This video articulates the exact point I keep trying to drive home with people on both "sides" of this debate. A hundred years ago, people were a lot leaner, but it's not like the average person was more health conscious back then. Fitness minded folk have always been im the minority, so both back then and today, most people just existed and happened to be what weight they are. Thanks to the food industry, the food environment has become a lot more hostile such that today it has become an increasing necessity to be health conscious, whereas previously more people could have taken being a healthy weight for granted. Poor personal agency is not the reason for the population's skyrocketed obesity rate, but agency + proper knowledge is the way out of obesity for people today who are victims of the processed seed oil garbage that's everywhere today. Proper information is key because a lot of people are stuck in obesity despite "trying everything" and "doing everything right" (they went from eating indulgent snacks and fast food to vegan/plant based health snacks and protein versions of normal food, aka they went from hyperprocessed nutrient deficient garbage to hyperprocessed nutrient deficient garbage that is also unappetizing)
Back in the day people worked more physical jobs, and even the things they did in their "free" time for more strenuous because they lacked technology. There was no taking the taxi instead of walking, there was scything instead of using a lawn mover, chopping wood instead of just paying for gas heating, etc. This is also a big factor. That led them to being in much better shape and health than most people. Even today, people in rural areas who chop their own wood or scythe their own grass are almost always in great physical shape, and live to a very old age even though they do a lot of other unhealthy things (like drinking a lot, smoking cigarrettes, etc.) Turns out the only thing the average person needs to do is is eat "natural" foods (aka foods that aren't super processed, ideally that you or someone you know has hunted/harvested/grown), and take decent care of their health. But how can companies make money out of that?
@@weakest_serb This is also true. People on average are a lot more sedentary these days. I do think the major portion of the weight issue is diet though, and you can't outwork a bad diet. There are plenty of people today who are quite physically active and not lying about it, and yet are still obese because of their unhealthy diet. Tons of manual laborers like construction workers today are obese for instance.
What does seed oil have to do with anything? Seed oils aren’t addictive and there’s only a small amount of it added to products as a preservative. Sure in total that adds up as extra calories but that theoretical small surplus is obviously not the difference between the average person going from 15% body fat to 25%+. It’s simple modern foods are more addictive than the past evident by the results
Interesting perspective and agree the debate is setup to take sides. I’ve been thinking through it and have landed on the following as someone who has been overweight in the past. I agree their is a genetic component but that hasn’t changed, poor information also hasn’t changed, it’s possible that quick dopamine hits in new but it also may just be more obvious now to us. Biggest factor imo is environment has changed significantly so the default is that you are overweight Caloric dense food is the biggest factor here, daily activity also plays a part in our lifestyle, and also tech being an enabler of convenience. This is exacerbated in socially poor environments where a grocery store may not be in walking distance and it may even be unsafe to go for a run. Ultimately you can control behaviors to not be obese (this is harder for some people than others) but it’s easier said than done. We should be tolerant to others and understand that making changes especially at the identity level is difficult. For everyone who is in shape, they are still habits and patterns that we have trouble changing even though we are able to stay in shape, if we all look at other people through that lenses we will be more empathetic. Lastly, it’s strange when the POV is coming from people who make a living off fitness
My counter to that is that it assumes a necessity of movement and lack of access to calorie dense food in the past. But there were very large segments of the population with sedentary jobs or none at all, and plenty of wealth and easy access to exceedingly palatable food. And plenty of them were very soft and weak willed. But obesity wasn't nearly the same kind of problem among the soft leisure class of yesteryear, not remotely
@@atlaspowershruggedI think that’s a valid response, especially on the activity front. My assumption has been that access to highly palatable foods has increased over time but I can agree they were some subsets that had access. If that is the case it may be not giving enough credit to marketing, influence, and general change of standards
We have less free time, less money, more traffic, longer work hours, worse food in the store... ppl are exhausted and poor and sit down and snack or get drunk. The culture sucks. For most people, that is.
Are we structuring society in such a way that it is easy to become obese? Are we encouraging personal reflection and accepting that vices exist or enabling deciet? How are the hormones in our environment and induced in ourselves due to stress playing a role in wanting to consume an excess? Afterall, food is an easy way to lower stress induced by strange modern life
All valid points but then again you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. Food industry should be taxed in a way that discourages selling inedible slop full of corn syrup. If it makes slop more expensive, so be it. Carrot AND stick is required to solve this catastrophe
People today underestimate how many rich lazy soft people have had extremely easy access to tasty food for centuries in the developed world. Some of them got "corpulent" but it was never to remotely the degree that it is now. And these were absolutely not hard, disciplined people. The average obese wallmartian probably works much harder to keep a roof over their head and health insurance
Yeah I'm sure modern life where every American has cars, a fridge filled with food, surrounded by McDonald's from all corners, watching Netflix every moment they're off work is surely more stressful than life from the middle ages; where if you don't get killed by diseases, you get killed in wars, or starvation. Surely that's why they have to constantly eat to reduce stress. All these elements you're mentioning sure exist. But the guy next door who's fit and healthy also live in the same environment as you, with the same culture, pollutants, etc. All these does is dilute the weight of responsibility on the most important factor: yourself. Because by scientifically proving that there's a million factors into this equation, then you remove the focus on yourself.
It’s a simple answer, but not necessarily easy in application. I struggled for years in my younger days to figure out a dietary approach that works for me. I haven’t struggled in a very long time. But if I applied my diet to a client, it may never work - not because it isn’t a great approach, but because it may not be something that my client can adhere to (despite the fact that that I love eating the way that I do). Those who want it most should look to take ideas from those who succeeded and find their own personal approach that they can adhere to. Appreciate the thoughts 💪
In my experience effective dietary tools that ultimately do make it easy don't necessarily make it easy on day 1. They require practice, and they're actually hard at first. And then down the road it becomes relatively easy.
I agree about the comparison to the shell game, and the overall approach you take to what can be considered a sensitive topic, so well done, however I am not sure I agree with this being linked to dietary advice to eat less red meat. First of all my POV comes from a European country, which I think is an important distinction to make since the Mediterranean diet does not generally contain much red meat, however, we are still seeing a rise in obesity, which IMO is why I don't think there is much correlation between red meat intake and obesity. So how do I explain the rise in obesity? Personally I think there are two main factors, firstly, a reduction in physical activity throughout childhood caused by phones, PCs, more affordable cars making it easier to drive everywhere, etc. I know you addressed this point and mentioned how in the 50s there were already office workers, but it was still culturally ingrained in kids to play in the streets and such, I think that is the biggest difference between then and now. Secondly, most people constantly feel like they don't have time to cook, or the money to buy something healthy, so cheap and processed is very convenient. IMO this is the biggest contributor to obesity nowadays - this paper goes into detail about the correlation between obesity and being poor: www.nature.com/articles/s41599-018-0201-x infact in the 90s there was no correlation between income and obesity, and is only seen in more recent years. Anyways, great video and refreshing to see this kind of discussion.
Agreed. It's unfortunately a very American take that Americans with a lack of outside perspective will fall in line with but trends worldwide show the opposite to be true in a painfully obvious way. The points about the political side were right and I think he's wrong off ignorance than malice, don't get me wrong.
Unfortunately, culture is created in and exported from the US. It isn't like any european countries have paleo advocates in charge of their dietary recommendations. Your countries aren't necessarily as messed up as ours in all cases, but you get the same propaganda we do in most cases, just a little later, earlier, or in a different form.
You're underestimating just how sedentary and overconsumptive people have become and overvaluing a steak and eggs diet plan. In terms of sedentariness increasing over time, there's the amount of cars people own and drive increasing to the point where families have each member with a 4 seater of their own. Even with sedentary jobs, people on average in the past walked a lot more and participated in outdoor activities more. With overconsumption, the soda fountain example you gave doesn't pay attention to serving sizes themselves literally doubling over time. Unlimited refills don't really matter if you're not drinking that much. Now a liter cup is easily accessible even if you're getting carryout. And steak and eggs isn't accessible in most second or third world nations yet they've historically not had issues managing weight on high carb diets. It's usually when crap 1st world fast food diets are imported and mass produced that the weight problems begin. Similarly happens in 1st world European nations. Exact same trends also follow in those areas where decreased basic physical activity, getting regular sunlight, and increased junk food quality become standardized.
I laugh all the time when I hear “meat and eggs are satiating”. I went on carnivore for three months. I gained almost 20lbs (not in a good way), lost strength and endurance in every one of my typical workouts. I was overeating myself to death more than I was previously
@UnhumanNewman that's rough. I mean in theory it's supposed to be, cuz protein requires more calories to digest relative to weight n all that but that also depends on the type of meat and how you cook it cuz tastier meats have more fats and you can easily gorge on a lot if you're not careful. Ironically, rice and beans are also high in satiety and is consumed in a large part of the world that didn't have obesity issues till American fast foods got imported, but we don't talk about that. Carbs bad cuz America meat, dairy, and egg obsession.
Good point, I'm from Brazil and our traditional diet has always been healthy, rice, beans, tubers, veggies, fruits, meats, etc. People used to be very fit here, now after the 2000s I just see fat people all around. People are way more sedentary as well. The more we became like the US culturally speaking, the fatter we got.
@oaksaint4458 I'm from Africa so I can fully relate. It's one of the obvious blind spots of Americans when they talk about things that affect humans as a whole. They put a very American centric lens that also only applies from at most 100 years ago, which ends up being hilariously wrong.
Also on the so called trans fat you were talking about is just hydrogenated oil. It is bad due to the often unnatural length of carbon chains. Trans fats occur when there are still double bonds in the carbon chains (saturated means zero double bonds) but instead of the zig zag in the carbon chain going straight, it curves which changes the chemical properties. Hydrogenated bad, trans fat bad
Doctora used to recommend smoking, and then switched to recommend cereals and breakfast being the most important meal of the day, and then they switched to vilify meat and animal products@@atlaspowershrugged
ultra-processed food yes. bread is a processed food, an apple you cut up is technically a processed food. it's only recently that processing has been taken to the point of stripping out nutrients and adding low-quality fats and sugars, and things that aren't really food at all
Damn, I'm actually just about to get off my phone, but I'm gonna check this out pretty soon hopefully. I've yet to see a fitness influencer I like have a completely good take on this topic. Some have been less shitty than others, but they've all left me at least a little disappointed. But this title has me hopeful. Here's to hoping my hopes are met lol
Bro, why did it take me so long to find your channel? Thank you for having a coherent worldview and also being able to create cool fitness content. You did it. You broke the curse.@@atlaspowershrugged
Framing and audience are the largest factors in any debate. Meaning for our lifting culture brains the importance of framing: measuring who is stronger, a power lifter on average will best an Olympic weightlifter if the challenge is a competition bench press with multi ply gear. Audience is obviously people interested in fitness and debating usually attracts people wanting to dunk on people. Most views from debate clips i bet revolves around a 30s moment of verbal assault for the home team audience. So an audience whose primary hobby is fitness has an overall bias and knowledge base that perhaps the overweight side doesn’t. I know there is a Stan Efferding clip out there where he points out in the US, health habits tend to be linked to income. The social circles you hang out with are also a major factor to most people’s outcomes as social animals. Ima stop here but thanks for pointing out context matters, and the right questions weren’t being asked.
The “recommendations” changing doesn’t matter if it’s literally a conspiracy. Just about 0% of Americans meet the guidelines, it’s single digit. They’re incredibly strict.
@@atlaspowershrugged no true American eats oil/sweets sparingly, let alone saturated fats or added sugar. And the percent that eats their many servings of veggies a day is single digit, that’s simply a fact. “People make an effort to follow them” not in America. The average American speaks at an elementary school level, think they can mention their guidelines?
@@atlaspowershrugged People struggle with the guidelines because they’re so used to over consuming calories that maintaining or living in a slight deficit feels like you’re starving yourself
That is the wrong question set up to argue for click bait. However, the food pyramid and the government dietary guidelines that were set up by George McGovern and his staff, was pushed in schools, and is a plant based diet. I remember those days in the 60's. A calorie is a measurement of heat in the science of physics, and has nothing to do with nutrition. People do not want to lose weight, they want to lose fat and maintain or improve muscle mass. There is also no way to out-exercise a bad diet. The calories in, calories out, eat less exercise more diet, is bull spit! Grain is fed to animals to "fatten" them up. In my opinion, the reason we have the Obesity problem is people are addicted to sugar/glucose. 🥩🥚🥓🍗🍖🧀🍶
13:05 I will say not all trans fats are unhealthy. The ones found in dairy and tallow are actually very healthy and anti inflammatory. Obviously I know you know that, but I just thought I'd say it for the sake of nuance.
It's all designed very well to make you have less money in the bank. That's it! Like any good investor you have to find what works for you and your situation. That referenced video is a great investment for folks in the infotaniment sector. Coach is almost as good as the other fit guy at infuriating the ones in the know. Count your calories, buy my book and supplements. Invest in your self and find what works for you. The BS detector for me was so broke as my family fell for the non-sense. My wifes family halfway fell for it. We have to use the term "hippie" after any health advice to the non-believers. It helps smooth over the illuminatty glazes we get when we say something odd. I appreciate you not saying the obvious part out loud.
Hey! Love your videos man. May I ask you what the best back exercise is to build a classic big strong masculine back? Im talking like great grandpa strenght. Something that will make it thick as fuck. And also be strong as fuck? Im lookng for the single best back exercise that is bang for the buck. I love short but intense workouts! I don’t care if its ”odd lifts”. Im open to anything.
Glad you like my videos! Unfortunately I can't give you just one back exercise, the back is just too complicated. The closest thing I could get for you would be something like a Zercher deadlift if you have the mobility for it., but the back is a massive diverse muscle group that really needs to be trained in multiple ways. But from your question a zercher deadlift is probably what you're looking for.
@@atlaspowershrugged First of all, thanks for getting back to me. I spent six months trying out new-age bodybuilding with machines and reached my goals, only to realize that what I truly want is pure strength. While aesthetics are important to me, they are secondary. Getting steroid big seems ridiculous. Instead, I'd like to build a body like the workers from the early 1900s focused mostly on strength. I’m planning to get your books once my finances are in order. Do you sell them in physical form? I haven’t touched compound lifts at all, but I want to start focusing solely on them. How do I know when my nervous system has adapted to the weight so I can add more? I’m also always concerned about my form. Transitioning from machines to compound lifts can be intimidating, especially in a gym like mine where people might look at you weird for doing "strange" lifts. Would you recommend sticking to a 10x3 plan or a 5x5? I’m aiming for the perfect balance of 40% hypertrophy and 60% pure strength. Love your style keep it up! If you grow a thicker mustache, you'll look like an '80s cop, lol.
Murder by injection by eustace Mullins is a pretty good book on the subject. Even tho it’s mainly about medicine a lot of info on the American heart association and diets in there. Great stuff man gotta keep those frogs gay
i take a hard stance on the bullying/shaming side. we need to make people feel horrible about themselves. in the past i was 150lbs overweight for about 10 years. not one person called me fatass or made me feel like shit...opposite, they kept putting more junk food in my face. looking back, i needed some man to step up and bully me about weight. no instead, i kept at it until it started negatively affecting health plus i still have the stretch marks as a reminder and extra skin. i - worked it all off. i changed and put in the hard work to shape up and lose it all...at 40. i did it the old school way diet exercise. took years. the whole genetics thing is a cope and creates a victim mentality giving people a crutch. we have become weak, fat pigs and no kid gloves approach will handle the obesity epidemic. people straight up NEED forced labor camps to get ahold of weight. "freedom" destroyed us.
I would only agree with that for people that we know understand the correct strategies to employ. If we know it isn't a bad advice problem and that it is sheer laziness and refusal to implement, sure. I don't think that's the case for most people though.
i agree with the general gist of this video, but one part i disagree with is that you seem to be ignoring the historical worldwide diet , stuff like oats, rice, potatoes, corn, etc., and instead comparing the modern diet with the 1950s united states diet, when the 1950s united states diet itself was kind of an anomaly that didn't resemble any diet before or since. just look at cookbooks from that time, they had floating pineapple in jello cakes and crazy stuff like that. so if you are going to compare the modern diet to historical diets, the 1950s diet in the united states is a strange choice, as if anything it was even weirder than the modern diet, historically speaking. so basically my disagreement is that you seem to have implied here that grain is some type of corporate money-making scheme, when just objectively, looking at history, whole grains are the basis of agriculture, long before corporations existed. modern flour and pastries are of course abominations, they are basically wheat-flavored meals of sugar and oil, but it just seemed like you were implying that red meat and eggs were what most people ate in the past, which isn't really true, most people ate basic unflavored whole grains with no added sugars or oils to get most of their calories, for most areas throughout most of history (there are going to be some exceptions, like the inuit etc.). considering that historically, such a tiny portion of the world's calories came from steak or eggs, why they are mentioned so often in this video is hard to understand. that said, lots of interesting info in this video, especially about crisco, and it was also a good point that although our genetics weren't different in the past, neither was our discipline any greater in the past, the changes are systematic and in the food supply itself, with only a tiny fraction of the items someone can buy in the typical grocery store actually not leading directly to heart disease. that is what changed over the years, so the answer to whether obesity is a choice can be thought of like this: sure, it's a choice, but it's a choice where 99% of the options you can choose in the grocery store lead to obesity, and in order to avoid it, you have to specifically seek out and only eat the tiny fraction of food products that don't lead to obesity. so it's a choice, but it's a choice in the way that pressing the buttons in the exact way to beat a videogame is a choice, it's a very narrow path that you need skill for.
The video was already half an hour long, I've got to cut it at some point. At the time when grain made up the majority of the poorer classes diet, which it did, what kept them from getting obese was that the people who were eating mostly grain did in fact have a much more active lifestyle, and would have been mostly engaging in manual labor, so obesity wouldn't be likely. And they didn't have access to a lot of highly palatable foods which would have been a luxury. And in many cases they would have had difficulty even affording food at all, so obesity would simply not have been a concern. The upper classes at that time were often sedentary and could afford highly palatable treats, but they also had plenty of access to meat, so it kind of balanced out. The leisure class did get obese to a certain extent sometimes, but not nearly to the degree that we see today. That's why the 1950's america is a better point of comparison to the modern era. Most most everyone could afford food, including meat, relatively few people had to work extremely physically demanding jobs, and many had entirely sedentary jobs, and palatable treats were relatively abundant. And yet obesity did not become a problem. No one said grains themselves were the problem. What I said was the problem was the demonization of animal foods. And that's what changed from the 50s to now. That doesn't mean everyone in the past was eating tons of meat, but typically the people who couldn't eat much meat in the past weren't at risk for obesity for other reasons.
Yea cause no one recommends low carb diets to fat people. No one is every told sugar is bad for you. I think there’s a clear difference in the availability of hyper palatable foods from the 50s (occasional treat at the soda fountain). Vs now where delicious high fat high carb treats are cheap and available at every street corner.
Low carb diets are bad high fat diets are linked to worse health outcomes and too much protein might not be good either because the more amino acids you consume the higher IGF1 goes up which is why plant protein is generally better than animal you’ll get enough amino acids but much less total. I’m not telling people to eat only 80 grams of protein but if you only need 130-100 but you’re consuming 200+ is what I’m getting at. I’m gonna assume by low carb you really just mean eating more protein
Hyperpalatable? That's not quite the issue. Eating chips, soda and fast food isn't particularly more palatable than a nice steak or salmon dinner, but a diet consisting of the former is far more likely to get you obese than the latter. The issue is a matter of satiety and availability. Not only is unhealthy processed food generally much more convenient/available, but you can eat a whole lot more calories of it without getting full. Delicious healthy whole food is just as much as palatable if not more than the junk foods getting everyone fat. The difference is that they are nutrient dense and tend to make you full faster than the empty calories that are so common and readily available. Palatability is important for adherence, but satiety is the main factor when it comes to how many calories you end up consuming.
@@CaptChilly Nah processed junk is made to be tastier and addicting I’m pretty sure if you ask most people what they’d eat more of if donuts cake etc was healthy and filled with nutrients vs whole foods most are picking the junk. If you consume enough protein and maybe some carbs from whole foods for fuel most people wish they could eat a bunch of junk afterwards. Look at Sam Sulek lmao
@@KurokamiNajimi Addicting, sure. But not tastier. Your gut craves garbage if you're constantly feeding the gut bacteria that makes garbage. But you can't tell me a hot dog is tastier than a nice steak. You ask most people what they'd rather eat and it'd be the steak. But you challenge people to eat as much as you can of either, and you can consume far more calories in hotdogs before getting full than calories in steak.
@CaptChilly palatability isn't really about taste, it's about enjoyment relative to effort to acquire and consume. Junk foods are exactly that, incredibly easy to acquire and even easier to down. Steak tastes better, but it takes more effort to acquire and prep and doesn't go down fast. Yes, your gut craves junk when you feed it junk, that's exactly why junk foods are made with high palatability in mind.
The evidence is clear from my former fat ass and what i ate. I didn't need a study to say sugar makes you fat. But oh boy seed oil was keeping me there once i cut all of the sugar out. I scratched my head for years and bent over and said i must not be trying hard enough. Then tried some more, exercising and more head scratching. The bottle of corn oil says heart healthy. My BP was still very high for 15 years. This bag of potato chips taste so good. Ass hats that say in moderation. Some have never been metabolically broken. It's a come to jesus moment. When youtube reveals the truth and how to fix your self. Not eat less move more
@@KurokamiNajimi You'd like to think that can be true. It can. But other times you will just slow your metabolism and not loose weight. I had to do long fasts and keep the calories the same or even up them. Or you just slow down more. It's not a simple equation for long term weight loss.
Could u make an video for normies, a condensed form of these examples of corruption in these industries? Topics that would change a mask wearing persons mind.
I'm increasingly sympathetic to the environmental contamination hypothesis. Sure there's a personal element or course and you can of course control your weight but people in the past didn't have to think about it nearly as much as we do. And all the data we have available shows that people in the past didn't eat that much less than we do or move that much more as a general rule. The whole thing just isn't well explained by "the great sitting down" or whatever. But if there is something in our environment that screws up our bodies mechanisms and makes us generally hungrier it would explain it and also explain why obesity is so tied to industrialism and modernity.
So why is no one who does paleo, animal based, fasting, carnivore or anything antagonistic to the mainstream complaining about how fat loss is "unrealistic?" We're all in the same environment. But its only the registered dietiticans talking about fat loss being unrealistic.
@@atlaspowershrugged well, I’d hazard a couple of possible explanations. 1st- The contaminant or contaminants is food born and those particular ways of eating limit exposure (if seed oils are the culprit for example). 2nd- all those ways of eating are very conscious and most people on them are diligent about what they eat and their health. This is one of the mysteries of the obesity epidemic, for all of human history until about 1980 people largely maintained a healthy weight without giving it much thought at all. It’s almost like people have natural mechanisms that keep them a healthy weight that have been screwed up. I encourage you to read “slimemoldtimemold” and their series of obesity called “A Chemical Hunger” I don’t entirely agree with them but they make a very compelling case for environmental contamination.
@@atlaspowershrugged Because those people are hyper focused on nutritional health and in turn more than likely to also be involved in some sort of gym program. That’s a very small percentage of people. Anecdotally, the overwhelming majority of people I know have no desire to step into a gym or workout.
Fat people are fat because the dont eat red meat and eggs? Isnt burgers and eggs for breakfast american national diet? Also saying "processed food was there in the past and people were also inactive" and then defining "past" as 1950? Give me a break...
The part where it's a choice or not is rrelevant. What matters is your answer. If you say that Obesity is not a choice, and that fate made you obese, then that's it, It's not your fault. If you say that Obesity is a choice, then that means you have to choice to unobese yourself as well, and so you can begin that journey. Just commenting, haven't watched yet as I'm about to sleep.
the part is relevant, as it can give people hope and strength. people can choose to be fat, but they can also choose to be at a healthy weight. people wanna believe its genetics just so they can avoid the pain of letting go the comfort of food. genetics can matter, but they are an exception, and exceptions are not the rule. whether you gain fat easier or harder, you can still lose weight
This video articulates the exact point I keep trying to drive home with people on both "sides" of this debate. A hundred years ago, people were a lot leaner, but it's not like the average person was more health conscious back then. Fitness minded folk have always been im the minority, so both back then and today, most people just existed and happened to be what weight they are. Thanks to the food industry, the food environment has become a lot more hostile such that today it has become an increasing necessity to be health conscious, whereas previously more people could have taken being a healthy weight for granted. Poor personal agency is not the reason for the population's skyrocketed obesity rate, but agency + proper knowledge is the way out of obesity for people today who are victims of the processed seed oil garbage that's everywhere today.
Proper information is key because a lot of people are stuck in obesity despite "trying everything" and "doing everything right" (they went from eating indulgent snacks and fast food to vegan/plant based health snacks and protein versions of normal food, aka they went from hyperprocessed nutrient deficient garbage to hyperprocessed nutrient deficient garbage that is also unappetizing)
Back in the day people worked more physical jobs, and even the things they did in their "free" time for more strenuous because they lacked technology.
There was no taking the taxi instead of walking, there was scything instead of using a lawn mover, chopping wood instead of just paying for gas heating, etc.
This is also a big factor.
That led them to being in much better shape and health than most people.
Even today, people in rural areas who chop their own wood or scythe their own grass are almost always in great physical shape, and live to a very old age even though they do a lot of other unhealthy things (like drinking a lot, smoking cigarrettes, etc.)
Turns out the only thing the average person needs to do is is eat "natural" foods (aka foods that aren't super processed, ideally that you or someone you know has hunted/harvested/grown), and take decent care of their health.
But how can companies make money out of that?
@@weakest_serb This is also true. People on average are a lot more sedentary these days. I do think the major portion of the weight issue is diet though, and you can't outwork a bad diet. There are plenty of people today who are quite physically active and not lying about it, and yet are still obese because of their unhealthy diet. Tons of manual laborers like construction workers today are obese for instance.
@@CaptChilly Yep, I also agree that it is mostly diet, but this was worth mentioning too.
What does seed oil have to do with anything? Seed oils aren’t addictive and there’s only a small amount of it added to products as a preservative. Sure in total that adds up as extra calories but that theoretical small surplus is obviously not the difference between the average person going from 15% body fat to 25%+. It’s simple modern foods are more addictive than the past evident by the results
Chemicals in the water turning the friggin' frogs gay!
Classic Alex Jones
@@anonymousman4419 People meme it, but it turned out to be actually true
@@tomjaap2933 Really? How the fυςκ is that true?
@@anonymousman4419 I'm pretty sure I read about something like this involving actual frogs.
@@atlaspowershrugged I might have to look into it and confirm.
Smoking darts probably contributed to less obesity in the 50s as well
Interesting perspective and agree the debate is setup to take sides.
I’ve been thinking through it and have landed on the following as someone who has been overweight in the past.
I agree their is a genetic component but that hasn’t changed, poor information also hasn’t changed, it’s possible that quick dopamine hits in new but it also may just be more obvious now to us.
Biggest factor imo is environment has changed significantly so the default is that you are overweight
Caloric dense food is the biggest factor here, daily activity also plays a part in our lifestyle, and also tech being an enabler of convenience. This is exacerbated in socially poor environments where a grocery store may not be in walking distance and it may even be unsafe to go for a run.
Ultimately you can control behaviors to not be obese (this is harder for some people than others) but it’s easier said than done.
We should be tolerant to others and understand that making changes especially at the identity level is difficult.
For everyone who is in shape, they are still habits and patterns that we have trouble changing even though we are able to stay in shape, if we all look at other people through that lenses we will be more empathetic.
Lastly, it’s strange when the POV is coming from people who make a living off fitness
My counter to that is that it assumes a necessity of movement and lack of access to calorie dense food in the past. But there were very large segments of the population with sedentary jobs or none at all, and plenty of wealth and easy access to exceedingly palatable food. And plenty of them were very soft and weak willed. But obesity wasn't nearly the same kind of problem among the soft leisure class of yesteryear, not remotely
@@atlaspowershruggedI think that’s a valid response, especially on the activity front. My assumption has been that access to highly palatable foods has increased over time but I can agree they were some subsets that had access. If that is the case it may be not giving enough credit to marketing, influence, and general change of standards
the audio is really good in this video. all your other videos are pretty hard to hear, not just the coach greg video
Just making an audio and adding it to a video is a lot easier.
@@atlaspowershrugged its worth the effort if its gonna make the video quality better
We have less free time, less money, more traffic, longer work hours, worse food in the store... ppl are exhausted and poor and sit down and snack or get drunk. The culture sucks. For most people, that is.
Audio sync is funky lol
Are we structuring society in such a way that it is easy to become obese? Are we encouraging personal reflection and accepting that vices exist or enabling deciet? How are the hormones in our environment and induced in ourselves due to stress playing a role in wanting to consume an excess? Afterall, food is an easy way to lower stress induced by strange modern life
All valid points but then again you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. Food industry should be taxed in a way that discourages selling inedible slop full of corn syrup. If it makes slop more expensive, so be it. Carrot AND stick is required to solve this catastrophe
People today underestimate how many rich lazy soft people have had extremely easy access to tasty food for centuries in the developed world. Some of them got "corpulent" but it was never to remotely the degree that it is now. And these were absolutely not hard, disciplined people. The average obese wallmartian probably works much harder to keep a roof over their head and health insurance
Yeah I'm sure modern life where every American has cars, a fridge filled with food, surrounded by McDonald's from all corners, watching Netflix every moment they're off work is surely more stressful than life from the middle ages; where if you don't get killed by diseases, you get killed in wars, or starvation. Surely that's why they have to constantly eat to reduce stress. All these elements you're mentioning sure exist. But the guy next door who's fit and healthy also live in the same environment as you, with the same culture, pollutants, etc. All these does is dilute the weight of responsibility on the most important factor: yourself. Because by scientifically proving that there's a million factors into this equation, then you remove the focus on yourself.
It’s a simple answer, but not necessarily easy in application. I struggled for years in my younger days to figure out a dietary approach that works for me. I haven’t struggled in a very long time. But if I applied my diet to a client, it may never work - not because it isn’t a great approach, but because it may not be something that my client can adhere to (despite the fact that that I love eating the way that I do). Those who want it most should look to take ideas from those who succeeded and find their own personal approach that they can adhere to. Appreciate the thoughts 💪
In my experience effective dietary tools that ultimately do make it easy don't necessarily make it easy on day 1. They require practice, and they're actually hard at first. And then down the road it becomes relatively easy.
@@atlaspowershrugged great point! That goes for the exercise as well as the dieting side of things for sure 👍
I agree about the comparison to the shell game, and the overall approach you take to what can be considered a sensitive topic, so well done, however I am not sure I agree with this being linked to dietary advice to eat less red meat. First of all my POV comes from a European country, which I think is an important distinction to make since the Mediterranean diet does not generally contain much red meat, however, we are still seeing a rise in obesity, which IMO is why I don't think there is much correlation between red meat intake and obesity. So how do I explain the rise in obesity?
Personally I think there are two main factors, firstly, a reduction in physical activity throughout childhood caused by phones, PCs, more affordable cars making it easier to drive everywhere, etc. I know you addressed this point and mentioned how in the 50s there were already office workers, but it was still culturally ingrained in kids to play in the streets and such, I think that is the biggest difference between then and now.
Secondly, most people constantly feel like they don't have time to cook, or the money to buy something healthy, so cheap and processed is very convenient. IMO this is the biggest contributor to obesity nowadays - this paper goes into detail about the correlation between obesity and being poor: www.nature.com/articles/s41599-018-0201-x infact in the 90s there was no correlation between income and obesity, and is only seen in more recent years.
Anyways, great video and refreshing to see this kind of discussion.
Agreed. It's unfortunately a very American take that Americans with a lack of outside perspective will fall in line with but trends worldwide show the opposite to be true in a painfully obvious way. The points about the political side were right and I think he's wrong off ignorance than malice, don't get me wrong.
Unfortunately, culture is created in and exported from the US. It isn't like any european countries have paleo advocates in charge of their dietary recommendations. Your countries aren't necessarily as messed up as ours in all cases, but you get the same propaganda we do in most cases, just a little later, earlier, or in a different form.
You're underestimating just how sedentary and overconsumptive people have become and overvaluing a steak and eggs diet plan.
In terms of sedentariness increasing over time, there's the amount of cars people own and drive increasing to the point where families have each member with a 4 seater of their own. Even with sedentary jobs, people on average in the past walked a lot more and participated in outdoor activities more.
With overconsumption, the soda fountain example you gave doesn't pay attention to serving sizes themselves literally doubling over time. Unlimited refills don't really matter if you're not drinking that much. Now a liter cup is easily accessible even if you're getting carryout.
And steak and eggs isn't accessible in most second or third world nations yet they've historically not had issues managing weight on high carb diets. It's usually when crap 1st world fast food diets are imported and mass produced that the weight problems begin. Similarly happens in 1st world European nations. Exact same trends also follow in those areas where decreased basic physical activity, getting regular sunlight, and increased junk food quality become standardized.
I laugh all the time when I hear “meat and eggs are satiating”. I went on carnivore for three months. I gained almost 20lbs (not in a good way), lost strength and endurance in every one of my typical workouts. I was overeating myself to death more than I was previously
@UnhumanNewman that's rough. I mean in theory it's supposed to be, cuz protein requires more calories to digest relative to weight n all that but that also depends on the type of meat and how you cook it cuz tastier meats have more fats and you can easily gorge on a lot if you're not careful.
Ironically, rice and beans are also high in satiety and is consumed in a large part of the world that didn't have obesity issues till American fast foods got imported, but we don't talk about that. Carbs bad cuz America meat, dairy, and egg obsession.
Good point, I'm from Brazil and our traditional diet has always been healthy, rice, beans, tubers, veggies, fruits, meats, etc. People used to be very fit here, now after the 2000s I just see fat people all around. People are way more sedentary as well.
The more we became like the US culturally speaking, the fatter we got.
@oaksaint4458 I'm from Africa so I can fully relate. It's one of the obvious blind spots of Americans when they talk about things that affect humans as a whole. They put a very American centric lens that also only applies from at most 100 years ago, which ends up being hilariously wrong.
Also on the so called trans fat you were talking about is just hydrogenated oil. It is bad due to the often unnatural length of carbon chains. Trans fats occur when there are still double bonds in the carbon chains (saturated means zero double bonds) but instead of the zig zag in the carbon chain going straight, it curves which changes the chemical properties. Hydrogenated bad, trans fat bad
Cool, I'm not a biochemist, but we're agreed that crisco bad? And probably shouldn't be promoted by the "American Heart Association?"
Yes! I was just pointing it out so you don't get called out or something in the future because the essence of what you are saying is right.
@@evankalis fair 👊
Processed food happened in the last 100 years.
That by itself wouldn't be the end of the world. But the bad medical advice used to sell it?
Doctora used to recommend smoking, and then switched to recommend cereals and breakfast being the most important meal of the day, and then they switched to vilify meat and animal products@@atlaspowershrugged
ultra-processed food yes. bread is a processed food, an apple you cut up is technically a processed food. it's only recently that processing has been taken to the point of stripping out nutrients and adding low-quality fats and sugars, and things that aren't really food at all
Salt pork, stockist. But the new frankenfoods, yikes!
@@atlaspowershrugged yes I should of said hardly anyone eating natural whole foods.
The skinny guy's online alias is 'mirin gains' (Myron Gaines) btw lol
Mirin from afar it would seem
"Big Fitness" is coming for you!
Damn, I'm actually just about to get off my phone, but I'm gonna check this out pretty soon hopefully. I've yet to see a fitness influencer I like have a completely good take on this topic. Some have been less shitty than others, but they've all left me at least a little disappointed. But this title has me hopeful. Here's to hoping my hopes are met lol
First time for everything
Bro, why did it take me so long to find your channel? Thank you for having a coherent worldview and also being able to create cool fitness content. You did it. You broke the curse.@@atlaspowershrugged
Framing and audience are the largest factors in any debate. Meaning for our lifting culture brains the importance of framing: measuring who is stronger, a power lifter on average will best an Olympic weightlifter if the challenge is a competition bench press with multi ply gear.
Audience is obviously people interested in fitness and debating usually attracts people wanting to dunk on people. Most views from debate clips i bet revolves around a 30s moment of verbal assault for the home team audience. So an audience whose primary hobby is fitness has an overall bias and knowledge base that perhaps the overweight side doesn’t.
I know there is a Stan Efferding clip out there where he points out in the US, health habits tend to be linked to income.
The social circles you hang out with are also a major factor to most people’s outcomes as social animals.
Ima stop here but thanks for pointing out context matters, and the right questions weren’t being asked.
The “recommendations” changing doesn’t matter if it’s literally a conspiracy. Just about 0% of Americans meet the guidelines, it’s single digit. They’re incredibly strict.
Nonsense. People make an effort to follow them. And then when they fail they get blackpilled and think fitness is impossible.
@@atlaspowershrugged no true American eats oil/sweets sparingly, let alone saturated fats or added sugar.
And the percent that eats their many servings of veggies a day is single digit, that’s simply a fact. “People make an effort to follow them” not in America.
The average American speaks at an elementary school level, think they can mention their guidelines?
@@atlaspowershrugged People struggle with the guidelines because they’re so used to over consuming calories that maintaining or living in a slight deficit feels like you’re starving yourself
Listening now. I'm interested in your take.
You earned a like thanks to Dante's hell joke and how people who give bad advice are close to Satan lol
That is the wrong question set up to argue for click bait. However, the food pyramid and the government dietary guidelines that were set up by George McGovern and his staff, was pushed in schools, and is a plant based diet. I remember those days in the 60's.
A calorie is a measurement of heat in the science of physics, and has nothing to do with nutrition. People do not want to lose weight, they want to lose fat and maintain or improve muscle mass.
There is also no way to out-exercise a bad diet. The calories in, calories out, eat less exercise more diet, is bull spit!
Grain is fed to animals to "fatten" them up.
In my opinion, the reason we have the Obesity problem is people are addicted to sugar/glucose. 🥩🥚🥓🍗🍖🧀🍶
13:05 I will say not all trans fats are unhealthy. The ones found in dairy and tallow are actually very healthy and anti inflammatory. Obviously I know you know that, but I just thought I'd say it for the sake of nuance.
I wasn't talking about cla, but you are technically correct.
Atlas the third positionist 😈.
Nothing wrong with having more options.
It's all designed very well to make you have less money in the bank. That's it! Like any good investor you have to find what works for you and your situation. That referenced video is a great investment for folks in the infotaniment sector. Coach is almost as good as the other fit guy at infuriating the ones in the know. Count your calories, buy my book and supplements. Invest in your self and find what works for you. The BS detector for me was so broke as my family fell for the non-sense. My wifes family halfway fell for it. We have to use the term "hippie" after any health advice to the non-believers. It helps smooth over the illuminatty glazes we get when we say something odd. I appreciate you not saying the obvious part out loud.
Hey! Love your videos man. May I ask you what the best back exercise is to build a classic big strong masculine back? Im talking like great grandpa strenght. Something that will make it thick as fuck. And also be strong as fuck? Im lookng for the single best back exercise that is bang for the buck. I love short but intense workouts! I don’t care if its ”odd lifts”. Im open to anything.
Glad you like my videos! Unfortunately I can't give you just one back exercise, the back is just too complicated. The closest thing I could get for you would be something like a Zercher deadlift if you have the mobility for it., but the back is a massive diverse muscle group that really needs to be trained in multiple ways. But from your question a zercher deadlift is probably what you're looking for.
@@atlaspowershrugged First of all, thanks for getting back to me. I spent six months trying out new-age bodybuilding with machines and reached my goals, only to realize that what I truly want is pure strength. While aesthetics are important to me, they are secondary. Getting steroid big seems ridiculous. Instead, I'd like to build a body like the workers from the early 1900s focused mostly on strength.
I’m planning to get your books once my finances are in order. Do you sell them in physical form? I haven’t touched compound lifts at all, but I want to start focusing solely on them. How do I know when my nervous system has adapted to the weight so I can add more? I’m also always concerned about my form. Transitioning from machines to compound lifts can be intimidating, especially in a gym like mine where people might look at you weird for doing "strange" lifts.
Would you recommend sticking to a 10x3 plan or a 5x5? I’m aiming for the perfect balance of 40% hypertrophy and 60% pure strength.
Love your style keep it up! If you grow a thicker mustache, you'll look like an '80s cop, lol.
Murder by injection by eustace Mullins is a pretty good book on the subject. Even tho it’s mainly about medicine a lot of info on the American heart association and diets in there. Great stuff man gotta keep those frogs gay
savage thumbnail 😆
i take a hard stance on the bullying/shaming side. we need to make people feel horrible about themselves. in the past i was 150lbs overweight for about 10 years. not one person called me fatass or made me feel like shit...opposite, they kept putting more junk food in my face. looking back, i needed some man to step up and bully me about weight. no instead, i kept at it until it started negatively affecting health plus i still have the stretch marks as a reminder and extra skin. i - worked it all off. i changed and put in the hard work to shape up and lose it all...at 40. i did it the old school way diet exercise. took years.
the whole genetics thing is a cope and creates a victim mentality giving people a crutch.
we have become weak, fat pigs and no kid gloves approach will handle the obesity epidemic. people straight up NEED forced labor camps to get ahold of weight. "freedom" destroyed us.
I would only agree with that for people that we know understand the correct strategies to employ. If we know it isn't a bad advice problem and that it is sheer laziness and refusal to implement, sure. I don't think that's the case for most people though.
i agree with the general gist of this video, but one part i disagree with is that you seem to be ignoring the historical worldwide diet , stuff like oats, rice, potatoes, corn, etc., and instead comparing the modern diet with the 1950s united states diet, when the 1950s united states diet itself was kind of an anomaly that didn't resemble any diet before or since. just look at cookbooks from that time, they had floating pineapple in jello cakes and crazy stuff like that. so if you are going to compare the modern diet to historical diets, the 1950s diet in the united states is a strange choice, as if anything it was even weirder than the modern diet, historically speaking.
so basically my disagreement is that you seem to have implied here that grain is some type of corporate money-making scheme, when just objectively, looking at history, whole grains are the basis of agriculture, long before corporations existed. modern flour and pastries are of course abominations, they are basically wheat-flavored meals of sugar and oil, but it just seemed like you were implying that red meat and eggs were what most people ate in the past, which isn't really true, most people ate basic unflavored whole grains with no added sugars or oils to get most of their calories, for most areas throughout most of history (there are going to be some exceptions, like the inuit etc.). considering that historically, such a tiny portion of the world's calories came from steak or eggs, why they are mentioned so often in this video is hard to understand.
that said, lots of interesting info in this video, especially about crisco, and it was also a good point that although our genetics weren't different in the past, neither was our discipline any greater in the past, the changes are systematic and in the food supply itself, with only a tiny fraction of the items someone can buy in the typical grocery store actually not leading directly to heart disease. that is what changed over the years, so the answer to whether obesity is a choice can be thought of like this: sure, it's a choice, but it's a choice where 99% of the options you can choose in the grocery store lead to obesity, and in order to avoid it, you have to specifically seek out and only eat the tiny fraction of food products that don't lead to obesity. so it's a choice, but it's a choice in the way that pressing the buttons in the exact way to beat a videogame is a choice, it's a very narrow path that you need skill for.
The video was already half an hour long, I've got to cut it at some point. At the time when grain made up the majority of the poorer classes diet, which it did, what kept them from getting obese was that the people who were eating mostly grain did in fact have a much more active lifestyle, and would have been mostly engaging in manual labor, so obesity wouldn't be likely. And they didn't have access to a lot of highly palatable foods which would have been a luxury. And in many cases they would have had difficulty even affording food at all, so obesity would simply not have been a concern. The upper classes at that time were often sedentary and could afford highly palatable treats, but they also had plenty of access to meat, so it kind of balanced out. The leisure class did get obese to a certain extent sometimes, but not nearly to the degree that we see today.
That's why the 1950's america is a better point of comparison to the modern era. Most most everyone could afford food, including meat, relatively few people had to work extremely physically demanding jobs, and many had entirely sedentary jobs, and palatable treats were relatively abundant. And yet obesity did not become a problem. No one said grains themselves were the problem. What I said was the problem was the demonization of animal foods. And that's what changed from the 50s to now. That doesn't mean everyone in the past was eating tons of meat, but typically the people who couldn't eat much meat in the past weren't at risk for obesity for other reasons.
I pound saturated fat every night ;) and salt. Keeps you regular
Yea cause no one recommends low carb diets to fat people. No one is every told sugar is bad for you.
I think there’s a clear difference in the availability of hyper palatable foods from the 50s (occasional treat at the soda fountain). Vs now where delicious high fat high carb treats are cheap and available at every street corner.
Low carb diets are bad high fat diets are linked to worse health outcomes and too much protein might not be good either because the more amino acids you consume the higher IGF1 goes up which is why plant protein is generally better than animal you’ll get enough amino acids but much less total. I’m not telling people to eat only 80 grams of protein but if you only need 130-100 but you’re consuming 200+ is what I’m getting at. I’m gonna assume by low carb you really just mean eating more protein
Hyperpalatable? That's not quite the issue. Eating chips, soda and fast food isn't particularly more palatable than a nice steak or salmon dinner, but a diet consisting of the former is far more likely to get you obese than the latter. The issue is a matter of satiety and availability. Not only is unhealthy processed food generally much more convenient/available, but you can eat a whole lot more calories of it without getting full. Delicious healthy whole food is just as much as palatable if not more than the junk foods getting everyone fat. The difference is that they are nutrient dense and tend to make you full faster than the empty calories that are so common and readily available. Palatability is important for adherence, but satiety is the main factor when it comes to how many calories you end up consuming.
@@CaptChilly Nah processed junk is made to be tastier and addicting I’m pretty sure if you ask most people what they’d eat more of if donuts cake etc was healthy and filled with nutrients vs whole foods most are picking the junk. If you consume enough protein and maybe some carbs from whole foods for fuel most people wish they could eat a bunch of junk afterwards. Look at Sam Sulek lmao
@@KurokamiNajimi Addicting, sure. But not tastier. Your gut craves garbage if you're constantly feeding the gut bacteria that makes garbage. But you can't tell me a hot dog is tastier than a nice steak. You ask most people what they'd rather eat and it'd be the steak. But you challenge people to eat as much as you can of either, and you can consume far more calories in hotdogs before getting full than calories in steak.
@CaptChilly palatability isn't really about taste, it's about enjoyment relative to effort to acquire and consume. Junk foods are exactly that, incredibly easy to acquire and even easier to down. Steak tastes better, but it takes more effort to acquire and prep and doesn't go down fast. Yes, your gut craves junk when you feed it junk, that's exactly why junk foods are made with high palatability in mind.
The evidence is clear from my former fat ass and what i ate. I didn't need a study to say sugar makes you fat. But oh boy seed oil was keeping me there once i cut all of the sugar out. I scratched my head for years and bent over and said i must not be trying hard enough. Then tried some more, exercising and more head scratching. The bottle of corn oil says heart healthy. My BP was still very high for 15 years. This bag of potato chips taste so good. Ass hats that say in moderation. Some have never been metabolically broken. It's a come to jesus moment. When youtube reveals the truth and how to fix your self. Not eat less move more
You didn’t lose weight because you weren’t in a calorie deficit
@@KurokamiNajimi You'd like to think that can be true. It can. But other times you will just slow your metabolism and not loose weight. I had to do long fasts and keep the calories the same or even up them. Or you just slow down more. It's not a simple equation for long term weight loss.
Oh wow. What an insight! You're a genius, why didn't anyone think of that???
Could u make an video for normies, a condensed form of these examples of corruption in these industries? Topics that would change a mask wearing persons mind.
Brevity is not my strong suit
I'm increasingly sympathetic to the environmental contamination hypothesis. Sure there's a personal element or course and you can of course control your weight but people in the past didn't have to think about it nearly as much as we do. And all the data we have available shows that people in the past didn't eat that much less than we do or move that much more as a general rule. The whole thing just isn't well explained by "the great sitting down" or whatever. But if there is something in our environment that screws up our bodies mechanisms and makes us generally hungrier it would explain it and also explain why obesity is so tied to industrialism and modernity.
There’s a blog series from SlimemoldTimemold that makes a very compelling case for this if anything is interested in looking it up.
So why is no one who does paleo, animal based, fasting, carnivore or anything antagonistic to the mainstream complaining about how fat loss is "unrealistic?" We're all in the same environment. But its only the registered dietiticans talking about fat loss being unrealistic.
@@atlaspowershrugged well, I’d hazard a couple of possible explanations.
1st- The contaminant or contaminants is food born and those particular ways of eating limit exposure (if seed oils are the culprit for example).
2nd- all those ways of eating are very conscious and most people on them are diligent about what they eat and their health. This is one of the mysteries of the obesity epidemic, for all of human history until about 1980 people largely maintained a healthy weight without giving it much thought at all. It’s almost like people have natural mechanisms that keep them a healthy weight that have been screwed up.
I encourage you to read “slimemoldtimemold” and their series of obesity called “A Chemical Hunger” I don’t entirely agree with them but they make a very compelling case for environmental contamination.
@@atlaspowershrugged Because those people are hyper focused on nutritional health and in turn more than likely to also be involved in some sort of gym program. That’s a very small percentage of people. Anecdotally, the overwhelming majority of people I know have no desire to step into a gym or workout.
Fat people are fat because the dont eat red meat and eggs? Isnt burgers and eggs for breakfast american national diet?
Also saying "processed food was there in the past and people were also inactive" and then defining "past" as 1950? Give me a break...
No. Americans eat cereal.
The part where it's a choice or not is rrelevant. What matters is your answer. If you say that Obesity is not a choice, and that fate made you obese, then that's it, It's not your fault. If you say that Obesity is a choice, then that means you have to choice to unobese yourself as well, and so you can begin that journey.
Just commenting, haven't watched yet as I'm about to sleep.
I could tell you hadn't watched yet.
@@atlaspowershrugged I haven't yet lol. Just dropping initial thoughts
the part is relevant, as it can give people hope and strength. people can choose to be fat, but they can also choose to be at a healthy weight. people wanna believe its genetics just so they can avoid the pain of letting go the comfort of food. genetics can matter, but they are an exception, and exceptions are not the rule. whether you gain fat easier or harder, you can still lose weight
Debates are gay should be stepped over. A complete waste of time for you all to even cover it.