Just finished the video. Thanks for this. I don't usually play action games that have extensive combo mechanics, so I actually made it through the demo without doing any of this or upgrading my abilities. I'm looking forward to doing it again, this time armed with this knowledge lol
Hey I saw that you can actually add a titan ability on Garudas load out. I also saw in the atlas fight he had a ramuh ability on Titans load out. Have you figured out how to do that?
@@aphilli97 I think they explained this during that Atlas fight. Basically you "master" the ability that you want to put onto someone else's loadout. So I think it'll involve you leveling up the abilities using ability points, maxing it out, then having free reign to customize the loadouts.
Great video, I would add that I personally recommend the control scheme C instead of A as C binds the magic on L1, allowing to easily charge a magic attack while attacking. I find it also easier to do the blast combos with square L1 instead of square triangle as you use a thumb and an index instead of doing everything with the thumb. I also highly recommend to put the lock on system in toggle mode and not in hold mode. You're locking onto enemies 90% of the time do better have it in toggle.
I was using C, but now that i’m getting better i went back to A, because switch to different eikon stances mid fight is more important than magic bursts
I agree with Shaq's reply. Control scheme A doesn't make a lot sense at the start of the game, but requires the least button inputs later on when you have multiple eikons and ability cooldowns. And with how much more damage abilities do than charged blade and magic, which basically isn't used in stagger windows, I much prefer the ability to quickly cycle and use cooldowns. Control scheme C seemed great at the start, until I realized you must stop pressing the ability use modifier key in order to cycle eikons. If anything, they should add a control scheme D where all it changes is swap lock-on and magic and that would be the best of both worlds.
I’m so happy to see that you can combo even without hitting anything. One of my issues in most jrpgs where you can only jump and run whenever outside battle phases.
I found that if u press the magic button in the middle of the "slash" as in literal middle of the slash arc I could pull it off very consistently, even without the upgrade. Try it out!
You kinda just gotta feel it, but time it around the last 1/3rd of the swing. After it is fully extended but before the arc is done and he pauses, so if you start pressing it at the halfway point you should be good. If you ever end up playing Devil May Cry 4 or 5, you'll notice it is a pretty similar timing to Nero revving his sword, which is the only reason I got it right away.
They juat released a demo feedback livestream saying they're looking into adding more button mapping options and adding an option to eliminate motion blur.
As someone who hasnt played many action titles, thank you! The sense of accomplishment I got after SLOWING down and learning the timings (particularly Magic Bursts) was insane. The only other time in gaming Ive had this FUCK YEAH feeling was completing Elden Ring, once I took the time to really focus MAN this combat is good! The possibilites in the full launch are mind bending, just with what was included in the Prologue and the Bonus Eikonic demo, the variety of setups and ways of play are insanely fun to dip into, this isnt* even accounting for Ramuh, Shiva, Bahamut and Odin. The wait is unbearable!
I won't lie, I was hoping there was a trick to being more consistent with the magic burst, but I suppose "stand in the corner, practice buttons, get good", is the greatest trick of all.
Thanks for sharing those battle tips :). Some actions such as Magic Burst did look easier to pull off based on the official footages, but in reality it is quite tricky to get the right timing lol.
Also worth a mention is Stomp AKA Enemy Step to reset combos like in DMC, which is another opportunity to buffer a charged sword/spell attack and RE-launch an already-launched enemy
Sth that i could use is how to properly follow up a launched enemy. Once i get the up with torgal or whatever it's really hard to follow them into the air without them being already halfway down
This combat style reminds me very much of the way one plays Nero in DMC4 (or was it 5?). Specifically the way Nero "fuels" his sword looks a bit like this whole "timing magic bursts" and how you can charge up a charge attack during any random animation.
A few things I discovered while messing with the combat: 1. You can buffer both Charged Sword and Charged Magic at the same time by holding square and triangle and letting either one go at a time. 2. On top of that you can also use your eikonic feat while holding both charged sword and charged magic (i.e. using titan's block while buffering both charged sword and charged magic) 3. Of the 3 eikonic feats, Titan's block is the only one you can use instantly after the final magic burst attack from your standard melee combo (It feels like this cancels the delay from the final magic burst attack and if done quickly enough you can immediately start attacking again quicker than you would normally....it feels that way or it might be my perception of timing is off, but I feel like it shaves off a fraction of a second from the normal delay. Not sure how important that small amount of time can be but figure I make note of it. Thanks for the great video!
I would disagree with the lock on. When dealing with a large group of enemies I think not having lock on helps when managing them. If locked on you can’t quickly change to a different enemy Imo the R3 button change is too slow. When left unlocked you can juggle between different ones a lot quicker by pressing the direction you want to attack. I usually only lock on when facing a boss or large enemy alone.
I’ve gotten used to a good bit after playing the demo for around 10 hours. But the damn magic burst is what I struggle with the most. I either get a couple or none at all. I hardly ever get all 4. Ik the problem is that I hit the buttons too fast but I’m struggling with slowing them down. I can hit them in the air no problem at all because I guess the window is wider for you to hit. But on the ground it is whooping my ass.
I’m aboutta fuck this shit up. Lol I love turn based but this is that shit I’m just good at. Combos on combos. Stylin whilst beatin that ass. Devil may fantasy let’s goooooo
Not much to it. Get the timing down for magic burst and alternate your melee and magic button, do an applicable skill based on the situation to clear trash enemies. Then, get some evades and counters on the big thing, maybe hit it with some low cooldown abilities at the start to shave off some stagger bar, alternate your melee/magic spam combo. When you get close to stagger, hit it with something fast hitting to stagger and start some stagger damage, rotate through your fast hitting, high will damage abilities, then finish with your heavy hitters. You don't have to be perfect and being perfect is actually just more annoying. Just spam as the developers intended, skip all non-red quest cut scenes and the first part of every red cutscene and every red cutscene that is actually just a red-colored green cutscene. Once you reach the point where two become one, hit alt f4 and never look back. If you do look back, just suck it up and finish the game, but don't play new game plus because that shit should have already been in the initial playthrough and shame on those morons for splitting it up just to tack on a new game plus.
So spoilers for those of you who are not quite at this part yet or find this video after the fact like I did. But I just reached Ifrit and got my limit break and those of you that are past this part know exactly what I'm about to say. Combat is fun but when you get up to where I'm at and you learn limit break especially during the effort fight melee combat turns into something else and I wish it was like this for the entirety of the game. For hit combos are nice but super fast energetic combos are a thousand times nicer.
Very helpful info! If possible could you drop some tips on how to use Torgal as well? Tbh not sure what sic vs ravage does or when is best to use them lol
Ohhh okay this is what I needed. I knew there had to be more to the combat than what I knew. I knew about magic burst but didn’t know you could do it after every swing. I mainly was just hitting square over and over and getting bored of the same combo. I thought the special attacks were the only thing that broke up the standard melee and occasional magic shot.
I could never figure out the parry timing, even when I deliberately tried constantly. Magic bursts and precision dodges actually weren't that hard, but the only two times I ever succeeded with a parry were by complete mistake.
@@xDevilNeverCry Yeah, I was actually pleasantly surprised by how important learning enemy moves seemed to be (and the arcade mode will be useful for getting familiar with them). The preview videos made the game look easier than it actually is, but in practice it's actually pretty hard to purely reactively perfect dodge many boss/mini-boss attacks (largely due to the recovery period on dodges that you mentioned).
Curious if you noticed anything when doing a Precision Counter while charging Burning Blade or Level 2 Magic. It seems like even if you successfully Precision Dodge, then release a charged sword slash, the animation is the same as a regular sword slash, but I felt like Clive was moving closer to the enemy than he normally would, at least, though I could be imagining it. Would be cool if Charged Precision Counters give you extra damage.
Hey DnC, I have a quick question about this magic burst combo: hold triangle, tap square 4 times and then release triangle. I am assuming you are on control scheme A. How do you pull that off? Do you continue holding triangle with your thumb and tap square with another hand or...?
Type C is actually so much better then A since you can use the left bumper to hold a charged magic attack while still attacking and jumping which is much harder to do if it’s on triangle. Type B Is aright but type A is just the worst option of the 3
If I could just clarify something about the stagger buildup : It doesnt necessarily have to be a multitude of hits. If you look at your eikon abilities, youll see stars for damage and for stagger. Will o wisp for example, hits a lot, but will take some time to get to 1.5x While an enemy is staggered. you can increase the multiplier quicker by applying more stagger damage.
Thank you for this video. Even though I've played and finished Elden Ring, FF16 is still a struggle cause of all the movesets. This video is the only one I've found on YT so far that breaks it down to the absolute fundamentals. I would love if you cover launching in more detail, particularly maintaining sick airtime with aerial combos
Thank you for explaining the 8 hit combo, I thought it was Melee x 4 then magic, followed by Melee x 4 to get the 8 hit combo. No other video explained it was magic after every hit
The berserker ring assecary allows you to attack quickly like a limit break every time you dodge so if constant dodge attacks, you will become a dps god as your pressing sic and ravage simultaneously
I’m absolutely useless in action games but my love for the Final Fantasy franchise makes me want to pick up the gauntlet and try and learn and practice the combat system until I get decent at it in this game at least. I was pretty lost not quite sure what to focus on at the beginning, so this video has proved invaluable putting me on the right track I’ve been practicing in the demo while waiting for the game to unlock here but damn, that attack-magic base combo timing is tough to get right all the time 😅 so far I can usually get a couple in a set of four, but rarely all four….more practice ahead!
I wish there was a way to customize your controls beyond the 3 control types. Definitely writing about that in whatever survey they put out in the future.
Advanced tip-You can charge both your melee attack and Magick attack and release one after another or release the melee attack first into a jump attack continue aerial combo and then release charged magic attack! Pretty dope ish so far!
Thanks for the excellent video! I have a dual sense edge.... do you think I could map the rear buttons to Square and Triangle for easier chargeing while still using Square and Triangle for quicker attacks?
If you can do it via the PS5 button remap feature via the consoles software then why not if it’s more comfortable. The game itself won’t let you remap buttons but I hear they may add that in a patch
If you can do it via the PS5 button remap feature via the consoles software then why not if it’s more comfortable. The game itself won’t let you remap buttons but I hear they may add that in a patch
i find myself forgetting i can command Torgal, since i'm focusing mainly on Clive, it's going to take a lot of learning as the skill ceiling for this game is pretty steep. I dont NOT want to use ANY Timely accessories either. This game is gonna be tough but i'll enjoy the challenge.
I've been practicing for a while but I am happy to see you giving tips because just like dmc it saves my ass whenever I think of a specific question. 😂
I gotta say countering feels weird to me. It seems like your actual attack animation and your actual sword has to meet their attack just under halfway to hitting you so it has to be a preemptive action and not a reaction. That just feels weird to me idk if im missing something tho
This is precisely it, you have to anticipate and be prepared as the timing is very tight. You can do it on reaction but doing so reliably is much harder
Yeah basically. Instead of thinking it's a parry in usual video game terms think of it as a clash. Irl, if you wanna parry and deflect an attack, YOU have to swing your blade to hit the enemy's flat side and push their blade away from the cutting trajectory to effectively "parry" the attack. Unlike in games where you usually can "last frame" or "frame perfect" parry where you hit it at the very last second. These kinds of parries are like soft parries where you can "soft read" aka react to enemy attacks intuitively and parry. This game's "clash parry" where clive actually does an animation before the parry is more like a "hard read" parry since you have to hard read the enemy's telegraph because you can't parry at the last second, but a few frames before the first frame of the hitbox activating. It's a bit hard to get used to but you'll get used to it if you do enough.
@@askiia8713 One other thing I'm unclear about - can all attacks be parried (that reasonably seem like they should be anyways - I assume you can't parry things like energy blasts)? And if so, does this include things like Garuda's attacks where she sends for "projections" of her claws? It's kind of hard to intuitively grasp in situations that aren't just "swinging a weapon/limb towards Clive"
Wait seriously? Thats pretty amazing I'll need to try this. I'm not that far into the game but I didn't like the charge attacks because it feels like they slow you down too much, but if you can precharge them in the middle of a combo it would be easy to work it in
Wait, so in regards to the magic burst; the description says to triangle as soon as the melee attack hits, but from what you said, its as soon as I press the melee attack button no? is that why I sometimes have trouble getting it?
I included a section at 01:30 that shows my inputs up close and slowed down that should help show how close the timing is. This window can be widened with mastering the ability if you're still having trouble
Is magic burst worth using? The magic hits seem to do half the damage of melee hits, and it adds delay to melee hits vs just spamming melee. Maybe it does more stagger damage? And many people are focused on aerial combos, when only the easy enemies without stagger bars can be launched; maybe they'll be feasible for large enemies. Great video though. I was looking for a combat breakdown like this. Looking forward to the advanced combat guide and some pragmatic combos!
Magic Burst reduce stagger/Will Gauge of enemies much quicker. Also it allows you to extend combos to finish foes in one combo string instead initiate two basic melee attacks to do it
Fantastic video man! I had no idea about the back step, magic cast timing. That changes the game for sure! I cannot wait to get in training mode/arcade mode and really get fluid with everything!
Hopefully we'll be able to use tier 3 spells as well. It's dissapointing though that it seems curative and status spells will not be in this game aside from that little section you play as Joshua. I was hoping at least that we'd get ultima,meteor,flare ect. But it seems as if we won't.
I’d imagine if we do get those that they’d be endgame/postgame. Square mentioned that there’s specific content (Gear/Weapon upgrades) tied to NG+ so I’m hopeful they’re hiding some cool stuff we haven’t seen yet
They might be taking cues from Dragon's Dogma on that. The highest tier of spells for a Sorcerer vocation there have accessories that upgrade a pre-existing spell. Like going from Levin, High Levin then Grand Levin.
There was no boss the pax footage and bosses in the demo clearly changed their attack patterns as you drop their health. It's been the case with every boss so far
@@Drac1234 whatever the Garuda fight was. Someone just said they are damage soakers with meh AI. Which made me think of that Gaurda demo footage which looked repetive and long as fuck
Yeah, you got false information. All the bosses we've seen, even some of the mini bosses with stagger bars got different tactics when reaching lower hp. They explicitly said this when the dev was fighting the S rank hunt during the celebration event, and it's pretty obvious in the Benedikta fight.
Didn't like this demo im just being honest the battle system just isn't engaging blocking and parrying is weird af its zones are way to narrow and its going to be a hand holding nightmare for me i hate this type of map,hell what map,this game is just not it its just another bad ff game imo not as bad as 15 or 13 but still is not good 😢
We meet again here old man.. I remember you being a fromsoft combat enjoyer from the other video :) Again its a different kind of combat, way different from souls-like genre. If you're not open to experiencing other types of combat than that, then maybe this game's not for you.
This should get you up to scratch and perhaps teach you a thing or two you didn't know 👀
Just finished the video. Thanks for this. I don't usually play action games that have extensive combo mechanics, so I actually made it through the demo without doing any of this or upgrading my abilities. I'm looking forward to doing it again, this time armed with this knowledge lol
@@jonahsahn Glad I could help 🙌
Hey I saw that you can actually add a titan ability on Garudas load out. I also saw in the atlas fight he had a ramuh ability on Titans load out. Have you figured out how to do that?
@@aphilli97 I think they explained this during that Atlas fight. Basically you "master" the ability that you want to put onto someone else's loadout. So I think it'll involve you leveling up the abilities using ability points, maxing it out, then having free reign to customize the loadouts.
Yea they said its something like if you have mastered an eikon skill, you can put that skill anywhere on your eikon loadout
The magic burst reminds me of Squall trigger in FF8
One of my favourite parts of FF8, alongside using Renzokuken
Great video, I would add that I personally recommend the control scheme C instead of A as C binds the magic on L1, allowing to easily charge a magic attack while attacking. I find it also easier to do the blast combos with square L1 instead of square triangle as you use a thumb and an index instead of doing everything with the thumb.
I also highly recommend to put the lock on system in toggle mode and not in hold mode. You're locking onto enemies 90% of the time do better have it in toggle.
I was using C, but now that i’m getting better i went back to A, because switch to different eikon stances mid fight is more important than magic bursts
I'm definitely doing both of these.
I agree with Shaq's reply. Control scheme A doesn't make a lot sense at the start of the game, but requires the least button inputs later on when you have multiple eikons and ability cooldowns. And with how much more damage abilities do than charged blade and magic, which basically isn't used in stagger windows, I much prefer the ability to quickly cycle and use cooldowns. Control scheme C seemed great at the start, until I realized you must stop pressing the ability use modifier key in order to cycle eikons. If anything, they should add a control scheme D where all it changes is swap lock-on and magic and that would be the best of both worlds.
@@uttrik They have addressed this in a livestream earlier, and they're gonna add more mappings or entirely mappable buttons in a future update.
@@Jay-mx5ky Good to know thanks mappable controls will make this much easier
just started ng+ FF mode and these guides have been a huge help, thank you.
I’m so happy to see that you can combo even without hitting anything. One of my issues in most jrpgs where you can only jump and run whenever outside battle phases.
The timing on the magic burst is rough man. But it's fun
You can upgrade the ability to make the activation window longer, you can test it in the second part of the demo. It makes it a lot easier.
@@MrTharne_ oh nice. THANK YOU!!
I found that if u press the magic button in the middle of the "slash" as in literal middle of the slash arc I could pull it off very consistently, even without the upgrade. Try it out!
You kinda just gotta feel it, but time it around the last 1/3rd of the swing. After it is fully extended but before the arc is done and he pauses, so if you start pressing it at the halfway point you should be good. If you ever end up playing Devil May Cry 4 or 5, you'll notice it is a pretty similar timing to Nero revving his sword, which is the only reason I got it right away.
@@gunnarschlichting9886 I never played DMC in my life. But revving a sword sounds WICKED!!
I'll try it out for sure
They juat released a demo feedback livestream saying they're looking into adding more button mapping options and adding an option to eliminate motion blur.
As someone who hasnt played many action titles, thank you!
The sense of accomplishment I got after SLOWING down and learning the timings (particularly Magic Bursts) was insane. The only other time in gaming Ive had this FUCK YEAH feeling was completing Elden Ring, once I took the time to really focus MAN this combat is good!
The possibilites in the full launch are mind bending, just with what was included in the Prologue and the Bonus Eikonic demo, the variety of setups and ways of play are insanely fun to dip into, this isnt* even accounting for Ramuh, Shiva, Bahamut and Odin. The wait is unbearable!
I also wanna add that after you magic burst through phoenix It can pick up downed enemies
I won't lie, I was hoping there was a trick to being more consistent with the magic burst, but I suppose "stand in the corner, practice buttons, get good", is the greatest trick of all.
I wish there was a special trick to it but it ultimately comes down to practicing until you get the hang of it
If you max upgrade the skill it makes the window to trigger it longer, making it much more consistent.
Knowing we can extend the magic burst window is godsend!!! I'll be putting points into that for sure.
It will be handy, but it's a easy rhythm to get down.
This is exactly what I need because I’m ass but too prideful to use the items that help😂
n0m n0m n0m .. we gonna be eating good with these combat guides!!!!!
Thanks for sharing those battle tips :).
Some actions such as Magic Burst did look easier to pull off based on the official footages, but in reality it is quite tricky to get the right timing lol.
So what's actually more dps, magic combo every time or spam square while charging magic all the time?
Also worth a mention is Stomp AKA Enemy Step to reset combos like in DMC, which is another opportunity to buffer a charged sword/spell attack and RE-launch an already-launched enemy
Yes! I’ll be including Enemy Step in an upcoming video ✌️
Personally, the default control settings for me makes this difficult.
@@seanjwaldron2319 a little but ultimately I feel it'll just be muscle memory with enough practice
Switch to control type C, it's way better for charging magic and melee at the same time.
Sth that i could use is how to properly follow up a launched enemy. Once i get the up with torgal or whatever it's really hard to follow them into the air without them being already halfway down
I have never been so early lol.
Hey man not sure if you have a video up soon or a discord, but I figured out some decent things myself and have a lot of questions you might know.
This was super helpful. Thanks a lot DNC.
Thanks for tuning in! Happy to hear it helped
This combat style reminds me very much of the way one plays Nero in DMC4 (or was it 5?). Specifically the way Nero "fuels" his sword looks a bit like this whole "timing magic bursts" and how you can charge up a charge attack during any random animation.
Dmc 4 is the only one I was good at thanks to nero.
i love that charge mechanic, specially when you get thw lvl 3 one going
Makes sense, because the combat director for this game also did Dmc5
A few things I discovered while messing with the combat:
1. You can buffer both Charged Sword and Charged Magic at the same time by holding square and triangle and letting either one go at a time.
2. On top of that you can also use your eikonic feat while holding both charged sword and charged magic (i.e. using titan's block while buffering both charged sword and charged magic)
3. Of the 3 eikonic feats, Titan's block is the only one you can use instantly after the final magic burst attack from your standard melee combo (It feels like this cancels the delay from the final magic burst attack and if done quickly enough you can immediately start attacking again quicker than you would normally....it feels that way or it might be my perception of timing is off, but I feel like it shaves off a fraction of a second from the normal delay. Not sure how important that small amount of time can be but figure I make note of it.
Thanks for the great video!
OH god i am finally going to have to learn how to play Claw grip with a PS5 controller for this
I would disagree with the lock on. When dealing with a large group of enemies I think not having lock on helps when managing them. If locked on you can’t quickly change to a different enemy Imo the R3 button change is too slow. When left unlocked you can juggle between different ones a lot quicker by pressing the direction you want to attack. I usually only lock on when facing a boss or large enemy alone.
if only we can launch staggered tougher enemy or boss to the air too
Crazy that we're already figuring out tech based on the demo.
I’ve gotten used to a good bit after playing the demo for around 10 hours. But the damn magic burst is what I struggle with the most. I either get a couple or none at all. I hardly ever get all 4. Ik the problem is that I hit the buttons too fast but I’m struggling with slowing them down. I can hit them in the air no problem at all because I guess the window is wider for you to hit. But on the ground it is whooping my ass.
Thank it definitely look i know what im doing and not just smashing Button th. Bud
You forgot to mention that you can also parry projectiles using titan block.
can you please make a video explaining each Eikons ability wheel and how to actually use them since some of them don't say how I can activate it
I’m aboutta fuck this shit up. Lol I love turn based but this is that shit I’m just good at. Combos on combos. Stylin whilst beatin that ass. Devil may fantasy let’s goooooo
How do I use the r2 special attack? I tried to press it at the tutorial but nothing happened.
Not much to it. Get the timing down for magic burst and alternate your melee and magic button, do an applicable skill based on the situation to clear trash enemies. Then, get some evades and counters on the big thing, maybe hit it with some low cooldown abilities at the start to shave off some stagger bar, alternate your melee/magic spam combo. When you get close to stagger, hit it with something fast hitting to stagger and start some stagger damage, rotate through your fast hitting, high will damage abilities, then finish with your heavy hitters. You don't have to be perfect and being perfect is actually just more annoying. Just spam as the developers intended, skip all non-red quest cut scenes and the first part of every red cutscene and every red cutscene that is actually just a red-colored green cutscene.
Once you reach the point where two become one, hit alt f4 and never look back. If you do look back, just suck it up and finish the game, but don't play new game plus because that shit should have already been in the initial playthrough and shame on those morons for splitting it up just to tack on a new game plus.
Just subbed man. I just watched a video of yours last night about Odin’s abilities. Hope you have lots of coverage for FF16
Thanks for the support, plenty of FF16 content to come
Super helpful. I was initially confused that launchers were only Eikon abilities, good to know about the aerial charge attack.
Doing a charged magic attack after the last hit of the normal combo also launches and is super reliable.
So spoilers for those of you who are not quite at this part yet or find this video after the fact like I did. But I just reached Ifrit and got my limit break and those of you that are past this part know exactly what I'm about to say. Combat is fun but when you get up to where I'm at and you learn limit break especially during the effort fight melee combat turns into something else and I wish it was like this for the entirety of the game. For hit combos are nice but super fast energetic combos are a thousand times nicer.
Bought This game for 100 Euros after playing the demo lol
I think a lot of people are in the same boat, the demo did a great job of convincing people
Very helpful info! If possible could you drop some tips on how to use Torgal as well? Tbh not sure what sic vs ravage does or when is best to use them lol
It’s on the list 👀
@@xDevilNeverCry appreciate you 👌 I’ll be looking forward to it 🐺
@@LOGANIGHTLEGENDsic will allow you to juggle enemies in the air for a WHILE while ravage is meant to smash your enemies from the air to the ground
Ohhh okay this is what I needed. I knew there had to be more to the combat than what I knew. I knew about magic burst but didn’t know you could do it after every swing. I mainly was just hitting square over and over and getting bored of the same combo. I thought the special attacks were the only thing that broke up the standard melee and occasional magic shot.
I just replayed the combat part of the demo after watching this and now I am finally sold. This is really good.
I could never figure out the parry timing, even when I deliberately tried constantly. Magic bursts and precision dodges actually weren't that hard, but the only two times I ever succeeded with a parry were by complete mistake.
Parries are definitely much tighter than dodges and bursts. I’d imagine this is why they’ve been pushing the Training Mode so hard
@@xDevilNeverCry Yeah, I was actually pleasantly surprised by how important learning enemy moves seemed to be (and the arcade mode will be useful for getting familiar with them). The preview videos made the game look easier than it actually is, but in practice it's actually pretty hard to purely reactively perfect dodge many boss/mini-boss attacks (largely due to the recovery period on dodges that you mentioned).
Curious if you noticed anything when doing a Precision Counter while charging Burning Blade or Level 2 Magic. It seems like even if you successfully Precision Dodge, then release a charged sword slash, the animation is the same as a regular sword slash, but I felt like Clive was moving closer to the enemy than he normally would, at least, though I could be imagining it. Would be cool if Charged Precision Counters give you extra damage.
that magic burst move reminds me of DMC2 dante with his gun somehow. you can mix his shotgun and sword move i think
I’ve had luck with magic burst by pushing the magic button while Clive is swinging
The combat in this is so frustrating feel like I’m whittling down a concrete wall when fighting anything bigger than a dog
Hey DnC, I have a quick question about this magic burst combo: hold triangle, tap square 4 times and then release triangle. I am assuming you are on control scheme A. How do you pull that off? Do you continue holding triangle with your thumb and tap square with another hand or...?
I use the edge of my thumb to tap Square as I hold Triangle. Its tricky but doable
@@xDevilNeverCry Thanks man. By the way, I beat the Morbol 5 times no damage and I have you to thank for that. So, thank you so much.
Been replaying a lot of Eikonic Challenge will you make a combat guide for that mode?
I activated action mode and the abilities still activate on their own!! Is this how it’s supposed to be?
Only figured out how to parry
Which control scheme do you prefer and why? C looks very interesting to me.
C is more comfortable if you want to incorporate charged magic in your combos.
Pro tip: change to controller type C. it’s WAY more intuitive and can hold your charged magic cards it’s ease
Type c is terrible lol
Type C is actually so much better then A since you can use the left bumper to hold a charged magic attack while still attacking and jumping which is much harder to do if it’s on triangle. Type B Is aright but type A is just the worst option of the 3
Hey DevilneverCry, what visual mode are you playing this game in? Quality or Framerate?
Framerate
@@xDevilNeverCry Same here. Not really impressed with the visual fidelity of either mode. Hopefully, the launch game will look a bit better.
I heard that ff16 is possibly Devil May Clive 🤣
See my comment earlier - again many thanks for your guidance 🙏🏻
If I could just clarify something about the stagger buildup :
It doesnt necessarily have to be a multitude of hits. If you look at your eikon abilities, youll see stars for damage and for stagger. Will o wisp for example, hits a lot, but will take some time to get to 1.5x
While an enemy is staggered. you can increase the multiplier quicker by applying more stagger damage.
Super duper helpful, will be rewatching this when the game drops
Thank you for this video. Even though I've played and finished Elden Ring, FF16 is still a struggle cause of all the movesets. This video is the only one I've found on YT so far that breaks it down to the absolute fundamentals.
I would love if you cover launching in more detail, particularly maintaining sick airtime with aerial combos
Lock on is L1, but switching targets is R3? HUH
Thank you for explaining the 8 hit combo, I thought it was Melee x 4 then magic, followed by Melee x 4 to get the 8 hit combo. No other video explained it was magic after every hit
The berserker ring assecary allows you to attack quickly like a limit break every time you dodge so if constant dodge attacks, you will become a dps god as your pressing sic and ravage simultaneously
face spamming square sounds like a high parry chance
I’m absolutely useless in action games but my love for the Final Fantasy franchise makes me want to pick up the gauntlet and try and learn and practice the combat system until I get decent at it in this game at least. I was pretty lost not quite sure what to focus on at the beginning, so this video has proved invaluable putting me on the right track
I’ve been practicing in the demo while waiting for the game to unlock here but damn, that attack-magic base combo timing is tough to get right all the time 😅 so far I can usually get a couple in a set of four, but rarely all four….more practice ahead!
I wish there was a way to customize your controls beyond the 3 control types. Definitely writing about that in whatever survey they put out in the future.
Yeah we got dmc combat lemme get dmc control customization
Maybe was only a demo thing and the final game will have full mapping
@@jeje4131 I want to believe lol
I hope we eventually get the option in a future patch
@@xDevilNeverCry Hopefully sooner rather than later. But I'll deal with what we've got for the time being!
My man.
Great video. Gonna sub for more XVI content so I can git gud.
New subscriber. 🔥ff16 content
Advanced tip-You can charge both your melee attack and Magick attack and release one after another or release the melee attack first into a jump attack continue aerial combo and then release charged magic attack! Pretty dope ish so far!
I dont know if you know this. But jump dodges have almost no recovery frames.
Thanks for the excellent video! I have a dual sense edge.... do you think I could map the rear buttons to Square and Triangle for easier chargeing while still using Square and Triangle for quicker attacks?
If you can do it via the PS5 button remap feature via the consoles software then why not if it’s more comfortable. The game itself won’t let you remap buttons but I hear they may add that in a patch
If you can do it via the PS5 button remap feature via the consoles software then why not if it’s more comfortable. The game itself won’t let you remap buttons but I hear they may add that in a patch
Torgal is godlike. It’s like if V was a functional character, that boy extends combos like a motherfucker
i find myself forgetting i can command Torgal, since i'm focusing mainly on Clive, it's going to take a lot of learning as the skill ceiling for this game is pretty steep. I dont NOT want to use ANY Timely accessories either. This game is gonna be tough but i'll enjoy the challenge.
I've been practicing for a while but I am happy to see you giving tips because just like dmc it saves my ass whenever I think of a specific question. 😂
I can't believe you can burst after lunge and the jump attack! sick
I gotta say countering feels weird to me. It seems like your actual attack animation and your actual sword has to meet their attack just under halfway to hitting you so it has to be a preemptive action and not a reaction. That just feels weird to me idk if im missing something tho
This is precisely it, you have to anticipate and be prepared as the timing is very tight. You can do it on reaction but doing so reliably is much harder
Yeah basically. Instead of thinking it's a parry in usual video game terms think of it as a clash. Irl, if you wanna parry and deflect an attack, YOU have to swing your blade to hit the enemy's flat side and push their blade away from the cutting trajectory to effectively "parry" the attack. Unlike in games where you usually can "last frame" or "frame perfect" parry where you hit it at the very last second. These kinds of parries are like soft parries where you can "soft read" aka react to enemy attacks intuitively and parry. This game's "clash parry" where clive actually does an animation before the parry is more like a "hard read" parry since you have to hard read the enemy's telegraph because you can't parry at the last second, but a few frames before the first frame of the hitbox activating. It's a bit hard to get used to but you'll get used to it if you do enough.
@@askiia8713 One other thing I'm unclear about - can all attacks be parried (that reasonably seem like they should be anyways - I assume you can't parry things like energy blasts)? And if so, does this include things like Garuda's attacks where she sends for "projections" of her claws?
It's kind of hard to intuitively grasp in situations that aren't just "swinging a weapon/limb towards Clive"
@@BenkaiDebussy just use the titan parry for those attacks, it’s way better and more intuitive
Thanks for the clip and will start practicing these tips. Was away when the demo dropped and only just played it a day later.
YESSSS
FYI - you can press both attack button and range button (R1/R2 in my case) to charge both attacks at the same time and perform a double slam
Wait seriously? Thats pretty amazing I'll need to try this. I'm not that far into the game but I didn't like the charge attacks because it feels like they slow you down too much, but if you can precharge them in the middle of a combo it would be easy to work it in
What controller scheme do you recommend? Type C seems good.
Controller layout C is defiantly the way to go for magic charges.
Wait, so in regards to the magic burst; the description says to triangle as soon as the melee attack hits, but from what you said, its as soon as I press the melee attack button no? is that why I sometimes have trouble getting it?
I included a section at 01:30 that shows my inputs up close and slowed down that should help show how close the timing is. This window can be widened with mastering the ability if you're still having trouble
Thank you very much for this! Guess I need more practice!
Magic burst is like the exceed then?
Somewhat similar in concept yes, though different in execution
It's more similar to the devil bringer punches to me than Exceed.
does the demo have photo mode?
Is magic burst worth using? The magic hits seem to do half the damage of melee hits, and it adds delay to melee hits vs just spamming melee. Maybe it does more stagger damage? And many people are focused on aerial combos, when only the easy enemies without stagger bars can be launched; maybe they'll be feasible for large enemies.
Great video though. I was looking for a combat breakdown like this. Looking forward to the advanced combat guide and some pragmatic combos!
Good point, maybe in terms of raw damage spamming the melee is in the end stronger, but magic burst combos look too cool to pass on
Magic Burst reduce stagger/Will Gauge of enemies much quicker. Also it allows you to extend combos to finish foes in one combo string instead initiate two basic melee attacks to do it
High quality content, thanks a lot!
The combat is great, but launching enemies is a bit underpowered since you can only launch basic mobs.
it would be nice if you could launch bigger enemies while Limit Break is active
Subscribed! Thanks for the guide
Great video 👌🏼
Fantastic video man! I had no idea about the back step, magic cast timing. That changes the game for sure! I cannot wait to get in training mode/arcade mode and really get fluid with everything!
Very helpful - thank you!
Goat work. Needs more subs
Hopefully we'll be able to use tier 3 spells as well. It's dissapointing though that it seems curative and status spells will not be in this game aside from that little section you play as Joshua.
I was hoping at least that we'd get ultima,meteor,flare ect. But it seems as if we won't.
I’d imagine if we do get those that they’d be endgame/postgame. Square mentioned that there’s specific content (Gear/Weapon upgrades) tied to NG+ so I’m hopeful they’re hiding some cool stuff we haven’t seen yet
They might be taking cues from Dragon's Dogma on that.
The highest tier of spells for a Sorcerer vocation there have accessories that upgrade a pre-existing spell. Like going from Levin, High Levin then Grand Levin.
@GilgameshofBabylon this could be right, there are quite a couple accessories that augment your eikonic abilities already.
Hey guys, did you notice how phoenix shifting lacks invulnerability frames? I hope this is addressed in the final (no pun intended) release.
It's probably on purpose, it's not meant to act as a dodge
@@Razgrizmerc We'll see in a few days.
I was getting hit out of it often when I first started playing the demo. I imagine it was a deliberate choice to limit evasive options
Its intended. It's not a dodge its a gap closer.
hell yea hell yea
This is what I need thanks dude
It's timeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Are u using Noctis theme? 😂😅
Ayyyy was waiting for someone to notice I had an XV track going on in the background 👀
@@xDevilNeverCry I know all its tracks so Its been weird when I heard lots of FF15 in many of your FF16 vids 😂😘
Nice! You can also charge both melee and magic simultaneously. It's awkward with the default control scheme so switching to C works better.
learning combat in new games is always a learning curve for me but I always wanna do my best. thank you for making this!
you know what’s crazy about all this Skyrim modders are probably gonna make this shit happen in Skyrim as well
So i heard the bosses are just like the pax footage. Extra long cuz they soak up damage and dont change up their tatatics for each stage
There was no boss the pax footage and bosses in the demo clearly changed their attack patterns as you drop their health. It's been the case with every boss so far
@@Drac1234 whatever the Garuda fight was. Someone just said they are damage soakers with meh AI.
Which made me think of that Gaurda demo footage which looked repetive and long as fuck
Yeah, you got false information. All the bosses we've seen, even some of the mini bosses with stagger bars got different tactics when reaching lower hp. They explicitly said this when the dev was fighting the S rank hunt during the celebration event, and it's pretty obvious in the Benedikta fight.
Didn't like this demo im just being honest the battle system just isn't engaging blocking and parrying is weird af its zones are way to narrow and its going to be a hand holding nightmare for me i hate this type of map,hell what map,this game is just not it its just another bad ff game imo not as bad as 15 or 13 but still is not good 😢
Be open to it man, once u get the hang of it, U’ll like it for sure 😊❤
this was the greatest demo ive ever played
We meet again here old man.. I remember you being a fromsoft combat enjoyer from the other video :) Again its a different kind of combat, way different from souls-like genre. If you're not open to experiencing other types of combat than that, then maybe this game's not for you.
@@yoyomama99 Easy on him mate, give him some time to play around 😘
@@yoyomama99 i did try it though but i can't get into it its way to much hand holding for my like
Ur a legend brother🤘. Been here since DMC5🦾 Look forward to more FFXVI ones from you