut where it’s like 5 times longer 😂 This is amazing of all of you guys coming together for this discussion!
Whee! Commenting as I watch 💖 - I totally get Marshall's comment about adding disclaimers to everything. It's honestly really frustrating that we as creators feel the need to add disclaimers to our content. In my experience, the only reason we add these disclaimers in is to either help mitigate hate/troll comments and "one true way-isms", or for the people that will take everything we say literally and think our way is the only way, and that they have to follow everything we do down to the letter. Adding in these disclaimers is simple, but it gets to be a lot when we have to do it with every single piece of content we make. And I don't even have a large following! 😂 - One thing that I've always struggled with re: imposter syndrome is that I don't *like* making really produced videos. Like yeah, they're pretty and visually pleasing but 1) they're a whole hell of a lot of work and 2) it really doesn't feel authentic for me. And I know the point of making videos is to share information and also be pleasing to watch, so it does make me feel kind of imposter-ish when I put a lot of work into a video that's authentic for me and then it flops or doesn't do well, or even ends up criticized for one reason or another. I never want to feel like I'm being performative, and that's part of why I don't do a lot of spells on my channel. - Yes to Marshall's comment about wasting stuff! I really don't like wasting my ingredients, so I don't like to do demonstrations of things I'm not going to actually use. - Nike, you're not alone -- I totally relate to the commentary and how it's affected me over my entire life. If I'm not careful, that spiral of my thoughts can get really down really fast. Those thoughts of "Why am I even doing this?" definitely come into play. - Omg Olivia, I've gotten comments about how I look, too. One of the first videos I did where I didn't where a bunch of make-up had someone in my comments telling me I look sick, tired, and my energy was off and they weren't coming back to my channel anymore 😅 it's ridiculous! - I really, really hate the algorithm and the way it works! Haul videos aren't my thing, spell videos aren't my thing. It's really an inspiration drain and affects my creativity when I talk about something I'm passionate about and it's like talking to dead air. And even on Instagram - I have over 1k followers but my reach is never more than 20% of that, if at all. It's just like...why? And getting views on RUclips is so weird, too, because I have over 7k subs but my videos hardly ever break over 200 views. I don't know, it's just... blegh 😂 And I really hate short-form content. Reels and TikTok aren't inspiring. I just can't do it. - Ivy, thank you so much for putting this conversation together! It was really refreshing to see everyone talk so candidly, and also very heartwarming and affirming to know I'm not alone in the way some of this stuff makes me feel, even as a smaller creator. 💖💖💖💖💖💖
I saw who you all had on the video and was excited, then I saw the video length and thought, "Hmm, maybe I'll watch it in small chunks between getting stuff done?" Now, three hours later my house is still a mess but I am so glad I watched it straight through! Love all of these creators!
Thank you so much for not cutting this beautiful get-together short! Such insightful information, I'm really really grateful you shared this. One thing I wanted to add is about the religious people. Even when I just had 500 subs I got religious hate-letters telling me I needed Jesus. Very surreal how much time these people have.
So when I was in college, I took graphic design. We were taught to give constructive criticism. It's part of our industry too. You always start with what you like, then talk about where they can improve.
I agree so much with thewitchofwanderlust's point at 2:05:00. I think a lot of newer practitioners worry so much about if they are doing something right, or if something will truly work, that they forget they can just find out by doing. I know it comes from a deep fascination and wanting to know absolutely everything, but the only way to find out what works and what doesn't, is to "fuck around and find out" (in a good way haha). Why ask other people when you can just ask your universe, ya know? I've learned so much from the unexpected results that come from pure experimentation, that I'm not really sure how one would build a practice without doing that.
Cleanse, protect THEN f**k around and find out is my motto 😄 it prevents accidental demon summoning (I learned this by not following my own advice the first angelic summoning ritual I did, a demon showed up and clawed my leg and burned my neck it was super sketch so I agree mostly with your comment but also, a simple cleanse/protection ward spell prior or just saying a prayer to your angels and ancestors/deities asking them to protect you through your Magick practice is insanely helpful in staying safe while you do your magickal experiments! ✨💯🌟
I love Olivia so much. I wasn't familiar with the other 2 creators and I'm SO glad you had them on because they are awesome. Still watching but I'm loving this panel! Edited to add that you're one of my favorite content creators, Ivy ❤
Hello, Ivy. Thank you for presenting this. I love Olivia's vibe. It is because she is so calm in her videos that I watch her. Watched her videos because I feeling I am having a conversation vs being lectured or sold information.
I thought I’d just be an observer for this one, but I love how calm, cool, and collected Olivia is in her videos. I tend to feel really grounded when I receive her energy through her videos. ❤ Also, you all are absolutely amazing. Keep on being exactly who you are. No apologies! Love you all!
This video was amazing. I would have listened for another two hours and not even noticed. I love all of you and thank you for all the time and love you put into the things you share with us. Personally I don’t even watch “how to do a spell videos” I love the videos talking about ideas or passions, I hope the viewers in our community start trending more towards seeking the knowledge behind the spells so that they can create their own workings.
This was an amazing panel!!! Great topics!!!! Thanks to all whom were on it and thank you Ivy for getting everyone together for it! Amazing!!! Many Blessings 🕯️🌻🌼
Olivia's comment about the coffee reminded me, ever since I started watching spiritual/witchy content I've gotten anti coffee ads (ads that bash coffee and claim you should drink tea/mushrooms instead). 🤣 I'm a witch who enjoys coffee. It's such a weird thing to be hateful over, but I've seen it often enough and I was wondering if it was just me seeing that. Also I related to what Nike mentioned about heathenry even though I don't make witchy vids on RUclips, I've had some experiences like that in person. I'm FtM trans, I've had a Celtic pagan friend try to give me flack about my interest in heathenry due to it's negative connotations. What Nike mentions about getting attacked by all sides always put me off to making witchy vids.
Thank you all for continuing to create content! I know I get so much out of watching your videos. I’m happy that the haters don’t deter you guys from creating content ❤
I don’t watch the news or follow politics. I watch you guys, to keep me positive. Always excited when I get a notification you guys posted a new video.
@Carolyn Mathieu many students chuckle, some think I'm arrogant for even suggesting that they'd want to be my friend, but it has really created a great boundary for all of us to enjoy the classroom experience without thinking it's anything more than learning!
warning, wall of text ahead, two+ hours of comments: -#1-thank you to everybody for such an amazing and candid discussion. ivy, this is the conversation i wish everyone could hear, i mean on every channel on youtube!. this discussion reminds me of the difficulties of being a Freelance Graphic Artist in the 1980s. having to appeal to everyone, having to cave into everyone's needs and wants, wondering if you were good enough, having some people say you are crap while having others tell you it's amazing. the political people and niche cliques of society having their own opinions. it was a mental mess sometimes. but you folks have this ten thousand times crazier, and broadcast world-wide. i cannot even imagine the level of stress you sometimes feel. -#2 I think these group creator meetings are awesome and super important for both you and the viewers. i've got an inside perspective from doing it, but most people have no idea how much work, how many hundreds of hours a month can go into filming, editing, and other preparation. it can be a freakin' nightmare if you are on a real deadline. and then when you get feedback from idiots, it can be devastating after all those hours of planning, research, and effort. this is like the best group therapy, encouraging each other, while educating the masses. -#3-My entire background is in advertising/marketing, so i totally understand all of that sponsorship stuff. For all the work you do, if you cannot get enough from viewers you have every right to reach out to other supporters, like advertisers and other sponsors. I'm considering forming my own organization to fund Occult Channels, no ad, just a blurb or title in the credits. -#4-yes, i do try to search channels, but the channel search is really bad. i often do better searching google to find the relevant video! -#5-Imposter Syndrom - this means that you are Sane, and may not know all of the answers. My own dumbass thought i had imposter syndrome until i realized that i really was the best at my job in my office. i actually got a raise, and was assigned to train all the people in my department. So hey, give yourselves some credit for all you research & practice, you could very well be one of the few people talking about your topic. if you truly dig deep down the rabbit hole, you may actually *become* one of the experts, especially for rare occult & obscure topics. -#6-Warrior Witch Nike, i had no idea of the political bs you have to deal with. I am a USA person trying to Support Ukraine against Russia, and even I am getting FlashBack (including nationalist racist) for defending them. One would think a cause such as that is so clearly defined, but even that often causes arguments/fights. I totally appreciate you sharing such personal practice, and teaching us what you know. i seriously cannot believe, (but i know you are not lying!) that people actually btch about your name, OMG! -what fkd up trolls, seriously! -also, yes, i need to slow down, so much. i sometimes type half my comment before a vid is done. also, i've so much yet to learn, and really need to chill and study/practice more. -#7-I agree with Southern Witch, but i think he is Confusing the terms "Privacy" and "Gatekeeping" , i.e.: both involve Boundaries, but they have different connotations. Warrior Nike also raised these concerns. I believe, as you all do, it is possible to teach without giving away your own practice - another challenge to be sure, but doable and probably safer as well. So although the terminology may be not perfect, it is a great, and very important point. One could say that there are the "rules of the practice" and "the rules of MY practice" -and that can be muddy ground at times... -#8-Witch of Wonderlust, you were one of my first 'witchy subscriptions' years ago, and i'll admit, one of the reasons was bk your Cinematography is so freakin awesome, as i came from a photography background. but i have to admit, once you did your basic spell videos, i was off and running, creating my own spells. while i sometimes wondered what your 'advanced' stuff may be, i only imagined you saying to me, 'figure it out,' , and i did. -no seriously, i imagined you standing there like, 'what the fck, c'mon, get it together!' -and it really helped! -#9-Southern Witch made a great comment (hinting) about creating a Coalition, as Esoterica did, or sort of has, and i've recently noticed, a bunch of Archaeology sites, Dinosaur sites, Music Channels; -(just as examples). they cross-link all sorts of topics and videos and people to get a massive group formed. i hope that happens with this, and with future projects. . -all of you deserve success!!! -#10-thank you for addressing my question & all the others. i hope that people understand that you are all human beings and not bots online; you all have lives; daily drama, as well as all this online stuff. -#11-Warrior Witch Nike, take portrait photos of various Heathans & Pagans and interview them while showing photo and video portraits onscreen. check out @SoftWhiteUnderbelly, may be a fkd up example, but gets the idea across of portratiure & interviews with unique (and even racist) individuals. -#13-All of you deserve so much success, best of fortune against the battle with math (the 'algorithm'), it drives me crazy too as a viewer, i don't always get updates, etc..., so it can be frustrating for all of us. i hope this is a summer of abundance, my altar is set for it**, and i'm 'praying' for all of us that this be a great year... **all-chaos-in: witchcraft magick, astral magick, angelic magick, southern magick, and throw a few more things on that altar and you've got a hurricane of energy i want for all of us to enjoy... ...bless you all, and thank all of you again for being here! 🪐
I really enjoyed reading all your thoughts on this. As always, I appreciate your thoughtful feedback! Especially coming from someone who has experience with this. Thank you! 🙏
Reading this feedback was so wonderful, but I want to address the Gatekeeping vs privacy conversation. You mention they have different connotations and that's actually why I brought it up. I want to remind people that that negative connotation is made up. It's a way to weaponize a word that by definition means "the activity of controlling, and usually limiting, general access to something." That's it. So when I am private about my practice, that is by definition gatekeeping. That term has been taken by our community and used as a tool to create a negative emotional response and is now even used almost like a slur. I'm here to speak against that misappropriation of a very benign word. Thank you again for the feedback and I hope I've explained myself in a positively communicative way 🙏
I love your "wall of text" warning. Made me giggle as I've seen your name in comments before, but I don't know that I've seen content of yours. So I'm curious, do you take notes during the videos and then comment after or edit your comments as you watch?
@@IvyTheOccultist i've kinda had a bi-polar manic attacks lately, so i'm staying off-line for awihile. i almost deleted the comment but wasn't sure, so i just left it be. you can delete it if you want. i'll be back in june. 🪐
YES! Just, yes to everything. ❤️ This is such a good discussion, not just for the witchy/spiritual side of things, but for creativity in the public eye in general. RUclipsrs, artists, musicians...hell, even Hollywood actors probably all relate to this on some level and puts a lot into perspective for viewers/consumers. We're all just people at the end of the day, trying to navigate our way through this stage of existence. So thank you. 🙏💖
around min 58 when you were talking about the random comments, that reminded immediately of the time i read under Olivia's Hecate vids and people were saying wild theories like she was sick from drinking too much blood during rituals and such. it was both hilarious and kinda uncomfy cause i can imagine there were even worse ones around. it's amazing how women and any feminine presenting person automatically gets comments about their appearance ALL the time. no matter the topic.
Also I just wanna say to all of you. You all were the ones who helped me find my own practice. Plus I've been reading books non stop. I love reading. Plus I love Tarot. And I love Arts and Crafts. But you guys all are so Appreciative 🙏. Thank you All for so much of your time( though I'm too poor to pay). You All have had a Huge impact on my life forever. And it's Just completely changed my outlook on my life now as a whole. Thank you all . From the bottom of my heart. Even for the "Not so pretty Truths ".
This collab blew me away! HEROIC & MONUMENTAL. What an honor and privilege to receive so much insight but also so much education on the intricacy of language and speaking from a place of love and respect basically. Which is what this world needs the most. Your honesty and transparency fed my soul deeply, and I couldn't not finish listening to this in its entirety today. I have such an incredible respect for all four of you. Ivy, love, my deepest appreciation for you and your beautiful mind and heart. You are truly an incredible source of inspiration for knowledge seekers. Thank you for bringing Witch of the Southern Light, Warrior Witch Nike and The Witch of Wanderlust together this is epic 🎉❤💫🥹🥰 I will be looking for your platforms to support ya'll 😁🥰 Blessed Be! 🌛🌕🌜
Thank you so much! As always, I appreciate how kind you are. I am so beyond grateful for you. Especially after having this conversation with fellow content creators... I am EXTRA grateful! 😂❤️🙏
all four of you are Warriors during these harsh and strange times within the Witchcraft community, and by being yourselves! Keep pushing to bring reality and variety one each of your platforms! Ivy: thank you for sharing these views, I didn't know it was this harsh on your path as content creators how some people in our "community" do not really bring constructive criticisms. Thank you again!
Ill admit, when this video popped up i got SO excited! Four of my most favorite content creators in one place! I had a fangirl moment! Lol Ivy, I am so glad you kept the length of the video! I am all for the longer videos!🙌 I absolutely love all your content. I find you all to be so informative and i appreciate how much effort you put into what you put out. Its obvious you all really care about your practices.💜 You have all inspired me to get back into my own personal practice and to get back into reading and learning after many years of feeling burnt out and stuck, which real life can do sometimes. I never knew the kind of BS creators put up with. Its wild to me that people feel like they can tell anyone what they should snd should not do. Like they say, "opinions are like assholes and everybody's got one", its just unfortunate that some people cant offer theirs in a more constructive manner and feel they need to tear someone else down for ridiculous reasons. Olivia, your "resting bitch face vibe" is awesome! Maybe its the Capricorn (fellow Cap here) but i get that from people too. I dont see you as seeming "tired or upset", to me you seem very sweet and genuine. I am new to Nike's content but i love it so far and Marshall is sooooo creative, i will be getting your book! Sorry to rant but i appreciate you all and creators like you. You inspire many of us to do what makes us happy and to crawl out of our own stuckness to expand our knowledge and really make our practice our own. I know you all have helped me immensely as a witch/folk practitioner! Keep doing what you do and thank you again, Ivy, for putting this panel together! 🥰 would love to see more in the future!
Thank you to each of you for being so real about all that is involved in being a content provider on these topics. Love and light to each of you! It touches my heart and brings a tear to my eye. You are all so beautiful and caring! Blessings to you❤
My heart goes out to all these four content creators and people they are representing... thank you for sharing your behind the scene feelings and experiences... Thank you so much for all you do, and I love how each of you shared different views and methods on confronting and processing those annoying comments... I am so inspired and also I really want to do something to give you guys some extra love and support. Bless you all my beautiful beautiful spiritual friends, what you endure is unfair and what you uphold while enduring those things are precious. love you all
I just want to say I feel so lucky that my journey was blessed with such amazing creators like you 4! I’m aware there are big creators out there that aren’t so great, I just haven’t stumbled upon them 🥴
Only about halfway through (I can unfortunately only watch in sections over several days), but this is so much food for thought. I've caught myself constantly thinking about the emotional labour, the prettying things up and the constant arguments: on the bus, while taking off my make-up, during my lunch break. Thank you all so much for being so vulnerable and "naked". I think a lot of us will be taking a lot from this whole discussion.
It's truly incredible to hear about all the challenges and concerns you've shared regarding your personalized content. As I listen, I can't help but empathize with you and agree that having a community of brave individuals who share their journey can be an invaluable source of support. It's inspiring to see how, despite certain circumstances, people like yourself are willing to reach out and connect with others. While there may be negativity that you've encountered, I want to express my gratitude to you for being open and honest, and for hitting that "block" button when needed. It seems like an excellent way to prioritize your well-being and focus on the positive aspects of your experience. Thank you for sharing,
Listening to you and just having my own feelings too, it's really hitting me that as a society we need to be more accepting of each other, not try to tell people what to do or how to live, learn from others rather than impose... and also create boundaries that help us to continue to grow more into ourselves despite opposition. Its ok to be me, I am wonderful, I will get even more like myself, people who say I need to be different than who I am are only suffering from this common sickness and I can heal myself and invite those who accept me into my circle and those who do not I allow the space to transform on thier own, in their own time, in their own space, away from me. Blessings. All of you rock, may your gods and allies increase your resilience, strength and power. 🌟
I lovveeddd this video it was so cool seeing 4 practitioners with such different styles come together and talk about the experiences you all have had online. Thanks so much for sharing!
You rock Ivy! I know a lot goes into making this type of content but I didn't know the extent of the 'bummers' you all deal with. Respect! Keep being true to yourself and I look forward to more of your awesome content. Go in peace!
Please don’t worry about people you do you you all are amazing. I first watched Olivia. God bless her heart. She comfort me in hospital and I enjoy listening and trying to learn as Olivia says do your homework. Please stay strong and just do what makes you happy. Thank you from your friend down under.
Great, great panel. I cant believe it hasn't reached more views and more people. Useful, direct, enthusiastic, realistic and absolutely inspiring, thank you, to all of you, please continue your work we (I, definitely) need you. 🥰🥰👏👏👏👏
Sending love your way. Thanks for sharing. I'm sorry you all have to go through the negative stuff, but am grateful you push through and share your talents and energy with us. I hope you all feel extra appreciated today.
Blessed Be gang!! Am watching a re-run of this video. I am a really ancient, old school wiccan & my heart goes out to your generation. Don't worry so much...just do what you are drawn to do & don't worry about what others think. Astrology teaches we are all unique so relish in it. Social media creates fear & anger where there is none. Don't read the comments!!! Thanks!❤❤❤❤
Great panel! Love it. I personally stopped making videos for two reasons, Instagram stopped allowing videos on there from being downloaded and secondly I wanted to focus more of my time to Magickal practice. There so many good points. I identified with the social awkwardness comment (forgot who mentioned it), but as someone whose austic I totally get that. I love the content of everyone here, you all do amazing work and I'm so thankful for the knowledge that you share, plus the time and energy you give to create it.
Thank you for sharing! As an elder (maybe just old) ArtWitch content creator with a teeny number of subs, I began my channel to share a few points of view. I agree with what you are all saying as young, white and bi-racial Witches, it must be difficult to hit this learning curve. I'm sure you have more people who love your work than dislike what you are saying and I hope you all keep going. I just want to say that the most salient point I heard was that it is just humanity. It doesn't matter what you say and who you are, though I would never erase the struggles of marginalized people, you will always have extreme watch and attack dogs on the right and left step in to say you are not enough. The reason to keep going is to know how important your messages are regardless of reactions or numbers. I stepped away for a couple of years to regroup and just returned. I am inspired to hear your opinions though I grew up in a world without social media. I hope in the future you and other RUclips Witches hold panels with a cross-section of open-minded Witches of all ages, cultures, gender expressions, abilities, and beliefs.❤
Wanderlust was the first witch i started watching and learning from years ago when i began on this journey. I still enjoy her videos and i have studied a lot and learned a lot and still learn things from her. I love her witchy vibes. Internet trolls are the worst!
Listening as I work, but wanted to jump in and say that your panel is fantastic. The conversation is so real and honest. I totally appreciate that. Side note: I absolutely adore Marshall and can listen to him speak all day!
@@TheWitchOfWonderlust yes! I binge the podcast, your channel and Ivys channel podcast style while I’m plugging away at work. All your voices are so soothing and your content is fascinating. This was my first introduction to Nike’s work, but I will definitely be checking that out as well. Thank you all for your dedication and passion!!
I'm currently watching this video and I am so glad y'all explained things from you're pov. I actually emailed you a couple of days ago hoping to be able to get some clarification on certain things you've done or said in other videos. In this video, y'all were talking about how you're bombarded with people contacting you for advice, let's be friends, here's my traumas, or even just to cuss you out for things they particularly didn't like. I didn't realize how much you have to deal with, that's not necessary, and I just rolled my eyes, felt awful, and was like, "that was me!" I didn't realize my email was exactly what y'all were talking about. So, thank you for helping me, and many others, understand things from y'alls pov!
I like to thank all of use are you are all amazing, talented smart and down to earth honest people You may not be proud, but I am and I like to. Thank you for keeping me insane, while my visits to the hospital I like to thank you for doing what you do. Please don’t listen to jealous people or most of us appreciate the work that you do. I enjoy listening, learning watching you all. I’m no longer able to get around due to having a double amputation. Thank you to you all. Keep strong and keep doing what you do best thank you.
Everyone that’s not a content creator should watch this VIDEO. This video shows a very practical and human side to creators. It actually made me feel guilty for comments I’ve written in the past. I’ve been a piece of poop 💩 too. I haven’t done nasty comments in a long time as I’ve watched videos like this one. Videos like this are the only thing that have made me evaluate my behavior when I’m in social media. Thank you all🌸 it’s always hard to do the right thing in my experience, but it always feels good afterwards ❤
1:49:08 What a wonderful word it is, "Enough ", used in beautiful context!!! It has been a longtime. I never understood the saying, "What other people think is none of my business."...I am finally getting it.
Phew! Thank you so much for this panel discussion! As a visual artist I had already calculated that you do a HUGE amount of work to create your content, but WOW, everything else that goes with it!!! All I can say is thank you for continuing to do it and for your willingness to teach and share through these platforms. Incredible.
I think that all of you are so brave to put your practice & teachings out there. It's so annoying & frustrating how comment culture flares over the silliest things. But despite that downside, y'all help so many people learn about Magick & explore this path for themselves. Not everyone has community where they live and it can really mean a lot to have teachers and online mentors. Sooo, that said, just want to say thank you for all your endlessly hard work & for sharing your energy in this way. I truly hope the culture evolves to be more respectful and less needy for negative interaction.
All I gotta say is thsnk you all for being so strong and voictrous and putting out all of this conetnt for all of us thank you for sticking it through. While theres people who are just out to get you theres also so many of us who wat h yalls vidoes because we genuinely love them and love your opinions and points of views on stuff. Thank you! this is so difficult. I could never do it, and it's because of all of these issues and some I know you don't even wanna discuss on camera. Thanks again for all of you being so damn awesome!🧡😊🔮🪄
I deleted instagram recently and I have been missing content from Nike, Marshall and Olivia. I’m really happy to hear from them on this video! I miss instagram for the witchy content but I just can’t with instagram right now 😂
Very smart keep your private stuff private. We are all unique individuals with thoughts of our own and the crazies that say your doing it wrong is their opinion. Thank them for their unique opinion and move on
You just keep doing you and ignore their OPINIONS because they believe what they are spewing and you will never change their minds so just keep believing in your way and thank them and say a prayer that they will just go away lol
I'm grateful because I've learned all this wonderful information on RUclips! Everything from spirituality, meditation, manifestation, witchcraft and more. I'd be a different person without creators like these 4. I am very grateful and I love supporting these creators as well. I'm grateful that I'm much more able to support them now buying whatever I can. Something I'll simply let the ads play so they can be paid more. I love to comment too and sad that comments can be soooo negative! I have a few creators I can't wait to join their paid groups.
This was so awesome!! I still have a half hour to go, but I had to comment and let all of you know how much I enjoyed this. I'm watching this in parts, it will take me 3 days, lol! 😂 Please know you are appreciated more than you know. Sending Love to all of you. ❤❤🪄🕯🃏🌛🌕🌜❤️❤️
You guys are all doing your very best. I’m grateful for all the knowledge, whether it has worked for me or not because I believe all this knowledge needs to reach the ears of all witches and practicioners. Don’t think about the nitpickers, because they have nothing better to do than pick other’s beliefs apart, it’s not worth anyone’s time to reply to that or let it into tour energy. Blessings of protections for you all against that garbage :)
Well I follow witch of wonderlust and now I found a bunch of other people to follow that's exciting. I loved listening to this while doing the laundry..great conversations.
Thank you! I thoroughly enjoyed this panel. I'm a novelist so I recognise much of what you say here, from a slightly different angle maybe but good things are good in both our places and bad things bad. Mostly what I want to say is that all four of you have beautiful spirits. Thank you.
I love this conversation and appreciate that creators such as yourselves continue to offer content in the face of so many challenges. You ARE making such an enormous and positive impact in the lives of so many. Thank you for all your research, for your creativity, and for putting faces on the occult, witchy, magical worlds. ❤
I finally just got to watch this and it was SO needed, in particular the part about DMs, e-mails, comments, etc. It can get incredibly out of control and seeing/hearing about the situations you each have dealt with and how you've navigated it is truly so helpful. Thank you all for sharing and discussing this, its really really important!
As a follower who has recently started on my spiritual journey I’ve actually got turned off by negative content. Thank you for pushing through the negative comments and sticking to spreading the light and teaching us. Omg lol im not a creator but I get the whole “being on” I work at Starbucks and I am pretty peopy but I definitely get exhausted some days. I work close to home so I see my customers outside of work while I’m shopping
Came here from Nikes community post! I LOVE videos like this, where witchy and/or pagan creators come together and discuss, there's just so much to learn and it's the primary way I learn about new creators (found Olivia first, then Nike, then Marshall through their communities interacting). I'm excited to check out your channel, and thank you for hosting this panel!
Love this colab! 🧡🧡🧡 Thank you Ivy! Incredible content and when I started following you earlier this year I never would have thought you only started making content a year ago. You are professional and share SO much knowledge! Love everyone 😘🤌
I am so grateful to all four of you for being honest and straightforward about what you go through. I particularly liked: - Marshall at 28:54 mentioning "putting rings on it" - it made me realize you, as content creators, are all 'bringing Cinderella to the ball.' - Nike mentioning at 35:05 how much is hidden on their channel because people are awful. - Olivia describing at 1:16:57 the difference between teachers and 'cheat sheets'; I know that's a problem everywhere. - Ivy mentioning the overlap between identities! That was so cool! Finally, a million snaps for Nike's owning of their name and practice!
You're right! It doesn't go away and it doesn't stop No matter how long you video on your channel in Paganism on whatever path because there will always be someone who disagrees or thinks they know more than you(about your own opinion or practice even) or can do something better likewise or that your path is infinitely wrong etc and it can initiate within you character traits you don't like about yourself where those didn't exist before. This all renders you into the state of RUclips burnout in the end if you let it, as I did in part to what made me lay it down for a rather long period of time...REGRETFULLY, I might add as I try now to get back to where I ended atleast, having lost a great deal of my subscribers in the time I was away, six years in fact. I dealt with all of this as a Witch/Wiccan RUclips creater and unfortunately most of the trolling comes from people that identify themselves as being on the same path or similar path as you. I agree with so much the four of you discussed in this video and I think you all have so many beautiful gifts within you and not just upon your own spiritual pathways but upon your life paths in general. Many Bright Blessings to you!
I think what it all boils down to with people that are entitled is instant gratification…. Expecting you to see their comment immediately, expecting you to answer them immediately, expecting you to be their personal bestie and not watching videos or looking back to see if the info is there before they ask ….. thank you for everything that y’all do!
Watching this while working (I work from home sometimes) made my day so much more enjoyable. Most days I’m dragging myself through the work day but watching this entire video while working was refreshing and made my day go by faster. THANK YOU for this video!!
I'm only a quarter of the way through the video but I just wanted to say that you are all awesome! I'm not a content creator but I am an artist and sell my creations at arts and crafts shows and online and I do get support but it's sometimes overwhelming how self critical I can be/semi alarming with how rude and completely narrow minded people can be. It takes a lot of balls (metaphorically!) to do the work, not only for yourself but then to put it out there for others and then get shat on.... And then keep going, even bigger balls. and I think a lot of people dont see or care about that and disregard all of your hard work and determination to do something you're passionate about and provide a service. I'm a big "let's see you do it then" person. Lol I'm not a big commenter on RUclips etc but I definitely will be even more mindful about commenting moving forward. Thanks so much for this content and my bruised little empathic heart goes out to each one of you and sends out throat punches to all the worms who are just trying to be dicks to y'all or anyone! Keep on trucking!
Absolutely loved this! I am not a witchy content creator but I do create more recipes and health stuff. I agree with so many things yall said! Like we only have 1500 subs but everyone is like a good friend, so now I am like oh 10k eeks.
Amazing that people get to the end? I love when there is a group chat like this. With all the negativity you guys experience on these social and video forums it really is fantastic to see people get together and "talk shop" or even just share experiences. I love this sort of thing!
This was such a great video-- not just about being a content creator, but being a magick/spiritual practitioner in this crazy dance called life. I appreciate your insights.
I think it's fantastic to see witchcraft evolving the way it is, I've been a witch for over 4 decades and a Reiki master and I love seeing different perspectives, and with such passion, this is how we heal the earth and ourselves.. You all are so brave, I have watched you all show your craft, I've really enjoyed it on different platforms..I know it's hard but do try to not take heed to negative energies as it gives them power, you know that it will manifest .. Anyway much aroha to you all, from New Zealand 🤲💫💞🖖
Timestamps:
00:00 Introductions
05:45 Why This Is Important To Us
12:27 The Pressures of Representing Our Magical Communities
25:45 Imposter Syndrome
44:04 Comment Culture
01:19:26 Intermission
01:19:55 Sponsorships/Brand Deals/Publishers
01:36:55 Creativity Blocks
01:48:24 Over-sharing vs. Under-sharing & Authenticity
01:58:36 What Changes We Wish To See In The Community
02:07:42 Running Into People In The Real World
02:19:09 How This Has Impacted Our Daily Life
02:25:44 Algorithm Drama
02:35:08 Dealing With Religious People
02:38:38 Monetization & Our Income
02:43:54 Outro
Thank you for the time stamps! Four of my top 10 favorite creators in one spot is SO beyond cool!!! While I've missed Nike's regular presence on RUclips, I'm glad they stepped away when life got lifey.
I'm looking forward to more discussions. However, don't burn or wear yourself out ❤ Please and thank you!
@@karmas8864thank you so much! This was really fun to do! 🖤🖤🖤
Thanks so much for this, Ivy. Well done. It is so interesting, it seems that much of the population is under the delusion that they own everyone except themselves, when the opposite is true.
@@c.brackens9918 well isn't that the truth 😂 thank you!
Thanks Ivy, loved and enjoyed the honesty from yourself and your guests.
Great conversation with like minded individuals
Wonderlust was the first witch I followed on YT and she led me to the rest of you, which I’m so grateful for. As a witch who has returned to their craft after years of abandonment, Olivia made me feel at home in my practice again. You all have fantastic content and I love that you’re individuals! None of you cycle redundant info or gatekeep the craft, and you have your own style that I really appreciate. Most people suck, but I love you guys 🥰
Four of my favorite content creators in one place, answering questions and being the lovely and amazing people that they are? I couldn't watch this fast enough. Thank you to all of you for doing this, and for all that you do all the time. So much love and respect for everyone here. ❤
Thank you so much! ❤️❤️❤️
Perfectly said!
For future content I’d like to suggest making two edits: the normal cut and then “The Ivy cut” sort of like the Snyder Cut where it’s like 5 times longer 😂
This is amazing of all of you guys coming together for this discussion!
Hahaha I actually did think about a short one and an extended edition 😂
Whee! Commenting as I watch 💖
- I totally get Marshall's comment about adding disclaimers to everything. It's honestly really frustrating that we as creators feel the need to add disclaimers to our content. In my experience, the only reason we add these disclaimers in is to either help mitigate hate/troll comments and "one true way-isms", or for the people that will take everything we say literally and think our way is the only way, and that they have to follow everything we do down to the letter. Adding in these disclaimers is simple, but it gets to be a lot when we have to do it with every single piece of content we make. And I don't even have a large following! 😂
- One thing that I've always struggled with re: imposter syndrome is that I don't *like* making really produced videos. Like yeah, they're pretty and visually pleasing but 1) they're a whole hell of a lot of work and 2) it really doesn't feel authentic for me. And I know the point of making videos is to share information and also be pleasing to watch, so it does make me feel kind of imposter-ish when I put a lot of work into a video that's authentic for me and then it flops or doesn't do well, or even ends up criticized for one reason or another. I never want to feel like I'm being performative, and that's part of why I don't do a lot of spells on my channel.
- Yes to Marshall's comment about wasting stuff! I really don't like wasting my ingredients, so I don't like to do demonstrations of things I'm not going to actually use.
- Nike, you're not alone -- I totally relate to the commentary and how it's affected me over my entire life. If I'm not careful, that spiral of my thoughts can get really down really fast. Those thoughts of "Why am I even doing this?" definitely come into play.
- Omg Olivia, I've gotten comments about how I look, too. One of the first videos I did where I didn't where a bunch of make-up had someone in my comments telling me I look sick, tired, and my energy was off and they weren't coming back to my channel anymore 😅 it's ridiculous!
- I really, really hate the algorithm and the way it works! Haul videos aren't my thing, spell videos aren't my thing. It's really an inspiration drain and affects my creativity when I talk about something I'm passionate about and it's like talking to dead air. And even on Instagram - I have over 1k followers but my reach is never more than 20% of that, if at all. It's just like...why? And getting views on RUclips is so weird, too, because I have over 7k subs but my videos hardly ever break over 200 views. I don't know, it's just... blegh 😂 And I really hate short-form content. Reels and TikTok aren't inspiring. I just can't do it.
- Ivy, thank you so much for putting this conversation together! It was really refreshing to see everyone talk so candidly, and also very heartwarming and affirming to know I'm not alone in the way some of this stuff makes me feel, even as a smaller creator. 💖💖💖💖💖💖
Yes to all of this!!! Thank you for sharing your thoughts, friend! ❤️
@@IvyTheOccultist thank YOU for putting it all together! ❤️❤️
I saw who you all had on the video and was excited, then I saw the video length and thought, "Hmm, maybe I'll watch it in small chunks between getting stuff done?" Now, three hours later my house is still a mess but I am so glad I watched it straight through! Love all of these creators!
Oh no hahahah well I am honored you watched the entire thing! 😆❤️
Thank you so much for not cutting this beautiful get-together short! Such insightful information, I'm really really grateful you shared this. One thing I wanted to add is about the religious people. Even when I just had 500 subs I got religious hate-letters telling me I needed Jesus. Very surreal how much time these people have.
This was such a great video. There were so many takeaways that I actually made notes of the time stamps. Thank you everyone!!
Thank you so much, lovely! Appreciate you! 🙏
Ivy I have 5 words to say "thank you... this was amazing"💕
So when I was in college, I took graphic design. We were taught to give constructive criticism. It's part of our industry too. You always start with what you like, then talk about where they can improve.
Yes, exactly!
I agree so much with thewitchofwanderlust's point at 2:05:00. I think a lot of newer practitioners worry so much about if they are doing something right, or if something will truly work, that they forget they can just find out by doing. I know it comes from a deep fascination and wanting to know absolutely everything, but the only way to find out what works and what doesn't, is to "fuck around and find out" (in a good way haha). Why ask other people when you can just ask your universe, ya know? I've learned so much from the unexpected results that come from pure experimentation, that I'm not really sure how one would build a practice without doing that.
Cleanse, protect THEN f**k around and find out is my motto 😄 it prevents accidental demon summoning (I learned this by not following my own advice the first angelic summoning ritual I did, a demon showed up and clawed my leg and burned my neck it was super sketch so I agree mostly with your comment but also, a simple cleanse/protection ward spell prior or just saying a prayer to your angels and ancestors/deities asking them to protect you through your Magick practice is insanely helpful in staying safe while you do your magickal experiments! ✨💯🌟
This vid is literally like, overall, an open forum to their respective subscribers and or followers... Really like that raw vibe
I love Olivia so much.
I wasn't familiar with the other 2 creators and I'm SO glad you had them on because they are awesome. Still watching but I'm loving this panel!
Edited to add that you're one of my favorite content creators, Ivy ❤
Haha thank you! So glad you're loving the discussion 😊
Yes! It's very insightful and I think there are so many important topics covered that people need to hear. 😊
Hello, Ivy. Thank you for presenting this. I love Olivia's vibe. It is because she is so calm in her videos that I watch her. Watched her videos because I feeling I am having a conversation vs being lectured or sold information.
That makes me so happy to hear!!
I thought I’d just be an observer for this one, but I love how calm, cool, and collected Olivia is in her videos. I tend to feel really grounded when I receive her energy through her videos. ❤ Also, you all are absolutely amazing. Keep on being exactly who you are. No apologies! Love you all!
I appreciate that!
This video was amazing. I would have listened for another two hours and not even noticed. I love all of you and thank you for all the time and love you put into the things you share with us. Personally I don’t even watch “how to do a spell videos” I love the videos talking about ideas or passions, I hope the viewers in our community start trending more towards seeking the knowledge behind the spells so that they can create their own workings.
This was an amazing panel!!! Great topics!!!!
Thanks to all whom were on it and thank you Ivy for getting everyone together for it!
Amazing!!! Many Blessings 🕯️🌻🌼
Olivia's comment about the coffee reminded me, ever since I started watching spiritual/witchy content I've gotten anti coffee ads (ads that bash coffee and claim you should drink tea/mushrooms instead). 🤣 I'm a witch who enjoys coffee. It's such a weird thing to be hateful over, but I've seen it often enough and I was wondering if it was just me seeing that.
Also I related to what Nike mentioned about heathenry even though I don't make witchy vids on RUclips, I've had some experiences like that in person. I'm FtM trans, I've had a Celtic pagan friend try to give me flack about my interest in heathenry due to it's negative connotations. What Nike mentions about getting attacked by all sides always put me off to making witchy vids.
Thank you all for continuing to create content! I know I get so much out of watching your videos. I’m happy that the haters don’t deter you guys from creating content ❤
I don’t watch the news or follow politics. I watch you guys, to keep me positive. Always excited when I get a notification you guys posted a new video.
I'm a professor and I start every quarter with the line "I'm not taking friendship applications," which seems relevant to this conversation ❤
Best disclaimer and reminder!
@Carolyn Mathieu many students chuckle, some think I'm arrogant for even suggesting that they'd want to be my friend, but it has really created a great boundary for all of us to enjoy the classroom experience without thinking it's anything more than learning!
warning, wall of text ahead, two+ hours of comments:
-#1-thank you to everybody for such an amazing and candid discussion. ivy, this is the conversation i wish everyone could hear, i mean on every channel on youtube!. this discussion reminds me of the difficulties of being a Freelance Graphic Artist in the 1980s. having to appeal to everyone, having to cave into everyone's needs and wants, wondering if you were good enough, having some people say you are crap while having others tell you it's amazing. the political people and niche cliques of society having their own opinions. it was a mental mess sometimes. but you folks have this ten thousand times crazier, and broadcast world-wide. i cannot even imagine the level of stress you sometimes feel.
-#2 I think these group creator meetings are awesome and super important for both you and the viewers. i've got an inside perspective from doing it, but most people have no idea how much work, how many hundreds of hours a month can go into filming, editing, and other preparation. it can be a freakin' nightmare if you are on a real deadline. and then when you get feedback from idiots, it can be devastating after all those hours of planning, research, and effort. this is like the best group therapy, encouraging each other, while educating the masses.
-#3-My entire background is in advertising/marketing, so i totally understand all of that sponsorship stuff. For all the work you do, if you cannot get enough from viewers you have every right to reach out to other supporters, like advertisers and other sponsors. I'm considering forming my own organization to fund Occult Channels, no ad, just a blurb or title in the credits.
-#4-yes, i do try to search channels, but the channel search is really bad. i often do better searching google to find the relevant video!
-#5-Imposter Syndrom - this means that you are Sane, and may not know all of the answers. My own dumbass thought i had imposter syndrome until i realized that i really was the best at my job in my office. i actually got a raise, and was assigned to train all the people in my department. So hey, give yourselves some credit for all you research & practice, you could very well be one of the few people talking about your topic. if you truly dig deep down the rabbit hole, you may actually *become* one of the experts, especially for rare occult & obscure topics.
-#6-Warrior Witch Nike, i had no idea of the political bs you have to deal with. I am a USA person trying to Support Ukraine against Russia, and even I am getting FlashBack (including nationalist racist) for defending them. One would think a cause such as that is so clearly defined, but even that often causes arguments/fights. I totally appreciate you sharing such personal practice, and teaching us what you know. i seriously cannot believe, (but i know you are not lying!) that people actually btch about your name, OMG! -what fkd up trolls, seriously!
-also, yes, i need to slow down, so much. i sometimes type half my comment before a vid is done. also, i've so much yet to learn, and really need to chill and study/practice more.
-#7-I agree with Southern Witch, but i think he is Confusing the terms "Privacy" and "Gatekeeping" , i.e.: both involve Boundaries, but they have different connotations. Warrior Nike also raised these concerns. I believe, as you all do, it is possible to teach without giving away your own practice - another challenge to be sure, but doable and probably safer as well. So although the terminology may be not perfect, it is a great, and very important point. One could say that there are the "rules of the practice" and "the rules of MY practice" -and that can be muddy ground at times...
-#8-Witch of Wonderlust, you were one of my first 'witchy subscriptions' years ago, and i'll admit, one of the reasons was bk your Cinematography is so freakin awesome, as i came from a photography background. but i have to admit, once you did your basic spell videos, i was off and running, creating my own spells. while i sometimes wondered what your 'advanced' stuff may be, i only imagined you saying to me, 'figure it out,' , and i did. -no seriously, i imagined you standing there like, 'what the fck, c'mon, get it together!' -and it really helped!
-#9-Southern Witch made a great comment (hinting) about creating a Coalition, as Esoterica did, or sort of has, and i've recently noticed, a bunch of Archaeology sites, Dinosaur sites, Music Channels; -(just as examples). they cross-link all sorts of topics and videos and people to get a massive group formed. i hope that happens with this, and with future projects. . -all of you deserve success!!!
-#10-thank you for addressing my question & all the others. i hope that people understand that you are all human beings and not bots online; you all have lives; daily drama, as well as all this online stuff.
-#11-Warrior Witch Nike, take portrait photos of various Heathans & Pagans and interview them while showing photo and video portraits onscreen. check out @SoftWhiteUnderbelly, may be a fkd up example, but gets the idea across of portratiure & interviews with unique (and even racist) individuals.
-#13-All of you deserve so much success, best of fortune against the battle with math (the 'algorithm'), it drives me crazy too as a viewer, i don't always get updates, etc..., so it can be frustrating for all of us. i hope this is a summer of abundance, my altar is set for it**, and i'm 'praying' for all of us that this be a great year... **all-chaos-in: witchcraft magick, astral magick, angelic magick, southern magick, and throw a few more things on that altar and you've got a hurricane of energy i want for all of us to enjoy... ...bless you all, and thank all of you again for being here!
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I really enjoyed reading all your thoughts on this. As always, I appreciate your thoughtful feedback! Especially coming from someone who has experience with this. Thank you! 🙏
Reading this feedback was so wonderful, but I want to address the Gatekeeping vs privacy conversation. You mention they have different connotations and that's actually why I brought it up. I want to remind people that that negative connotation is made up. It's a way to weaponize a word that by definition means "the activity of controlling, and usually limiting, general access to something." That's it. So when I am private about my practice, that is by definition gatekeeping. That term has been taken by our community and used as a tool to create a negative emotional response and is now even used almost like a slur. I'm here to speak against that misappropriation of a very benign word. Thank you again for the feedback and I hope I've explained myself in a positively communicative way 🙏
I love your "wall of text" warning. Made me giggle as I've seen your name in comments before, but I don't know that I've seen content of yours.
So I'm curious, do you take notes during the videos and then comment after or edit your comments as you watch?
I loved this insight. Thank you for writing it all
@@IvyTheOccultist i've kinda had a bi-polar manic attacks lately, so i'm staying off-line for awihile. i almost deleted the comment but wasn't sure, so i just left it be. you can delete it if you want. i'll be back in june. 🪐
YES! Just, yes to everything. ❤️
This is such a good discussion, not just for the witchy/spiritual side of things, but for creativity in the public eye in general. RUclipsrs, artists, musicians...hell, even Hollywood actors probably all relate to this on some level and puts a lot into perspective for viewers/consumers.
We're all just people at the end of the day, trying to navigate our way through this stage of existence. So thank you. 🙏💖
around min 58 when you were talking about the random comments, that reminded immediately of the time i read under Olivia's Hecate vids and people were saying wild theories like she was sick from drinking too much blood during rituals and such. it was both hilarious and kinda uncomfy cause i can imagine there were even worse ones around.
it's amazing how women and any feminine presenting person automatically gets comments about their appearance ALL the time. no matter the topic.
Also I just wanna say to all of you. You all were the ones who helped me find my own practice. Plus I've been reading books non stop. I love reading. Plus I love Tarot. And I love Arts and Crafts. But you guys all are so Appreciative 🙏. Thank you All for so much of your time( though I'm too poor to pay). You All have had a Huge impact on my life forever. And it's Just completely changed my outlook on my life now as a whole. Thank you all . From the bottom of my heart. Even for the "Not so pretty Truths ".
This collab blew me away! HEROIC & MONUMENTAL. What an honor and privilege to receive so much insight but also so much education on the intricacy of language and speaking from a place of love and respect basically. Which is what this world needs the most. Your honesty and transparency fed my soul deeply, and I couldn't not finish listening to this in its entirety today. I have such an incredible respect for all four of you. Ivy, love, my deepest appreciation for you and your beautiful mind and heart. You are truly an incredible source of inspiration for knowledge seekers. Thank you for bringing Witch of the Southern Light, Warrior Witch Nike and The Witch of Wanderlust together this is epic 🎉❤💫🥹🥰 I will be looking for your platforms to support ya'll 😁🥰 Blessed Be! 🌛🌕🌜
Thank you so much! As always, I appreciate how kind you are. I am so beyond grateful for you. Especially after having this conversation with fellow content creators... I am EXTRA grateful! 😂❤️🙏
HEROIC & MONUMENTAL?
Yep! That's what I said James Duke. HEROIC & MONUMENTAL.
all four of you are Warriors during these harsh and strange times within the Witchcraft community, and by being yourselves!
Keep pushing to bring reality and variety one each of your platforms!
Ivy: thank you for sharing these views, I didn't know it was this harsh on your path as content creators how some people in our "community" do not really bring constructive criticisms. Thank you again!
True Power and Creativity, Individuality frightens those who do not and will never have them. March on and do what you will.
Ill admit, when this video popped up i got SO excited! Four of my most favorite content creators in one place! I had a fangirl moment! Lol Ivy, I am so glad you kept the length of the video! I am all for the longer videos!🙌 I absolutely love all your content. I find you all to be so informative and i appreciate how much effort you put into what you put out. Its obvious you all really care about your practices.💜 You have all inspired me to get back into my own personal practice and to get back into reading and learning after many years of feeling burnt out and stuck, which real life can do sometimes. I never knew the kind of BS creators put up with. Its wild to me that people feel like they can tell anyone what they should snd should not do. Like they say, "opinions are like assholes and everybody's got one", its just unfortunate that some people cant offer theirs in a more constructive manner and feel they need to tear someone else down for ridiculous reasons. Olivia, your "resting bitch face vibe" is awesome! Maybe its the Capricorn (fellow Cap here) but i get that from people too. I dont see you as seeming "tired or upset", to me you seem very sweet and genuine. I am new to Nike's content but i love it so far and Marshall is sooooo creative, i will be getting your book!
Sorry to rant but i appreciate you all and creators like you. You inspire many of us to do what makes us happy and to crawl out of our own stuckness to expand our knowledge and really make our practice our own. I know you all have helped me immensely as a witch/folk practitioner! Keep doing what you do and thank you again, Ivy, for putting this panel together! 🥰 would love to see more in the future!
Us caps get each other ♑️
@@TheWitchOfWonderlust definitely! ♑️
Thank you to each of you for being so real about all that is involved in being a content provider on these topics. Love and light to each of you! It touches my heart and brings a tear to my eye. You are all so beautiful and caring! Blessings to you❤
My heart goes out to all these four content creators and people they are representing... thank you for sharing your behind the scene feelings and experiences... Thank you so much for all you do, and I love how each of you shared different views and methods on confronting and processing those annoying comments... I am so inspired and also I really want to do something to give you guys some extra love and support. Bless you all my beautiful beautiful spiritual friends, what you endure is unfair and what you uphold while enduring those things are precious. love you all
I just want to say I feel so lucky that my journey was blessed with such amazing creators like you 4! I’m aware there are big creators out there that aren’t so great, I just haven’t stumbled upon them 🥴
Only about halfway through (I can unfortunately only watch in sections over several days), but this is so much food for thought. I've caught myself constantly thinking about the emotional labour, the prettying things up and the constant arguments: on the bus, while taking off my make-up, during my lunch break.
Thank you all so much for being so vulnerable and "naked". I think a lot of us will be taking a lot from this whole discussion.
It's truly incredible to hear about all the challenges and concerns you've shared regarding your personalized content. As I listen, I can't help but empathize with you and agree that having a community of brave individuals who share their journey can be an invaluable source of support. It's inspiring to see how, despite certain circumstances, people like yourself are willing to reach out and connect with others. While there may be negativity that you've encountered, I want to express my gratitude to you for being open and honest, and for hitting that "block" button when needed. It seems like an excellent way to prioritize your well-being and focus on the positive aspects of your experience. Thank you for sharing,
Listening to you and just having my own feelings too, it's really hitting me that as a society we need to be more accepting of each other, not try to tell people what to do or how to live, learn from others rather than impose... and also create boundaries that help us to continue to grow more into ourselves despite opposition.
Its ok to be me, I am wonderful, I will get even more like myself, people who say I need to be different than who I am are only suffering from this common sickness and I can heal myself and invite those who accept me into my circle and those who do not I allow the space to transform on thier own, in their own time, in their own space, away from me.
Blessings.
All of you rock, may your gods and allies increase your resilience, strength and power. 🌟
Great panel! I don't make "witchy" content on my platforms but as an art 'content creator' I still relate so hard. I feel you guys. Sending love
Loved this, and i appreciate the honesty. It was a great watch 😊
I lovveeddd this video it was so cool seeing 4 practitioners with such different styles come together and talk about the experiences you all have had online. Thanks so much for sharing!
You rock Ivy! I know a lot goes into making this type of content but I didn't know the extent of the 'bummers' you all deal with. Respect! Keep being true to yourself and I look forward to more of your awesome content. Go in peace!
I have so much respect for all the creators in this discussion. 🖤
Please don’t worry about people you do you you all are amazing. I first watched Olivia. God bless her heart. She comfort me in hospital and I enjoy listening and trying to learn as Olivia says do your homework. Please stay strong and just do what makes you happy. Thank you from your friend down under.
Perfect timing! Will be listening to this at work. Thank you ❤
Same
Great, great panel. I cant believe it hasn't reached more views and more people. Useful, direct, enthusiastic, realistic and absolutely inspiring, thank you, to all of you, please continue your work we (I, definitely) need you. 🥰🥰👏👏👏👏
Sending love your way. Thanks for sharing. I'm sorry you all have to go through the negative stuff, but am grateful you push through and share your talents and energy with us. I hope you all feel extra appreciated today.
Thank you so much ❤️❤️
Blessed Be gang!! Am watching a re-run of this video. I am a really ancient, old school wiccan & my heart goes out to your generation. Don't worry so much...just do what you are drawn to do & don't worry about what others think. Astrology teaches we are all unique so relish in it. Social media creates fear & anger where there is none. Don't read the comments!!! Thanks!❤❤❤❤
Great panel! Love it. I personally stopped making videos for two reasons, Instagram stopped allowing videos on there from being downloaded and secondly I wanted to focus more of my time to Magickal practice. There so many good points. I identified with the social awkwardness comment (forgot who mentioned it), but as someone whose austic I totally get that. I love the content of everyone here, you all do amazing work and I'm so thankful for the knowledge that you share, plus the time and energy you give to create it.
Thank you for sharing! As an elder (maybe just old) ArtWitch content creator with a teeny number of subs, I began my channel to share a few points of view. I agree with what you are all saying as young, white and bi-racial Witches, it must be difficult to hit this learning curve. I'm sure you have more people who love your work than dislike what you are saying and I hope you all keep going. I just want to say that the most salient point I heard was that it is just humanity. It doesn't matter what you say and who you are, though I would never erase the struggles of marginalized people, you will always have extreme watch and attack dogs on the right and left step in to say you are not enough. The reason to keep going is to know how important your messages are regardless of reactions or numbers. I stepped away for a couple of years to regroup and just returned. I am inspired to hear your opinions though I grew up in a world without social media. I hope in the future you and other RUclips Witches hold panels with a cross-section of open-minded Witches of all ages, cultures, gender expressions, abilities, and beliefs.❤
This was a fabulous panel! This will definitely be reference for me. So grateful to everyone involved 🖤
Wanderlust was the first witch i started watching and learning from years ago when i began on this journey. I still enjoy her videos and i have studied a lot and learned a lot and still learn things from her. I love her witchy vibes. Internet trolls are the worst!
All of you are incredible content creator , and I have the up most respect for what the 4 of you are doing.
Listening as I work, but wanted to jump in and say that your panel is fantastic. The conversation is so real and honest. I totally appreciate that.
Side note: I absolutely adore Marshall and can listen to him speak all day!
Marshall is an absolute sweetheart!
He has a podcast so you can listen to him all day! It’s called Southern Bramble and I highly recommend!
@@TheWitchOfWonderlust yes! I binge the podcast, your channel and Ivys channel podcast style while I’m plugging away at work. All your voices are so soothing and your content is fascinating. This was my first introduction to Nike’s work, but I will definitely be checking that out as well.
Thank you all for your dedication and passion!!
I'm currently watching this video and I am so glad y'all explained things from you're pov. I actually emailed you a couple of days ago hoping to be able to get some clarification on certain things you've done or said in other videos. In this video, y'all were talking about how you're bombarded with people contacting you for advice, let's be friends, here's my traumas, or even just to cuss you out for things they particularly didn't like. I didn't realize how much you have to deal with, that's not necessary, and I just rolled my eyes, felt awful, and was like, "that was me!" I didn't realize my email was exactly what y'all were talking about. So, thank you for helping me, and many others, understand things from y'alls pov!
This video was a goldmine, thanks so much to all four of you for taking the time to make this ❤❤❤
Ivy ❤ Olivia ❤️ love seeing you two. Looking forward to getting to know the other two.
I like to thank all of use are you are all amazing, talented smart and down to earth honest people You may not be proud, but I am and I like to. Thank you for keeping me insane, while my visits to the hospital I like to thank you for doing what you do. Please don’t listen to jealous people or most of us appreciate the work that you do. I enjoy listening, learning watching you all. I’m no longer able to get around due to having a double amputation. Thank you to you all. Keep strong and keep doing what you do best thank you.
Thank you all so much for sharing and taking the time, wow
I am happy to see each of you. I have learned at least something from each of you. Please keep doing what you are doing. ❤
offering *mom hugs* to all of you! I'm so proud of you lovely souls and I'm so glad to see you all here! 🥰🥰🥰🥰💖
Ivy, appreciation for hosting this panel. Enjoyed the conversation. I learned a lot! Best to all of you.
Everyone that’s not a content creator should watch this VIDEO. This video shows a very practical and human side to creators. It actually made me feel guilty for comments I’ve written in the past. I’ve been a piece of poop 💩 too. I haven’t done nasty comments in a long time as I’ve watched videos like this one. Videos like this are the only thing that have made me evaluate my behavior when I’m in social media. Thank you all🌸 it’s always hard to do the right thing in my experience, but it always feels good afterwards ❤
1:49:08 What a wonderful word it is, "Enough ", used in beautiful context!!! It has been a longtime. I never understood the saying, "What other people think is none of my business."...I am finally getting it.
This is my second time watching this video. Loved it the first time, loved it even more the second time. Thank you so much for doing this. ❤
I agree with so many of the points made here❤.
The one I agree with most is that I would like to see more cooperation and less competing.
Phew! Thank you so much for this panel discussion! As a visual artist I had already calculated that you do a HUGE amount of work to create your content, but WOW, everything else that goes with it!!! All I can say is thank you for continuing to do it and for your willingness to teach and share through these platforms. Incredible.
youtube has changed since i made witchy videos, I am wanting to get back into it, this video has help a lot. thank you for being so honest.
I think that all of you are so brave to put your practice & teachings out there. It's so annoying & frustrating how comment culture flares over the silliest things. But despite that downside, y'all help so many people learn about Magick & explore this path for themselves. Not everyone has community where they live and it can really mean a lot to have teachers and online mentors. Sooo, that said, just want to say thank you for all your endlessly hard work & for sharing your energy in this way. I truly hope the culture evolves to be more respectful and less needy for negative interaction.
All I gotta say is thsnk you all for being so strong and voictrous and putting out all of this conetnt for all of us thank you for sticking it through. While theres people who are just out to get you theres also so many of us who wat h yalls vidoes because we genuinely love them and love your opinions and points of views on stuff. Thank you! this is so difficult. I could never do it, and it's because of all of these issues and some I know you don't even wanna discuss on camera. Thanks again for all of you being so damn awesome!🧡😊🔮🪄
I deleted instagram recently and I have been missing content from Nike, Marshall and Olivia. I’m really happy to hear from them on this video! I miss instagram for the witchy content but I just can’t with instagram right now 😂
Brilliant ! Thank you- all of you!
Very smart keep your private stuff private. We are all unique individuals with thoughts of our own and the crazies that say your doing it wrong is their opinion. Thank them for their unique opinion and move on
You just keep doing you and ignore their OPINIONS because they believe what they are spewing and you will never change their minds so just keep believing in your way and thank them and say a prayer that they will just go away lol
I'm sensing that someone needs to take a break from the platform for a bit and just heal mentally and emotionally 🖤
I'm grateful because I've learned all this wonderful information on RUclips! Everything from spirituality, meditation, manifestation, witchcraft and more. I'd be a different person without creators like these 4. I am very grateful and I love supporting these creators as well. I'm grateful that I'm much more able to support them now buying whatever I can. Something I'll simply let the ads play so they can be paid more. I love to comment too and sad that comments can be soooo negative!
I have a few creators I can't wait to join their paid groups.
Very much enjoyable listening to long format videos. Especially when I'm in my attic doing woodworking. ❤
This was so awesome!! I still have a half hour to go, but I had to comment and let all of you know how much I enjoyed this. I'm watching this in parts, it will take me 3 days, lol! 😂 Please know you are appreciated more than you know. Sending Love to all of you. ❤❤🪄🕯🃏🌛🌕🌜❤️❤️
You guys are all doing your very best. I’m grateful for all the knowledge, whether it has worked for me or not because I believe all this knowledge needs to reach the ears of all witches and practicioners. Don’t think about the nitpickers, because they have nothing better to do than pick other’s beliefs apart, it’s not worth anyone’s time to reply to that or let it into tour energy. Blessings of protections for you all against that garbage :)
Well I follow witch of wonderlust and now I found a bunch of other people to follow that's exciting. I loved listening to this while doing the laundry..great conversations.
Thank you! I thoroughly enjoyed this panel. I'm a novelist so I recognise much of what you say here, from a slightly different angle maybe but good things are good in both our places and bad things bad. Mostly what I want to say is that all four of you have beautiful spirits. Thank you.
I love this conversation and appreciate that creators such as yourselves continue to offer content in the face of so many challenges. You ARE making such an enormous and positive impact in the lives of so many. Thank you for all your research, for your creativity, and for putting faces on the occult, witchy, magical worlds. ❤
I appreciate the aesthetics and thank you for this. I'm an artist first and love that I can channel my art creatively
I truly love and applaud an open discussion of salary and the challenges / benefits of any career field, so bravo to all of you!
You guys need to be loaded as kind as you are! Definitely, I appreciate it, and I am grateful for your honesty 🙏 I loved this
“Everyone’s truth is just as true as another person’s truth.” Love this!
I finally just got to watch this and it was SO needed, in particular the part about DMs, e-mails, comments, etc. It can get incredibly out of control and seeing/hearing about the situations you each have dealt with and how you've navigated it is truly so helpful. Thank you all for sharing and discussing this, its really really important!
As a follower who has recently started on my spiritual journey I’ve actually got turned off by negative content. Thank you for pushing through the negative comments and sticking to spreading the light and teaching us.
Omg lol im not a creator but I get the whole “being on” I work at Starbucks and I am pretty peopy but I definitely get exhausted some days. I work close to home so I see my customers outside of work while I’m shopping
Came here from Nikes community post! I LOVE videos like this, where witchy and/or pagan creators come together and discuss, there's just so much to learn and it's the primary way I learn about new creators (found Olivia first, then Nike, then Marshall through their communities interacting). I'm excited to check out your channel, and thank you for hosting this panel!
Love this colab! 🧡🧡🧡 Thank you Ivy! Incredible content and when I started following you earlier this year I never would have thought you only started making content a year ago. You are professional and share SO much knowledge! Love everyone 😘🤌
I haven watched warrior witch,but I love all of you because each path is individual and should be different than mine e it's how we learn and grow.
I am so grateful to all four of you for being honest and straightforward about what you go through. I particularly liked:
- Marshall at 28:54 mentioning "putting rings on it" - it made me realize you, as content creators, are all 'bringing Cinderella to the ball.'
- Nike mentioning at 35:05 how much is hidden on their channel because people are awful.
- Olivia describing at 1:16:57 the difference between teachers and 'cheat sheets'; I know that's a problem everywhere.
- Ivy mentioning the overlap between identities! That was so cool!
Finally, a million snaps for Nike's owning of their name and practice!
You're right! It doesn't go away and it doesn't stop No matter how long you video on your channel in Paganism on whatever path because there will always be someone who disagrees or thinks they know more than you(about your own opinion or practice even) or can do something better likewise or that your path is infinitely wrong etc and it can initiate within you character traits you don't like about yourself where those didn't exist before. This all renders you into the state of RUclips burnout in the end if you let it, as I did in part to what made me lay it down for a rather long period of time...REGRETFULLY, I might add as I try now to get back to where I ended atleast, having lost a great deal of my subscribers in the time I was away, six years in fact. I dealt with all of this as a Witch/Wiccan RUclips creater and unfortunately most of the trolling comes from people that identify themselves as being on the same path or similar path as you. I agree with so much the four of you discussed in this video and I think you all have so many beautiful gifts within you and not just upon your own spiritual pathways but upon your life paths in general. Many Bright Blessings to you!
I think what it all boils down to with people that are entitled is instant gratification…. Expecting you to see their comment immediately, expecting you to answer them immediately, expecting you to be their personal bestie and not watching videos or looking back to see if the info is there before they ask ….. thank you for everything that y’all do!
Perfect Sunday for me here over in Germany..4 of the greatest content & education creators in converstation. I am delighted, thank you guys ❤💫
Yo!!!!! Great GREAT share. I am officially in love with all of you, guys! Thanks for the honesty and keeping this REAL.
Great panel 😊 thanks for getting such wonderful creators together.
Thanks Abi!!
Watching this while working (I work from home sometimes) made my day so much more enjoyable. Most days I’m dragging myself through the work day but watching this entire video while working was refreshing and made my day go by faster. THANK YOU for this video!!
I'm only a quarter of the way through the video but I just wanted to say that you are all awesome! I'm not a content creator but I am an artist and sell my creations at arts and crafts shows and online and I do get support but it's sometimes overwhelming how self critical I can be/semi alarming with how rude and completely narrow minded people can be. It takes a lot of balls (metaphorically!) to do the work, not only for yourself but then to put it out there for others and then get shat on.... And then keep going, even bigger balls. and I think a lot of people dont see or care about that and disregard all of your hard work and determination to do something you're passionate about and provide a service. I'm a big "let's see you do it then" person. Lol
I'm not a big commenter on RUclips etc but I definitely will be even more mindful about commenting moving forward.
Thanks so much for this content and my bruised little empathic heart goes out to each one of you and sends out throat punches to all the worms who are just trying to be dicks to y'all or anyone! Keep on trucking!
Loved this discussion SO much. Yes yes. And also yes. And yup. Yeah. Thank you 🙏🏻
Absolutely loved this! I am not a witchy content creator but I do create more recipes and health stuff. I agree with so many things yall said! Like we only have 1500 subs but everyone is like a good friend, so now I am like oh 10k eeks.
Amazing that people get to the end? I love when there is a group chat like this. With all the negativity you guys experience on these social and video forums it really is fantastic to see people get together and "talk shop" or even just share experiences. I love this sort of thing!
This was such a great video-- not just about being a content creator, but being a magick/spiritual practitioner in this crazy dance called life. I appreciate your insights.
I think it's fantastic to see witchcraft evolving the way it is, I've been a witch for over 4 decades and a Reiki master and I love seeing different perspectives, and with such passion, this is how we heal the earth and ourselves.. You all are so brave, I have watched you all show your craft, I've really enjoyed it on different platforms..I know it's hard but do try to not take heed to negative energies as it gives them power, you know that it will manifest .. Anyway much aroha to you all, from New Zealand 🤲💫💞🖖