Predator Ghost 212 motor review in a Coleman BT200X Mini Bike 🔥Mods+ Max Performance 224 speed test
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- I test and review the Harbor Freight Predator 212 Ghost kart racing engine in my Coleman BT200X mini bike. We compare the stock Hisun 196 and a slightly modded Max Performance 224 to the Ghost then show a few simple performance mods to make it faster by adding a VM22 carburetor, Tillotson 225RS intake manifold, exhaust and jetting.
Looks like you all are living the dream, enjoying every day to their fullest….. 👍😎👍
Thanks man! Definitely having a good time these days. We have been taking the mini bikes with us camping lately too so should have another video from those trips up soon. 👍
By far this is the most best explanation explanation on motors I was thinking about getting a 224 but nope lol
Thanks man! My brother should have a 224 build video out by Friday. He just did a high compression piston, heavier valve springs, ARC connecting rod etc. and the motor sounds pretty gnarly now! I did like the power curve of the 224, definitely felt like a lot of torque and fun to ride but the Ghost seems to have a bit of magic 😁
I'm still running a stage one on my 196. I have the old grey with red fender BT200X. Got it on sale at Wally World a few years ago for $479. I'm a little more gentle with mine. I'm not playing with much of a budget though. I do plan on getting the Ghost 212 for mine and maybe Torque convertor with the Juggernaut driver. I'll definitely look at that carb and intake setup. You got a little screamer.
I liked that stock 196 and having a lighting coil was nice too. I might put a new crank in the old engine and revive it at some point for another project. If you do put a VM22 carb on your bike watch the crappy intake gaskets that the Chinese VM’s come with, they pretty much melt when they get fuel on them and cause an air leak that will drive you crazy! A little bit of gasket sealer will help. I have the Tillotson version of that carb too that I will be putting on soon and testing so should have that in the next mini bike engine build. Cheers!
damn the mini bikes are getting better and better! you guys make me want to go pick one up
Recommended!!! 👌
Get one put a 212cc predator motor on it with a torque unit and a performance muffler and before putting the motor on drain the oil take the back cover off gently and remove the Governor from the motor and put it all back together once you have it done make sure you put oil back in it lol add a torque unit and a performance muffler and youll love it mine tops out at 60 mph
@@babyboy3972 hey go ahead do all that and I’ll pay you and you can just ship it on over to me lol
Got a 212 coming for my Coleman now
@@babyboy3972Im pretty sure the ghost doesn't have a governor it's a "race" engine
You have a good operator, modification looks super.😀
Minibike cowboys.
Thanks man! Mini bike Cowboys ha ha!!! 🤠 👍
Can't wait until the bikes I ordered show up. I could see a big world opening up with these. Aftermarket frames, swing arms...it's going to be a blast.
They are fun to modify 👍
Primo riding spot,love all the trees..That bike rips..Cool to see that you family enjoys riding as well..I run a stock P212 with the gov spring tied back,ebay air filter and straight pipe on turf tires with a 70’s style Spine Bender frame..Only street riding where I live but I can hit 40+ zippin thru town,,tons of fun..Ill be on the lookout for your videos.Ride safe..Ride fast..
Thanks for watching! Sounds like you have a great setup, that original 212 was such a good motor and with a few mods it could rip! I wish we could get a bit more street riding near our place but I have a feeling the cops would figure it out pretty quick! 😂 👍
Nice video Andy! That Ghost engine really does well, I just can’t keep up with it 😂 Thanks for posting 👍
Thanks man! I still think your 224 with the most recent mods would have had it if the gearing wasn’t slightly taller from the tires. That thing sounds gnarly now!
So sick I been waiting for you to upload a video. I just ordered my mini bike the same one. My 8 year old son and I are excited to the max. Just might have to get two more because I’m sure we will have a blast on it😂
Ha ha that’s how it happens, the more the better!!! Have fun with that mini bike, it’s a great project to work on with your son and such a good way for the kids to figure out bike maintenance and mechanical skills. Congratulations! 👍
@@OlympicOverland thank you my man I’m sure I’ll have a ton of questions for you once it gets here. Your channel is rad and we look forward to mini bike video.
@@reddsbarbershop9461 👍
I run a mild built 224. 6270 ARC rod, 570 CH flat-top piston, 252 Rattlesnake cam, Mild ported stock head with Champion rockers, .036" head gasket (9.7:1 CR), Bored and rejetted stock carb, and a PVL flywheel timed to 32 BTDC. Bike is a Coleman 200U with 9/60 gearing. The stock TAV has a yellow spring in the driven, tightest hole. Strong trail rider that can get to more than 50 on pavement. The bike rips at 5500 RPM and under.
Sounds like a nice setup! That’s a great rundown on mods, it’s pretty amazing how much torque and power these motors can put out with a bit of tuning. Nice work man, thanks for the comment!
@@OlympicOverland Yes. I think gearing is important. Engine power is just the icing on the cake. The mentioned bike wouldn't work that well with stock gearing. Under full throttle I can get to 4500+ RPM before the belt shifts. With stock gearing the belt shift would interrupt the power at a much lower RPM. You guys are very aggressive riders and can use an 8K RPM engine and a Juggernaut. I don't need all that.
I should mention my second Coleman 200. That has a 2009 Harbor Freight 196 Greyhound with a CL1 original cam and Champion rockers. Has plenty of power with the TAV and gearing.
Also. Other than the 16mm PTO the Hisun 196 is a very good quality clone engine. I should have built it instead of the Greyhound.
@@Deucealive75 we are about to get into re gearing the bikes a bit. I would like to try some sprocket sizes that I can’t seem to find so I think my brother is going to cut some custom sizes soon so we can test a few. I like your recommendations with the TAV settings. I agree about the little 196 Hisun, it was a fun motor and ran really well. I will probably put another crank in it and do a mild build for another frame at some point. 👍
I just bought a B200 from Tractor Supply. Drove straight to Harbor Freight and bought the Ghost. I haven’t even started the stock motor yet. Probably won’t. I want to keep the lights so I will add the lighting coil and flywheel, bigger carb and exhaust. Not looking for max performance, just more power and torture and fun. Oh yes, a Juggernaut drive pulley. Learned a lot from your video - many thanks. It looks great parked next to my HD Road Glide. 😊
Video was done really well.Auven is pretty good with the camera and bike.I can't believe how fast yours is.Wow.Be safe,and Happy Trails.
Thanks! Auven is my right hand man and a huge help with the videos 👍
Love watching your vids, as well as Mike's. Y'all have great content and I love watching you racing head to head
Thanks for watching Les! It’s been fun working on projects and bouncing ideas off of Mike, he and I have been doing this stuff since we were kids so it’s been fun putting the videos out. Cheers man! 👌
You look like the best dad your son can have!
Thanks man! We have been having a lot of fun working on the mini bikes together and ripping around the trails. He is getting really good on the Coleman and is a great camera man too!
Great video! These mini bikes are incredibly fast! Were the governors removed or were the flywheels modified on either of these engines?
like! brakes? fuel tank? really nice conversion. suspension?? keep it coming! thanks. last time I rode a minibike was 1959.. crashed.
moved up to real motorcycles for many years-sold my TRIUMPHS LAST SUMMER (THRUXTON AND BONNEVILLE) @79 years old. i might like to get a couple of these for my grandsons (AND ME) to play with. now at 81 with a new knee and new total hip I really need some action!!
this is great!
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Thanks Rodger! Mini bikes are fun and it’s tuff to beat the price, they just get more as more people you know get them! I hear you on that knee replacement, I’ve had 2 rebuilds on my right knee so far. The mini’s have been so fun that I haven’t really ridden my other motorcycles since we got these. Cheers! 👍
I decided to buy the BT200X as a personal import to Japan.
I think that it will be difficult to procure parts for remodeling.
Thnx for the fun video!
Thanks for watching and congratulations on your BT200X! They are fun bikes. Parts are really cheap here in the U.S. but may be a bit harder to find in Japan. Try eBay or Amazon also check shipping costs from some of the mini bike suppliers here in the U.S. like OMB or Go Powersports. I have an imported Honda Acty Kei truck and finding parts is always a bit of searching on the internet too! The motor on your Coleman is a Hisun 196 and it is a Honda GX clone motor so there are lots of parts available to make it faster 👌
@@OlympicOverland
I used to have a lifted HONDA Acty. Now I have a lifted SUZUKI CARRY.
@@toyboxryo the Suzuki Carry is nice! My brother really likes his. I just checked out your channel and subscribed. If you are able to import a Coleman let me know if you have any questions about working on it or making it faster. I am on Instagram as well Olympic_Overland 👌
Man that area you’re in looks perfect for this kind of fun. NH is like a mini Washington but it’s so god damn expensive to have fun here
Man that rips!
Ha ha it just keeps getting better! We had so much fun with them stock but adding some extra power is hard to resist 😂
Thanks for sharing this awesome video. I'm running a Trailmaster Hurricane 200X and I have the stock motor with the stage 1 mods with the super pipe. I'm gonna run the stock motor till it pukes then most likely get the ghost 212 but I like the speed I'm at now. Plenty to have some fun.
Thanks for watching! Trailmaster’s are great bikes, that slightly longer wheel base and rear suspension definitely makes a difference when the speeds increase. I bet you will get a lot of riding out of that stock motor before it dies, most of these GX clones are built pretty well and seem to last. The Ghost 212, Max Performance 224 or Ducar 212 are all really good replacement options when you do decide to swap it out. Thanks for the comment, it’s cool to hear what other bike setup’s people are running. Cheers! 👍
I am currently at an elevation of 2500 feet, with the surrounding mountains reaching up to 9000 feet. Should I adjust my jets to your settings for my elevation in the valley? Additionally, what adjustments are necessary if I travel to 8000 feet? I greatly appreciate detailed information like this as it helps us beginners learn how to tune effectively.
Awesome video man!! I prefer the 224 myself. I have a ghost with a TC and my 224 is fully built with big cam and all billet parts that’s straight chained. Ghost with tc in on my Coleman ct200u-ex and 224 is on my mega moto 80. 224 is a beast!!
Thanks man! The 224 is a great motor and I really like the power curve, it has so much torque and pulls really well. I will probably build one up eventually but it’s been fun comparing the 2 motors and seeing how different they both feel riding them side by side. Cheers! 👍
Looks great! Highly considering the ghost for my ct200ua instead of building the 196 with a 3/4” shaft crank.
Thanks man! The Ghost has been a great motor. The 224 that my brother has is also a good choice. Lots of fun and plenty of performance parts available both 👌
U guys can stretch the rear end apart and convert it to hydraulic brake with Mega moto 212 rear axle and rear wheel for the rotor
Thanks man, that’s a great tip! We will be doing some brake work on them soon and I like the sound of that rear disc upgrade! 👌
@@OlympicOverland i installed it to my setup and man it out performed it nicely thanks for the reply cheers 🤙
great motor comparisons... Love the video
Thanks Stanny, lets re power your old Rupp with something gnarly 👍
Awesome footage. In my opinion the ghost is for someone who wants more power but isn’t willing to do the mods to a 212, etc. I’m still running a 3hp with a stage 2, hoping it doesn’t blow on me since the gov is just bypassed and stock flywheel is still in. Im just getting into all this late in my life (41 yrs old) I’m thinking I’m gonna get a go power sports rascal or lil rascal kit and put a 212 on it with mods, flywheel, intake, pz or minkuni carb, nice street tires. One day I’ll do a dirt rider like yours
Thanks! Yeah, it’s hard to beat the value of the original 212 & parts that are available for them are plentiful. The Ghost is manufactured by Ducar and is really well balanced with some great bits stock but you will inevitably end up tricking them out too. I really liked the feel of a mildly modded 224 from Harbor Freight, the gnarlier you make them the more finicky they get ha ha! The Ghost has been awesome but I didn’t care for the stock PZ carb. 👍
First of all, I want to tell you that you and your brothers videos are awesome and I bought the same exact minibike as you guys have. and I’m starting to do some modifications to it one thing I was wondering what rear fender are you running on your bike?
Thanks Ken! The rear fender that I am using is the Acerbis Nost MX universal rear fender. They are well made, inexpensive and have enough room for drilling holes for different mounting locations so it’s pretty easy to install on your BT200X 👍
Lovin the pro taper bars!!
It’s a Woods High bend that I had laying around from the dirt bikes, they worked out great! 👍
@@OlympicOverland is that the style bars what could I do to mount pro tapers, size, adapters or anything??
@@Canadian_Craftsman I had an old 7/8” to 1-1/8” pro taper mount adapter and the bars laying around in my parts bin so that is what I used. My brother found a cheaper adapter on Amazon that worked worked fine too. It’s been awhile but I think I drilled the holes a bit deeper and re tapped them so they had some extra thread just to be a bit sturdier but you may not have to do that. The mount kits typically come with a couple of different hardware lengths so you may need to cut the bolts down a little. It’s nice having wider bars because of the leverage but I did cut about 1” off of the width on each side. Mine are the “Woods High Bend” but I would check out some other bends to see what feels best to you. Pro Taper also makes a higher set of bars for CRF/XR 50’s that have a crossbar. They look a bit more like a BMX bar but you can just bolt them on without using the adapter because they are still a 7/8” bar. Cheers man! 👌
@@OlympicOverland AWESOME thanks so much for the response brotha cheers!!😁✌️💚
Great vid man keep it up i got a built 212 280 cam arc rod and flywheel 26lb springs and tav 2 with juggernaut clutch 😉 things a beast which I can ride it like u tho 😂😂
Sounds like that motor will rip!!! I have some upgrades coming so hopefully doing an update video soon. A few more motor mods then it will be time to look at making the brakes gnarlier. Cheers man! 👍
I hate myself. I have no will power.
I have the Coleman BT200x-OR just like yours. But I constantly struggle with what I want to do with it. Because of that, I bought BOTH the Ghost 212 and the 224 Max Performance. The Ghost I want to turn in to a straight chain hi revving street engine for either the BT200X or a Mega-Moto 212 Frame....and the 224 Performance I want to put on/keep on the BT200X and make it a trail riding dirt bike with a torque converter and 60 tooth rear sprocket.
But I'm so easy to sway and after watching so many videos of other people's builds and all the different things you've all done......I fear I'll be deadlocked and never do anything to it and just keep the Hysun 196 with basic mods.
I need an intervention...or a kick in the pants to go in one direction.
Fine options indeed, but choose wisely! 😂
The choice is clear… you will need 3 mini bikes to utilize these fantastic engines.
Option 1.
The 224 built with your intended mods will become the ultimate wheelie machine / hill climber & who wouldn’t want that?
Conclusion: Yes!
Option 2.
The Ghost 212 unlocked to its full potential with high compression, grenade free flywheel, direct drive and race fuel could be your ticket to a mini bike land speed record at Bonneville, just like Rollie Free would have done (if he had a mini bike).
Conclusion: Also YES!
Hisun 196, just because it was a surprisingly fun engine that had good character, was fun to mod and (other than the leaking fuel tank cap) was a totally likable well made motor!
Conclusion: Yes again! (maybe not if your 5/8 crankshaft already broke off) 😂
More mini bikes, more motors, more fun! 👌
@@OlympicOverland I knew it. All 3 it is! Now...what will the 3rd bike be? Something I can ride comfortably in swim trunks and a bathing cap.....
Those trails look super fun! Is that on private land or public? We have a few acres we’re slowing developing on Dry Hill and thinking about getting something motorized to cruise around up there. Loving the channel!
Hi! Most of this video was shot on my property and a few logging roads west of my place. Dry Hill is great! I’ve done a lot of riding on the south and east side of that area over the years on our trail bikes. Thanks for watching man! 👍
I really like your video's man thanks for the information 👍🙂🙏
Thank you! I should have another video up soon and hoping to get a more consistent posting schedule for this coming year. 👍
Need to start a bike gang with matching jackets !
Mini bike gang names… “The Leg Burners” “Tangerines” “Chain Breakers” 😂
More mini bike videos please 👍👍
More to come!
I want to get one of these bt bikes and do something similar. I was thinking of going with the tilliston 212. They say it has 10 HP.
The Tillotson is a beast, I’ve heard great things about it 👍
Red Beard ran the Ghost on a dyno. 9.8 hp is what I remember
Great video Andy. Looks like everybody is having fun.👍
I assume you installed the stock Coleman jackshaft assembly from the old engine to the Ghost 212 during this time? Also curious about your headlight setup and gas tank. Thanks for the content. Josh
Hi Josh, I did use the Coleman jackshaft but the crankshaft diameter on the Ghost is larger than the original Hisun 196 so I installed a new clutch. The headlight is just a cheap Hella 500 that I had laying around and it is pretty easy to adapt to the Coleman bracket. The gas tank works good but I will probably do an aluminum tank that mounts under the top tube or seat area at some point. I will post a link to the tank that I have on the bike in the video, it will require a mounting plate to fit the Ghost. I made the plate in the video pretty quickly out of aluminum using a cardboard template. I think there are probably some better options out there now but it has worked pretty good. Thanks for watching! www.ebay.com/itm/115811463597?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=W-QUSwFpRtm&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=Tcq6iqqPSpi&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
@@OlympicOverland Thanks for the quick reply. The bike looks good. I will check out those options during my build. Thank you.
@@j-vtol8547 No problem man! Have fun on your build and let me know if you have any other questions along the way 👌
Put a light on it they are great for getting to them fishing spots way back in the woods
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And if you still have the old motor you broke your crankshaft off from you should be able to take that ignition coil off swap it out onto the Ghost Engine and that should eliminate your rev limiter
The Ghost valves may float over 6k. May need heaver valve springs.
@@barrickent184 valve springs are pretty cheap
Someone needs to create an adjustable RPM rev box for these small engines it would make such a difference
thats insane!
Ha ha lots of fun!
Nice video man, im thinking of doing this and riding it in the sand, hows it do in the sand?
Plus im thinking of doing the regular clutch setup but a racing one, or should i upgrade to the torq converter?
Love your videos and mods to the Coleman. Was wondering about your headlight. Which model Hella lamp is that?
Thanks man! It’s just the cheapest halogen Hella headlight, maybe the 500? I had a couple of sets laying around from a car project so made it work. The bracket is really easy to adapt to the original Coleman mount and gives you some adjustment. I might go to LED eventually but the stock Hisun lighting coil powered the halogen fine. 👍
Wish i had a trail like that.
I am new to your channel but love it. Are you running a stock clutch or do you have a video on the clutch. Great job.
Welcome to the channel! The stock Hisun 196 on my BT200X had the smaller 5/8” shaft so I wasn’t able to use the original clutch on my Ghost 212 because the Predator motor and most others brands have the larger 3/4” shaft. I ordered a cheap clutch on Amazon but have an upgraded clutch that I will be installing soon and will include in the next mini bike video. Centrifugal clutches work great for what we are doing but torque converters (TAV) are a nice option as well but can limit higher rpm’s unless you swap out the driver unit for something like the Juggernaut. Thanks for watching!
Rad riding. Looks fun.
Thanks man, the mini bikes are definitely fun!
I've got a suggestion for your son's mini bike ducar 212 aka the Tillotson 212r it's governor at 5300 rpm the 2 I have out the box did 5500 on tac I got 55 mph out of a stock out the box on a heavy mega moto 212 pro it did 58 mph on a ct200u with stock 10/50 juggernaut me weighing 260 lb the run around $230 ship to your front door and is my favorite bolt on motor good stuff man plan on doing something with the ghost in the future not sure what yet possibly mounting it on my yerf dog 3202 kart before I do a duromax 440 stage 2 build
Nice! I almost bought the Ducar 212, I like that it comes with a PVL flywheel and seems like a sweet setup. I will probably pick one up for his bike. Thanks man! 👌
@@OlympicOverland no problem also studz sells a sloted brake shoe upgrade we used it on son 236 Tillotson bt200x flat track bike it stops on a dime with its 16" snow hog rear tire corners well with the 17" tire and 10 inch split rim Robertson loop pipes he on Facebook and has a website makes a exhaust for this that is out of this world
@@heathenprojects2639 sounds good! I will look him up, sounds like great stuff
@@heathenprojects2639 You got 55-58 and you weigh 260? That's really good!
@@Deucealive75 ducar motors are peepy I traded a old stage 2 predator that still had plenty of life in it for a ghost a guy bought he crashed it and carb broke and dented the fan shroud I'm going to throw a vm22 on it try and pound out the shroud strait send it on the bt200x I've had laying in the corner of the shop for like 3 years
Broke my 196 so parts needed to get the ghost up and running please.😊
You will just need a clutch for the 3/4” shaft and some slightly larger hardware for jackshaft mounts. You will also need to fab up a gas tank because the Ghost doesn’t include one. Check out the HF Max Power 224 as well, it’s cheaper and makes a lot of torque. 👍
Parts from the 196cc will fit your other motor so you should be able to have the parts you need right there
I got a Coleman bike my self I'm almost done fixing it
Ha ha nice! The stock chains stretch and are kind of a pain, upgrading helped a lot.
Would the ghost 212 be good on my Coleman bt200x with the stock jackshaft and 50 tooth rear sprocket
Yeah it’s great with the stock setup, the 224 or standard Predator 212 are also pretty good options
What kind of truck is that? Love the motorbike. We just got a used one and so far the kids love it. Will definitely be doing upgrades.
Hi, the truck is a Honda Acty 4x4 Kei truck that was imported from Japan. It’s been a great truck & traction is incredible with the locking rear differential. I have a bunch of other videos of the Acty and our Dodge Cummins camper. Congratulations on your mini bike! They are so easy to upgrade and it’s great for the kids to learn how to work on bikes. 👍
@@OlympicOverland - Thank you. That truck is the perfect size for my needs. I just noticed the steering wheel is on the opposite side. My son will change the oil, put on a replacement muffler, and a new spark plug this week. The engine looks a little worn so a new Predator engine is in our future.
Thanks for the video.
@@mxj8361 the Predator motors are great and have plenty of aftermarket parts available for the 212 & 224. If you buy a standard Predator 212 instead of the Ghost try to get the hemi version. If you pop open the side grab handles on the box you can see the valve cover, look for one that has a cast aluminum valve cover instead of the steel cover, the ones with the cast aluminum cover have better rocker arms, a hemi head and a bit more compression. They used to have a different part number but share numbers now so the best to find the hemi is just looking through the box handle. Great motors and they can sometimes be had in the $140 range 👍
@@OlympicOverland - We will definitely get the standard version for now. I appreciate the tip. Though the Ghost looks like fun, I can see the wife not liking it one bit. My younger two and I should have a blast. My oldest is a senior in high school so he is "too cool" for us now.
I will let you know how the bike goes.
Have a great one and I will be watching the videos.
Hey brother great video! I have a question if you have a second, I bought the ghost to put on my Coleman ct200u-ex and the motor is in the way of installing the jackplate back on the bike, am I missing something?
Hi Brian, the jackshaft plate sits really close on most Predator and clone motors. It’s usually one of the yellow plugs or sometimes the air routing shroud that hits. I have just bent or cut the air shrouds or on my Ghost I just rotated the plug slightly and it fit. You may have to use washers to shim the cover over slightly if the other two solutions don’t work. Cheers man and thanks for watching! 👍
Really good content.
Thanks Jake!
Great video, What is that bike frame? where can I get one?
I've been looking for an intake like you have, where can I find one for my Predator 212cc...
The Tillotson 225RS intake is what I run and will fit your Predator 212 nicely. I ordered mine through Chads Mini Fab.
Man you gotta tell me what your running to the rear, it looks like the stock jackshaft from the hyson, if it is how did you mount it to the ghost?
I have a stock BT200X that I have only riden a hand full of times, mostly on the road I live on. Other than a slow top speed of about 23 mph the only other complaint would be the steering angle of the forks. Seems to be a little quick or twitchy, more than I like. Have you noticed this on your BT200X's, if so, did you do anything about it?
I have never noticed the steering feeling very twitchy on mine or any of the other ones (we have 4). I did find a loose stem bolt on my girlfriend’s mini bike that was never tightened from the store that were we bought it so maybe check that. Most of the bikes had the bars pushed really far forward and bringing them back a bit makes them feel better plus the stock bars are really narrow so going with a wider handle bar will definitely make it feel more stable. Hope that helps, cheers!
how did you mount that hella fog light? does it bolt right up to stock headlight bracket or did you fab something up?
It’s pretty close to bolting up but you have to use part of the Hella bracket combined with part of the original mount, it’s a fairly easy mod so definitely give it a try.
@@OlympicOverland thanks for the reply! just ordered some off amazon definitely gonna get it to work
@@nszabados I bet you will get it set up pretty quickly. It looks cool and has a better adjustment for positioning than the stock light. Cheers!
Update.... I decided to go with the Ghost on the BT200x like you did. So I came back to this video to see how you set yours up so I can try to get the same results. I noticed in your vid at the 4:51 Mark, that you had the cover off the side of the motor and there was a plastic cam in there. Yet other tear down vids on the Ghost show a steel cam. I haven't cracked my case open out of fear of what I'll find. You had a plastic cam?!?
Also, "word on the street" is...the Ghost comes with a better than stock connecting rod but not as good as a billet unit. Do you know if that's true? And the springs....some people say they are 22lb out of the box but others say they are 33lb. Any ideas on that?
I put on a billet flywheel, the 6619, from ARC, a VM22 Clone carb and replaced the 6000 rpm limited coil with a non-limited coil. Then a 30 series chinese made torque converter with a Juggernaut clutch. Where did you get your straight header with muffler? I've bought 2 so far and both of them hit the frame. They aren't long enough like the one on your bike. They don't come out far enough to get around the frame.
And..I guess..lastly, How's the Ghost holding up after 7 months? How's the BT200x in general?
Hi! The Ghost has been holding up great & seemed to get even smoother after getting some hours on it. That shot of the side case opened up was on my old motor so it had the plastic cam gear, the Ghost is steel and a decent mild cam. I’m not sure of the valve spring weight but I think someone showed them starting to float around 7500 rpm but I can’t confirm that. I have stiffer springs to put in and will include that in a future video. I will try to leave a link for my exhaust, it’s U.S. made and has great welds (also clears the frame nicely). It is loud so I ordered a mini clamp on muffler. I will also try to include a link to the exhaust Stacy bought for her bike, it’s the crossover style but is a bit quieter. They both work great but the shorty header style on mine flows a bit better. I believe the number on the crank is different than the standard motors although it looks very similar. The Ghost is manufactured by Ducar and they have been making some sweet Kart racing motors so I’m sure it’s a decent crank, I bought an ARC to upgrade soon anyway because Chad at Chadz Mini Fab had a really good sale on them. Cheers! www.ebay.com/itm/274638755302?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=FltSvJpgRmy&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=Tcq6iqqPSpi&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY www.ebay.com/itm/274456313317?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=FltSvJpgRmy&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=Tcq6iqqPSpi&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Chadz mini fabz is the best and he's local.
Yeah Chad is cool, his builds are awesome! 👍
Question: My BT200x (slightly modded) has terrible vibration in the handle bars. Did any of you run into that in figure out a fix? I added weights to the end of mine and it helped but it still rattles the bones. Can only ride for about an hour at a time at 20+mph before the pain kicks in.
The motor mounts on my sons bike loosened up and it felt like a paint shaker! Try tightening them and maybe make sure your flywheel is tight and no bits have broken off of it. 👌
I had a problem with an out of balance driver on a cheap TC. Got a juggernaut and that went away.
What torque converter did you use and what exhaust pipe .i have a coleman bt200x i want to put a ghost 212cc on it
What handle bars are you guys running?
And what head light set up does your Brothers BT have on it ?
Thanks man 🏁🏆🏁
Hi! We are using ProTaper bars on the mini’s, just some extra bits from our moto parts bin. I don’t remember what bend my brother has but mine are the Woods High bend. I cut about 1” off of each side and the width is pretty good. They are a 1 1/8” bar so you will need the ProTaper 7/8” - 1 1/8” adapter but those give a bit of rise and that helps. ProTaper sells a 7/8” bar for the CRF50 that fits without an adapter and is a bit taller as well. The dual headlight on Mikes bike is a pair of cheap round LED’s from Amazon and he welded up that aluminum hanger with a cage so all custom. If you don’t have a TIG setup for aluminum you could make a similar cage with some mild steel tubing, it’s easy to bend with a torch and welds nice on a simple flux welder. 👍
Hey what country are you im in canada simply question for you elevation for my jet im not good with carb
Do you have a video on the double head light set up?
where do you guys ride at? This looks like Washington am I right?
The pz22 is bigger than the pz20. The pz20 is a copy of the walbro carburetors that comes stock on the Briggs and Stratton animal
Good to know, it’s interesting how much larger the throat of the VM22 is in comparison. 👍
Really digging your mini bike build! Do you have some type of clutch on that?
Thanks man! I’m just using the original jackshaft with a cheap Amazon clutch. I have some new parts and an upgraded clutch to test out in the next video 👌
Can’t wait for your next mini bike video keep them coming,
@@jimmycone3717 many more mini bike videos in the works! 👌
I just bought a bt200x and immediately know I need to engine swap that turd. With the predator ghost engine are there any other parts you need like clutch etc...? I want to just buy all I need and do a quick painless swap if possible. Just not sure what all parts I need.
You will need a new 3/4” clutch because the Predator motors have a larger crank shaft end than the stock Hisun motor. The Predators use larger hardware for the crankshaft end and jackshaft mounts as well. You can bypass the governor on that 196 Hisun, put a VM22 carb on it and put a free flowing exhaust on. They already have a thin head gasket so compression is as high as you can go without a changing the piston but those motors actually do pretty good with a few mods and most of the parts you buy for it are standard GX clone parts so they will fit on the Ghost 212 too when you decide to buy it. 👌
@Olympic Overland will that aftermarket carb bypass the governor or will I have to open up that case and remove that gear inside which I have seen in a video? New carb and exhaust sounds quick and easy to me if that's all that is need to spice up that thing.
@@codyjy23 look up the zip tie trick for a quick governor bypass or open the case and remove it. I have a few shots of taking it out in one of my older videos. It’s pretty easy and then parts aren’t rattling around inside so there isn’t any worries about them breaking apart internally. The zip tie trick is quick and gets you higher rpm’s in minutes. Just be careful with sustained high rpm running because any stock cast flywheel can break or lose its magnets at high revs but I never had a problem with my stock flywheel and all 3 of the other stock Hisun motors that are on our other mini bikes have been great as well. Cheers man!
Hello, I have the exact same bike and engine, could you send over everything you used to build it? I'm having some issues with mine.
Hi Wesley, the Ghost 212 in my bike has a Tillotson 225RS intake manifold, VM22 carburetor with Uni filter and a straight pipe exhaust that I added a muffler too. The jetting is included in the video and should get you close. If you are having running issues with any aftermarket carburetor setup I would recommend checking your intake manifold gasket, the paper gaskets are prone to degradation and I’ve seen some that even look melted. I would recommend using gasket sealer on both sides of the gasket. When the gasket fails you will have a lean condition, the bike typically won’t idle properly and will run poorly. I hope that helps
@@OlympicOverland thank you 🙏🏻
one question with this engine can you still power up the headlights
Hi, unfortunately there is no lighting coil on these Predator motors so it’s pretty common to run a battery pack and just charge it occasionally.
How did your brother do those led headlights? Is the stator strong enough to power them?
They are just some cheap Amazon LED’s and he welded up that aluminum cage. The original Hisun 196 lighting coil ran them fine with just a bit of flicker at idle but the new motor doesn’t have a lighting coil so he is building a battery pack to power them.
@@OlympicOverland oh wow ok, I’ve been wanting to do a led on my Coleman but wasn’t sure if it was enough power, thanks a ton!!
@@jaycevessier7554 no problem! The Hella headlight on my bike was just an extra halogen I had laying around, it was higher wattage and it even powered that fine. The LED’s are way more efficient and draw less watts so you should be good.
What type of CVT transmission can I use?
Where did ya go that yhey carry the orange coleman minibikes at
Hi Chuck, I bought my Orange Coleman BT200X at a hardware & farm store called Coastal here in the Pacific Northwest. Tractor Supply may also carry them but I am not sure what colors they have. I have even heard that some Walmart’s have also been selling them but colors do vary. 👍
Add a tooth or two to the rear sprocket...👍
Yeah, a little extra power off the line never hurts! 👍
RAD
Thanks Dave!
When is "Mike Festiva" going to unveil his next project?
Mike’s projects are endless lol! He has been working on the 224 motor and tuning, lots of mini truck stuff and doing a bunch with some different mills lately but is always planning new builds so keep your eyes peeled 👌
Good afternoon. I will be glad if you help me. I really want a bt200x mini bike, but there are none in my region. I'm ready to do it myself. tell me please, do you have a drawing of the frame, AutoCAD?
Hello! Unfortunately I don’t have a CAD drawing of the BT200X frame. I think you should be able to get pretty close by scaling everything to match the wheel size or 196cc motor that is the same as any of the 6hp engines. A tubing bender would be helpful to get a nice corner radius. I’ve seen some really cool plans for older mini bikes online too, people we’re building some awesome designs in the 1960’s and 70’s. Cheers man and good luck! 👍
Thanks for the answer! In extreme cases, you can bend the frame yourself, according to the available pictures from the Internet. Good luck and a peaceful sky over your head! 🤝🏽
@@archi.001 I would love to check it out when you build it! Send a link when you finish it and let me know if you need any measurements from the frame or tubing when you get started. 👌
Hey bud, what did you get that fuel tank off of?
I like your rear fender, do you where it came off of?
Hi, the rear fender is an Acerbis Nost universal rear fender. They are available at most online moto dealers, are great quality, inexpensive and come in a lot of different colors. Lots of mounting options with these.
@@OlympicOverland thank you for the tip, I have a mega moto 212 pro and I don't care for the rear fender cut out not sure if you ever saw one. Once you do, you'll understand.
I'm doing the same thing any advice
Hi, you will need a larger crank bolt to hold your clutch (5/16”-24) & possibly different hardware to mount your TAV or original jackshaft plate depending on what motor you are replacing. Sometimes the side case plugs can get in the way (yellow on the Ghost) just turn it slightly or add spacers if it doesn’t fit. Sometimes you will have to bend or trim the cooling shroud but all of this is pretty easy. I would also recommend a decent chain, the stock one stretches pretty bad and the extra power from the motor upgrade will just make it stretch worse. 👍
@@OlympicOverland thank you and I just miss riding my last engine got parts stolen from it and I seen the predator was the cheapest engine
Do u have the stock jackshaft and centrifugal cluch
Yeah, my brother and I are still using the original jackshaft with a cheap Amazon clutch. It works well for the type of terrain that we ride and I like that it doesn’t have any drag on deceleration or limit higher RPM’s like most torque converters do. It’s not perfect but does work pretty well. 👌
What kind of clutch chain set set are you running??
My jack chain plate won’t fit with the new ghost on my bt200x Mods?
Hi, I have the stock jackshaft setup still with a cheap Amazon clutch. The plate is really close so you have to either rotate one of the fill plugs slightly or use thin spacer’s to get a bit of clearance. You could also sand one of the plugs down slightly but I was able to get it to fit by just rotating the plug that was hitting slightly.
Thanks man ! Appreciate you guys , building a orange bt200x with a ghost and trying to figure out if I should straight chain it or use a torque converter with a juggernaut 🤷♂️
Then I ran into clearance issues..
@@nooktwoii4705 your BT200x is going to rip! The torque converter’s are nice but so far the chain has been working and I like the freewheel coasting on deceleration with the standard centrifugal clutch but the overdrive and variable ratio of the TAV is handy. On my Ghost the lower yellow plug was causing my clearance issues so take a look at that and shim or twist it slightly. You could probably sand the plug down a bit as well. 👌
Thanks man.
You fellas gave me the ideas for the bikes !
MOB Mini bike races coming soon 🏁🏆🏁
@@nooktwoii4705 good times! 👍
Is that the vm22-133 carburetor?
Are you still running a jack shaft with the ghost predator?
Yeah, the jackshaft works pretty well for the terrain and type of riding that we do.
Did you use a fuel pump on the ghost?
No, it’s running gravity feed from the tank.
Yeeeee Hawww
😂👍👍👍
Where did you buy the orange coleman????
I need one.
Hi Ryan, they had a batch of the orange ones at Coastal hardware stores for awhile but I think color just varies depending on what ships from the factory because another local farm store had the black and red ones. I have seen a few used orange ones pop up near Seattle for sale too so keep an eye on Facebook Marketplace or Craigslist in your area. 👍
Hey man, did you swap your flywheel and eignition coil yet?
The weather has been terrible around here lately so not much mini biking going on but I will make a flywheel and coil update video soon 👍
@@OlympicOverland I really dig all the adventures you and your brother do! My brother and I got into mini bikes a few months back. We both have the ghost set up as well. So much fun! Thank you for your high quality videos. Stay safe out there man.
@@bradthompson4153 thanks Brad!
Are you still running the jackshaft and clutch on this
Hi Mitch, yes I am still using the Jackshaft and centrifugal clutch on this setup. We have used torque converter’s (TAV) before and they often limit higher RPM’s when they overdrive. I’ve heard good things about using the Juggernaut but they are expensive and sometimes can have reliability issues. I will probably try a TAV on this motor eventually but for the type of riding that my brother and I are doing the clutch/jackshaft works pretty good so far.
Where did u get that long back fender
Hi, it is an Acerbis Nost universal MX rear fender. They come in a bunch of colors, are well built, inexpensive and easy to install. I ordered mine online but most moto supply stores will have these.
What gas tank are you running?
Are you running a torque converter or a clutch?
CVT is my guest
Sprocket set-up?
Hi Joel, just stock gearing on the Coleman.
Man can u pls make me this same bulld ill definitely buy n pay for shipping im serious
I would build you a bike if I wasn’t so busy at the moment! I’m currently setting up another lightly modded hemi Predator 212 and busy keeping the fleet running ha ha. Let me know if you have any questions but you could totally build my setup for relatively cheap and the build is definitely part of the fun 👌
Ive got the orange and white mini bike it's a better frame
What is that truck?
The Kei truck is a 4wd Honda Acty Attack and there might be a shot or two of my Dodge Cummins custom camper build in there.
What rear fender is that?
It’s an Acerbis Nost rear fender.
Thank you Brother!
@@mzernial anytime! 👌
Anyone that needs closed caption "Birg dit her brat ada maha..." [muffled]
Ha ha!
The sound of that exhaust is addictive
@@samsnephew3209 music to my ears 😁
Mikuni carburetor
I’m thinking about trying a Mikuni flat slide next. I have a Tillotson carb to put on, basically a step up from the Chinese VM22 but pretty much leaning towards that flat slide!
How much hp
I think around 9
For all the money and time you have into them you could have bought a used dirt bike that would smash them,
I already own a Beta 300 2 stroke, XR350, XR650 and a Honda Grom. I’ve been riding all of my life and these little Coleman’s are just really fun in a great simple way that is just different from any of the other bikes that I have owned over the last 40 years. I think with the original purchase price of the bike, the Ghost 212 and a few random bits I’m in around $1200 but I’ve definitely had much more fun on it over the last couple of years than I had expected. They aren’t for everyone but I think most people that ride no matter what type of bike they are used to would recognize the value in how fun mini bikes are. Cheers 👍