After hearing it was good, I immediately went to MTGGoldfish to check and yeah, Multiverse has less standard decks than Duelist, which was listed as not good. So I'd say MBT deserves a point from one of those 2, either Multiverse is bad or Duelist is good.
The card itself is pretty good, its just that the deck that usually plays it (simic ramp) has the issue of being a green deck in current standard, so its unplayable.
@@muditjohar5323 it’s played in competitive decks so I’d say that makes it good. Of course whether something is good or not is a little subjective regardless.
Loved this one, MBT is always welcome! The tourney idea sounds like a lot of fun! If you need more people, maybe have MTG players but with restrictions or premade mediocre decks to level the playing field
I think to avoid arguments with the comments it might be worth using the formula that Nizzahon uses as a baseline for good and bad cards of top 8 finishes keeps it off the worst list.
its so entertaining to see people who have a past in magic evaluate new cards. would be happy to see mbt back for more. also a yugi-tuber magic tournament sounds awesome. hell, maybe even have them play commander ^^
2 of my favoeire YGO related creators. Perfect. You're the only person I see consistently doing the "x card game player rates cards from z card game," and I love that format. MBT is just funny.
I have a jank Temur list in Standard that uses Chrome Host Seedshark alongside All Will Be One, then just play a bunch of the battle cards to burn out the opponent. Affectionately called “Battle Frontier” Duelist of the Mind is one of those cards that I think will get better after rotation, since getting a counter or two on it in the Dimir Midrange lists does give you a very annoying flying vigilance body.
MBT really should have gotten 3 out of 5 for score. The site he uses at the end shows that Duelist has way more top 8s than One With the Multiverse, so Duelist should have been "Good" and One should have been "Bad", since One is, at best, a niche deck
The reason I gave for Duelist not being good still stands though, as people tried it in the esper deck and even did well, but cut it right after in favor of other 2 mana threats.
Agree. One With the Multiverse is definitely not a good card. It's only used in certain reanimator decks which are currently rather rare to begin with. The earliest I've seen it drop was turn 4 with Reenact the Crime. One With the Multiverse turn 3 through Squirming Emergence was (pre rotation) only possible with 3x Otherworldly Gaze and hitting 8 permanents out of the 9 surveiled cards.
@@TheOneJameYT That's weird. I've reached mythic the other day in BO1and through my whole grind I've only seen 1-2 decks that utilized it with the breech combo line. I can't imagine it being a good deck in BO1 vs all the aggro. Maybe in BO3 where graveyard hate isn't as prevalent anymore. There used to be a cool 'gotcha' reanimator deck in BO1 with Rakdos Joins Up and Hulking Metamorph but I haven't seen it once since the rotation.
The guest is mis-remembering Jace, Vryn’s Prodigy. During spoiler season, everyone thought JVP was going to be bad, but it ended up in basically every deck and was one of the most expensive cards in standard ever at $80.
Aether Channeler was vaguely playable in a soulherder deck in modern before LotR, and also in bant coco spirits in pioneer some time last year. But in standard, with no good blink, no 1 mana ramp, no coco, it was dead on arrival. And it's outpowered in other formats, too, by now.
I also think it's one of those situations where for each of the three modes there is just some other card that accomplishes each one better (or cheaper) and decks will just figure out which of the modes they need the most and pick one of the better options for accomplishing that. Plenty of creatures can draw on entering, plenty of creatures can create a token on entering, and plenty of creatures can grant some sort of tempo on entering so unless your deck really wants all three of those things for some reason you may as well pick one of the more specialized cards.
men, as a mtg player that started to play two years ago and a master duel player that also started two years ago, its feels so bad hear about so many interesting decks and formats that i will never got to try
Here’s an idea, if you want to mix MTG and Yugioh content creators: A “mixed draft”, where you draft Magic and Yugioh cards in the same pack, with the goal of making two decks. The gimmick is that Magic creators have the advantage in determining which Magic cards are good picks, likewise for Yugioh. My only concern is that this is inherently a pretty long episode. You’d need to go best 2 out of 3 at least (1 Yugioh game, 1 Magic game, and 1 determined by coin flip?) which means that each game would run pretty long, not to mention how long the draft would be. Ehh, probably a “fun to play, too long to watch” kind of idea, but I wanted to throw it out there. Another concept for a long form series would be where every Yugioh win benefits your Magic deck, while every Magic win benefits your Yugioh deck. You’d end up in funny situations where people good at Yugioh but bad at Magic start being hard carried by the power nine and vice versa. It’s always fun watching someone with good skill and bad cards dueling someone with good cards and low skill … Plansewalkers duel each other, don’t they? What are games between Magic players called, anyway?
15:40 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy was actually panned by a lot of the community when first previewed, with many saying it was unplayably awful, but it ended up being a $50 card in Standard and saw some Modern play.
I think it's slightly telling how MBT's expectation of a game has changed with how YGO's interaction is almost purely negate-based when any mention of "casting a ___ spell" is immediately interpreted as "a counter-war".
As someone who hasn't really played Magic, and especially Standard, since like 2017/18? when UR control was a good deck I find the level of standard I'm learning from this to basically be somewhere between old Legacy and Modern back then. Which that's a crazy power level for the standard format to be at.
11:03 I read that and thought, "So I can just punch my opponent in the face to draw a card?" 'Whenever you commit a crime' is just a great line of text.
im mainly imagining that with the triomes saying bye bye, seed shark might be a lot worse because leyline binding is gonna see much less play, and duelist might take the spot of ledger shredder in a lot of decks
For Standard (where you prefer digging into the deck most of the time with spells like Memory Deluge). This card is actually not good But, this card can actually find a home on Dimir Control/OTK Decks in Historic and Modern. All because of a Card that came out in MH that literally synergize with this card to perfection (Necrodominance)
Also, decks casting leyline binding for 1 mana but making a token with 6 counters is an angle that makes seedshark playable, too. Vs some decks, t4 seedshark + make a giant token + remove their best thing is already devastating enough, even if they can answer the seedshark immediately
Here's an idea for the next Yugioh video, but it'll depend on if 'engines' as defined in Yugioh are a thing in Magic: First, tell the Magic guest the definition of an engine in Yugioh, then show them three archetypes: one archetype that can be played standalone, but would greatly appreciate an engine, one that can be played standalone OR as an engine, and one that was played ONLY as an engine. Try to have the guest guess which archetype was the pure engine, which one can be played as either, and which one can be played by itself. Off the top of my mind, three good archetypes for this are: Adventure or Invoked as the pure engine Snake Eye/Diabellstar as the either/or And Rokket/Borrel or Virtual World as the standalone I say Snake Eye/Diabellstar even though you used it in a recent video because it's one of the ONLY archetypes I can immediately think that can serve as an engine OR be played pure by itself. I suggest Adventure because in my experience, that was the MOST played engine my opponents used in Master Duel for ages alongside shit like Dragon Link/Rokket/Borrel and Virtual World.
I'd say Rokket/Borrel is either/or. You can (and I think at one point the archetype topped like that) play it as a standalone deck, but after a certain point (I want to say after SESL format), Rokket/Borrel just became the face of Dragon Link, and competitively, has been ever since.
You've never lived until you've had 4x one with the Multiverse and 4x portal to phyrexia, turn 4ish with repair and recharge. Also for the next month, add Jin Gitaxias Progress Tyrant
One thing I don't like no matter whether it's a magic player guessing Yu-Gi-Oh cards or Yu-Gi-Oh players guessing magic cards is making them evaluate combo pieces. They can't know what other cards are involved and how good they are so they could never fairly evaluate the card. I mean Joseph was right without a reanimate combo that big enchantment is not great.
I try to make the cards require little to no context but unfortunately there will always be some amount of context needed to evaluate everything correctly.
Mono Blue: the "You do what I say you do" color, the "Who said you could do that" color, the "You're playing your deck horribly, let me play it for you" color.
7:30 MBT might be mixing up Mind Over Matter and Future Sight. Is One with the Multiverse really good? I couldn't find any decks with in mtggoldfish. Not that I play Arena though so maybe it's popular online. This episode was truly devastating but hey, content!
It has a handful of results if you search on mtgtop8, though none since March. I think calling it good is a stretch. There's a potential like maybe tier 3 deck that plays it but by and large its unplayable.
Aether Channeler was probably not competetively played, but when Dominaria came out it surely wasn't a bad card. For me it performed really well in a gimmicky vesuvian duplimancy deck. The deck is featured in a LegenVD video and while only 2 copies usually were played performed good enough for me that I got to Top 100 Mythic with it. This card was probably only a fingertip away from being good enough. In the current standard though, it just isn't good enough.
There's something poetic about a card based on a guy whose last name is literally "tax" in german paying you for doing crimes. Really makes you feel like you're committing tax fraud.
Crazy how none of the Brother's War commands are good aside from Gix' and that isn't even really played anymore. Aether Channeler is a limited banger, sadly too expensive for Standard.
Ironically MBT's takes about rotation are actually proved *correct* by the Modern Horizons sets. The MH sets are sets that bypass standard and are designed to be injected directly into Modern, a non rotating format. The Modern Horizons sets operate under the exact same financial incentives that all Yugioh sets do, and illustrate how a lack of rotate forcefully causes powercreep to spiral out of control.
>”I look stupid for talking about how good Magic’s rotation is because then…” >They discuss a card that’s problematic in a nonrotating format and that part of its problematic nature is mixing with cards like Shuko that were never meant to interact the way they do Anyways cards can be good or bad based on shell as much as themselves which makes this extra hard. Like nobody is playing Colossus Hammer just for the fuck of it but because it has powerful support
Sounds kinda dumb, but may I throw an idea out there: having MTG players who main a certain format guess how good cards in their preferred format fair in another? (Like, for Magic, I'm a commander main, but know jack about Modern.) Could do this for Yu-Gi-Oh. People who dropped the game or main alt/legacy formats guess how good modern cards are.
I play standard competitively, and have seen it played in various decks from Reanimator to big mana control from people like AliEldrazi. It definitely sees play albeit niche, and is the focal point of the decks it’s in.
@TheOneJameYT It's neither the quickest way to win in Mono Blue or a top 10 card to cheat on the board in a multi-color. It's not just trash, it's trash that's worse than most 6 or 7 mana cards. Nobody in Diamond or Mythic is playing this card.
I'm sorry but I've never heard of the squirming emergence deck in standard, and I play a bunch of standard, so I really don't think MBT should have lost that point.
@TheOneJameYT fair enough, I guess playing too much Boros convoke mea s I never got to see them do the thing. As an aside, I would love it if someone was shown bloomburrow spoilers (or other newly spoiled sets in the future) and have them predict it, then upload that video a good few months after the meta has settled down and compare it to what magic creators predicted.
It’s played in more decks than squirming emergence, but to say that it’s not played or playable is an interesting way to put it. It’s definitely not one of the best decks to be playing, and not one of the best blue payoffs, but it’s not a bad card in my opinion.
MTGcard recommandation for the next yugioh Player give them "Jesterscap" competetive yugioh players would kill for this type of effect imagine playing that against an Branded Player on turn 1 banishing their 1offs fusion, regain and beast it wouldnt it be a godly facial derailment😂
Man, this one is mean. Aether is pretty good in an etb blink deck, but those arent really in standard. Duelist is Kinda good in mono blue, but mono blue kinda sucks. Owm is like the best thing to reanimate on its own, but reanimator is like barely good enough. chrome host is a really weird tech card that kinda sucks against other decks. Like all if these live or die by context. Its like a coinflip at that point.
What the hell, the Seedshark failed to explain that the token is an Artifact type card, and you have to guess because the effect says Transform this artifact?
I don't follow the scene too closely but I feel like Modern Horizons has been bad for the game. I felt like the fun of Modern was trying to find new interactions and stuff like that, and Modern Horizons totally undermines that. How do people generally feel about those sets?
MH sets have generally been well-received outside of format-warping cards like Hogaak and Nadu. After those cards get banned the format stabilizes to be fun and people tend to enjoy the cards.
this round just felt like "gotcha" rounds. cards that need way more context of the game. "this enchantment is good because there's this other card is amazing, and this is the goofy option". "this card isnt good because there's not enough draw options"
I don’t know man, that sounds like some [[Political Trickery]]. Both parties seem guilty of [[Demonic Collusion]]. I hear both parties are using [[Ballot Broker]]s this election! But maybe that’s just a [[Conspiracy]]. Maybe I’m just some [[Conspiracy Theorist]]. The [[Disinformation Campaign]] and [[Headgames]] that our [[Indulgent Aristocrat]]s use against us fills me with [[Grief]]. The political [[Plea for Power]] feels a lot like [[Propaganda]] these days….
One with the Multiverse is definitely not a good standard card... there's like, one or two meme decks that can plop it out for free, Squirming Emergence reanimator and the rare Vannifar cloak deck (which is really more of a Brawl / Commander deck, tough to make work in Standard)... and those get basically 0 competitive play. It's a pretty good card for Show and Tell Timelss / Legacy decks, but for Standard? Not really, imo
If only YuGiOh had rotation to keep powercreep in check, like in Magic. WE WISH!!! Ps: Don't ever check the powercreep in Pokemon TCG. Probably it goes way harder than Magic and YGO... Combined
I say bring in the bussy man for the tourney. Do you ban pro players when there's a tournament just so other people can win for once? No. In fact, it's even more exciting when an underdog creates a huge upset and knocks out someone who was expected to top. If he's been playing and winning tournaments recently then I can understand wanting him banned but he's Clearly outdated with his knowledge. Just give time for the other contestants to theorycraft and build decks and it'll be fine. Is there even going to be a prize for winning?
But that's the thing, the reason Modern currently is a shitshow it's because it's exactly like Yu Gi Oh, while Standard, after having a couple of rough years BECAUSE ROTATION WAS DELAYED FOREVER due to the Pandemic and other stuff, is now great again after a whole bunch of cards have rotated out.
Which Yugi-tubers would you like to see play in our MTG tournament? 👇
LukeVonKarma!
Team samurai would be cool to see plus he’s very energetic.
Nova Aokami ❤
@brikksquad711 I messaged them awhile ago but it didn’t work out!
Farfa?
MBT happening upon a current Standard game in a LGS like the guy who brought pizza to the party that's gone up in flames
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Think this pretty drastically oversells multiverse in Standard imo, it's a decent bo1 meme card but I wouldn't say it clears the bar to "good"
After hearing it was good, I immediately went to MTGGoldfish to check and yeah, Multiverse has less standard decks than Duelist, which was listed as not good. So I'd say MBT deserves a point from one of those 2, either Multiverse is bad or Duelist is good.
yeah, that one definitelly felt wrong to be listed as good.
The card itself is pretty good, its just that the deck that usually plays it (simic ramp) has the issue of being a green deck in current standard, so its unplayable.
@@DualSwordBesken Duelist of the Mind has also made mutliple top 8s. (That being said, I think One with the Multiverse is actually a good card.)
Yeah I was baffled by that. Squirming Emergence Reanimator is not a real deck is Standard. Not even close.
Now it stands for "Mystical Based Typhoon"
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@@Atrus159 ain't no way the B in MBT means anything other than Bussy
@@jamesaditya5254 marincess bussy slug
@@Degnique MBS?
marincess blue tang
For Urza's Command, you should've hit him with the "Unfortunately........you are correct."
I wanted a 0-5 run so bad.
I wanted the 0-5 too!
Fun fact: Aether Mage IS (or at least was when it came out) Modern playable, specifically in blink decks.
It’s playable in blink decks, but those decks aren’t good.
@@TheOneJameYTwell one with multiverse isn’t great as well so…
@@muditjohar5323 it’s played in competitive decks so I’d say that makes it good. Of course whether something is good or not is a little subjective regardless.
Loved this one, MBT is always welcome! The tourney idea sounds like a lot of fun! If you need more people, maybe have MTG players but with restrictions or premade mediocre decks to level the playing field
That would be interesting!
MBT on here is just always fun to watch as it really does show the power level of how the game has changed.
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I think to avoid arguments with the comments it might be worth using the formula that Nizzahon uses as a baseline for good and bad cards of top 8 finishes keeps it off the worst list.
its so entertaining to see people who have a past in magic evaluate new cards.
would be happy to see mbt back for more.
also a yugi-tuber magic tournament sounds awesome.
hell, maybe even have them play commander ^^
2 of my favoeire YGO related creators. Perfect. You're the only person I see consistently doing the "x card game player rates cards from z card game," and I love that format. MBT is just funny.
Thanks!! Happy you’re enjoying them
MBT is the best yugioh guest by far.
The theatre kid in him is far too charismatic.
100%
I clicked Like when he said "a sign without a signifier." Don't hear that one much in casual conversation.
First time hearing it for me 🤣
The modern deleuze is a random yugituber. Actual schizopolitics.
What does it mean
@@brunop.8745It's a symbol with no meaning, because he doesn't play Magic anymore. MBT stands for nothing.
@@ConnorGrummer thanks to the Yu-Gi-Oh Vrains for giving it sense again with Marincess Blue Tang
MBT-
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Tindangle
(As in the Tindangle archetype which was tier negative 5 x -1 times
I have a jank Temur list in Standard that uses Chrome Host Seedshark alongside All Will Be One, then just play a bunch of the battle cards to burn out the opponent. Affectionately called “Battle Frontier”
Duelist of the Mind is one of those cards that I think will get better after rotation, since getting a counter or two on it in the Dimir Midrange lists does give you a very annoying flying vigilance body.
11:23 I LOVE that phrasing, and really feels it understands its audience.
Thank you! I try very hard to make all card game audiences understand the mechanics.
MBT really should have gotten 3 out of 5 for score. The site he uses at the end shows that Duelist has way more top 8s than One With the Multiverse, so Duelist should have been "Good" and One should have been "Bad", since One is, at best, a niche deck
The reason I gave for Duelist not being good still stands though, as people tried it in the esper deck and even did well, but cut it right after in favor of other 2 mana threats.
Agree. One With the Multiverse is definitely not a good card. It's only used in certain reanimator decks which are currently rather rare to begin with. The earliest I've seen it drop was turn 4 with Reenact the Crime. One With the Multiverse turn 3 through Squirming Emergence was (pre rotation) only possible with 3x Otherworldly Gaze and hitting 8 permanents out of the 9 surveiled cards.
@@0rcd0c standard just rotated and I just played against one with the multiverse in back to back games in mythic rank 😅
@@TheOneJameYT That's weird. I've reached mythic the other day in BO1and through my whole grind I've only seen 1-2 decks that utilized it with the breech combo line. I can't imagine it being a good deck in BO1 vs all the aggro. Maybe in BO3 where graveyard hate isn't as prevalent anymore. There used to be a cool 'gotcha' reanimator deck in BO1 with Rakdos Joins Up and Hulking Metamorph but I haven't seen it once since the rotation.
@@0rcd0c yea I only play best of 3, and it was the squirming emergence builds
The guest is mis-remembering Jace, Vryn’s Prodigy. During spoiler season, everyone thought JVP was going to be bad, but it ended up in basically every deck and was one of the most expensive cards in standard ever at $80.
Hold on, Chrome Host Seedshark is just a baby shark meme but the babies are oily phyrexians
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its a corrupted shark from sharknado! how the mighty have fallen 😔✊
If Aether Channeler had been released one set earlier in Capenna it may have enjoyed sharing a standard with teleportation circle from FR.
Yep!
I knew mbt used to be an mtg player, didn't know it standed for mono blue tron. Nice.
Aether Channeler was vaguely playable in a soulherder deck in modern before LotR, and also in bant coco spirits in pioneer some time last year. But in standard, with no good blink, no 1 mana ramp, no coco, it was dead on arrival.
And it's outpowered in other formats, too, by now.
I also think it's one of those situations where for each of the three modes there is just some other card that accomplishes each one better (or cheaper) and decks will just figure out which of the modes they need the most and pick one of the better options for accomplishing that. Plenty of creatures can draw on entering, plenty of creatures can create a token on entering, and plenty of creatures can grant some sort of tempo on entering so unless your deck really wants all three of those things for some reason you may as well pick one of the more specialized cards.
men, as a mtg player that started to play two years ago and a master duel player that also started two years ago, its feels so bad hear about so many interesting decks and formats that i will never got to try
Here’s an idea, if you want to mix MTG and Yugioh content creators:
A “mixed draft”, where you draft Magic and Yugioh cards in the same pack, with the goal of making two decks. The gimmick is that Magic creators have the advantage in determining which Magic cards are good picks, likewise for Yugioh.
My only concern is that this is inherently a pretty long episode. You’d need to go best 2 out of 3 at least (1 Yugioh game, 1 Magic game, and 1 determined by coin flip?) which means that each game would run pretty long, not to mention how long the draft would be.
Ehh, probably a “fun to play, too long to watch” kind of idea, but I wanted to throw it out there.
Another concept for a long form series would be where every Yugioh win benefits your Magic deck, while every Magic win benefits your Yugioh deck. You’d end up in funny situations where people good at Yugioh but bad at Magic start being hard carried by the power nine and vice versa.
It’s always fun watching someone with good skill and bad cards dueling someone with good cards and low skill … Plansewalkers duel each other, don’t they? What are games between Magic players called, anyway?
15:40 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy was actually panned by a lot of the community when first previewed, with many saying it was unplayably awful, but it ended up being a $50 card in Standard and saw some Modern play.
I believe it was even more than $50, haha
I think it's slightly telling how MBT's expectation of a game has changed with how YGO's interaction is almost purely negate-based when any mention of "casting a ___ spell" is immediately interpreted as "a counter-war".
As someone who hasn't really played Magic, and especially Standard, since like 2017/18? when UR control was a good deck I find the level of standard I'm learning from this to basically be somewhere between old Legacy and Modern back then. Which that's a crazy power level for the standard format to be at.
Yea standard is super insane right now. Rotation is about to happen though so the power creep should settle down a bit.
11:03 I read that and thought, "So I can just punch my opponent in the face to draw a card?"
'Whenever you commit a crime' is just a great line of text.
I love that he did this right before a magic rotation that will probably change how good almost all of these cards are
Some of them will be rotating lol
im mainly imagining that with the triomes saying bye bye, seed shark might be a lot worse because leyline binding is gonna see much less play, and duelist might take the spot of ledger shredder in a lot of decks
@@jcprofit there’s a new card that gives lands “everything” counters which makes the deck maintain domain so we’ll see!
For Standard (where you prefer digging into the deck most of the time with spells like Memory Deluge). This card is actually not good
But, this card can actually find a home on Dimir Control/OTK Decks in Historic and Modern. All because of a Card that came out in MH that literally synergize with this card to perfection (Necrodominance)
Had to pause the video I laughed so hard at "When you commit a crime"
Just assault your opponent in order to loot 1 LOL
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Gay (the rum)
Also, decks casting leyline binding for 1 mana but making a token with 6 counters is an angle that makes seedshark playable, too. Vs some decks, t4 seedshark + make a giant token + remove their best thing is already devastating enough, even if they can answer the seedshark immediately
Bro brought Mono Blue Tron onto his channel to ask "do you think these blue cards are good?"
That’s exactly why we did a blue episode lol
Here's an idea for the next Yugioh video, but it'll depend on if 'engines' as defined in Yugioh are a thing in Magic:
First, tell the Magic guest the definition of an engine in Yugioh, then show them three archetypes: one archetype that can be played standalone, but would greatly appreciate an engine, one that can be played standalone OR as an engine, and one that was played ONLY as an engine. Try to have the guest guess which archetype was the pure engine, which one can be played as either, and which one can be played by itself.
Off the top of my mind, three good archetypes for this are:
Adventure or Invoked as the pure engine
Snake Eye/Diabellstar as the either/or
And Rokket/Borrel or Virtual World as the standalone
I say Snake Eye/Diabellstar even though you used it in a recent video because it's one of the ONLY archetypes I can immediately think that can serve as an engine OR be played pure by itself. I suggest Adventure because in my experience, that was the MOST played engine my opponents used in Master Duel for ages alongside shit like Dragon Link/Rokket/Borrel and Virtual World.
Oh god that’s so context-based that idk if they’d have any shot of getting it right 🤣
I'd say Rokket/Borrel is either/or.
You can (and I think at one point the archetype topped like that) play it as a standalone deck, but after a certain point (I want to say after SESL format), Rokket/Borrel just became the face of Dragon Link, and competitively, has been ever since.
You've never lived until you've had 4x one with the Multiverse and 4x portal to phyrexia, turn 4ish with repair and recharge. Also for the next month, add Jin Gitaxias Progress Tyrant
getting an mtg tournament with ygo players would be so sick.
19:05 "Am I out of touch?"
"No, it's the children who are wrong"
Sleight of Hand is still a good cantrip. Its run in Izzet Pheonix at 4 in Pioneer.
One thing I don't like no matter whether it's a magic player guessing Yu-Gi-Oh cards or Yu-Gi-Oh players guessing magic cards is making them evaluate combo pieces. They can't know what other cards are involved and how good they are so they could never fairly evaluate the card.
I mean Joseph was right without a reanimate combo that big enchantment is not great.
I try to make the cards require little to no context but unfortunately there will always be some amount of context needed to evaluate everything correctly.
The card with the gears?
You mean Clockwork Night?
That one has big gears.
Haha yep!
Mono Blue: the "You do what I say you do" color, the "Who said you could do that" color, the "You're playing your deck horribly, let me play it for you" color.
one million percent correct take
@@TheOneJameYT Been playing for 18 years, I know full well how mean blue can be without being aggressive.
Another one! "Look at me. Look at me! I am the captain now" color
You guys should go and look at mtg top 8 and record the sheer shock on mbts face
I’d love to do this challenge except guessing chaotic cards
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@@TheOneJameYT it’s one of the most complex games invented trust me you’d have trouble guessing good from bad haha
I really want to see more episodes where we can get more older MTG players who haven't kept us as much, and let them see the power creep happening lol
Yea it’s a blast to watch their eyes light up and the complaining start 🤣
@@TheOneJameYT The "back in my day" comments are always hilarous
MBT says he needs prep time, MBT IS Batman confirmed!!! 🦇
7:30 MBT might be mixing up Mind Over Matter and Future Sight.
Is One with the Multiverse really good? I couldn't find any decks with in mtggoldfish. Not that I play Arena though so maybe it's popular online.
This episode was truly devastating but hey, content!
It has a handful of results if you search on mtgtop8, though none since March. I think calling it good is a stretch. There's a potential like maybe tier 3 deck that plays it but by and large its unplayable.
11:43 so play blue is committing a crime
Correct 😅
Speaking as mainly a Temur and Green player... Yes...
Another great video. Any chance you could do one with rarran?
I’ve messaged him but he declined
MBT is thinking of Future Sight
Aether Channeler was probably not competetively played, but when Dominaria came out it surely wasn't a bad card. For me it performed really well in a gimmicky vesuvian duplimancy deck.
The deck is featured in a LegenVD video and while only 2 copies usually were played performed good enough for me that I got to Top 100 Mythic with it.
This card was probably only a fingertip away from being good enough.
In the current standard though, it just isn't good enough.
Yea I agree!
There's something poetic about a card based on a guy whose last name is literally "tax" in german paying you for doing crimes. Really makes you feel like you're committing tax fraud.
Duelist of the Mind saw play in the pro tour.
Yes, but as I mentioned in the video they cut the card from the deck afterward
Blue!!!!! Thanks for this video!
We did it!
Love it when MBT swings by
Same!
Thank you for bringing mbt back 🫡🖤
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Bro when are we getting Master Duel videos with other youtubers, cmon it ll be fun 😊
Next time MBT is on I hope he brings up the comments calling out inaccuracies.
What are the inaccuracies? I’ve personally played the format extensively.
@@TheOneJameYT I'm mostly just mean the overstating of one with the multiverse. The Duelist can be chalked up to different eras in standard.
While MBT is right that rotation helps keep the power level of the game low, Commander doesn't rotate :)
Duelist of the mind I think still has potential. But I wouldn’t say it’s bad.
Next one should feature one of my favorite cards, Inevitable Betrayal.
[[Peer Into The Abyss]] of Standard
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Looks like I also have no idea about MTG Standard anymore after but a single year of not playing...
Standard changes a lot but the last 2 sets have increased the power level even more
Oh look, another MBT masterclass on his cha- THIS STILL ISN'T HIS CHANNEL? WHERE THE HELL IS IT?
(amazing video)
IT'S RIGHT HERE!! lol glad you enjoyed it
Crazy how none of the Brother's War commands are good aside from Gix' and that isn't even really played anymore.
Aether Channeler is a limited banger, sadly too expensive for Standard.
Yey! Mbt, just like I had hoped!
I got all these wrong except one
Ironically MBT's takes about rotation are actually proved *correct* by the Modern Horizons sets. The MH sets are sets that bypass standard and are designed to be injected directly into Modern, a non rotating format. The Modern Horizons sets operate under the exact same financial incentives that all Yugioh sets do, and illustrate how a lack of rotate forcefully causes powercreep to spiral out of control.
100%
>”I look stupid for talking about how good Magic’s rotation is because then…”
>They discuss a card that’s problematic in a nonrotating format and that part of its problematic nature is mixing with cards like Shuko that were never meant to interact the way they do
Anyways cards can be good or bad based on shell as much as themselves which makes this extra hard. Like nobody is playing Colossus Hammer just for the fuck of it but because it has powerful support
You underestimate how many players would play colossus hammer just for the fuck of it 🤣
Wait, are you telling me the guy whose online handel is "Mono Blue Tron" doesn't have a grasp of Magic cards???????
BTW, I know he explains it in the first minutes of the video, but seeing this in my reccommended shocked me so much i had to post this commento lol
Lmao true
Sounds kinda dumb, but may I throw an idea out there: having MTG players who main a certain format guess how good cards in their preferred format fair in another? (Like, for Magic, I'm a commander main, but know jack about Modern.)
Could do this for Yu-Gi-Oh. People who dropped the game or main alt/legacy formats guess how good modern cards are.
Whenever I read MBT I think “Mystical Bass Typhoon” and if he doesn’t become a DJ after reading this comment he’s missing out.
LMAO
One with mulitverse? Are you kidding its good? Stop gaslightning the guy? Do you even play standard lmao ive literaly ever seen it hit the board
I play standard competitively, and have seen it played in various decks from Reanimator to big mana control from people like AliEldrazi. It definitely sees play albeit niche, and is the focal point of the decks it’s in.
But then you say duelist is bad, duelist is objectively better than it i just dont get your rating system@@TheOneJameYT
@@CRIPPLINGSODIUMADDICTfellow magic boomer, the game is very different from when we played. Your rating system is actually what's wrong now.
@TheOneJameYT
It's neither the quickest way to win in Mono Blue or a top 10 card to cheat on the board in a multi-color. It's not just trash, it's trash that's worse than most 6 or 7 mana cards. Nobody in Diamond or Mythic is playing this card.
yes more mbt! lets go!
But when are we getting LVK? How else are we going to have sub replay friday (magic)!
I'm sorry but I've never heard of the squirming emergence deck in standard, and I play a bunch of standard, so I really don't think MBT should have lost that point.
It’s a well documented deck. Not played as often after the last set or 2 tho.
@TheOneJameYT fair enough, I guess playing too much Boros convoke mea s I never got to see them do the thing.
As an aside, I would love it if someone was shown bloomburrow spoilers (or other newly spoiled sets in the future) and have them predict it, then upload that video a good few months after the meta has settled down and compare it to what magic creators predicted.
@@hanahomemadepizza1424 that sounds like a fun idea
I hope at some point that you get good enough at slay the spire to bring mbt on to try and evaluate slay the spire cards lmao
That would be neat
Multiverse is absolutely neither played nor playable lmao. Squirming emergence simply is just not a thing, nobody plays it whatsoever.
It’s played in more decks than squirming emergence, but to say that it’s not played or playable is an interesting way to put it. It’s definitely not one of the best decks to be playing, and not one of the best blue payoffs, but it’s not a bad card in my opinion.
MTGcard recommandation for the next yugioh Player give them "Jesterscap" competetive yugioh players would kill for this type of effect imagine playing that against an Branded Player on turn 1 banishing their 1offs fusion, regain and beast it wouldnt it be a godly facial derailment😂
give him new tron cards next :)
He’d get those right!
Man, this one is mean.
Aether is pretty good in an etb blink deck, but those arent really in standard.
Duelist is Kinda good in mono blue, but mono blue kinda sucks.
Owm is like the best thing to reanimate on its own, but reanimator is like barely good enough.
chrome host is a really weird tech card that kinda sucks against other decks.
Like all if these live or die by context. Its like a coinflip at that point.
What the hell, the Seedshark failed to explain that the token is an Artifact type card, and you have to guess because the effect says Transform this artifact?
Yea the wording is weird
I don't follow the scene too closely but I feel like Modern Horizons has been bad for the game. I felt like the fun of Modern was trying to find new interactions and stuff like that, and Modern Horizons totally undermines that. How do people generally feel about those sets?
MH sets have generally been well-received outside of format-warping cards like Hogaak and Nadu. After those cards get banned the format stabilizes to be fun and people tend to enjoy the cards.
I disagree that Nathan is bad in Standard. It's just that nobody is playing the good version of the Proft's Eidetic Memory deck.
bring him back once a month forever please!
Hope so!
Do a MBT reacts to standard deck lists
no way "commit a crime" is a real keyword in this game... you cant convince me thats not ai generated
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It's on over a dozen cards, actually.
I literally thought I was reading flavor text when I got to that part, lmao.
this round just felt like "gotcha" rounds. cards that need way more context of the game. "this enchantment is good because there's this other card is amazing, and this is the goofy option". "this card isnt good because there's not enough draw options"
I try to make the cards the least gotcha I can. Hard to find cards that aren’t very obvious on power level.
All this blue...jogs my mind...something I- we - all should be doing something...choosing blue...selecting blue...voting blue...
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Never vote aggro or burn. :P
I don’t know man, that sounds like some [[Political Trickery]]. Both parties seem guilty of [[Demonic Collusion]]. I hear both parties are using [[Ballot Broker]]s this election! But maybe that’s just a [[Conspiracy]]. Maybe I’m just some [[Conspiracy Theorist]]. The [[Disinformation Campaign]] and [[Headgames]] that our [[Indulgent Aristocrat]]s use against us fills me with [[Grief]]. The political [[Plea for Power]] feels a lot like [[Propaganda]] these days….
@@christopherb501 oh I see what you’re getting at 😂. If I do any cube drafts in Nov I’ll definitely be picking some of these cards for sure
MBT isn't mindbreak trap?
Nope!
Lmao
MBT THE GOAT
One with the Multiverse is definitely not a good standard card... there's like, one or two meme decks that can plop it out for free, Squirming Emergence reanimator and the rare Vannifar cloak deck (which is really more of a Brawl / Commander deck, tough to make work in Standard)... and those get basically 0 competitive play. It's a pretty good card for Show and Tell Timelss / Legacy decks, but for Standard? Not really, imo
If only YuGiOh had rotation to keep powercreep in check, like in Magic. WE WISH!!!
Ps: Don't ever check the powercreep in Pokemon TCG. Probably it goes way harder than Magic and YGO... Combined
Call me crazy but I dont think Chrome Host is doing anything rn? Havent seen that card since around Ixalan
It’s still in the board of UW Control and Domain Ramp
I say bring in the bussy man for the tourney. Do you ban pro players when there's a tournament just so other people can win for once? No. In fact, it's even more exciting when an underdog creates a huge upset and knocks out someone who was expected to top. If he's been playing and winning tournaments recently then I can understand wanting him banned but he's Clearly outdated with his knowledge. Just give time for the other contestants to theorycraft and build decks and it'll be fine. Is there even going to be a prize for winning?
For some reason, I feel like red and black are gonna be the most represented colours in the tourney idky. Like, overall
But that's the thing, the reason Modern currently is a shitshow it's because it's exactly like Yu Gi Oh, while Standard, after having a couple of rough years BECAUSE ROTATION WAS DELAYED FOREVER due to the Pandemic and other stuff, is now great again after a whole bunch of cards have rotated out.
We can thank all the Mono Red and Boros Convoke/Prowess players for making Standard what it is right now.
You can usually judge how healthy a standard format is by whether or not aggro is viable. Standard is pretty good right now.
@@xXSamir44Xx There's no doubt it's healthy, but both Showoff and Recruiter let you end games on turn 3.
You may be too attached to counter wars which I don't think happen much
They happen much more often in Modern and Legacy
hmm.. one with the multiverse kinda dead card. almost nobody plays sultai reanimator.
2-3€ bulk mythic
M B T!!!!
I love mbt!!!
We like that guy here