The 544 cam is incredibly intriguing. I have a 128 with the 474. I'm not sure how much I would gain without going up from the current 11:1 compression. Springs and the cam can be had pretty reasonably, but not sure what sort of benefit there would be without bumping up the compression.
Have owned 6 HD's and been riding them 15 years, but am very limited in my knowledge about the workings of the engines etc. love these types of videos where someone takes the time to explain , enjoyed the video. Thanks.
Nice build and great video, I have the same bike and about to do a 128 upgrade on it. Good to hear that you use OEM cam plate and oil pump with success. One less expense needed.. I have seen George B use it on his racing builds too.
Great to see you continually evolving with these builds Tommy. There are so many options for each customers requirements. I love seeing the different variants between the APE Builds and the SE 131 hybrids. For me I like the fact that they're actually rideable as a daily. Your knowledge and experience is an asset to customise individual wants. Needs and expectations. Keep up the great content mate
Cheers for the awesome feedback mate! Tried calling you back the other day after missing your call. Give me a call anytime at the shop or reach out over IG
Greetings from SC Awesome video quality and very well done. beautiful bike, I have a 18 M8 Fatboy but only a stage 2 with S&S 475. I bet the bike rips.
The Michelin tyres from back then were responsible for that. The Street 500, Lowrider S & Fatboy were well known for having that problem. Since going through that batch of tyres the problem has since gone away. Unfortunately for some, they had multiple sets of new tyres fitted without the issues being fixed as they were still getting the tyres from the bad batch.
another sic build mate. thanks for sharing. I've been looking at the new sport glide's. they are nice looking bike. but it looks like they only come out 107, disappointing.
Fun fact. The only cam plate & oil pumps I've seen fail are the Fueling Race plate & pump combo & the S&S pump & plate kit. The SE pump & plate kit is only new & I've only installed a few so far with no issues. Time will tell. The OEM 8 lobe oil pump & factory cam plate is honestly very capable & I have never seen one fail yet. I build these engines & do cam kits on a DAILY basis. Everyone's favourite American George Bryce runs the OEM pump & plate in his 180+hp Blue Five-O Road King build.
Love your videos and would love to do this to my FatBoy… I’m just curious… you mentioned something about the 2BR exhaust that seemed like it was limiting the bike somehow… I think you mentioned that about the exhaust on the other 131 you did… what exhaust do you recommend?
Question:. I am about done stroking my 88" dyna to a 107. Does it hurt to dyno right away or should I put a few hundred miles on it first with a base map to seat the rings? We don't see everything in your videos but it appears you always go straight to Dyno.
Great question Dave. So all my engine builds are obviously measured & set before & during assembly. After the first fire up & check over I let the bike cool off before 'heat cycling' the engine a few times. Heat cycles are carried out by letting the engine idle & warm up slowly to operating temperature then letting it cool off again giving the components time to expand & contract in a 'gentle' manner. From there, it's onto the dyno for tuning. I don't believe in 'running in' engines these days as the machining tolerances of all the components is so accurate, not to mention I check & set all the critical clearances during the build process. The term running in comes from (in my opinion) from earlier days when machining was not as accurate & some of the components had to literally 'wear' into other components to actually develop their own wear patterns like the old flat tappets from early V8 engines. In short though, No it's not harmful to a properly assembled engine to go straight on the dyno.
Schwing!!! My first Harley was a '97 Fat Boy so this title naturally sparked my interest. The rear tire on it was about a quarter of the width of the modern Fat Boys. Didn't see the primary tensioner on this build. Did you use an after-market? That cam has a nice sound at idle. I would love experience 150 ft. lbs of torque! Thanks for posting this sir!
The OEM primary chain tension is fine to use. They have come a long way over the last 10years. Check out this video of mine, I go into a small amount of detail about the OEM tension & how it works along with the clutch ruclips.net/video/0lFTC8s9sLU/видео.html
Not a fan of the TBR 2-1 pipes at all. They are far too small the M8 engine and always present that dip in the torque curve. The primary tubes are too short & deffinently too small in diameter to create enough velocity. This is the pipe that was already on the bike when it was brought to me. Customer loves the look, size & sound of it so he won't be changing it. I never recommend TBR 2-1 pipes. Always suggest D&D Fatcat or Lowcat for softails. Or the D&D Billet cat for tourers. . The Bassani Road rage HP 2-1 is another great option for a touring pipe.
All depends on how you like the engine to perform. 2-2 system keep the torque in down low but sacrifice top end HP. A good 2-1 system will provide great mid range and on HP. Some 2-1 pipes are better than others. The longer the 2-1 pipe the better it is (generally). The TBR 2-1 Pipe on this bike is too short for it and is why there is a small dip in the start of the torque curve.
@@MasterTechMiller What should the long bit of the 2-1 pipe be for best performance? The 2 pipes or the 1 pipe? Have you seen/used/discussed anti-reversion systems (as made by Thrashin') or lollipops (DK Customs) to overcome the dips?
@martinXY the whole pipe mate, both primary tubes & the collector/muffler section. Yeah I've mucked around with a few different ones over the years but haven't noticed a significant difference tbh
That's too much bike for you man and it's the wrong color anyways. You can leave it here with me so you don't hurt yourself. 😂 Just trying to help a brother out. 😂
Excellent video Tommy. That is one sweet ride with great power, thanks for taking the time to share. Ride safe, Cheers mate.
Thanks for watching.
The 544 cam is incredibly intriguing. I have a 128 with the 474. I'm not sure how much I would gain without going up from the current 11:1 compression. Springs and the cam can be had pretty reasonably, but not sure what sort of benefit there would be without bumping up the compression.
Interesting to see it’s still using a drive belt! Sounds awesome!
Have owned 6 HD's and been riding them 15 years, but am very limited in my knowledge about the workings of the engines etc. love these types of videos where someone takes the time to explain , enjoyed the video. Thanks.
Thanks for the awesome feedback and support 👍
Glad you enjoyed it.
That thing looks the business and most definitely sounds the business. Awesome job!!
Another gangsta build mate sounds absolutely tuff beautiful
Nice build and great video, I have the same bike and about to do a 128 upgrade on it. Good to hear that you use OEM cam plate and oil pump with success. One less expense needed.. I have seen George B use it on his racing builds too.
The newer 2020 & up oil pumps & cam plates are more capable than people give them credit.
Great to see you continually evolving with these builds Tommy. There are so many options for each customers requirements. I love seeing the different variants between the APE Builds and the SE 131 hybrids. For me I like the fact that they're actually rideable as a daily. Your knowledge and experience is an asset to customise individual wants. Needs and expectations. Keep up the great content mate
Cheers for the awesome feedback mate!
Tried calling you back the other day after missing your call. Give me a call anytime at the shop or reach out over IG
@@MasterTechMiller will do mate
I was on the plane
Nice build. I'll always be a bagger and Dyna builder, but I do appreciate that softtail FB build. 👍
Always good info here Tommy that's why you've got so many subs mate. Congrats
Wow, seems to bo a road monster! Good job, as usual. 👍🏻
Awesome build! Thanks for sharing!
Another GOOD Job Tommy.
Well Done Brother.
Thanks! Cheers for watching
Awesome Mate... job done good 🤘 nice smooth continual output..
This is a great channel, great info, and always killer builds!
Another nice build , nice power curve , well done !!
Thanks mate.
Greetings from SC
Awesome video quality and very well done. beautiful bike, I have a 18 M8 Fatboy but only a stage 2 with S&S 475. I bet the bike rips.
Thanks for watching
Great looking and sounding work of art.
Love the content, Great work.
Had the same bike, doesn’t matter how much torque or HP. When you hit 90 it always shook violently
The Michelin tyres from back then were responsible for that.
The Street 500, Lowrider S & Fatboy were well known for having that problem.
Since going through that batch of tyres the problem has since gone away. Unfortunately for some, they had multiple sets of new tyres fitted without the issues being fixed as they were still getting the tyres from the bad batch.
What do you use as your formula for calculating your ring gap? So builders like Bore size x .0045. Your Thoughts
Put a SE 131 on the Road Glide and it's sick.
another sic build mate. thanks for sharing. I've been looking at the new sport glide's. they are nice looking bike. but it looks like they only come out 107, disappointing.
Yeah that and the Softail Standard are the only 107ci from factory.
They are a really nice bike to ride though (SportGlide).
Stock cam plate and oil pump? High lift and 150hp??
Fun fact. The only cam plate & oil pumps I've seen fail are the Fueling Race plate & pump combo & the S&S pump & plate kit.
The SE pump & plate kit is only new & I've only installed a few so far with no issues. Time will tell.
The OEM 8 lobe oil pump & factory cam plate is honestly very capable & I have never seen one fail yet. I build these engines & do cam kits on a DAILY basis.
Everyone's favourite American George Bryce runs the OEM pump & plate in his 180+hp Blue Five-O Road King build.
Love your videos and would love to do this to my FatBoy…
I’m just curious… you mentioned something about the 2BR exhaust that seemed like it was limiting the bike somehow… I think you mentioned that about the exhaust on the other 131 you did… what exhaust do you recommend?
For the bigger bore builds I suggest either the D&D Lowcat or the D&D Fatcat. Depending on what you like the look of.
Hi Tommy did you tune this with Powervision ?
Direct Link
Beautiful and informative Thanks
Will I be able to pass a gas station ?
For sure
Have you ever ran a .030 head gasket in a 131 with 521 fueling cam?
No not yet
Question:. I am about done stroking my 88" dyna to a 107. Does it hurt to dyno right away or should I put a few hundred miles on it first with a base map to seat the rings? We don't see everything in your videos but it appears you always go straight to Dyno.
Great question Dave.
So all my engine builds are obviously measured & set before & during assembly.
After the first fire up & check over I let the bike cool off before 'heat cycling' the engine a few times.
Heat cycles are carried out by letting the engine idle & warm up slowly to operating temperature then letting it cool off again giving the components time to expand & contract in a 'gentle' manner.
From there, it's onto the dyno for tuning.
I don't believe in 'running in' engines these days as the machining tolerances of all the components is so accurate, not to mention I check & set all the critical clearances during the build process.
The term running in comes from (in my opinion) from earlier days when machining was not as accurate & some of the components had to literally 'wear' into other components to actually develop their own wear patterns like the old flat tappets from early V8 engines.
In short though, No it's not harmful to a properly assembled engine to go straight on the dyno.
can u tell me the name of the pistons and do they make those for a 114ci? my thought is building better instead of bigger.
Pistons are manufactured by CP Carrillo
There is a high comp option from them for the 114ci I believe. Have a look at the website
@@MasterTechMiller thanks for getting back
Schwing!!! My first Harley was a '97 Fat Boy so this title naturally sparked my interest. The rear tire on it was about a quarter of the width of the modern Fat Boys. Didn't see the primary tensioner on this build. Did you use an after-market? That cam has a nice sound at idle. I would love experience 150 ft. lbs of torque! Thanks for posting this sir!
The OEM primary chain tension is fine to use. They have come a long way over the last 10years.
Check out this video of mine, I go into a small amount of detail about the OEM tension & how it works along with the clutch ruclips.net/video/0lFTC8s9sLU/видео.html
So what did you gap the top ring and 2nd ring?
I can't give away all my secrets mate
How do you like the tbr exhaust compared to the others you've tested?
Not a fan of the TBR 2-1 pipes at all. They are far too small the M8 engine and always present that dip in the torque curve. The primary tubes are too short & deffinently too small in diameter to create enough velocity.
This is the pipe that was already on the bike when it was brought to me. Customer loves the look, size & sound of it so he won't be changing it.
I never recommend TBR 2-1 pipes.
Always suggest D&D Fatcat or Lowcat for softails. Or the D&D Billet cat for tourers. .
The Bassani Road rage HP 2-1 is another great option for a touring pipe.
Great video tommy what was the corrected compression with the 44 intake
close with that rocket cam and stfu 12.1 pistons
10.85:1
@@MasterTechMiller ok thanks
what is your thought about the s&s super street pipe
It's not a bad pipe that's for sure. I've tuned a few setups with that pipe. If I'm honest, I'd much rather the D&D Lowcat 2-1
@@MasterTechMiller Honestly is always the best answer. Thank you for getting back.
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How tall are those bars, they look great on the bike. Great video
14 inch high, 2inch thick
What model year is this fanboy?
2020
It's a 30th Anniversary edition. 1 of only 2500 on the Planet
What's better mate. 2into1 or a 2 in to 2
All depends on how you like the engine to perform. 2-2 system keep the torque in down low but sacrifice top end HP.
A good 2-1 system will provide great mid range and on HP.
Some 2-1 pipes are better than others. The longer the 2-1 pipe the better it is (generally).
The TBR 2-1 Pipe on this bike is too short for it and is why there is a small dip in the start of the torque curve.
@@MasterTechMiller What should the long bit of the 2-1 pipe be for best performance? The 2 pipes or the 1 pipe? Have you seen/used/discussed anti-reversion systems (as made by Thrashin') or lollipops (DK Customs) to overcome the dips?
@martinXY the whole pipe mate, both primary tubes & the collector/muffler section.
Yeah I've mucked around with a few different ones over the years but haven't noticed a significant difference tbh
What's your personal preference when it comes to 2 into 2 set up, like what brand would you advise?
@wiremu Perry Freedom make the best 2-2 pipes in my opinion & based off Dyno result. They make 2 options, Radical radius & sharp curve radius
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That's too much bike for you man and it's the wrong color anyways. You can leave it here with me so you don't hurt yourself. 😂
Just trying to help a brother out. 😂
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