Mühle Glashüte: The Woodpecker & The Regulator

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  • @johnbradshaw5900
    @johnbradshaw5900 4 года назад +7

    I think Muhl Glaschutte sit in a really nice sweet spot in terms of design and quality. They are not cheap but build quality is superb and they have a very tasteful and cohesive design language. In my opinion the design and quality do justify the price which is certainly not a given for luxury watch brands. I have a Teutonia Sport II KS and it is a beautiful watch which I adore. It's more elegant than a tool watch but feels much more solid than a dress watch.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  4 года назад +1

      I first ran across MG when I passed a watch store in Rostock, Germany ... it was closed at the time, but I started finding out about the brand, and they're well-priced and made ... and who doesn't like a woodpecker? Take care and be safe, Bill 😷

  • @Hans-Georg_Buddne
    @Hans-Georg_Buddne 3 года назад +3

    I think there are few watchmakers who are so honest about their base movements as Mühle. I really appreciate that and I love my Terrasport II

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  3 года назад +1

      Love Terrasport II with the cream dial. The Sellita SW 220-1modified with the woodpecker regulator is a definite upgrade, but I'm not sure what they mean by "branded oscillating weight.' On the balance? Do you know, Teldryn? Take care, Bill

    • @Hans-Georg_Buddne
      @Hans-Georg_Buddne 3 года назад +1

      @@watchartsci "branded oscillationg weight" refers to the in-house rotor in Mühle automatic movements, as far as I know.
      Another point about these MU movements: I have read that Sellita actually told Mühle to give their modified SW500 their own name, because with the introduction of the Mühle three-quarter plate in 2008 there was enough own innovation in the movement to make this appropriate.
      I have found this information in an article about Mühle in a German online watch magazine called "Neue Uhren" but it is only available in German.

    • @Hans-Georg_Buddne
      @Hans-Georg_Buddne 3 года назад +1

      @@watchartsci btw: thx for this great video! It is quite hard to find in-depth information about movements, especially about small brands like Mühle.

  • @peacockbro
    @peacockbro 4 года назад +6

    The MU9413 is a Mühle Caliber, because they replace and overhaul at least 60% of the original Selitta Movement. I think the Terrasport 1 Chronograph is actually good value for the money.
    I own some Mühle watches and love their mostly sporty understatement. It‘s actually the ideal every day watch for watch lovers, who don’t need to show off their Rolex everywhere and know about the value, because most people actually won’t recognize it compared to the typical Swiss luxury watches. I do like the Swiss watches, but it’s a way different competition for the small German watch making industry.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  4 года назад +1

      Hi Alexander, so if Mühle (or anyone else) does at least a 60% modification of a Sellita; it's considered brand-manufactured. As long as they detail what those modifications are, I'd go along with that. Take are and stay safe, Bill😷

    • @ohcaptainmycaptain3019
      @ohcaptainmycaptain3019 4 года назад

      Alexander, do you have the S.A.R? I'm very interested in this one. As an ex soldier I want a very tough watch aside from my G-shocks which can handle the knocks and won't need an annual service.

    • @peacockbro
      @peacockbro 4 года назад +2

      @@ohcaptainmycaptain3019 unfortunately the SAR Rescue Timer or Chronograph are not the type of watch I‘m interested in. But with the built in woodpecker adjustment (an evolution of the swan neck regulator, used in most Lange&Sons movements) all Mühle movements are quite robust. The watches in the SAR collection are super robust and permanently, every day tested by the German SAR rescue team.
      So if you like a robust, functional watch with an automatic mechanical movement, the SAR watches deliver what you need in an affordable price range.

  • @s3077769
    @s3077769 5 лет назад +4

    I wear the MG Lenova Chronograph pretty much every day. I thought it was an in house movement when I purchased it until I saw it on watchbase and realized it was a modified Sellita. It looks amazing to me, and I can get a pretty good price on a service which was actually a relief financially.
    It's hard to find good information on Muhle Glasshute, thanks Bill

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  5 лет назад +1

      My pleasure, Willie. A lot of the SW parts are interchangeable with ETA parts; so finding a watchmaker who can work on a Sellita should be relatively easy and inexpensive. Sounds like you like your Mühle Glashütte ... and that's all that really matters in the long run! Kindest regards, Bill

    • @Hans-Georg_Buddne
      @Hans-Georg_Buddne 3 года назад +1

      Im considering to buy a Lunova chronograph too right now. It would be my second Mühle watch. Can you recommend it?

  • @fatherscottalbergate
    @fatherscottalbergate 4 года назад +1

    I’ve been looking at MGs for the past year but only now came across your highly informative video. Thank you! Now I have an opportunity to make an intelligent purchasing decision. Cheers, Bill

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  4 года назад

      Glad it was helpful, Scott! Take care and be safe, Bill 😷

  • @jameshoward9700
    @jameshoward9700 4 года назад +3

    I have a Terrasport 2 - a nice honest watch that I got for a very good price and I use as my field watch. The price seems to be creeping up with a new distributer in the UK, but they do still make some interesting watches. I'm considering a Terrasport 3 for my wife - there are so few

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  4 года назад +1

      I really like the Terrasport II ... especially the cream dial with the leather strap. What is your opinion of MG's metal bracelets? Take care Bill

    • @jameshoward9700
      @jameshoward9700 4 года назад +1

      @@watchartsci Yes, I have the cream dial on leather. Very nice, though there is to my eyes a slight lume green tinge to the cream. I have no experience of the bracelets, but the metal on the case is nicely milled if that's any indication. The only bracelet I've held from MG is the SAR which is a very sturdy beast!

  • @richardjones2609
    @richardjones2609 4 года назад +2

    First time at your site, Bill. Excellent report and great information! Rarely see such and analysis of movements. Just learned of Muehle Glashuette a few months ago. Have been eyeing an MG Lunova Datum SW200-1 or Tag/Datum with SW220-1 as a daily wear watch.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  4 года назад

      Welcome Richard, and I'm glad to hear you enjoyed it. Let us know if you get the Lunova! Good hunting! Take care, Bill

    • @richardjones2609
      @richardjones2609 4 года назад

      @@watchartsci Thank you for responding, Bill. May I put you on the spot about the quality of the SW200-1 family? Concerned about their accuracy. Are they COSC certified or certified by the German counterpart to COSC? (I'm a Rolex guy and want something less conspicuous for daily wear that might approach Rolex accuracy but not cost a fortune.)

    • @mr.greenwi3177
      @mr.greenwi3177 2 года назад +1

      @@richardjones2609 they are really accurate. for mine it runs +4 secs at max

  • @petert3412
    @petert3412 5 лет назад +4

    Again. Uncovering the base movement provides the true value of the watch. Education can save you money in the watch world.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  5 лет назад

      Hey, Say It! Yes, but the most fun is really in the investigation of the watches! Cheers, Bill

    • @petert3412
      @petert3412 5 лет назад

      @@watchartsci just picked up a Segal st3600 with the winding Pinion that has the center screw . It was in a parnis 44mm pilots watch $42 on eBay new unused . Apparently this type of winding pinion design is as good as the ETA original . No issue with lateral movement with torque from the keyless. Runs at 4sec deviation . Happy with this. it also seems that there's an issue with Chinese parts being swapped out into ETA movements on service because of difficulty to achieve original ETA parts. Is this something you have noticed? in my research it also seems that some ETA parts are being moved into the seagull movements on repair. I have this watch as a desk clock at the moment winding it everyday and it will be interesting to see how it works as time goes by.

  • @richardjones2609
    @richardjones2609 2 года назад +1

    Just saw a response to my comment, so went back and watched this excellent video again. I ended up with a Lunova Datum (SW 400-1 movement). Not COSC-certified, but certainly accurate enough. Have not had it adjusted in the two years I have owned it. Great looking watch on the wrist! Dark gray subtle sunburst dial with with Arabic numerals make it incredibly legible. Great "daily driver" - which is what I wanted. Only complaint is that the power reserve is bit lacking - 36 to 38 hours tops.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  2 года назад

      Richard, that's the most important test of a watch-your personal satisfaction. Take care, Bill

    • @Mungo-Man
      @Mungo-Man 11 месяцев назад

      Just wondering how your Lunova Datum is holding up to the rigours of daily life?
      I'm seriously thinking about purchasing the day/date version and would appreciate you first hand experience with your Mühle.

  • @RichBuddy
    @RichBuddy 5 лет назад +2

    great compilation of watches to review Bill. we can pay a lot for the case around an ETA so when it came to selecting ETA watches for me, I selected something unusual to each manufacturer that I won't find in high luxury brands. Doxa has a patented bezel. Ball has tritium bulbs. Both about $2500 watches.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  5 лет назад

      Hey Rich Buddy, who doesn't love a Doxa! I have had a love for Doxas ever since that bright orange dial caught my eye. Ball and railroad watches seem to be inexorably linked. Now if I could only talk you into getting a Rolex...😉 Cheers, Bill

  • @seanparker5595
    @seanparker5595 5 лет назад +3

    Timely video - I am ruminating on the MG Panova. Their entry level watch but that blue dial looks sweet.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  5 лет назад

      Hey Sean, if you get the Panova, let me know how it works out. Kindest regards, Bill

  • @TexpatOTG
    @TexpatOTG 5 лет назад +5

    I've had a couple oh M-G watches. My favorite was a Teutonia II. Don't remember why I sold it ... wish I hadn't. ..

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  5 лет назад +1

      Hey TexPat, that's one of the most interesting testimonials to the quality of a watch I can imagine-'I wish I hadn't sold it.' Great hearing from you, Bill

  • @blueshirtbuddah1665
    @blueshirtbuddah1665 5 лет назад +4

    Great video Bill. When I saw these watches at WatchTime NY and took a closer look at them, they just didn't impress me that much. As always, like yourself, there is nothing wrong with using ETA or Selita movements, but just be up front about it and say so.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  5 лет назад

      Hi Bruce, I wish I had spent some time at the MG booth, but there were so many others that I was compelled to drool over! I do wish I had spent more time there as well! Cheers, Bill

  • @tugboathk
    @tugboathk 2 месяца назад +1

    Teutonia IV Moonphase looks very good but it looks VERY strange with the bracelet because the lugs and the links on the bracelet look the same :O

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  2 месяца назад

      Interesting observation, Tug. Take care, Bill

  • @ga9d
    @ga9d 5 лет назад +2

    Hi Bill. Here’s a thought. I can’t think of a more worthwhile trip than to head over to Glashütte for a tour of Lange, GO and Moritz Grossmann facilities. If you were there to curate and guide a number of your paying, loyal followers that would be very special. Thought I’d throw this idea out there.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  5 лет назад

      Hi Gunther, were I fluent in both English and German I'd be tempted. When I went to visit Rolf Lang in Dresden earlier this year, we had to communicate with two of his friends who were bi-lingual in both. Kindest regards, Bill

  • @jackpurcell274
    @jackpurcell274 5 лет назад +1

    It seems,to me just more of the same thing. Create a watch use pre-made movements, call them something else, charge whatever they can get away with. I love the exposure you provide, I learn do so much.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  5 лет назад +3

      Hi Jack, well MG is truthful about its lower priced watches with SW200-1 movements ... but it begins to muddle things once its MU calibers are declared and even more so with MG-Manufactured watches. The good thing is that this forces us to learn more about what makes the watch and deepen our appreciation of mechanical watches. Kindest regards, Bill

    • @Hans-Georg_Buddne
      @Hans-Georg_Buddne 3 года назад +1

      @@watchartsci the MU movements are very much modified. I think it is ok to give them their own name.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  3 года назад

      @@Hans-Georg_Buddne What other than their woodpecker regulated do they have? I like MG watches.

    • @Hans-Georg_Buddne
      @Hans-Georg_Buddne 3 года назад +1

      @@watchartsci they add their own three-quarter plate.
      They do not name the base calbiber sw500 on their website, but they list all the modificatons they did themselves. I think that is already more honest than most brands which give you no further information than their own name for a movement that has often not been modified at all.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  3 года назад +1

      @@Hans-Georg_BuddneIt wouldn't kill them to indicate that their base movement is a Sellita SW500 and list all of their modifications that shows they're doing more than just dropping in a 3rd party movement. Their prices are already reasonable enough to justify using Sellita movements (which actually aren't bad). Take care, Bill

  • @carrickrichards2457
    @carrickrichards2457 3 года назад +1

    Do Glashutte mainly source their movements from Selita?

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  3 года назад

      Carrick, I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised. Take care, Bill

  • @cedarcanoe
    @cedarcanoe 5 лет назад +1

    Any idea what the eta-equivalent is for the Sellita sw-400? Thanks for the video!

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  5 лет назад +2

      Erik it has the same architecture as the Valjoux 7750. So it's most likely based on the 7750 or an improvement on it. I've noticed that the SW 400 is growing in popularity. Cheers, Bill

    • @cedarcanoe
      @cedarcanoe 5 лет назад +1

      WatchArtSci SW500 is the Sellita version of eta 7750. Would be interesting to see a 3mm thinner 7750 called SW400 😊

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  5 лет назад

      Erik, you're right, but it's another SW based on the same Valjoux.. (Read the 'Description' here: watchbase.com/sellita/caliber/sw400-1 ) This is really interesting-it looks like the SW500 is the chronograph version (which the original 7750 is) and the SW400 is the version sans the chronograph but with the automatic movement. Now that's fun! Cheers, Bill

  • @markphillips2072
    @markphillips2072 5 лет назад +1

    See your point on the movements an the prices. I'm not so hung up as I use to be as long as the quality really good an the movement is a pretty decent one if I really like the watch an the price isn't ridicules I'll buy it .

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  5 лет назад +1

      Yes, Mark, that's a sensible approach. You like the watch, including the movement, why not? In a way, the sums up my 'sub-collection' of watches with Jaquet 736 movements. Cheers, Bill

  • @richarddavis7548
    @richarddavis7548 5 лет назад +1

    Thank you for another interesting video!

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  5 лет назад

      Richard, the pleasure is all mine! Kindest regards, Bill

  • @moreshwarpanchal2861
    @moreshwarpanchal2861 5 лет назад +2

    Hi
    Any views on Tutima glashutte

    • @everyones.shadow
      @everyones.shadow 5 лет назад

      Bill's video on Tutima is ruclips.net/video/Eh8X7asfKFY/видео.html

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  5 лет назад

      Hi Moreshwar, check out the link Jeremy Close provided- ( ruclips.net/video/Eh8X7asfKFY/видео.html ) and you'll see an interesting two-tiered watch! Kindest regards, Bill

    • @moreshwarpanchal2861
      @moreshwarpanchal2861 5 лет назад

      WatchArtSci thank you bill

  • @cedarcanoe
    @cedarcanoe 5 лет назад +1

    What watch were you wearing?

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  5 лет назад +2

      Hi Erik, it's a Lang & Heyne Friedrich II on an ostrich strap. I keep forgetting to show and tell the watch I'm wearing... Kindest regards, Bill

    • @cedarcanoe
      @cedarcanoe 5 лет назад +1

      WatchArtSci it is you that leatned me about Lang& Heyne, that company makes outstanding movements

  • @h111551
    @h111551 5 лет назад +2

    Bill, One of the family rose to a high position in the East German watch production apparatus which I take as nothing more than appreciation for talent. I only raise this as a segue into the following question: without the disruption of Communism, what would the Muhle family watch enterprise have looked like today? They have a cool world timer I have seen discounted for $1700. The family business originally specialized in the maritime chronometer field. Best regard, Howard and Minnie the wonder dog

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  5 лет назад

      Hi Howard, the deal for families of watchmakers during the Soviet occupation of East Germany was an iffy proposition. On the one hand, according to Soviet ideology,(specifically the edict of the VIII Congress of the United Social Party of Germany) the children of watchmakers could not become 'heretical' beneficiaries of their family positions and so could not become watchmakers-as was the case with Rolf Lang. However, like all dogma, exceptions are often made when necessity dictates. In the case of Rolf Lang, they decided that he could be trained in making precision mechanics and so ended up restoring watches for the Dresden Mathematical and Physics Society which included the watches and other mechanical automata that had been damaged and mostly destroyed in the Dresden bombing by British and Americans near the end of World War II. I would imagine a similar path was taken by a member of the Mühle family without the huge amount of restoration work by Lang. If you have any more details on the Mühle family watchmaking I'd really like to hear them, and I'll have a look myself. Thanks again! Kindest regards, Bill

  • @gilbertombp
    @gilbertombp 5 лет назад +2

    Interesting company indeed. Muhle Glashutte started out as a producer of precision measurement devices; perhaps wristwatches were a natural progression from that. They also have a history with marine instruments.
    At least you know you're getting Sellita movements from them, although they do modify them with the woodpecker regulator. I found the Seebattalion GMT, their new Teutonia Sport I chronograph, and the Robert Muhle Moonphase interesting.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  5 лет назад

      Gilberto; thanks for the historical update. By the way, tomorrow's LIVE streaming video is for my friends in Asia-it will be at 0930 (Eastern time) and 2230 (Manila time)... will that be ok for you? Hope to see you then! Cheers, Bill

    • @gilbertombp
      @gilbertombp 5 лет назад

      @@watchartsci Wow, I'll try to make it! Thanks, Bill.

  • @everyones.shadow
    @everyones.shadow 5 лет назад +1

    Thanks for the research, Bill. Very useful.
    Apropos of nothing I discovered an amusing watch with the features you like: large balance, manual wind, slow beat manufacture movement (1 Hz!) The Antoine Martin Slow-Runner
    www.hodinkee.com/articles/hands-on-with-the-antoine-martin-slow-runner-live-pics-video-pricing
    At first I was amused then thought it's actually a cool watch that I'd like to own (if I had the money). The company is defunct now but they made an interesting perpetual calendar too. One of the men behind the company is Martin Braun. That name rings a bell but I can't think from where. Do you know if he did anything interesting before or since? It's too common a name for Google to be much help.
    Thanks again. Jeremy

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  5 лет назад

      Thanks Jeremy-you are absolutely right; a watch after my own heart! Cheers, Bill

  • @thewatchloungechris
    @thewatchloungechris 5 лет назад +2

    It's funny you should post this vid I'm currently selling my Muhle Glashutte Rasmus 2000 :)

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  5 лет назад +1

      You can certainly reference this video to help potential buyers make an informed decision... if you'd like Watch Lounge... Cheers, Bill

  • @ga9d
    @ga9d 5 лет назад +1

    I’m fluent, problem solved! Think about it. It would be so cool.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  5 лет назад +1

      Be sure to include a side-trip to Dresden and visit Lang & Heyne, Rolf Lang and Stephan Kudoke! Kindest regards, Bill

  • @lawrencewaite4407
    @lawrencewaite4407 5 лет назад +1

    6498-97 the go to movment for the pretentious watch maker lol

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  5 лет назад +2

      You are so right, Lawrence! Those and the Sea-Gull ST 36's are the bread and butter of those in the elite La Société des Horlogers Prétentieux 🙄... cheers, Bill