Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 01:02 Tea 03:05 Plant Spirits & Our Experiences 13:49 Femininity & Masculinity Theory in Plants 22:35 The Poison Path 31:32 Death Magick: Why We Are Drawn To It 35:00 What Happens After We Die? 43:08 Divination: Scrying With Spirits 45:04 Seances: Our Experiences With Spirits 58:56 Books We Recommend 01:06:13 Outro
Ok... talking about reincarnation....... that's the exact theory I have.... Have you guys ever experienced anything with akashic records? Cause you are describing what I have experience with akashic records right there... and I'm from Argentina... so.... 🤔 I may or may not have pooped my pants... 🙊🙈
I avoid looking up correspondences for anything, I find my workings are more successful when I just trust my instincts and use things that feel right for that particular working, rather than using what someone else has decided will work. Its nice to hear I’m not alone there!
@IvyTheOccultist I can't wait to hear you talk about your practice as far as the chaos part goes! So excited! Thank you for sharing all you do, it's helped me along with my own practice. XX 💙
If you love morning glories, I highly recommend moonflowers. It’s from the same family of flowers as morning glories and has the same light & soil requirements. It’s almost meditative to sit and watch them bloom as the sun sets. It’s also kind of like waiting on a first kiss when you see it open!
thank you both for this mindblowing conversation! it went by so fast. "Life enjoys giving Death gifts" is so trippy, as is the pool of energy before & after death. what a wild ride! -i've not really worked with plants but always feel drawn to do so, i felt like i really didn't know how, but i'll just try what you suggested. i think i'll head out to the woods tomorrow and go for a short hike.- i'll totally have to watch this again. thank you, -peace.
Oh I am so excited for you to start working with plant spirits! Yes, go for an adventure in the woods and see how things make you feel! I always find that bathing in a plant or ingesting a plant is a really good way to see how it makes you feel. (OBVIOUSLY make sure it's something that's not toxic first. 😂) And thank you; I'm glad you enjoyed the conversation!
You guys don't even understand my excitement when I saw that you two did a video together! Literally my most favorite witches! Thank you both for the book recommendations. I am almost 60% through Consorting with Spirits and it's a good one. I also like that I'm not the only one with the thought of coming from a pool of energy with elements of other energies combined.
I believe we come from, and return to, a primordial pool. We are not alone prior to our first breath, nor are we alone at our last. I love the Lego and color samples analogies. I'm pretty sure I squealed with delight when I saw this happening 😊 Events in my life have led me down the path of death doula. I'm going to have to rewatch this to get the booklist. I have several on my list that might need to get bumped up now. Thank you!
When you brought up the cell (in biology), it reminded me of fractals and how we seem to find these patterns all over from cells to much larger living things. Great convo!
Love this. So great to hear Olivia being interviewed and not the other way around. She is a wealth of knowledge and I loved you both chatting together, especially about plants! ❤to you both.
I’m screaming inside right now bc Ivy has the precise idea of what happens after death that I do!!! I’ve never been able to put it into words, but it’s something I’ve ALWAYS FELT!!!! I’ve never met or heard of anyone who has that precise belief! Olivia and Ivy, you’re my soul sisters!!!❤❤❤
I literally squealed when I saw the notification for this post: two of my very favorite witchy folks chatting over tea!! I couldn't wait to sit down and watch, and as expected it was just like being there with you two and the time just flew by! Thank you so much, both of you, for your contributions. Love you both bunches! 😘😘😘
🤯OMG your Oneness is what I term the Web of Life that connects all things! Same concept. So cool. Thanks for sharing. Loved the universe as a cell correlation too. Definitely changes your perspective to know our universe is like a single grain of sand on a beach.
So glad you mentioned TIME with spirits!!! I literally had a full on conversation with my then boyfriend as a spirit when I was 17, and he died 20 years to the day that I had that experience. And I recognized the voice, felt so comfortable with him until he vanished before my eyes. At the time I wasn’t sure it was him because he was a middle aged man and it was dark in my room, but as soon as I found out he was missing I knew that it had been him 20 years prior.
Olivia, I had wild lilac bouquets at my wedding. Always loved them. I made lilac syrup it's delicious and delicate but tedious to make. I also have a strong connection with Datura (the Moon card in Herbcrafter's Tarot ), Foxglove and Angelica.
I can't believe you were both talking about the same theory of the afterlife that I envision! I was just telling my son basically the same thing and, to take it to another level, that I believe this kind of 'reincarnation' is based on a quantum functionality. I think this might have something to do with past life memories, but also affinities we might have for places, eras, types of plants or rocks or talents or anything really. I don't believe our soul is 'human' like our bodies, we're just made up of this earth's (and maybe even the universe's) components that get broken up, swapped around & redistributed again to experience this physical plane. That's just amazing!
This is the first time someone has proposed a theory for an afterlife/reincarnation that actually makes sense to me. I have never felt like their was some deity pulling strings, but rather it is like an ecosystem constantly recycling, like you said. I enjoyed this video so much, thank you!!!!
Life is a puddle. Every raindrop is similar, different & independent, but all in one at the same time. Collects, mixes, evaporates, to repeat the process again & again.
Your idea about reincarnation is how I see it too. Not entirely sure if it is a lineage belief but my buddhist mom had reincarbation explained like that by a high lama (teacher) too. The exact explanation is: imagine the energy for all beings as an ocean and living beings as glasses with said ocean water in it but when we die it all goes back into the ocean and once something is born it gets filled into cups/glasses. They say once you've understood this concept of oneness not just interlectually but spiritually (the hard part being that the "good" and the "bad" parts being you/everyone/no one) and learned to not get attached to anything or anyone you'll be enlightened
Morning Glories were a big part of my daily rituals before I moved to my new house. I didn't realize how important was my interaction with them until acknowledging their absence. Tending to them was a daily meditation for me and I bonded with them very closely. I will be off to plant more very soon.
The energy working with death is comforting, i work with death often. I died last year and, it's unexplainable what I felt, saw and experienced. It was personal for the most bur, the feeling of peace has no explanation.
I was surprised to hear Ivy describe her understanding of life after death, but then to hear Olivia say the same thing absolutely blew my mind! This is precisely how I've described my beliefs on the afterlife, and I also have never met another person who shared those beliefs. I'm definitely subscribing to both of these channels now!
I was afraid of death for many years. Having a lot of Scorpio in my chart thinking about death always popped up, but I would get really freaked out by it. About four years ago I started working with Morrigan and Persephone and it really helped me heal my fear of death (for the most part 🖤). I can't wait to read these books.
LMAOOO that eye rolling of the plant 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 I do understand the idea of plants being "she" do to earth deities being mostly Goddesses. I have thought about the soul being picked from different "places" before but I haven't thought of it too much though. I would TOTALLY play Olivias video game. I would love to ask Olivia if she looks at her face when she scrys because if she does there's a phenomenon and I believe it is called The Troxler Effect, it happens when you look at yourself in the mirror and your brain trys to fix your face or something and that why we usually see scary faces on our face. WOW that circle story from Olivia was COOL!!!! Another GREAT interview Ivy!!!! Maybe you could interview Annie the Green Witch in the future.
I would love to do a video with Annie in the future - we shall see! Also, super interesting about The Troxler Effect... I'll have to look into that more. Sounds rad!
Ooohh I’ll look more into that! The face thing only happens when this one spirit im communicating with comes through, so maybe my brain is just messing with me😂
Two of my favorite youtubers at the same time? Yes, please! I am so glad you interviewed Olivia! I'm going to have to rewatch this a few times. I love the discussion about plants although, I would put Rose in the hard feminine category. For me, she is more protective than about love though I do use her petals in love magic. I also have a similar viewpoint on death as the two of you. I have two deceased loved ones who tell me things, from time to time, about their experience. It's a little mind boggling. If either of you haven't read The Secret Life of Plants, I highly recommend that book! I could write a novel here but I won't. 😊 Thank you, thank you, thank you for doing this interview! ❤
Having just moved into my own house after renting all my adult life, I can now plant a garden. But my first year here, I wanted to see what grew here already, what plants are natural here and what the old owners planted. I have so many BlackBerry bushes and I dont want to get rid of them. They seem protective to me. I have grape vine which is evasive but also seems protective. I have an old crabapple that the deer love. I hate to get rid of it although it looks sickly. I feel like I will add to what is here but I want to keep what is here. But the one plant I have that scares me is what I think is poison ivy on the big tree smack dab in the middle of my back yard. I admire her from a distance but she feels protective to the land. I need to clean up the yard first, but keep what is here in a more healthy way, if that makes sense, since it's all smushed together.
Oooh that’s so exciting!!! Maybe look into pruning your apple tree. A lot of times people think they have a crabapple tree and it turns out to be an heirloom variety that’s been neglected. They do well with regular pruning. If nothing else, you can use them to make ACV if they’re a decent size. You probably couldn’t get rid of the grapevines of you wanted to tho… Just prune them vigorously every spring and enjoy your homemade grapevine wreaths lol.
@@peckishpagan this grape vine is huge! I'm thinking more like 8 wreaths from it, maybe more! I know its impossible to get rid of and that's kind of what I mean about cleaning up the plants, most are neglected and over grown. But if I trim and tidy them up so they arent so wildly overgrown, take care of them, maybe they will look better and thrive. Then I mix in some of what I want to plant, and I could have something nice like that. It's too early here to do much. Snowed yesterday and all, but that's what I hope to do.
When I started my journey just over a year ago, I "stumbled" uon Dandelion. I was reading about how Native Americans (I also happen to be Native Americans) would consume the entire plant. I dove into learning all I could about it. This led me to wanting to learn about other plants. Which in turn, led me to Maia Tolls Illustrated Herbiary. Currently, I'm working with Burdock. I've just started and cannot wait to see where the relationship goes!
So happy to see more people work with dandelion! It's so hardy and full of health and vitality. Wishing you lots of enlightenment with your plant spirit journey!
You should both check out the game Final Fantasy VII, that follows a similar philosophy to what you mentioned about what happens after death Bugenhagen "Eventually... all humans die. What happens to them after they die? The body decomposes, and returns to the Planet. That much everyone knows. What about their consciousness, their hearts and their souls? The soul too returns to the Planet. And not only those of humans, but everything on this Planet. In fact, all living things in the universe, are the same. The spirits that return to the Planet, merge with one another and roam the Planet. They roam, converge, and divide, becoming a swell, called the 'Lifestream'. Lifestream... In other words, a path of energy of the souls roaming the Planet. 'Spirit Energy' is a word that you should never forget. A new life... children are blessed with Spirit energy and are brought into the world. Then, the time comes when they die and once again return to the Planet... Of course there are exceptions, but this is the way of the world. I've digressed, but you'll understand better if you watch this." *On the Planet model, a man is born, and dies. His spirit energy enters the Lifestream and forms a tree elsewhere. The tree dies and returns to the Lifestream. A new man is born, and dies, etc. Eventually the Lifestream covers the entire Planet.* Bugenhagen "Spirit energy makes all things possible, trees, birds, and humans."
The part about groupings of particles into atoms, sub-cellular organisms into cells, planets into systems, and onward... This reminded me of a Rob Bell talk I watched on RUclips, "Everything is Spiritual" (heads up, he's a (kind of) Christian pastor for anyone who wants that warning), in which he describes an idea of "God" in part as a force driving the evolution of individual things (starting right after the Big Bang when there weren't atoms yet) into ever-growing complexities that have their own behavior separate from their parts, like in bird flocks--called "emergence" or "epiphenomena". He suggests our destiny is to join together in such a complexity. Also reminds me of comic book artist and chaos magician Grant Morrison talking about multi-dimensional beings telling him we're like individual fingers who in a 2D world thing they're individual, but 3D beings can see they are all attached to a hand, haha.
I believe the plant and tree divine Spirits/soul have a specific energy that can be designated either Feminine or Masculine. I understand that's why trees of the same species can have a different energy. 🌱
In science there's this theory of the universe observing it self through every animal, plant, human, planet etc and that this could be what we experience as God. We are all a small piece of the godhead experiencing itself. I like this theory very much. Paulo Coelho have written a novel called "Brida" wich talks about reincarnation and soulmates in a similar way as what you guys are describing here but the way you talk about it makes much more sense and feels more loving than it did to me reading the novel. Excellent philosophical conversation. I love it.
I agree with Ivy about being on my last deployment to Planet Earth. My studies lead me to believe that reincarnation is real, but it's voluntary; and in that case I can't see myself deciding to come back here. (especially since there must be millions of planets with life on them, and that means that we can probably reincarnate to ANY of them, as ANY type of creature, ANYWHERE. If that's true, why would I want to come back here and go to Middle School all over again?)
37:14 literally me my partner and our best friend have the same belief system. It's complicated as hell but we've had multiple conversations about this it's essentially the same way you guys are talking. I wouldn't say I "identify" as anything but I feel connected with pantheism in some way. Its not exactly the dictionary definition but its not an easy thing to put words to so that makes sense. I grew up around Catholicism but it never resonated with me. Then I started my psychedelic journey and that's what really pushed me toward the feeling of wholeness with everything. Every human, every plant, every rock. I cant even explain the feeling it gives me. I just KNOW. You know? There's some shit going on that we can't see in this human form
I'm so glad to see that there are more people out there that view the world in a similar way. I can definitely resonate with pantheism as well. Thank you! 🖤
I just wanted to say that I completely agree with you both on the energy fluidity of plants! Ivy! Your theory makes so much sense to me and I’ve just never thought to put it to words like that, but you are so right on how they feel and the kind of “levels” of certain energy they put out. And I’ve experienced what Olivia talks about with the blue spruce too- that’s how I feel with rosemary especially. I love watching your videos because I swear, in each one there’s always something that resonates with me and clicks with me (as I’m sure is true with all or most of your followers!) Anyway, I just got excited to I had to comment haha. I’m going to finish watching the rest of the video now 😊
I so love you two together. You have me laughing and also have me so on the edge of my seat taking in everything and have my mind so swirling and taking in everything. Thank you for this.
So nice to know that I'm not the only one that believes in the 'collective energy pool' after we die and the 'pinch of this, sprinkling of that' remix of the energy to create new life.
Omg!! You two are marvelous! Enjoyed this more than you can know! I was so with you witches every step of the way..yelling at my phone " me too! Me too"
the first plant i really connected with was the Rowan Tree. Growing up, my grandparents had 2 Rowan trees in their yard. They have always been this symbol of home & safety for me. Then last year i was looking into the lor & properties of it... it just made me feel even more connected. This year my grandma sold the house which was a huge part of my childhood. I really wish i could of gone out to visit before that happened.
Loved watching this energy exchange between you 2. More please! 😁 Also... I consider myself a spiritual atheist. Atheism is merely the answer to the question of belief in a God (capital G). I don't believe in a supreme creator but I do believe in a source. As you ladies said, there is no separation. So if there is no separation, how can there be a supreme being? If we are made of stardust, how can there be separation? I just wanted to put this out there for anyone that feels like you can't be both. There is not a box you need to fit into. Be true to yourself, even if you stand alone. Chances are... You don't. 💛
So I’m late to the party but I’m just able to watch this interview. My husband and I have talked extensively on the subject of death and how we believe and we both feel like what Ivy described when we die. It so weird because if we ever try to tell friends they look at us like we are crazy. My husband isn’t even a practitioner but he feels/believes the same. I also feel like this is the last time I will be here too. I can’t believe others feel/believe this way, it honestly makes me feel less crazy. Lol
💜 this conversation and the chemistry between you is delightful. Loved all the 🪴 🌱 talk and death. My two fave subjects! I have Pluto in the 1st house opposite Sun & Moon in the 8th. I also related with the religious cult upbringing along with being sheltered. It was JW and I was in until age 30. I'm 45 now and ❤ my practice because it works. Blessings to you both.
intuitively i read morning glories as protective in a gentle way?? if that makes sense. or just the beauty aspect of protective energy i suppose… because it can grow so abundantly that it forms a sort of armor of beauty around a structure. i guess it could also be good for prosperity as it does grow so plentifully. i could also see it being good for glamour work too 👀 so excited to look into that more 😄
I tend to view reincarnation as like the transfer of energy in ecology. Every tier on the food chain gets 10% of the energy that what it eats produces, and the rest is released into the ecosystem as heat. Idk how to explain how that correlates in spiritual terms, but it makes sense I promise.
17:39 is a perfect example of a question I have had for a while of I’m working with 2 of the same plants and they have similar energies but not the same cause they each have their own spirit and I didn’t know if anyone else had experienced similar!
❤ I'm happy to hear that we have the same after or in-between life(s) concept 😊 love your Chanel and i always tell my customers to check your content cuz you don't sugar coat 😅 thanks for sharing your knowledge so clearly, clever and fun
There's no time with spirit and ancestors, they come to reveal messages. Their always with us but, some come one once depending what's going on in your life. Either a warning of help or not a good thing. I'm writing as i listen.
Most definitely no one has to be a practitioner to feel, even see ext..yall need to come to Miami and, attend a Saanteria or Muerto drumming. Iku is amazing to work with, iku is the name of death. If you haven't seen the movie " meet joe black" i recommended!!! I love this video you both have beautiful energies. Blessed be 🖤🔮
What an interested topic about death. Your theory about “life” after death was thought provoking for me as I have never thought about it that way. It does make sense but it would mean we lose control over “self.” You wouldn’t have the option of never being recycled again because a piece of your current self would always be apart of the next cycle of life. So those of us who choose not to be reborn again, it would essentially be impossible unless there is a point that which we can identify us as “self.” No? Just a thought.
I absolutely love your videos I have been following your RUclips since I started my past seven years ago consorting with spirits I'm reading that book right now I absolutely love I love how he goes into details about working with certain spirits I love the chapter where he talks about working with Hecate
"Because the spectrum of just masculine and just feminine is so limiting". Try the Mistborn system (invented, but still counts): Push vs Pull energies & Internal vs External effect
OMG! Yes to your combined theories of what happens when you die! And if you see this comment have you ever read Carlos Casteneda ? His teacher explains basically the same idea to him.
This was so interesting to listen to. I especially love to hear about your theories about what happens to us after we die. Because when I had some shamanic training I had a similar experience during a shamanic journey: a place of light, peace, calmness and oneness with all other beings there. It was so profound for me to experience that. Ever since then, I have lost my fear of dying and death. Thanks for talking about this and the other topics. 💚
Wow! It's the first time I see someone with the same vision of the afterlife as me! The cool thing is that it wasn't just one person. I loved your conversation and it made me think a lot!
I share the same theory on the afterlife. I tend to refer to the collective unconscious as an ocean, and all living things are rivers, streams, creeks, springs. Some of these have a strong flow, some are stagnant, some bubble or erupt or roil. And sometimes, these bodies of water dry up, or recede back to the one ocean, but the earth keeps a memory of them, a ravine, a dry creek bed, and these memories are how I interpret spirits. Meh, it's an evolving theory.
In terms of what happens after death, I have the same theory! I only shared my thoughts to one person and he looked at me real weird haha. I think of us and every living thing as energy. Thank you for this collaboration.
Such a great discussion! Totally falls in line with all of my contemplations on death, and the cosmos. I feel like I stumbled on this video at the PERFECT time , thank you! Also, I have that exact same fear when I think about all of that empty space. haha
Omg! I Scry all the time but, i see spirits and, other things all the time. I love it lol.. omg @thewitchofwonderlust we have alot in common with, the cemetery is fascinating. I'm initiated with death so it's significant. I also pass spirit so when i do, or attend a seance it's uncomfortable to pass spirits. So if im not needed i warn everyone not to let spirit pass through.
I’m a beginner green witch and I’m nonbinary so I’ve been struggling with the whole plant gender categorization thing lately- but the stuff in this video definitely helped me sort my thoughts on the matter! I’ll definitely be using the hard/soft/masculine/feminine/fluid system from now on.
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
01:02 Tea
03:05 Plant Spirits & Our Experiences
13:49 Femininity & Masculinity Theory in Plants
22:35 The Poison Path
31:32 Death Magick: Why We Are Drawn To It
35:00 What Happens After We Die?
43:08 Divination: Scrying With Spirits
45:04 Seances: Our Experiences With Spirits
58:56 Books We Recommend
01:06:13 Outro
Ok... talking about reincarnation....... that's the exact theory I have....
Have you guys ever experienced anything with akashic records? Cause you are describing what I have experience with akashic records right there... and I'm from Argentina... so.... 🤔
I may or may not have pooped my pants... 🙊🙈
I avoid looking up correspondences for anything, I find my workings are more successful when I just trust my instincts and use things that feel right for that particular working, rather than using what someone else has decided will work. Its nice to hear I’m not alone there!
YES! It's so much more validating! 🙏
I have been watching Olivia’s interview playlist and I was hoping the two of you would have a conversation and here it is!!! Woot woot!!! ❤
Woo! I'll be on her channel to talk about chaos magick next month! 🥳❤️
@IvyTheOccultist I can't wait to hear you talk about your practice as far as the chaos part goes! So excited! Thank you for sharing all you do, it's helped me along with my own practice. XX 💙
If you love morning glories, I highly recommend moonflowers. It’s from the same family of flowers as morning glories and has the same light & soil requirements. It’s almost meditative to sit and watch them bloom as the sun sets. It’s also kind of like waiting on a first kiss when you see it open!
That sounds lovely! Thank you for the recommendation! 😍
I love that comparison.
So Beautiful ❤
thank you both for this mindblowing conversation! it went by so fast. "Life enjoys giving Death gifts" is so trippy, as is the pool of energy before & after death. what a wild ride! -i've not really worked with plants but always feel drawn to do so, i felt like i really didn't know how, but i'll just try what you suggested. i think i'll head out to the woods tomorrow and go for a short hike.- i'll totally have to watch this again. thank you, -peace.
Oh I am so excited for you to start working with plant spirits! Yes, go for an adventure in the woods and see how things make you feel! I always find that bathing in a plant or ingesting a plant is a really good way to see how it makes you feel. (OBVIOUSLY make sure it's something that's not toxic first. 😂) And thank you; I'm glad you enjoyed the conversation!
You guys don't even understand my excitement when I saw that you two did a video together! Literally my most favorite witches! Thank you both for the book recommendations. I am almost 60% through Consorting with Spirits and it's a good one. I also like that I'm not the only one with the thought of coming from a pool of energy with elements of other energies combined.
Yes!!! So glad you agree with our death theory! Glad you're reading Consorting with Spirits too... It's so good. Thank you for the lovely comment! ❤️
Same!! Love you both so much!!
I believe we come from, and return to, a primordial pool. We are not alone prior to our first breath, nor are we alone at our last. I love the Lego and color samples analogies. I'm pretty sure I squealed with delight when I saw this happening 😊 Events in my life have led me down the path of death doula. I'm going to have to rewatch this to get the booklist. I have several on my list that might need to get bumped up now. Thank you!
Yes to the primordial pool! Love that you're a death doula - we need more in the world. 🖤
When you brought up the cell (in biology), it reminded me of fractals and how we seem to find these patterns all over from cells to much larger living things. Great convo!
Yessss!!! 🙌❤️
would watch you two talking again in a heartbeat. so good!
Love this. So great to hear Olivia being interviewed and not the other way around. She is a wealth of knowledge and I loved you both chatting together, especially about plants! ❤to you both.
It was a pleasure to interview her - such a fun conversation. Much love to you friend! ❤️
I’m screaming inside right now bc Ivy has the precise idea of what happens after death that I do!!! I’ve never been able to put it into words, but it’s something I’ve ALWAYS FELT!!!! I’ve never met or heard of anyone who has that precise belief! Olivia and Ivy, you’re my soul sisters!!!❤❤❤
I literally squealed when I saw the notification for this post: two of my very favorite witchy folks chatting over tea!! I couldn't wait to sit down and watch, and as expected it was just like being there with you two and the time just flew by! Thank you so much, both of you, for your contributions. Love you both bunches! 😘😘😘
Ahhh, thank you so much!! So glad you enjoyed the convo! ❤️❤️
🤯OMG your Oneness is what I term the Web of Life that connects all things! Same concept. So cool. Thanks for sharing. Loved the universe as a cell correlation too. Definitely changes your perspective to know our universe is like a single grain of sand on a beach.
So glad you mentioned TIME with spirits!!! I literally had a full on conversation with my then boyfriend as a spirit when I was 17, and he died 20 years to the day that I had that experience. And I recognized the voice, felt so comfortable with him until he vanished before my eyes. At the time I wasn’t sure it was him because he was a middle aged man and it was dark in my room, but as soon as I found out he was missing I knew that it had been him 20 years prior.
That is so fascinating!! Glad you had that experience with him 🖤 Though, I'm sure some of it was painful. Lots of love to you.
Olivia, I had wild lilac bouquets at my wedding. Always loved them. I made lilac syrup it's delicious and delicate but tedious to make. I also have a strong connection with Datura (the Moon card in Herbcrafter's Tarot ), Foxglove and Angelica.
I can't believe you were both talking about the same theory of the afterlife that I envision! I was just telling my son basically the same thing and, to take it to another level, that I believe this kind of 'reincarnation' is based on a quantum functionality. I think this might have something to do with past life memories, but also affinities we might have for places, eras, types of plants or rocks or talents or anything really. I don't believe our soul is 'human' like our bodies, we're just made up of this earth's (and maybe even the universe's) components that get broken up, swapped around & redistributed again to experience this physical plane. That's just amazing!
A whole hour?! You spoil us! 😍
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This is the first time someone has proposed a theory for an afterlife/reincarnation that actually makes sense to me. I have never felt like their was some deity pulling strings, but rather it is like an ecosystem constantly recycling, like you said. I enjoyed this video so much, thank you!!!!
Life is a puddle. Every raindrop is similar, different & independent, but all in one at the same time. Collects, mixes, evaporates, to repeat the process again & again.
Your idea about reincarnation is how I see it too. Not entirely sure if it is a lineage belief but my buddhist mom had reincarbation explained like that by a high lama (teacher) too. The exact explanation is: imagine the energy for all beings as an ocean and living beings as glasses with said ocean water in it but when we die it all goes back into the ocean and once something is born it gets filled into cups/glasses.
They say once you've understood this concept of oneness not just interlectually but spiritually (the hard part being that the "good" and the "bad" parts being you/everyone/no one) and learned to not get attached to anything or anyone you'll be enlightened
Morning Glories were a big part of my daily rituals before I moved to my new house. I didn't realize how important was my interaction with them until acknowledging their absence. Tending to them was a daily meditation for me and I bonded with them very closely. I will be off to plant more very soon.
Glad to know you'll be planting those again, because plants are such a mental health booster! ✨
TMW two of my favorite creators collaborate! 😍🖤
The energy working with death is comforting, i work with death often. I died last year and, it's unexplainable what I felt, saw and experienced. It was personal for the most bur, the feeling of peace has no explanation.
I was surprised to hear Ivy describe her understanding of life after death, but then to hear Olivia say the same thing absolutely blew my mind! This is precisely how I've described my beliefs on the afterlife, and I also have never met another person who shared those beliefs. I'm definitely subscribing to both of these channels now!
I was afraid of death for many years. Having a lot of Scorpio in my chart thinking about death always popped up, but I would get really freaked out by it. About four years ago I started working with Morrigan and Persephone and it really helped me heal my fear of death (for the most part 🖤). I can't wait to read these books.
LMAOOO that eye rolling of the plant 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 I do understand the idea of plants being "she" do to earth deities being mostly Goddesses. I have thought about the soul being picked from different "places" before but I haven't thought of it too much though. I would TOTALLY play Olivias video game. I would love to ask Olivia if she looks at her face when she scrys because if she does there's a phenomenon and I believe it is called The Troxler Effect, it happens when you look at yourself in the mirror and your brain trys to fix your face or something and that why we usually see scary faces on our face. WOW that circle story from Olivia was COOL!!!! Another GREAT interview Ivy!!!! Maybe you could interview Annie the Green Witch in the future.
I would love to do a video with Annie in the future - we shall see! Also, super interesting about The Troxler Effect... I'll have to look into that more. Sounds rad!
Ooohh I’ll look more into that! The face thing only happens when this one spirit im communicating with comes through, so maybe my brain is just messing with me😂
Two of my favorite youtubers at the same time? Yes, please!
I am so glad you interviewed Olivia!
I'm going to have to rewatch this a few times. I love the discussion about plants although, I would put Rose in the hard feminine category. For me, she is more protective than about love though I do use her petals in love magic.
I also have a similar viewpoint on death as the two of you. I have two deceased loved ones who tell me things, from time to time, about their experience. It's a little mind boggling.
If either of you haven't read The Secret Life of Plants, I highly recommend that book!
I could write a novel here but I won't. 😊
Thank you, thank you, thank you for doing this interview! ❤
Thank you for the recommendation and the sweet comment! I have heard of that book but haven't read it yet. Will definitely check it out now ☺️
Eeeps. My two favourites in one video. So can't wait to watch this!!!❤
Having just moved into my own house after renting all my adult life, I can now plant a garden. But my first year here, I wanted to see what grew here already, what plants are natural here and what the old owners planted. I have so many BlackBerry bushes and I dont want to get rid of them. They seem protective to me. I have grape vine which is evasive but also seems protective. I have an old crabapple that the deer love. I hate to get rid of it although it looks sickly. I feel like I will add to what is here but I want to keep what is here. But the one plant I have that scares me is what I think is poison ivy on the big tree smack dab in the middle of my back yard. I admire her from a distance but she feels protective to the land. I need to clean up the yard first, but keep what is here in a more healthy way, if that makes sense, since it's all smushed together.
Oooh that’s so exciting!!! Maybe look into pruning your apple tree. A lot of times people think they have a crabapple tree and it turns out to be an heirloom variety that’s been neglected. They do well with regular pruning. If nothing else, you can use them to make ACV if they’re a decent size. You probably couldn’t get rid of the grapevines of you wanted to tho… Just prune them vigorously every spring and enjoy your homemade grapevine wreaths lol.
@@peckishpagan this grape vine is huge! I'm thinking more like 8 wreaths from it, maybe more! I know its impossible to get rid of and that's kind of what I mean about cleaning up the plants, most are neglected and over grown. But if I trim and tidy them up so they arent so wildly overgrown, take care of them, maybe they will look better and thrive. Then I mix in some of what I want to plant, and I could have something nice like that. It's too early here to do much. Snowed yesterday and all, but that's what I hope to do.
When I started my journey just over a year ago, I "stumbled" uon Dandelion. I was reading about how Native Americans (I also happen to be Native Americans) would consume the entire plant. I dove into learning all I could about it. This led me to wanting to learn about other plants. Which in turn, led me to Maia Tolls Illustrated Herbiary. Currently, I'm working with Burdock. I've just started and cannot wait to see where the relationship goes!
So happy to see more people work with dandelion! It's so hardy and full of health and vitality. Wishing you lots of enlightenment with your plant spirit journey!
You should both check out the game Final Fantasy VII, that follows a similar philosophy to what you mentioned about what happens after death
Bugenhagen
"Eventually... all humans die. What happens to them after they die? The body decomposes, and returns to the Planet. That much everyone knows. What about their consciousness, their hearts and their souls? The soul too returns to the Planet. And not only those of humans, but everything on this Planet. In fact, all living things in the universe, are the same. The spirits that return to the Planet, merge with one another and roam the Planet. They roam, converge, and divide, becoming a swell, called the 'Lifestream'. Lifestream... In other words, a path of energy of the souls roaming the Planet. 'Spirit Energy' is a word that you should never forget. A new life... children are blessed with Spirit energy and are brought into the world. Then, the time comes when they die and once again return to the Planet... Of course there are exceptions, but this is the way of the world. I've digressed, but you'll understand better if you watch this."
*On the Planet model, a man is born, and dies. His spirit energy enters the Lifestream and forms a tree elsewhere. The tree dies and returns to the Lifestream. A new man is born, and dies, etc. Eventually the Lifestream covers the entire Planet.*
Bugenhagen
"Spirit energy makes all things possible, trees, birds, and humans."
Fascinating! Totally looking into this more as a fellow gamer. Thanks for the recommendation!
Maybe that's what the milky way is?
@@sarahmoon1768 that’d be so cool! The Lifestream looks a lot like the Aurora Borealis - green/blue wavy ribbons of light.
The part about groupings of particles into atoms, sub-cellular organisms into cells, planets into systems, and onward... This reminded me of a Rob Bell talk I watched on RUclips, "Everything is Spiritual" (heads up, he's a (kind of) Christian pastor for anyone who wants that warning), in which he describes an idea of "God" in part as a force driving the evolution of individual things (starting right after the Big Bang when there weren't atoms yet) into ever-growing complexities that have their own behavior separate from their parts, like in bird flocks--called "emergence" or "epiphenomena". He suggests our destiny is to join together in such a complexity. Also reminds me of comic book artist and chaos magician Grant Morrison talking about multi-dimensional beings telling him we're like individual fingers who in a 2D world thing they're individual, but 3D beings can see they are all attached to a hand, haha.
I believe the plant and tree divine Spirits/soul have a specific energy that can be designated either Feminine or Masculine. I understand that's why trees of the same species can have a different energy. 🌱
I was literally just looking for a podcast to listen to and this pops up. Perfect timing ❤
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In science there's this theory of the universe observing it self through every animal, plant, human, planet etc and that this could be what we experience as God. We are all a small piece of the godhead experiencing itself. I like this theory very much. Paulo Coelho have written a novel called "Brida" wich talks about reincarnation and soulmates in a similar way as what you guys are describing here but the way you talk about it makes much more sense and feels more loving than it did to me reading the novel. Excellent philosophical conversation. I love it.
I agree with Ivy about being on my last deployment to Planet Earth. My studies lead me to believe that reincarnation is real, but it's voluntary; and in that case I can't see myself deciding to come back here. (especially since there must be millions of planets with life on them, and that means that we can probably reincarnate to ANY of them, as ANY type of creature, ANYWHERE. If that's true, why would I want to come back here and go to Middle School all over again?)
Bad ass interview 🦋 love Olivia & nice to be introduced to your channel threw her yt
37:14 literally me my partner and our best friend have the same belief system. It's complicated as hell but we've had multiple conversations about this it's essentially the same way you guys are talking. I wouldn't say I "identify" as anything but I feel connected with pantheism in some way. Its not exactly the dictionary definition but its not an easy thing to put words to so that makes sense. I grew up around Catholicism but it never resonated with me. Then I started my psychedelic journey and that's what really pushed me toward the feeling of wholeness with everything. Every human, every plant, every rock. I cant even explain the feeling it gives me. I just KNOW. You know? There's some shit going on that we can't see in this human form
I'm so glad to see that there are more people out there that view the world in a similar way. I can definitely resonate with pantheism as well. Thank you! 🖤
It really is such a cool thing😁
I just wanted to say that I completely agree with you both on the energy fluidity of plants!
Ivy! Your theory makes so much sense to me and I’ve just never thought to put it to words like that, but you are so right on how they feel and the kind of “levels” of certain energy they put out. And I’ve experienced what Olivia talks about with the blue spruce too- that’s how I feel with rosemary especially.
I love watching your videos because I swear, in each one there’s always something that resonates with me and clicks with me (as I’m sure is true with all or most of your followers!)
Anyway, I just got excited to I had to comment haha. I’m going to finish watching the rest of the video now 😊
She is correct on the Angels Trumpet ❤ I am a 40 year gardener and that is one of my favs 😊
I so love you two together. You have me laughing and also have me so on the edge of my seat taking in everything and have my mind so swirling and taking in everything. Thank you for this.
I'm so excited to know there are other skeptical witches out there who have very similar theories of what happens after death to my own.
Ive said ever since I was really young that I feel this is my last go around. It's nice to hear someone else feels it
So nice to know that I'm not the only one that believes in the 'collective energy pool' after we die and the 'pinch of this, sprinkling of that' remix of the energy to create new life.
Ahhh, another one! Welcome to our death crew! 😆🖤
Finding our people !
Omg!! You two are marvelous! Enjoyed this more than you can know! I was so with you witches every step of the way..yelling at my phone " me too! Me too"
Woo! So glad you enjoyed the conversation! ☺️🙏❤️
the first plant i really connected with was the Rowan Tree. Growing up, my grandparents had 2 Rowan trees in their yard. They have always been this symbol of home & safety for me. Then last year i was looking into the lor & properties of it... it just made me feel even more connected. This year my grandma sold the house which was a huge part of my childhood. I really wish i could of gone out to visit before that happened.
I love wood violets in the spring and wintergreen patch I found in the winter time ! My 2 fav things to find on season.
Two of my favs together!!! Loving this, more please❤
Loved watching this energy exchange between you 2. More please! 😁
Also... I consider myself a spiritual atheist. Atheism is merely the answer to the question of belief in a God (capital G). I don't believe in a supreme creator but I do believe in a source. As you ladies said, there is no separation. So if there is no separation, how can there be a supreme being? If we are made of stardust, how can there be separation? I just wanted to put this out there for anyone that feels like you can't be both. There is not a box you need to fit into. Be true to yourself, even if you stand alone. Chances are... You don't. 💛
So glad to see the 2 of you together here- love both of your channels
56:31 my video started freaking out and kept looping this little spirit seminar section.
So I’m late to the party but I’m just able to watch this interview. My husband and I have talked extensively on the subject of death and how we believe and we both feel like what Ivy described when we die. It so weird because if we ever try to tell friends they look at us like we are crazy. My husband isn’t even a practitioner but he feels/believes the same. I also feel like this is the last time I will be here too. I can’t believe others feel/believe this way, it honestly makes me feel less crazy. Lol
💜 this conversation and the chemistry between you is delightful. Loved all the 🪴 🌱 talk and death. My two fave subjects! I have Pluto in the 1st house opposite Sun & Moon in the 8th. I also related with the religious cult upbringing along with being sheltered. It was JW and I was in until age 30. I'm 45 now and ❤ my practice because it works. Blessings to you both.
intuitively i read morning glories as protective in a gentle way?? if that makes sense. or just the beauty aspect of protective energy i suppose… because it can grow so abundantly that it forms a sort of armor of beauty around a structure. i guess it could also be good for prosperity as it does grow so plentifully. i could also see it being good for glamour work too 👀 so excited to look into that more 😄
Thank you for sharing this, you both made me and my theories feel so much less alone 😭
I'm right there with y'all on the whole "soul Lego bucket thing". This is good stuff.
ha! Paused on Morning Glory and looked it up out of curiosity. Olivia was pretty much right on the money, talk about good instincts.
I loved this chat! I really like both of your channels, so to listen to this was great. Thank you to both ladies for your time, energy & wisdom! XX 💙
I really enjoyed this! Thank you both!
I need to learn more about plant spirits after watching this! So motivating.
I tend to view reincarnation as like the transfer of energy in ecology. Every tier on the food chain gets 10% of the energy that what it eats produces, and the rest is released into the ecosystem as heat. Idk how to explain how that correlates in spiritual terms, but it makes sense I promise.
Ahh thanks for acknowledging the “working theory” of “masculine and feminine” energy. I agree, let’s create new terms. Thank you
This was such a great chat to watch to start the spooky season!
My two favorites together....love it!!!!
I loved, loved Olivia's thoughts on scrying, I agree 100%. And the whole spirit thing made me laugh so much! Totally agree again!
17:39 is a perfect example of a question I have had for a while of I’m working with 2 of the same plants and they have similar energies but not the same cause they each have their own spirit and I didn’t know if anyone else had experienced similar!
I'm late but new to both of your channels & what a lovely surprise! Love this video! Lovely chatting❤️ Blessed Be 🪶🤍🔮🤍🪽
You're my two very favorites! 🥰💕 I love this so much. Thank you!
Just now seeing this! Thank you!!
❤ I'm happy to hear that we have the same after or in-between life(s) concept 😊 love your Chanel and i always tell my customers to check your content cuz you don't sugar coat 😅 thanks for sharing your knowledge so clearly, clever and fun
Aye here because of Olivia love discovering new podcasts
I just love you both so much!
Plant Witchery by Juliet Diaz is a great book on plant spirits with medicinal and metaphysical uses!
Omg i have mystical experiences related to morning glory tooo
There's no time with spirit and ancestors, they come to reveal messages. Their always with us but, some come one once depending what's going on in your life. Either a warning of help or not a good thing. I'm writing as i listen.
I love both of your channels so it was fun to see both of you in one video!
Thank you lovely! ❤️❤️
Oh the seance i do or attend are different, no tarot it's straight direct bringing spirit in or a passed Loved one.
The last life thing I have felt that all my life! I have mentioned this to people, and they don't understand what I mean. Wow
Most definitely no one has to be a practitioner to feel, even see ext..yall need to come to Miami and, attend a Saanteria or Muerto drumming. Iku is amazing to work with, iku is the name of death. If you haven't seen the movie " meet joe black" i recommended!!! I love this video you both have beautiful energies. Blessed be 🖤🔮
What an interested topic about death. Your theory about “life” after death was thought provoking for me as I have never thought about it that way. It does make sense but it would mean we lose control over “self.” You wouldn’t have the option of never being recycled again because a piece of your current self would always be apart of the next cycle of life. So those of us who choose not to be reborn again, it would essentially be impossible unless there is a point that which we can identify us as “self.” No? Just a thought.
I absolutely love your videos I have been following your RUclips since I started my past seven years ago consorting with spirits I'm reading that book right now I absolutely love I love how he goes into details about working with certain spirits I love the chapter where he talks about working with Hecate
"Because the spectrum of just masculine and just feminine is so limiting".
Try the Mistborn system (invented, but still counts):
Push vs Pull energies & Internal vs External effect
Totally looking into this. Thank you!
@105:03 I used to think about death everyday and sometimes have panic attacks too.
OMG! Yes to your combined theories of what happens when you die! And if you see this comment have you ever read Carlos Casteneda ? His teacher explains basically the same idea to him.
This was so interesting to listen to. I especially love to hear about your theories about what happens to us after we die. Because when I had some shamanic training I had a similar experience during a shamanic journey: a place of light, peace, calmness and oneness with all other beings there. It was so profound for me to experience that. Ever since then, I have lost my fear of dying and death. Thanks for talking about this and the other topics. 💚
Wow! It's the first time I see someone with the same vision of the afterlife as me! The cool thing is that it wasn't just one person. I loved your conversation and it made me think a lot!
Great interview and discussions.
Enjoyed immensely! Would love to listen to you, Olivia, and Anne do a witchcraft over “spirits” chat. ❤
I would love that! And thank you; glad you enjoyed the conversation! 🖤🖤
You 2 are not the only ones with that same theory on death. Teal Swan, a rather famous spiritual RUclipsr, agrees with you too.
WE LOVE OLIVIA !
Well, at least I do. :)
I share the same theory on the afterlife. I tend to refer to the collective unconscious as an ocean, and all living things are rivers, streams, creeks, springs. Some of these have a strong flow, some are stagnant, some bubble or erupt or roil. And sometimes, these bodies of water dry up, or recede back to the one ocean, but the earth keeps a memory of them, a ravine, a dry creek bed, and these memories are how I interpret spirits. Meh, it's an evolving theory.
In terms of what happens after death, I have the same theory! I only shared my thoughts to one person and he looked at me real weird haha. I think of us and every living thing as energy. Thank you for this collaboration.
I have been waiting for this!!!!
Never clicked on a video so fast in my life! This is the collab I've been hoping for.
14:37 Rose could be either soft or hard feminine because she has thorns. Which can double for protection & baneful magick.
Such a great discussion! Totally falls in line with all of my contemplations on death, and the cosmos. I feel like I stumbled on this video at the PERFECT time
, thank you!
Also, I have that exact same fear when I think about all of that empty space. haha
Omg! I Scry all the time but, i see spirits and, other things all the time. I love it lol.. omg @thewitchofwonderlust we have alot in common with, the cemetery is fascinating. I'm initiated with death so it's significant. I also pass spirit so when i do, or attend a seance it's uncomfortable to pass spirits. So if im not needed i warn everyone not to let spirit pass through.
Just want to say I share the same theory of death and rebirth. Proof of Akashic Records. Blessed 💕
I’m a beginner green witch and I’m nonbinary so I’ve been struggling with the whole plant gender categorization thing lately- but the stuff in this video definitely helped me sort my thoughts on the matter! I’ll definitely be using the hard/soft/masculine/feminine/fluid system from now on.
This type of video is super informative and a pleasure to see/hear. I would like to see more or even a part two!
“I like scrying, but it’s so fucking creepy.”
Yes!!! This. I have never related harder to anything.
I feel rosemary is feminine too, but it's always categorized as masculine in books and such