Yugioh Player Tries To Guess How Good MTG Cards Are w/
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2024
- Yugioh RUclipsr Farfa joins the show trying to guess how good Magic: the Gathering cards are!
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"Who plays the red deck?" People who decide if I'm going to wait 20 minutes for my turn to come back around, I will not be playing many turns damn it.
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Best part of sligh is winning the game before the opponent has time to get up to any bullshit. If I have to face another Sensei's Divining Top in any context, I *will* bite my opponent.
monored players on arena rope me waaaaay more than any other decks when they're losing.
I love Mono-Red. My Skitterbeam Battalion artifact deck rushed people down so fast that you'd think you were playing Yugioh!! Mono red is the noob slayer of Magic the Gathering. If you bricked/mana flooded, then GG buddy, my hyper consistency wins again. Also, I personally have a orgasm whenever I pop off with hit the motherload into Etali into Ghalta or some other Dinos to snowball like crazy!! Love every second of it!!
@@gonzalogarcia312 Big Red rocks!
Honestly I can totally understand a person seeing the Initiative for the first time and thinking the mechanic and format it belongs in is a gimmick LOL
Tbh It was the reaction of MtG players too
@@ReluxthelegendHonestly the mechanic was largely ignored until some insane brewers realized the potential. In hindsight, ramping on the first room should have been a sign
@@enbyrogue3740 I mean it's not actually ramping unless you can't find the land normally. The +2/+2 and 5 damage is decidedly busted though
I have not seen that Will Smith face in a while, fuck yeah. I miss the Whiskey Media days
When I take the initiative in a dungeon I at least also expect an equip card like "magical latex catsuit" to exist in this game as well xD
This YGO player just gave us the most accurate pronunciation of Fblthp like it was nothing.
Which is funny because he's yet to pronounce a YGO card the way it's supposed to.
@@pozertron Mtg players tend to be shit at pronouncing their own cards as well. Wotc are taunting us with some of these names too. SethprobablybetterknownasSaffronOlive is an example of someone so horrible at this, he should nail YGO names first try if the reverse works.
Without even trying
@Todesnuss I mean, you do know that it's mainly, if not entirely, a joke at this point when it comes go how Seth pronounces shit. Same with Mana Logs.
@@casteanpreswyn7528Manalogs/Duellogs has admitted that he mispronounces things to increase comments lel
32:00 For context, Red decks don't just win in four turns, they also lose in four turns. If the game isn't over by the time they empty all the 1-3 mana spells out of their hand, they're cooked.
On average, yup. Unfortunately, if the midrange player or control player doesn't have their lifegain and isn't threatening lethal... topdeck burn spell yay...
Farfa's reaction to "The Initiative" was exactly my reaction when I saw "The Ring Tempts You" when someone played a Lord of the Rings themed tutor on my very first game of MTG.
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"Your game is a gimmick" Listen, the most popular format of Magic, Commander, started as a fan format to play during downtime at major events. Calling MTG a gimmick isn't that far off.
The reason MTG was created back in the 90's was to have a simple, but distracting game to play during downtime at conventions. That's what Peter Adkinson, then president of a tiny WotC company, asked of Richard Garfield. Took just 2 years to design too.
I feel like farfa totally misunderstood seasoned dungeoneer but got it right anyway. This card IS the bomb it's not just a cog in the engine. 80% of the text on the undercity is irrelevant, you play this card and get a land sure. Then next turn you go to the forge and turn dungeoneer into a 5/6 and attack for 5 that can't be blocked. Then next turn you go to the trap and deal them 5 damage and attack again with your unlockable 5/6. With chrome mox or lotus petal you can play it on turn 2 and it can singlehandedly kill your opponent in 3 attacks
Farfa thinking players need many tokens, not me carrying Ouja board, tombola, dozen oranges and a cow to be able to use some of my decks mechanics.
You forgot a homunculus
Infinitokens were created for a reason.
Farfa with the most unhinged takes
That is Normal for him
The difference between toxic and infect is easy to explain. The difference between toxic and poisonous on the other hand...
Toxic is a replacement effect, while poisonous is a triggered ability. In most circumstances, they function identically.
@@SmashPortal You can counter, copy, increase/decrease the trigger of poisonous so quite different i say.
Farfa: "i think i offended every Commander player"
I mean that IS very easy to do, so no worries there Fafa XD
If dungeons are a gimmick, let me show you a sticker card (before it got ban in Legacy and Vintage).
Oh god don’t get us started on stickers 🤣
The 4 regular dungeons are not very good, it's the Undercity which is busted.
Attractions and Stickers are not very good with the exception of Mind Goblin.
@@laytonjr6601 dude there was a literal attraction deck in paper legacy lol
One of the many gross things magic has done is make an unset without a silver border because they wanted more money
The first magic cards I ever bought were UNfinity
Let me just tell you the UN- prefix means nothing to a lay person
And I was VERY VERY Confused.
But I thought the flavor text was nice.
I loved that he saw the initiative deck and was like "i bet it's good and is stupid" and was 100% correct
I wouldnt mind seeing a draft focused version of this where non-mtg players have to guess if commons are "early picks" or "late picks"
As a Yu-Gi-Oh! player, that white card DND deck seems like the Magic equivalent of Vaylantz/Flower Cardians. The cards have amazing effects, but force you to play a different type of game (DND/Table Top figure game/Hanafuda, respectively) so not everyone will be able to wrap their head around that gimmick.
"You would play this in a non-aggro version of red."
"Huh?"
Red is so infamous that even non-Magic players know about it.
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Non-aggro red is like playing a green deck that doesn't crap out 10 lands a freaking turn.
@@TheForeverRanger Dat red stax tho. I love Meria (and Ruric Thar) because they are like “I will run a conglomerate of ungabunga cave goblins who discover ancient artifacts and use them to form the world’s most convoluted and exhausting legal bureaucracy
Big Red is my favorite build of red, TBH.
@@Arkouchie Red has plenty of archetypes, they're just not why it's infamous.
MTG has many similar keyword variations across the ages. "Wither", "Infect", "Toxic". But also "Morph", "megamorph", "disguise", "cloak", "manifest".
It might sound silly but it's more attempts to rebalance the mechanics. It's also important to mention that, in standard format (which should be the entry level format for most players), those don't usually coexist. Rotation limits the number of keywords you need to memorize from the get go, and the design team also doesn't hesitate to put reminder text, or simply the full keyword text if it's not part of the set's core keywords.
Right now, we have toxic cards, but no "infect" card for instance. The only card I can think of that technically has "infect" (Etali Primal sickness) uses the full text instead of the keyword.
Yeahhh, I think its best to think of toxic as like "replacing" infect, like I highly doubt they're gonna print infect cards ever again unless its a specific callback
Also the original "poisonous" which was similar to infect but only triggered off slivers dealing damage, but triggered for every sliver exponentially.
Etali’ only has toxic infect, since it doesn’t deal -1/-1 counters as damage.
@@theonewingedangel8680 right... I always forget the wither part...
@@operaboy101311 The difference between toxic and poisonous is that poisonous is a trigger, toxic is not.
38:30 no no no, One is not just a "patched" version of another keyword. They are separate and have their own use cases. Infect does -1/-1 counters and the creature doesn't do damage to players but gives them poison counters equal to the damage they would have taken. Toxic on the other hand does *both* damage to the player and poison counters but the poison counters don't scale by damage dealt.
The way they play out in games is subtle but important. Infect decks win through sheer poison counters. Toxic decks can win through either poison or damage.
I have seen a few of these "This other card game player guesses how good mtg cards are" but I find it truly remarkable how well Farfa could analyze some of these with practically zero mtg experience. Well done!
That was seriously the best pronunciation I’ve ever heard for Fblthp and I will continue using it. 11:36
Same, I was so jealous
I've never heard of him before, but Farfa is brilliant. Absolutely understands card-game mechanics. Even though there are moments of misunderstanding, his sheer intellect shines through in recognizing not just basic elements of good and bad, but how cards play into the strategies that work around them, without knowing much of anything about them. Fantastic, 10/10, you should have put a link to his channel in the description.
He's very, very well known but I can put a link for sure!
I'm partway through Archfiend of the Dross, and I don't think Farfa knows what Flying does.
Yeah. And I think he thinks YOU PAY the ward cost to activate hexproof on your creature…
For what it is worth, you can in fact venture into the dungeon in Pioneer, and Modern, just not specifically initiative/undercity. In fact the only format you can’t do dungeon stuff is standard.
"I've played a little bit and know a few keywords"
"Ok first up is the most convoluted mechanic Wizards has ever done lmao"
Also calling Poison an annoying gimmick is 100% accurate, either you use it and love it or play against it and hate it
38:15 That's the fun part. It's not two different keywords, its three. Future Sight has Poisonous on two future shifted cards where Poisonous is Toxic but as a triggered ability instead of a static one.
Poisonous is also around since The Dark technically 😅
Phyrexian oil, also known as glistening oil, is sort of like magic nanotech that makes machine bits grow all over you, kinda like the Borg from Star Trek. Phyrexians spread it around and use it to take over the native life from a plane.
In that way they're sort of the polar opposite of U.S marines. Marines show up to take everyone's oil, and everybody wishes they wouldn't. Phyrexians show up to give everyone their oil, and everybody wishes they wouldn't.
Ohhh. I like them even more now
@@teetheluchador Yeah, they had me at the oil part
Whats really funny is giving your opponent archfiend of the dross and it enters their board with no oil counters and they lose instantly
Fblthp looks like Mike Wyzowski lmao
100% lol
As a Riot card game player, that card looks like it wants to ♪ Get my trash, eat my trash ♫ and go deep.
“Put that thing right back where it came from or So Help me!”
How the tables have turned
How the turntables
This is an S tier “yu-gi-oh dude rating mtg cards” more of him
Hope so 🫡
Farfa is big in the ygo community for a reason. He's very entertaining and pretty intuitive.
That was an impressive showing from Farfa! Please bring him back for an archetypes video or anything else for that matter. And keep it going with the great content!
That’s the plan, and thanks!!
That FARTfa and his crazy ideas
Archfiend of the Dross is good when you give it to an opponent without the oil counters so they die on the next upkeep. I don't recall a competitive deck that ever used it straight up as an Abyssal Persecutor.
Yeah, this card is good only if you play a Deck that either gives it to the opponent just before it loses the last Oil Counter or Sacrifice/Proliferate it before it happens
in the set it realeased and a couple of sets afterwards it was pretty strong on the mono black deck, though it only lasted a year or so in standard, but rn it is power creeped out
@@vitortakara7090 archfiend was never more than a bulk rare.
Archfiend sees use as one of the top ends of Golgari midrange piles. Not every version runs it, but it’s the deck where it probably has the most potential for using it in a non-gimmick way.
best use case i could think of is to completely shit on decks that like to swarm tokens.
like your opponent has a bunch of 1/1 creature tokens out, you play this guy, followed by a card that deals one damage to all creatures or gives all creatures -1/-1 and it's gg for you.
Phyrexians psha poor karn introducing the phrexian oil to his home of mirrodin cursing the plane into becoming new phyrexia at the cost of his life one of the saddest planeswalker stories in all of the mtg lore
The Poison Ivy deck always feels like such an inevitable conclusion
Awesome episode as always! Love to see you using more convoluted and crossover set mechanics! Hopefully in the future we can get the following words on some cards to show the upper limit of Magic's creativity!: (Morph, Foretell, Meld, Transform, Attractions, Stickers, Role Tokens, "Wish Cards"). Also, if you can, let Farfa know that Commander is more than sitting around chatting with friends, there's also the Policticking! It's what makes Commander so fun and unique! Tell him to check out some Shuffle Up and Play or some other Commander shows on RUclips. Lol One last thing, awesome idea about having Magic players compete in Master Duel and Yugioh players compete in Arena! It's like the culmination of all these crossovers done this way-Do it!!! And if you do, please do this to maximize the players' enjoyment of each game, try to ascertain what decks/colors the Magic players like in Magic and try to find an equivalent in Yugioh. Same for the Yugioh players with their favorite archetypes and then finding similarity in Magic. Thanks again bro for another awesome installment, you rock!
Thanks for the feedback! You rock too!
"Your game is a gimmick."
"Mystic Mine."
"Understandable, have a nice day."
"If you're playing Dungeon's & Dragons White"
Was so funny
What's so funny to me is the way he just deadpan stares when he said "the first time I played is when I did a sponsored stream for mtg arena"
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There was a deck in Pioneer used Archfield of the Doss and Metamorphic Alteration where you have Doss on the field and then you cast Metamorphic Alternation on an opponent's creature as a copy of Doss and since the creature you put Metamorphic Alternation on most likely have no oil counters on it, they will lose the game on their upkeep unless they remove their own creature or stop Metamorphic Alternation being put on their creature.
People make fun of yugioh cards for having too much text while magic needs 2 extra cards just to explain the key word initiative
My thoughts are similar. Yugioh cards just give you precise instructions on every card, essentially.
It is a key mechanic once you know it then you don't need to work a novel to explain it. There are more basic cards that tell what the key words are
I'm impressed with how well he did with Fblthp, both in analysis and in pronunciation.
The entire Calamity evaluation was "Yu-Gi-Oh player accidentally experiences joy and whimsy"
100% lol
When he said "Is this just a gimmick" I involuntarily looked over at my Roon dungeon exploration ETB deck and sighed lol. He's not wrong...
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Phyrexian oil is best described as a nanomachine transformation and mind control agent. As well as all the normal uses of oil, as well as several ritualistic uses employed by the phyrexian clergy.
So the American empire…
Fun fact venerated rot priest ability works if you buff your own creatures too and if you put it in simic you can watch in real time as your opponent balls up their fist to punch you when ivy the gleeful spellthief is in play
Toxic was the fixed version of infect. Infect killed to quickly with pump spells whereas toxic is unaffected by them. Infect wasn't great in multiplayer since your couldn't really team up with someone to take out a third player if one of you were playing Infect since Infect only dealt poison counters and didn't deal normal damage.
One of my favourite cheesy rush decks in arena is just protect the rot priest proliferate spam. It feels gross to do to my opponent but it’s fun to play around with.
Farfa continuously forgetting that any card inducing equip spells targeting your own maiden with eyes of blue exists in yugioh
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24:10 Dies to Aether Snap; thief of Blood; Vampire Hexmage; and you win the game. Basically anything, what is meant to counter proliferate or planeswalkers by removing counters. There was a card also, what prevented putting counters on permanents and if you flickered it, it would come without etc.
39:30 Venerated RotPiest was the worst thing to happen to MTG among many cards, people want banned because there are counterspells and abilities, what get stronger, the moment you have 3 poison counters on your opponent. Nobody enjoys playing against one, whoch pretty much says, I hope you play removal and not ramp, or you just loose the game.
That green card seems absolutely horrifically broken.
There are infinite loops you can do to continually target your own monster over and over and just drown your opponent with toxic counters.
That shit would be banned so hard in Yu-Gi-Oh.
Great Card Choices Jame!
I love seeing current Arena legal cards rather than Vintage cards from a game played 20 years ago.
The reason infect and toxic are two different keywords is because infect was busted. Toxic is just the version of infect that should have been released instead of the infect we got.
I would love to see tournaments of both games!
great episode love fartfa, get some yugioh players to try out the magic duels will be lots of fun!
When I first got into MTGA playing standard, I played against Rotpriest for the first time. I thought it was annoying, but wasn't that bad because I can just remove it and only get one poison counter. My opponent proceeded to give it protection and target it another 3 times, winning the game.
I've had nightmares about it ever since.
So, in other words, toxic!
These are always great.
I really wanna see someone try and figure out Lantern of insight at some point.
If only to have their mind blown by Convulsion of Nature having serious tournament history.
I really enjoyed using Mirror of Life Trapping, so any card that gets me some extra ETB juice is a fun card for me. Couldn't get Mysterious Limousine to work, though.
I find the rationale behind oil counters kind of fascinating. ONE limited was designed to be fairly proliferate-focused, so to both reduce confusion and limit the power of proliferate, every single effect in the set that places counters on permanents (besides Planeswalkers, of course) does it in the form of oil counters as a sort of “universal counter.” And of course, being oil specifically is just a nice bit of Phyrexian flavor.
Ya sometimes in magic you gotta get creative with the tokens and counters, or mentally keep track of it all, which is doable sometimes. We like to have a couple decks of just regular playing cards to be our tokens and counters, although shoes, coaster, knives, drinks, and a cat have all been used... the cat walked off.
Farfa: this format is a gimmick
Edh players: we know
Showing a common with saddle and plot (and reminder text) may have been a good idea to help farfa grasp the mechanics easier.
great episode!! incredible guest and even better SERIES!!
Thanks!
Another upload! Yay. TheOneJame thank you for your hard work and dedication, you made this channel yourself from nothing and now its one of my favorites!
Happy you said that!!
Bah gawd, it's GlasgowYGO!
the initiative is also playable in pauper
That tournament idea is amazing.
For as many times as I've seen Magic players say Yugioh is too wordy, I'm just here looking at this dungeon/initiative mechanic like "None of you can say this ever again" lol.
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When you need keywords to explain a keyword but it's not even enough so you bring out a visual guide that refers to another guide.
ahh see but magic has this mystical technology called "linebreaks"
I think if the formatting on YGO cards was improved, a lot of those complaints would go away. The mechanics themselves are very simple, but the actual wording/text formatting is an absolute nightmare
A cross game tournament would be amazing. It's funny too since I started watching this channel at the very first crossover video, and now you may have the biggest Yu-Gi-Oh MTG crossover of all time. You could get that MTG guy who likes One Piece to play Plunder Patrol, get this dude to play some kind of black deck, and if you ever get Josh Schmidt on here then you can make him some kind of MTG Frog deck. If you ever need volunteers to help make this happen I'm sure myself and many other fans would make time since we all want to see this.
Then..... the winners of both games play Pokemon ;)
I may make that an addition to a higher Patreon tier to play in the event
Just run Calamity in a Gruul/Jund ramp pile with Smuggler’s Surprise and watch the fireworks.
I love that build
I don't play magic at all, but you're doing a great job collabing with big yugioh players to grow your channel. Just wanted to give you some just props!
I appreciate that!
Would love to see Joshua Schmidt come on the show. And for the more casual crowd, feels like Cimo should be high on the list as well
Same! He hasn’t answered my message yet
You should have a yugioh player judge something like Invasion of Alara. Or like do a video of battles and/or Sagas
So Invasion of Alara, Fable, Long List of the Ents, invasion of Segovia (in commander), invasion of ikoria, Kumano... something like that.
before the swiftspear ban, I used to get 3 turned regularly by pauper burn.
Thanks for this.
Still hoping for you to show someone _Wall of Shards,_ then follow with _Predator Kavu_ & _Tree of Perdition._
I would like to see MBT beat Farfa at Magic if you hold that Arena tournament :)
I would also like to see that battle
Calamity + Smuggler's surprise gruul deck recently had a top 8 in the US regional qualifiers for worlds so if you ramp to it its worthwhile, but yeah not playable in red aggro
I feel like Rotpriest is used in a FTK somehow.
Almost! It can be done as early as turn 2
Yup! I've won games with Rotpriest on turn 2 on rare occasions and 3 constantly!! To win with Rotpriest you need to use a lot of broken/format illegal cards to win turn 1.
The current flavor in Standard is a Bant Toxic list that uses this with stuff like Skrelv and Jawbone Duelist, then protecting their board with stuff like March of Swirling Mists. I still have my Simic Toxic list in Arena that uses it with Stormchaser Drake and Ivy, Gleeful Spellthief to copy a bunch of cantrip-like effects.
there’s that cheap storm spell that makes target creature unable to blocks. if u can manamorphose/ritual enough it’s a t2 otk
As a magic player, being forced to play in a YuGiOh tournament sounds... actually quite entertaining, to be honest! I'm curious how big the learning curve would be for someone who mains draw-go style control in almost every format in Magic.
Probably huge 🤣
It may sound like fun until your opponent starts playing solitaire for 10 minutes on Turn 1.
It would be not very nice. It would be the equivalent of entering a Vintage tournament to learn Magic.
See now I'm just imagining a tournament where every player is someone who plays a different card game.
mystic mine is banned, unfortunately
38:20 they came out over a decade apart, and that’s a dangerous argument to make, as one could very well make the same argument about the number of extra deck mechanics lol
Definitely want to see a non Magic/non YGO players tournament. Also commentary by the others on the gameplay will be gold
5:25
"You can move in magic?" lmaoo
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If I had the privilege of doing one of these videos, I'd show a Yugioh player Coercion, or another similar card. In Yugioh contexts, a Thoughtsieze-style effect is absolutely insane, and Thoughtsieze itself is indeed a good card, but Coercion is far from Thoughtsieze's power level. It's a bait, but only half a bait. The effect is good, but the rate is bad.
In appearance, Archfiend of the Dross reminds me of Voidvelgr Chrysaor.
13:59 that card is sounding a lot like the MTGs version of destiny HERO diamond dude. Is both better and worse then DD but doing the main thing they both do similarly. Now that I’m thinking about it, this card is a lot better then DD.
Archfiend of the Dross, Harmless Offering and Vampire Hexmage, is a fun thing.
Gold!
Farfa did really good getting 4 out of 5 correct. Subbing so I can see those draft formats you mentioned at the end of the video.
I went to some univeristy free commander nights with a doctor who precon i had bought and was told it was super chilled and laid back
In my first game one person had a red card that made everyone take doubling damage every turn, a second played omnipotence and rhistic study, and the third played a planeswalker or smth that put every card in everyones graveyard onto that one players board
I played my commander thirteenth doctor and was immediately targeted and couldnt play anythung. I didnt get a single paradox trigger or 1/1 xounter onto the board.
Safe to say it cemented yugioh as the only tcg I enjoyed actively engaging with after ptcg rotated zorobox.
Commander is daunting at first, that’s why I recommend standard, draft? And sealed for beginners
@@TheOneJameYT the mechanics were fine, it's the weird two-faced nature I've had with any group I try to play commander with
"Yeah no its all casual fun decks we just want more people to get into the game"
Cool well the game isn't the roadblock gets, it's your proxied eldrazi ftk deck that you used to rush me down while player 3 destroys my lands before Ican play something as mundane as the tardis
@@Oddf0xthat’s the college campus experience. Proxy friendly means you’re gonna face down perfect mana bases and $200 reserve list cards in someone’s “silly bird tribal” deck
Omg Sounds like someone played Lilliana with Tergrid!
As An arena Tergrid player, one can only dream, the struggle is real!
I want that tournament for Yu-Gi-Oh players as well xX
Love farfa just being dumbfounded by saddle and what a legendary creature is
I know right 🤣
This is my favorite content on this channel. It would be awesome to include colorless/artifacts. Possibly an episode on multicolor for returning guests?
We’ve already done a colorless episode! Multicolored episode is in the plans
As a Commander player if u make me dungeon crawl u are getting these hands
There's 3 poison mechanics, you forgot about Poisonous! Sliver fans are in shambles
Jesus Christ I forgot about that one 🤣
My gosh your sending some one new to magic straight into dungeon. You monster
It probably would have been useful to explain to Farfa that most cards with plot have a different plot cost (often lower) than their mana cost.
Archfiend of the Dross is such a badass card that it alone has made me wanna genuinely get into Magic and play black
Based
Great synergy between you two. Get him again on the show!
Hope so!
Being theat Ancient Tomb was a possibility for the first one, it would be for Calamity. You can have it as fast as turn 4.
You can have it quicker than turn 4 in legacy but it still wouldn’t be good
@@TheOneJameYT Why not? From the video I got that it's the cost what makes it not good. What am I missing?
@JaviusSama there is a lot more busted stuff you can do in legacy for 6 mana, and it gets easily blown out by force of will (a 0 mana counterspell that every blue deck plays 4 of)
More Farfa please, funniest homunculus this side of YuGiOh!!!
Not mentioning Metamorphic Alteration when talking about Archfiend of the Dross feels almost criminal.