Florida State Seminoles' Proposed ACC Settlement: Game-Changer or Risk?
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- ACC's Bold Move: Could a New Settlement Reshape College Sports?
The ACC is considering a groundbreaking settlement that could alter the landscape of college sports. This proposal, involving Florida State and Clemson, aims to shorten the grant of rights to 2030 and adjust revenue distribution based on TV ratings. However, passing this settlement requires a challenging two-thirds majority vote from ACC members, highlighting the diverse interests at play.
Listeners will gain insights into Florida State's upcoming clash with Cal, where the Seminoles are favored despite a rocky start. The episode also explores potential upsets in ACC matchups, including Virginia vs. Coastal Carolina and Miami vs. USF. Additionally, the TCU vs. SMU rivalry heats up with the Dallas mayor's bold support for SMU.
Tune in for an engaging analysis of these pivotal developments and their implications for the ACC's future.
ACC, Florida State, Clemson, conference realignment, grant of rights, revenue distribution, TV ratings, college football, ACC lawsuit, conference stability, media rights, Jim Phillips, conference voting, Notre Dame, Wake Forest, Boston College, ESPN, Cal vs Florida State, upset alert, Virginia football, Coastal Carolina, Miami Hurricanes, USF football, Pitt Panthers, Youngstown State, TCU vs SMU rivalry
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What Kenton is missing is that the game has changed with pay for play and the disadvantages that conferences would occur if competing against schools that can throw money at players and coaches as well as facilities. If the separation continues to become greater, then all conferences will only be feeder systems to the conferences with the most money.
🎯 Perfectly said.
Exactly!
It’s been reported that the members will not receive less than they currently make. ESPN is kicking in additional funds to distribute to the higher tv rated schools. It’s NOT the plan that was rejected by the members when an unequal revenue model was first introduced.
Maybe the acc will now pay fsu to leave considering how rotten they are.
0 - 4. Guess who's record this is!
We going 1-11 what’s your point? lol.
FSU gets:
- 6 years off the media agreement
- 10-15M more annually
ACC gets:
- lose 6 years off the media deal
- FSU/Clemson pauses lawsuit
Personally - being on Twitter - FSU can go - Cal is way more fun
Sure.....without FSU & FSU Twitter, the ACC eyes on the product will GO DOWN. Even starting 0-3, FSU is leading ratings.
@@princebowie9950 culture around FSU has trickled down to their players - it’s a drag to be associated with it - but seeing Cal get national attention and loving life in ACC - who knows,in long term ACC may be better off
Nals…we staying my guy get used to it lol.
Cool... of course the ACC would be completely DEAD if FSU & Clemson left... but it sounds good when you act all tough and say that! LOL
@@tomk537 ACC doesn't want to lose their 2 big brands. I'm cool with Cal, Stanford, & SMU. FSU just had 2 very good seasons. With today's college football, you can turn it around faster than usual. But I was talking specifically about ratings. Even when FSU loses, ESPN leads with them.
Clemson has never asked to leave the ACC - they have asked for a declaration of rights under the GOR. FSU asked to leave.
I think getting votes for this would be difficult. Especially from cal Stanford and SMU since they weren’t really wanted by Clemson and FSU in the first place
They signed the grant of rights but they did not give permission for the ACC to extend the window for ESPN to option. The original agreement has expired.
Actually, the teams didn’t even know there was an option window. They were told the deal was to 2036, not 2027.
It's hard for me to believe the ACC would ever willingly shorten the length of the GOR. I'll believe it when I see it.
The obvious compromise solution is the ACC GOR ends in 2030 and NO unequal revenue sharing. The schools like WF who want this to continue until 2037 get certainly, the Miami’s get the opportunity to choose to stay or leave , and the FSU’s have certainty when they can leave. It also puts the exit date close to when the Big 10 and SEC contracts end.
Notre Dame always get a vote in football that’s why Cal and Stanford in the league
One would like that part of the settlement would be not sue the conference and the ACC should put in penalty if they try to sue to get out of the GOR again. I think the ACC wants stability within the conference.
The ACC is wrong. They keep fighting this when both Clemson and Florida St have ask the court to rule on the interpretation of GOR and Media agreement. This would be over if the ACC would just let the judge rule which party is right. This tells me the ACC is concerned they may be wrong.
The fact that you have FSU media trying to spin this like they have the advantage with the brand damaging disaster of a ending last year and the dumpster fire 🔥 this season shows FSU nation still haven't learned their lesson . The rest of the ACC need to continue to beat on FSU until they figure out they're not better than the rest of the ACC 🤷🏾♂️
FSU is a bottom dweller in the ACC..
Let’s exchange FSU for UCF.. ACC deserve better..
So if people are hate watching FSU they should be paid more??? How about the wins.
FSU ratings this year are people watching to see them lose and laugh.
No... this is all about saving face as there is no place to land for now. I can see a performance bonus... other than that... go pound sand. If FSU and CU want more revenue... figure out a way to generate it on your own.
Sorry I disagree. Look at reality. The 3 schools that have the fan support and willingness to spend money to built a Championship caliber program are Clemson FSU and Louisville. BC Wake Syracuse etc are worth 9 million or AAC money without Clemson and FSU. You are better to calculate shares based on ticket sales and TV metric for football and Men’s BB. The next pot of money should based on finish in conference standings ACC championships and bowls CFP or NCAA/NIT tournaments. Last pot of money can be equal say the 8-9 million base. This is fairest way to due it.
If you think they don’t have landing spots once they’re clear, you have your head in the sand. No one is winning or losing these lawsuits at this point. They’re holding serve. This came out of the court ordered mediation from Florida. This is not about saving face. Everyone knew this would come down to a settlement, and that’s exactly what this is. If it’s not approved, the lawsuits keep going.
“2nd City!”
Love it because it is so so true and it really upsets those clowns in Lil Fort Worth 😂
Tell Kenton if NC State doesn't win they're done. Done.
Tell me more about this Ironclad thing tht ACC n ESPN were talking
With the current economy, NIL, and traveling further to play new teams due to expansion. I would think to be competitive and stay relevant, it simply takes more money. It's like working a job and not getting a raise for several years.
can't win on the field. maybe they can win in court?
if the GOR was so "ironclad" why is the ACC looking to cut down the length from 2036? that's rethorical- it never was ironclad
The loser is the Big 12 😂😂😂
Man please Alabama killed USF . Miami will beat USF 55-13 tell Canes the champs are here!!!
Man Kenton sure hates FSU lol
Supposed to be an ACC channel, not a hate FSU channel Ken.
@@JayceHill08 FSU fans have been calling that man every name in the book. Harassing. Nasty Fanbase.
if ACC wins, they get counsel fees
Call me crazy but all this P2 talk I’m not buying. P4 yes. Teams evolve. NIL will evolve. Talent evolves. It’s not a 5 and 4⭐️ world. Player development programs can put quality competition on the field. It’s the Wild Wild West in college football. Let it flourish through inclusivity not exclusivity.
@@mikenieves8881 I agree there is way too much Talent out there. Josh Allen was at what Wyoming? Rashee Rice was at SMU when they were in the American... The B1G & SEC will realize how unwieldy large conferences can become. Butte Community College alum Aaron Rodgers...
@@mikenieves8881 heard an athletic director say the only way CFB can go on is with congressional help, they can't just pass a bill for only a 40 schools exception.
On behalf of the pac -12 I would just like to say “Hey… we are right over here… just saying”
When ESPN doesn’t renew the contract next year, those small schools will not have anything close to what they would be getting
But what is FSU's market today? Big 12 with other small schools?
@@heartbreak25 FSU still draws eyes for networks. 2030 is when tv deals are up in the Big Ten. Let’s not just say because they are 0-3, they have no appeal. Definitely not the case. When realignment happens, fsu will not be passed over
@@Nole1992 And there's clearly no market for "eyes to the network" today. The SEC could contact ESPN and work out a deal to have FSU and Clemson today if Sankey and the presidents desired it. That's no different than the B1G being willing to shoehorn in ND and UNC today if give the chance.
Does FSU have value? Yes. But it's not ND, UNC, Texas, OU, USC, and UCLA in value to the respective conferences. FSU fans are the guys who keep sending pictures of his Ferrari to women and wondering why he can't find a date. Maybe those women don't prioritize cars in a relationship?
@@heartbreak25 We will agree to disagree. No conference is going to interfere in another conferences issues with regards to teams. I can guarantee you that whenever there is a court ruling or end of the GOR, you will see multiple teams try and leave the conference.
@@Nole1992 No one disagrees that multiple teams want to leave the ACC. What everyone is reporting is that FSU is not a first choice program.
FSU fans can't keep claiming that the B1G and SEC are avoiding legal issues. The same articles about the P2 not prioritizing FSU/Clemson also stated that UNC was a top choice. How can it be okay for P2 representatives to go on the record about wanting UNC but not FSU/Clemson when they're all in the ACC? What about the same reporters who said FSU/Clemson is talking to the Big 12 because the Big 12 wants them? When did the ACC file a legal claim against the Big 12 for these reports? When did FSU/Clemson ever go on the record or off the record refuting these Big 12 reports?
It's pretty simple. FSU/Clemson are closer to Oregon/Washington and Maryland/Rutgers in terms of priority. Can they get into the P2? Sure. Are they the first choice? No.
U guys are way off
.as usual, but continue it is comical at this point
The winner is ESPN
FSU DIDNT PROPOSE SHIT! more acc spins
FSU is not beating Cal!!!!
0 - 4
@jalynnbk6699 oh god hope not
@@deonbowser1814 Vegas knows something
@@princebowie9950 what did they know last week cause they had FSU -6 vs Memphis 🤣🤣
@@deonbowser1814 bruh, I have no clue
Noone is talking about TNT/TBS wanting a bigger foot print in college football.. 2026 when NBA contract expires.. 5-7 billion to throw around.. they could offer the new pac12 at a minimum 40 mil per team per year..and could force ESPN hand with ACC ... And offer SEC /Big 10 money... And still have 5-6 billion left over.. just a thought
Down years for clemson an florida st now. Just to make more money they wouldn't even finish mid pack in sec now. Wont hear much about wanting out now.
FSU will need to pay the ACC to stay in it soon.
What this means is that FSU/Clemson don’t have a P2 landing spot. This also means that other ACC schools with possible P2 landing spots have a chance to leave when other tv media deals are up. Don’t be surprised if FSU & NCSt get AAU by 2030.
It means they don’t have a landing spot NOW, but at some point the big two conferences WILL expand… and FSU and Clemson will be 2 of the most attractive teams.
My understanding is that this proposed is from FSU/Clemson. ACC may give a little on the viewership bonus but they are NOT considering shortening the GOR.
The loser would definitely be whichever side has loosing seasons before and after, if this gets approved especially if Clemson & Florida st continue the path they on with this garbage ass play and methods. For the ACC they would have to not have a conference champion win a playoff game and barely make the playoffs, so yeah the ACC would need a clear cut championship team to dominate regular season play and playoffs!!
Cal should be pissed that a winless Alabama panhandle team is favored over them.. trailerhasse is finally playing at there talent and coaching level
Now that FSU and Clemson are staying will the ACC expand with adding one?
This appears to me to be a desperate effort to get out of the litigation by re-packaging an already voted down by the members a concept of paying members for being members. Imagine any conference adopting this type of settlement. This is a giant nothing burger that has no chance of passing muster with the members. Any agreement changing the underlying grant of rights and payout schedules that favor one member over the other members must be approved by 2/3 of all the members, not ever going to pass. Maybe a preformance based incentives open equally to all members for being ranked each week in the AP 25 Getting to the ACC championship winning the ACC championship getting selected as a playoff team winning a playoff game getting to the championship game. becomming the national championship would have a reasonable chance of being accepted by enough members. Ray
Unless ESPN has gone to the ACC and said they’re not exercising the option if there’s ongoing litigation. ESPN is apparently involved, and giving money, so no one is getting less than their current share. Gives the conference stability until 2030, when it’s well known, even by the conference, that they’re leaving then. This proposal is still based on performance, but a more important metric, and that’s ratings. The teams that bring the most ratings, will be paid the most.
@@rogerwalker3409 Their has only so far in NCAA history only one College team that has a national draw and has been able to make a singular stand alone network TV deal and that's Notre Dame. If any conference starts paying members differently based on any criteria other than preformance benchmarks which allows all members to compete equally it will undermine the conference and lead to it's demise. No school will be satisfied to pay another school just to be a member. ESPN getting involved in the middle of the litigation involving the ACC is delusional, the damages from tortious Interference would easily bankrupt even a network. Any talk about ESPN or any network is comming from quarters that do not have a complete understanding of the liabilities any would face who got in the middle. Ray
Simply delaying the inevitable. Once the ACC expanded into the Northeast, this thing was on borrowed time. This conference will be the next Pac-12.
If the ACC felt the GOR was ironclad they would have never agreed to this. Also I don’t think Clemson and FSU would take this to court again because this greatly reduces the buyout.
Let's talk about all the hype around NC State this year and they're trash 🗑️
Go NC ST. Wolf-Kentons, beat Clemson.🍊
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Pitt is the new ACC beast w NILs
ESPN must be driving this. ESPN is going to Kick in more money and to shorten the the GOR ESPN has to OK
Also its funny that the Merritt based pay was starting this year but based on wins and since FSU and CLEM are losing games they want to change to views ... LOL
Yes, how convenient of FSU to move the goal post.
Be prepared for rational discussion only below. Of course. 😉
Their problem is QB. Big time. FSU players on the line were massive. That's where you see the biggest difference between P4 and G6. They'll figure it out.
The losers of the deal would be the less-watched teams of the ACC. FSU and Clemson don't necessarily want to leave, they just want to make more money. And the ACC wants them around because they drive ratings and bargaining power with ESPN. Both of these sides come away with some of what they wanted, while smaller brands who weren't involved with the lawsuit will now be paid less.
What is wrong with the idea of giving a higher percentage of bowl game/ playoff revenues to the teams that participate in those game (more for a win than a loss)? Also how about a boost based on viewership for televised games. Let the conference share be based on 50-80% of the revenues to be split between all teams. It only makes sense for the teams that are generating the revenue to get a larger share. It would give incentive for all teams to improve/promote their games.
Might also point out that ESPN has not signed the extension from 2027 -2036. The due date for that is in Feb 2025.
If the Gor is not valid then couldn't the ACC kick out schools when they lose big games all the time and make the ACC look 2nd tier in football. It also opens other conferences contracts to be broken both ways.
I think getting votes for this would be difficult. Especially from cal Stanford and SMU since they weren’t really wanted by Clemson and FSU in the first place
As far as the Cal vs FSU match. FSU should be desperate to save their pride, their season and their future.
CAL sees this game as Existential on the path they MUST have to renew the Brand and save their PROGRAM.
4-0 College Game day at Home vs Miami potentially is on the line for Cal & coach Justin Wilcox.
And really, should BC, Wake, Cuse & Pitt for example who bring almost nothing fan wise to the league leech off schools like UM, FSU, UNC, Clemson ? There is no league anywhere that will pay them what they are getting in the ACC.
Cuse is 2nd in the nation in revenue in Basketball, second only to Kentucky, and have the whole NY media market, we don't have to leech off any corn-fed has been blue-blood! Cuse in da House!🍊🏈🏀🍊 Coach K and Roy begged for the Cuse in the ACC! GET OFF ON THE ARROGANT DISRESPECT. Pitt followed us as a package deal for football.
@@cuse445 Fair point on the BBall - just that no conference would pay them football money that they are getting from the ACC.
@@chrislombard8259 Agree, we are a private small school, Cornell is even bigger Dude. Maybe the fanbase isn't as big in football, but you said we bring nothing??? I gotta get ready to go see Cuse and Stanford, so, I'll leave at this quote "Syracuse has one of the biggest and best Traveling fanbases in the history of college B-ball, top #5 fan base in the country, landing the Cuse in the ACC was the equivalent of getting Notre Dame in football."- Mike Krzyzewski. That bring some revenue? Not all green is football money. Roll Cuse crush the Egg🥚heads!🍊
@@cuse445 Coach K loved Boeheim and this was the sort of stuff he would say to make his friend feel better about the demise of the BigEast and coming to the ACC - remember about how Jimmy would complain about that?. As for traveling fanbases, if you take away games at MSG, there is nothing special about the Cuse fanbase - see how many Tar Heel and Duke fans show up at every venue in the ACC. As for football, love Fran as the new coach but losing to Stanford, at home last nite, shows there is no miracle turnaround.
@@cuse445 and even if this comment was credible snd accounted for all revenue., how much much more can these circus clowns stain themsleves.or even their value to the gane? After spending last december preparing for georgia they were on tv looking for a fight with espn then their league. After the mosr pathetic disrespect the sport has ever seen they took their embarsing protrst onto the field in the orange bowl while the starters didnt even show up to support the 18year olds who were forced to play theie first snap against a ga team ,fully prepared to prove their 3year rampage was not over, who obviously as a program spenr month quietly bringing program together by simply taking whats in fronr of them which now was a month they earned over last 4months to improve evry part of their priduct srarting with your future by bringing them into view of a full display of how a elite prigram opeeates and the leaving vetrans primed to displsy the ideal approach to beat an opponent before kickoff in front of a chaulkbord and in weight room and like they are now in front of vetrans who showed them. Its the core of a winning culture that very few will ever be shown. Just look across the rose bowl at what vetrans passed down to florida states future! The most sraggering piece of florida state seeing zero opportumity, in useing a matchup , vs the most dominant rampsge in memory in the orange bowl.to benefit their program in any way. That those instead chose to be our in front of the florida seminoles looking for support for their contest which logicly had no opportunity to improve any part of an elite program on the evening news looking for an oppobent, willing to stain their value with a oublic pissing contest, instead of in their lair preparing for an opponent that even could at very least show themselves if ready to compete with a truly dominant team or if the needed more time in front of a chalk board preparing themselves!
I get what you're saying yes Clemson and Florida State did sign the contracts but that was the old Administration college football has elevated so much we have to stay competitive as a conference with the SEC in Big Ten you can't be 40 million per year behind each and every year it makes it hard to keep up now paying players hotel flights that's not cheap and you're trying to compete with the SEC and Big Ten on top of that it doesn't matter what we sign is the ACC job to keep us competitive with other conference
Lol....if you sign a deal for a period of time, that's it. Don't sign long term deals if you think the landscape of fball is changing.