The Difference Between Cheap Coilovers & Good Coilovers
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Today the Blue Miata gets new coilovers and we discuss the differences between ebay and good coilovers
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Just finished watching Chris Fixes video on coil overs
BigChief THE GREAT same
BigChief THE GREAT Me too (?
Ezsa
me
same aha
BigChief THE GREAT same
Why is he calling it the blue Miata if her name is molly ..... who are you and what did you do with the real gingium
Newer viewers won't recognize her as Molly, so blue Miata explains it to em.
The Kobester the institute...
Because Evan Shanks' fiance said naming cars was dumb ;(
Kiekerr lol
Pop a molly I’m sweating
first Chris fix now gingium
*youtube notification
AR12 just uploaded
Putting coil overs on my Subaru!!
Parkski gaming where is ar12 video? i cant see it
It's a joke
Parkski gaming i
Road Fast 171 a lil bit :(
Miguel Guerrero it's okay bro I have autism stage 5
i remember when you made the original coilover video and you said : "i have no ideea what i'm doing so that's why some friends will come to help me"
and now you are doing it yourself. not tryna be cringy but im proud of you and your channel.
dosent matter if you watched someone else or something like that . all it matters is that you know how to do it
keep up the great work and good luck !
Chrisfix
WTF do you know Chris fix
Boti Ianis yes
that's great
I am, gana subscribe
The BMW Drifter one thing, do you use your blinker
Shows 1/8" Steel mount and the 1/4" aluminum mount , says "its thicker, therefor it is stronger".
Same for sleeve at bottom.
Pre-loading the spring does NOT change the spring rate (the spring rate stays constant - Hooke's law). By pre-loading the spring it means that a greater force is needed to initially compress the spring a set amount, making it appear 'stiffer' compared to the unloaded spring. Nice video all the same. I agree that it's definitely worth saving up and spending a decent amount on better coilovers ¦8¬D
I love the note on the left red miata at the start lol "Get in, Shut up,Hold On"
11:55 spring preload does NOT change spring rate whatsoever. Yes it means you have to put more initial load on the spring before the spring starts to compress. But the weight of the car puts far more load on it than whatever preload you put on there. With the car's weight on the springs, the only thing that will change if you move the preload perches is the car's ride height - higher ride height if preload is increased, lower ride height if it's decreased. If you increase preload, and then shorten the shock body the same amount, ride height will be the same but you will have more compression travel, and less droop travel. And vice versa if you decrease preload and increase shock length, ride height remains the same but you will have less compression travel and more droop travel.
"We always shit" - Gingium 2017
14:54
I think I may be getting a Miata..... with no roof, 1 front fender, no dash, and no headlights..... but at least it runs.
Blake Ate My Console What are you paying for it?
1.99 lol
Do yourself a favor and get a nicer miata if you're gonna do really anything with it. If you're getting a car that 'just runs' do that with like a civic or something.
Blake Ate My Console don't be in a rush to buy a car you might regret getting. Find a cleaner one
Blake Ate My Console l
That garage is bigger then haggard's
Slightly Sideways Who gives a shit about Tj Hunt?
xMrMagic true that
Stfu about tj or he's gonna come butt fuck all of yoi
now he needs to get some decent brakes!
BackonRoll yep and good anti rolls than he's gonna be set lol
That's the one thing that annoys me lol
yessir
yup
Just blanks with a good set of pads
Nice to see more of the molly videos coming back again. Been here since the first few mods with molly, it has come a long way.
I'm actually considering getting my first car soon, and you've been a huge inspiration. I would've loved to get a miata but #tallpeopleproblems B(
Keep up the vids man, can't wait to see where this car will be in like a year from now.
OK, the real reason the Fortunes are riding better isn't because they are great shocks, or that the dampening is right, the difference is that the spring rates are high enough to keep the car off the bumpstops. That is why they feel better. The older set of cheap coilovers was letting you hit the bumpstops all the time because the spring rates were too soft for the limited amount of travel. The only reason the Fortune's feel better is that the spring rate is higher and keeping you from slamming into the bumpstops. You've been doing this enough to know that you should get real coilovers with better valving. The answer is always Xida.
Notification squad boi, love the vids keep it up been supporting you for ages now from South Wales in the UK
Anybody here just watch Chris Fix's coilover vid? and then I seen AR12 Im just like wtf😂
Anthony Swann same
Anthony Swann yeah...
Anthony Swann I saw them all but this is the first one I'm watching. then ChrisFix then AR12
Flamer5056
There's no AR12 coil over install
Jeriel Naj Estuaria I didnt say that, i just said AR12. I was referring to the doc verses lightning video
Just some extra info on those spring perches. They don't actually change the spring rates at all. The spring rates are essentially constant on those springs. You do however adjust where in the dampers' stroke the car sits at ride height.
I wish more people could explain car parts just like you, easy to understand and just going straight to the point
I have never used Fortune coilovers so I can't comment on them. After many years of autocrossing and owning a '94 Miata since new I have found Bilstein coilovers to be one of the best. The Fortune website says they dyno-tune all of their shocks before shipping them. If so, do they include a dyno sheet? This is very important if you autocross or track the car. The dyno sheet will tell you the performance as well as any differences between the shocks as for as tuning goes. I do like that Fortune uses a monotube shock and Swift springs, which are some of the best springs out there. And price for the set is very reasonable.
I suggest lifting the coil-overs as high as you can and drive them for a month or so and then lowering them gradually. That way you will get a good feel for which setting is best and they will naturally drop after a while as well.
You could make an extra pair of doors for the offroad Miata without any sheets on it. Just a frame with some bars for protection. And mirrors.
Recently helped a friend install Fortune Auto 500 Series on his 95 Miata and was very impressed. They're Ohlins quality for 1/2 the cost and hand built to order! Quality is better than pretty much every coilover I've experienced. I want to get them for my 2016 Miata and do a comparison video. Sadly, I'll probably end up doing FM springs over stock Bilsteins because $$$ instead of $$$$ unless Fortune Auto decides to hook me up like they did you?
$1400? I wouldn’t call that “not super expensive”
ImYoutubing247 These aren’t expensive relative to fat cats, ohlins, or xidas
Zakary Win ok
Sadly, very true, but still, expensive for most.
Holy shit! I remember subscribing to you at 40k subs and I also just saw that gingium has 222k and I assumed it was in the mid 100ks
Fuck, I was thinking about buying Fortune Auto recently, but I'm hesitant because the price...you're not making this easy!
TheAwkwardBanana I was too.. i bit the bullet and have no regrets. Great quality and ride is amazing on my s2k. You'll like it. Their customer service is 5 stars.
11:50 WTF are you on about, preload has nothing to do with spring rate!
It is a common opinion....... but as you said it's false 😄
what does preload do?
wow now that theres cars in the garage it does look pretty big
I had the sane coilovers. Even though they're softer rates, they're about on par in terms of ride/ performance as Megan ez streets. They did fine for daily and spirted driving. They're a little soft for the track though. I currently have a set of Vmaxx and they're wonderful.
I think you're Yonaka coils may have been damaged when you had to break free that adjustment knob. But the main thing with these coilovers is that they're aren't valved for a Miata. The shock valving is very generic which adds to the discomforting ride quality.
Molly sounds nice and hearing the turbo fluttering was beautiful.
Gingium, I don't care for Miatas, but yours is the most beautiful Miata I've ever seen and I love it!
Gingium i think a lot of us would love it if you started putting the song names in the videos or in the description. That would help a lot! Thanks man, Love your vids!
Does insurance cover you if you get in an accident with your aftermarket steering wheel? Thinking of buying one.
Tmichael if you call in and let them know you are changing it ya buuut your insurance will skyrocket
Tightening the 'pre-load' on the spring doesn't change the spring rate.
Also the old ones would have clicked and if you spin them enough one way the actual adjustor will unscrew from the piston rod
Good vid, one point of misinformation though. Changing preload has no effect on spring rates. Spring rates are static, all that is happening when you add preload is the point at which the spring begins to compress is slightly changed; beyond that point the compression is the same
If you click on the description link to the coil overs, you’ll find a section where it says these coil overs are intended for off road use only and may never be installed on a vehicle that is going on public roads...
I've ran my yanakas, jus like urs, for 60k miles as a daily with numerous track days with zero problems
Dont forget Evan shanks miata boi
it's really nice how you explain the little things, it helps for people like myself that are still learning 😄
the brapap plate needs to go on the rx-7
To make it easier to change your coils. take the sway bar links off and loosen the control arm bolts and the arm will drop
I think it depends on what eBay coil you’re talking about because some are actually pretty good for a cheap price you just have to do your research. it’s like anything else. You also have to remember a lot of these so-called Todd high-quality brand the coils are made in China in the same factory as the cheap ones
don't forget the slide !!!!
Now you need LSD, Sway bars, Control Arms, and tie rods. It'll be a beast drift Miata, but that's not its job. Lol
Hey Gingium I would get your wheel hubs brushed. All that corrosion makes a gap between the wheel and hub and can actually cause the wheel to come lose while driving and fly off. This has happend at my job a couple of times when lazy employees don't brush them. I know if you get your tires rotated at any discount tire they should brush both the hub and the back of the wheel for any corrosion. (If you wanna make sure it's done right call the discount tire in joilet on Jefferson street and ask for Ryan to do it.)
I went all out and bought Öhlins coilovers for my NA Miata, the difference is insane
Love this channel, watching it grow is fun
+Gingium I see you're wearing a Z31 300zx shirt and as an owner I appreciate that! I think I spotted one across the street from the shop, think you could show us around it real quick?
I've been watching your content for awhile now. seeing your editing, video making and modding skills grow, I really enjoy your vids. your personality has always been great and inviting. Thank you for giving me videos to look forward to. You're a great dood/channel.
long lug nuts would take the exact same amount of time as normal lug nuts. The stud length would determine how long it takes to tighten something down. just.... wow...
13:12 Finally. Correct ride height on Molly. Good job, bro. Absolutely perfect would be the front level with the slightly higher rear. But I wouldn't complain about making the rear completely level with the slightly lower front, either. Just not that zero wheel gap stuff you were working with before. That crapo sucked.
I'm wondering, how hard is it to clap in the same spot when you do those cuts? It's a really cool effect
You should have the tires on and the weight of the vehicle on the ground before tightening the coils not a huge deal but in theory the bushing is more stressed since it was torqued with the suspension at its full travel, unless your tires off the ground 🙃 when driving it will spend 99% of the time articulation up and down not just up.
YES! Finally new coilovers, this car needs them! :)
Good job on improving the 'clapping transition' when you took em out, better than the clicking one from before!
You've convinced me to swap out my Megan's for fortune auto
Preload does NOT charge the spring rate. It only reduces the travel.
Maybe put solid motor mounts on? That will increase the responsiveness tremendously. We put some coilovers, lightweight wheels, bigger brakes, racing seats, racing steering wheel, a different gear setup, and a supercharger on a little BMW 318ti. Perfect little track day car with perfect amount of power and extremely good handling. I will be posting videos of my stock car racing this summer and some dope vids of the little BMW. Subscribe!
Gave this video a like as soon as the "oh my racelands work perfectly, I'm the fastest at my track!" "No you're not" part. Lol
do not do that with your handbrake it is a stock handbrake the cable will Stracha and it won't be as good as it was
I do what I want m8
Gingium roasted
Yea, you're gonna Siracha your cables
9:45 Honda drivers *T R I G G E R E D*
They are not really cheap when you think about it. They cost about 1/6 of what I paid for my entire 2003 Miata even today. Miata performance parts are so expensive.
Where do you get your t shirts from?
Tuner Crate!
Gingium You need to put some new t shirts on your website.
I know Evan Shanks just got some Fortune Auto coilovers for his SC project. The swift springs are awesome, but pricey! Worth the extra cost?
Caleb I remember i subbed to you when you was at 11,000 sub and now your at 221,000 subs
or instead of the screwdriver use the wrenches that were supplied. Unless it states otherwise in the manual. I would assume that the screwdriver/hammer combo would slight damage the aluminum.
*not an expert* Just an idea regarding sway bars.. some Miata autocross people run no rear sway bar. It's a quick-n-dirty way of getting the car to rotate around the tighter corners. It's horrible for a daily - my '94 R came with a Racing Beat front and no rear. Reinstalled the OEM rear bar, it's much more stable at speed. Still pretty good out in the cones.
im glad you went from ricer to enthusiast! you're no longer a poser lol
Great to see install vids in the shop, awesome work Caleb!!
Went to bed after watching ChrisFix do a video about installing coilovers. Wake up to see a video of Gingium installing coilvers. Today's going to be a good day.
How did you work out the spring rates you went for did you do it properly and look at motion ratios and corner weights and do the math or just kind of guessed it based on other miatas
ChrisFix uploads video about Coilovers
Gingium uploads video about new Coilovers
Last Video:"Hey Guys, ChrisFix here" -Gingium at Drift Event while looking at a Mustang Drift Build
Gingium man! U got me foked, i told the police the speedlimit was a typo buh dey called da choppa and now im getting chased while typing this...
I love the direction your channel is going
mY RaCeLaNds WoRk FiNe i'M ThE FaStEst oNe aT mY tRaCk
(Insert spongebob meme here)
Trash meme
you should have left the doors off the rally miata, looked cool
that random blinker switch jump at 14.28
I think Gingium has a receding hairline.
I dont
I didn't expect you to reply :o
He's already got a girlfriend though.
I didn't mean to make you mad, i'm just putting it out there :(
actually came back to this video just to see how they compare to an ebay set, (I'm never buying ebay coils but still) but I'm getting them because I've only heard good things about them
Hahahahahahaha YES! “Oh my race lands work perfectly, I’m the fastest at the track” no your not, I’m sorry Dawg! Lololol 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂
first a new ChrisFix video, then my boi Caleb uploads a new video.....WHAT A GREAT THURSDAY :D!
Gingiums awesome he actually listened to us and put the doors back on
Where did you get your knowledge of how to work on cars? Did you have someone show you stuff or did you just RUclips stuff? I've always been curious
ChrisFix and Gingium seem to have their uploads tuned. First racing seats, now coilovers.
Hey guys, ging fix here
yeah the doors are back !!
and I have to say Moly is verry clean I like it a lot
Molly is still the best looking Miata I saw
Chris fix did something similar.....
MLG BARD Really? Cause ChrisFix made a tutorial.
does gingium lift his miata on the frame rails? it hurts me seeing that 😭
Ouch 😭
just got these and had the same experience. Incredible upgrade.
dude i love your shirt funny thing is i have that car. liked and subed ps where did u get the shirt
Imagine thinking Fortune Auto are actually good coilovers
your subs are creeping up there Gingium, almost passing Evan Shank.... Gang Shit homie!
I have fortune autos on my s2k. Great quality. Amazing coilovers and superb customer service. :)
Shettle...
look into corner balancing too. It'll set up the car perfectly
I also bought yonaka coils, but for my civic and they are now seized less than 6 months later lol
From personal experience, hand built does not mean great quality. Most of the time, just that it’s too small of a company to afford a machine (perhaps due to small production runs).
Lmao small company, you're talking about fortune auto right here...
I'd be more worried about the bushings going out before anything on the ebay coils lol
Love the Blue Miata...what rims/tires combo do you have? Also are you running any spacers etc? Thanks ahead of time for the response..and thx for the vid.