Street Epistemology: Delia | Catholic Questions Atheism (Rock of Comfort)
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2019
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Summary: Delia and I explore what it's like to question our beliefs, and the pros and cons of doing so.
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Recorded: 23 August 2019
Released: 18 October 2019
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Intro (very suspense): 00:01
Explanation: 00:54, 05:09, 07:21
Rapport-Building: 01:47
Storytelling: 04:35
Repeating: 05:42, 06:12, 06:24, 08:26, 09:31, 11:10, 15:26
Justification (Why): 06:37, 07:01
Challenging: 07:57, 10:30, 12:33, 14:46, 15:14, 16:26
Valuating: 08:21, 08:57, 12:22
Wondering: 09:18, 14:06, 20:04
Agreeing: 10:02
Clarifying: 12:05, 18:43
Visualizing: 17:15, 19:17
Warning: 18:26
Questions for Me: 20:47, 22:44
Mirroring: 22:36
Re-Cap: 25:29
Outro: 27:58
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Mistakes: In retrospect, I think asking Delia if she wanted to be a "questioner" or "sing the songs" may have framed her options as binary, when it didn't have to be. I also think this metaphor could have been problematic because she earlier said she was studying music, likely something she greatly enjoys. Suggesting (even remotely) that she might have to give up music to progress forward I think was a gaffe on my part. Sorry also about the noise. While we both likely understand that I have no control over the background noise in this spot, I am sorry for the challenging audio. Something that comes with filming in public, I suppose.
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Skip ahead to a desired point in the talk:
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Intro (very suspense): 00:01
Explanation: 00:54, 05:09, 07:21
Rapport-Building: 01:47
Storytelling: 04:35
Repeating: 05:42, 06:12, 06:24, 08:26, 09:31, 11:10, 15:26
Justification (Why): 06:37, 07:01
Challenging: 07:57, 10:30, 12:33, 14:46, 15:14, 16:26
Valuating: 08:21, 08:57, 12:22
Wondering: 09:18, 14:06, 20:04
Agreeing: 10:02
Clarifying: 12:05, 18:43
Visualizing: 17:15, 19:17
Warning: 18:26
Questions for Me: 20:47, 22:44
Mirroring: 22:36
Re-Cap: 25:29
Outro: 27:58
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Delia, will be a good person to be a logical thinker because her skepticism is fresh and reassuring.
22:00 for a fraction of a second: an old photo of Anthony
Dude did you write the manual on this? Or is this from something you studied? It's interesting how you break down the conversation. Please let me know! Thank you!
TheShubLub I read a book about the concept and then set out to practice it. There are a few videos in a Playlist of me giving talks on the subject under Presentations. Thanks for watching.
Great, great talk and loving the expanded camera angles and editing!!
The tuba opening is definitely the shit dude!! Very cool. 👍
"Would you want to know if it's true?"
"No! Of course not!"
Most honest moment in SE.
People do NOT want to really know what is true, they want to be able to convince people who are similarly indoctrinated, that they are in the same club else fear they will think they have no moral compass - which they have been conditioned to think can only come from this goat herders guide to the universe!
Bob Smith religion of atheism? 🧐
Bob Smith yea a bit. but atheism itself isn't a belief system or world view. it does not necessarily depend on science. it is simply a lack of belief on one question. furthermore, there are atheists that hold beliefs that contradict science, logic and reason. there are atheists that believe in ghosts, souls, spirits, and mythical creatures.
Bob Smith gotta be honest i didn't read all of your comment because the first sentence stopped me. you're starting from a false premise. there simply is not an "atheist worldview". atheists believe many different things and yes many believe similar things but that is completely separate to the question of atheism. you agree on the definition of atheism therefore by your own admission you are arguing against something that is not atheism. you cant acknowledge the correct definition and then disregard it because it doesn't jive with your argument.
i agree that we all as fallible people believe things for bad reasons all the time but that is a separate issue.
and no i have not heard of the shroud of turin.
Bob Smith i think most informed atheists (there are plenty of atheists that don't know they are atheists or just never think about it all) would agree with the definition i used but you'd have to ask everyone individually.
words have usages and not intrinsic meanings. so your question of proving it to be the "real definition" seems to be quite disingenuous. and then that begs the question of what definition you're using for the word "religion".
what do YOU call someone that doesn't believe in any god or gods?
yea it is a free country.
I like her. She has an honest, open mind. It's obvious she is reflective and is really curious. She'll go places.
Yes! like back to church!
john d. shultz amen to that brother!
Praise the Lord Nyanko!
The Cat God!
@@johnd.shultz7423 she may, but maybe not. She's open-minded enough to perhaps work her way out of religion.
“D-e-l-i-a, except I pronounce the “e” like an “i”. Then why not just use a fucking “I”?!
Listening to Delia, a thought struck me. Unless you question your "rock", you will get unlimited comfort from it. But once you have the smallest doubt, your "rock of comfort" can turn into "rock of torment". It sure was for me, until I abandoned religion and belief in deity.
I struggled for years because I tried to hold on to my religion. I no longer need the comfort as much because I no longer have nearly as much to fear like when I attempted to hold on to my beliefs.
Pet rocks are one of the best pets ever. There's that
@@dwo356 exactly. Ignorance is bliss. Only as long there is no insight into the ignorance.
As a Catholic myself who had gone through the phase she's in right now, and I made the same mistake she's making - trying to figure out answers solely on my own rather than asking the right people. She should go to RCIA and get proper teaching, or simply study the Catechism of the Catholic Church which is freely available online. Catholic encyclopedia is also available online for free.
@@dwo356
What is it exactly that you fear?
She’s being very honest about her thoughts and feelings. It’s not something I see a lot but it sure gives me hope. Excellent conversation!
Hope of what exactly?
@@Lerian_V Honesty is a good thing don't you agree? People rarely can explore honestly all sides of a topic they are emotionally invested in, especially with strangers.
Lerian V hope that it’s not just a bunch of dishonest people out there.
@@christopherperkins8154 Hope and Hopelessness create and sustain each other=drop Both and embrace clarity.
@@Lerian_V Correct! without a long term follow up over a period of years how can one possibly know what the interviewed person will do.perhaps dig in deeper to hold on to their chosen belief system? being hopefull doesnt change reality...
Best mantra ever. "I'd rather not know, than pretend to know."
This is like the core tenet of my existence 👍
But she is pretending to know to avoid questioning if there is sufficient reason to believe in it.
Delia is a delightful and intelligent woman; doxastically open, a great listener, respectful, a clear communicator! Nice talk. She would be a great person to conduct SE.
"intelligent woman" Haha.
@Unintended Consequences
You seem to me like you might be an atheist, are you one? If so why did you become or decide to call yourself an atheist? What kind of atheist are you exactly? What really sells you on that?
Do you believe your life, body, family and the ground you walk on are all a gift or something else? If you believe they are all something else then what do you think they all are then?
@@j0hncon5tantine No one is "sold" on the idea of being an atheist. It's that they're NOT sold on being a theist. Look up what it means to have a "burden of proof." We hold the position of the null hypothesis in the matter. You claim the null hypothesis is incorrect. Therefore, it is YOUR JOB to show us why it's incorrect. If your evidence fails to convince us, we have no choice but to stick with the null.
@Unintended Consequences I could be totally wrong here, but I think what Swedish Otaku was laughing at here is the idea of calling her intelligent, not the idea that intelligent women exist. Calling her intelligent is clearly problematic when she's openly admitted that she wouldn't want to know if god didn't exist. Intelligent people don't stick their heads in the sand when confronted with reality.
@@benjaminburgess7928
No one is "sold" on the idea of being an atheist. It's that they're NOT sold on being a theist.
(It is a figure of speech....)
Look up what it means to have a "burden of proof."
(I knew what that meant already thank you very much....)
We hold the position of the null hypothesis in the matter.
(No definition of atheism nor any explanation I have seen either of it has ever used "null hypothesis" to describe it, atheism is never described as a guess nor that it is educated/ a hypothesis at all.... new age atheism which is described in error as not requiring the burden of proof because it does not make a positive claim has two big issues that go against that idea...
1. You infer or insinuate a claim when you say "lack belief", if I say that I "lack belief" that a certain race is equal to my own, I still am making a claim that has a burden of proof and I would still be considered a racist, no matter how you try to dress up atheism it still makes a claim!!!
2. Negative claims have burdens of proof just like positive claims, If I say I lack belief that there are cars parked outside when usually there are cars parked, I still have the burden to prove my claim... the burden is always equal on both sides, any atheist who says any different is an idiot....)
You claim the null hypothesis is incorrect. Therefore, it is YOUR JOB to show us why it's incorrect. If your evidence fails to convince us, we have no choice but to stick with the null.
(Give me real, great, miraculous evidence for every thing you atheists "usually" replace God with....
"popular main stream educational secular origin ideas" =
"something coming from nothing out of nowhere with no reason or cause"(BIG BANG as explained in textbooks), "life coming from non life"(Abiogenesis) with no help or cause, "brand new original body parts/ organs forming on an organism in any amount of time and steps" by themselves, and "all living organisms on Earth being generationally related" to each other. As well as the fact that you "may" believe you and I are ancestrally related to a flea!?!"(DARWINS EVOLUTION)
I can't be like you unless you show me a miracle that proves all these for a fact... I need a MIRACLE!!! And I have yet to see it....
If you want me to show you proof for God I will be happy to show you and explain it to you......... but remember, there is a big reason I cannot be like you, no one has showed me a miracle that proves all these above, therefore I cannot be convinced....)
I got a chuckle from the statement:
"I don't want to have an existential crisis when I'm trying to go to sleep."
Edit: overall, a really nice conversation
questionning about himself and his beliefs is the straight and more easy way to be better. It's a belief but i've some argument. I see more struggling in being in a false view of the world than to be open to a solid based explanation...in others words living in reality rather than an imaginary world. it's called understanding or knowledge and i'm sure many here saw my points with no need i've to show them. I could and do sometimes but it's a tireless and never ending thing to do as superstitoin and fake and intellectual dishonnesty are so much spread in our only world we are dwelling in. Still is usefeull as lobby of those who claim bulls**t are so many and so power hungy proselites evil beast in fact, even with good intentions...way to hell is built with good intentions. Heard it somewhere and make a lot of sense when it come to religion, accepting hell as a negative symbol(in in selves of in the society we'ce commit to make) on your mortal plane of live and not some fantsay novel story.
I really admire Delia's honesty, openness, clarity, and wisdom regarding human nature. She'd make a good friend.
I can relate so much to what she says in this video. It's scary to imagine losing your source of comfort and having to find a new one. Just three years ago, I found out that the Mormon Church I'd been raised in wasn't true, and it was devastating just as she described it would be. I've shared that story on my channel. Even three years later I'm still in a place sort of floundering for that missing comfort. Even though I know it was me who gave me the comfort all along, part of the comfort also came from the belief that it was coming from outside of me. It's almost like it's not good enough if it comes from our self. That's what I made my most recent video about. Super fascinating concepts. Thank you so much for sharing.
I hope you're gradually finding new ways to find comfort - in community, in actions, and/or whatever else.
Also, I wonder if you might appreciate the "Forsaking Faith" podcast/channel: ruclips.net/channel/UCDDHOGqfsTlL0MftIFoaBpg ... And thanks for sharing your story! Added to Watch Later. :)
Hey, interesting seeing you here, I enjoy your videos. I hope you are doing well, best wishes.
Check out recovering from religion
Have you checked the Optimistic Nihilism video from the Kurzgesagt channel?
Maybe look into the athirst society of Austin. It's incredible what a Sense of community can accomplish. Spend time talking to people like yourself, you may find that comfort you're looking for.
They have a community on discord
“I want to see people for who they are and not for their beliefs.” I really appreciate this sentiment.
Wow. What a stark contrast between the Ray comfort style street epistemology videos. This was an actual conversation instead of a heavily edited series of gotcha questions.
Ray's a dishonest scam artist. He's not doing street epistemology, he's trying to sucker the inexperienced into following his twisted logic and make them think he's got a point or knows wtf he's talking about.
Ray Comfort like many Christians is only interested to show by whatever dishonest, fallacious means the presentation of everybody as dirty, debauched sinners who's very nature is evil and in need of repentance to Jesus and if they don't they are going to suffer for eternity in a chamber of torment specifically designed by their God even though the crimes are finite and this being is all powerful. The sadism and insanity is off the scale.
@@comradegotogulag8513 Agree. I just can’t decide whether he actually believes this or it’s just a way to sell his products or whether it’s some perverted pleasure he derives from talking to people about what he considers their indiscretions. I’m beginning to think it’s the last. There’s something bizarre about his demeanor and his posts especially when he talking about premarital sex, porn, or homosexuality. I would guess that his engagements on these subjects is a way for him to entertain those thoughts and still disavow them simultaneously.
I wasn't bothered by the insects or passers-by much at all. I'd just ignore all that. if the conversation is engaging everything else will fade away.
Agreed.
I never find it nessesary for you to include pop-up banners apologizing for background noise. Honestly, the banner is more distracting than the actual noise. Just keep on doing your thing, most of us are engaged in the conversation and tend to tone out the background noise.
This interview brings a quote from Ernest Hemingway to mind;
"All intelligent, and intellectually honest, people eventually arrive at atheism."
She's halfway there.
makes me wonder where she is now
What an inane and demonstrably untrue quote.
The dramatic tubas killed me, great intro!!
WHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THE INTRO?
It was the most hilarious thing I've seen today!
I was skeptical when she said she wouldn’t want to know if the rock didn’t exist. She later clarified that she questioned herself daily.
Excellent video.
So, not only is she stupid, but she also contradicts herself. That's a mark against her, not one in her favor.
Benjamin Burgess Why do you say that?
It seems ridiculous to not want to know the truth, but I think she understood the question differently.
I think she means, if she could have the opportunity to have no doubts, she would want it. It's like taking the blue pill. Maybe it's in-honorable to take the blue pill, but it's not irrational.
Would you want to believe that an angel protects you, if you were able to ignore that you don't have any evidence? If you don't believe in a guardian angel, you are neither safer nor unsafer, but you get the additional problem of worrying more.
Say, you visit Australia. There is the possibility that there is a deadly spider in your bedroom that you can do nothing about, would you want to know that there is one? You would definitely want to know if there is no spider, but if you knew there is a spider, you wouldn't be any safer (as per scenario), but you would also have to be dreadful. I think here actually, getting to know the truth is better than one could think, because you would have to worry a bit anyway as long as you don't know if there is a spider or not.
If you think a life without god and heaven would be bad, then how would a life be where god would exist with 50% certainty? Maybe better than a life where you know for certain god doesn't exist?
Personally I only really understood as an adult that me accepting a fact or not doesn't change reality. Maybe that plays into her answer.
... Or maybe she just misunderstood the question as "Would you like for there to be no good reasons for god to exist?"
Either way, I don't think she is stupid. You don't find contradictions in your construct of ideas by thinking hard. I think you have to stumble upon them, or be pointed to them by others.
@@doctorshell7118 Becase if you Really watch the video its clear to see shes lost in belifism of the worst kind i.e catholicism, yet wavers off into spurious new agey concepts like karma and mantras etc .Its Obvious she hasnt learned to think for herself at all....
I annoys me how much atheists dismiss the pain theists go through. They think they want to believe it just to believe it because it's intellectually lazy and see everyone around them does it.
I'll put it like, if you think we humans are nothing but logical processing machines, go tell someone with cancer you're gonna die in 2 months. He will eventually receive the news, but you don't put it in a one sentence; you have to water it down in at least 4-5 days. You don't understand human psychology. If you got an addict and he knew his addiction is really damaging and not just a social distaste like video games or escapism. Through 5 of peer reviewed papers instead of reasoning bit by bit, keeping emotions and feelings, yes feelings, into consideration, and see how you effective you get with convincing them to change their minds. "Here are 5 papers proving your addiction is gonna make you miserable, will ruin your relationships, and raise your blood pressure. Do it now or else you're irrational being."
Remain un-empathetic and arrogant like this and see how many change their minds. We are emotional beings as well. That doesn't make our beliefs any more true, but if you don't understand human nature, how we are attached to our beliefs and even how much of an upside down the world (regardless of them accepting us and feeling we're part of religious community or not) flips, you ain't gonna change anyone's mind. And not all ex-theists felt the same about their beliefs. Many believed it as a community thing, but felt nothing like how others were really were believing about god, justice and purpose in life. Rationally it is unjustified, but as human beings with emotional side in us, it's a part we're attached to, and questioning of which is as close to hanging in air as it sounds.
If you want to mock theists for believing irrational things, go ahead. But I'm telling you, you ain't gonna change anyone's mind with mockery and (be rational and use evidence to believe anything; I mean, look at me. I'm a rational being who only believes with evidence). You have the right to say what you want to say, but if you want productive conversations and change of minds, this ain't the way.
I have to agree: that was an amazing talk. She didn't always have the _best_ answers, but I think she gave very _honest_ ones which in such a conversation might well even be more beneficial. And generally her attitude was just delightful. I hope she comes back for another round.
It kind of sounds like Delia has already come to a conclusion but is struggling to accept it and finding the ramifications too frightening. I so badly want you to tell her about things like The Clergy Project and let her know she's not alone, but I know that you're focused on epistemology rather than deconversion. I just feel bad seeing her go through this and thinking she may be alone. Hopefully she reads this, watches some videos and discovers some of the community around her. Delia, if you do read this, ask Anthony for some contacts and watch some of his other conversations.
Anthony, I love the extra production effort put into this but 2 months is too long to make me wait between videos. JK I actually appreciate that you do this at all. You always leave me wanting more. I hope to hear back from Delia one day and, if you ever see Maritza again, I hope to get an update on her as well.
Deconversion isn't what she needs, rather, learning and understanding her belief. I'm Catholic and I can relate with her current struggle. Her issue is quite easy to fix - read the Catechism, or go to RCIA classes and get those doubt cleared. She can hardly ask any new question that hasn't been answered by the Church's 2000 years rich history. Information is power, let's not stop seeking truth.
@@Lerian_V Who are you to tell Delia what she needs???? You say information is power, yet you believe in lies created to control, oppress, influence and provide wealth to those in authority. You think you know the 'truth' so you feel emboldened to push your 'truth' onto others. Have you considered the possibility that you do not know the truth? People that impose their beliefs on others, as you do, are reprehensible. You are trying to convince Delia NOT to question her belief system but to go back to those who would manipulate her back into believing in the lies. Just because you weren't able to accept reality, does not mean that she, nor anyone else, isn't able to.
@@io1497 I don't tell theists what they need, I point out what they are. I reframe their beliefs in a more accurate narrative. I expose the cognitive dissonance of a loving, fatherly god and one which will torture some of his kids for eternity. I make them have to fight to stay deluded. We all have the right to any belief we want. And we also have the -right- obligation to point out ridiculous beliefs. Especially when they have an affect on society like cults do.
Personally, I'm done dancing around the issue. If there was a even speck of evidence to support any god claim, we would all know about it. There are no fucking gods. Accept the truth and let's move forward without this ridiculous superstitious nonsense about gods. Theists don't deserve respect. They've earned disdain. For fighting to stay stupid in a time when the knowledge of the world is literally at our fingers. Now if they start valuing facts, like this girl, they deserve our encouragement.
"@@io1497" Who are You to tell Delia what she needs?"You.re doing the Exact same thing! You,re trying to push your pathological religionism= catholicism- which has a proven Serious issue with pedophilia( and then trying to hide those offending clergy) Your religion is a diseased power -drunk Institution that needs to be dismantled.
There’s very little SE in this thread...
This is such a great conversation. I suffered from cognitive dissonance daily during my 50+ years of Catholicism. Now I have a better sense of reality and derive comfort from my inner strength and the goodwill of other people in my life.
Great job Laura, takes tremendous strength
My rock of comfort: "The stars don't care whether we win or lose, live or die."
Lol right? I've tried to understand what theist go through when the idea of 'nothing' comes to mind.
@@alandgomez5905 What do you mean? Nothing means no thing... a lack of existence.
@@Lerian_V The after life or just life in general.
@Phelan Lando or G'Kar? I'll go with Lando
16:52 This resonated with me SO much. The last time I went to church for a service (that wasn't a wedding or funeral) was nearly 4 years ago Christmas morning. I had been slowly questioning my beliefs over the course of 4 years and that morning the ticking clock on my belief struck midnight. I couldn't even sing the hymns because I felt like a fraud sitting among my peers on one of the most important days of our tradition. I nearly had a full blown panic attack sitting there. The very next Sunday morning I told my mom I wouldn't be going to church again.
Did anybody notice the mini "breakthrough" she had in her mind, when she mirrored Anthony's hand movements at 22:40 ? Right there it seems like Delia realized that she truly is not alone in questioning her faith, while realizing that it's OK if you don't believe simply for the sake of believing. Goood for you, Delia! Keep questioning, learning, and finding new ways to positively react with this world. Fascinating.
I want to know the truth even if it is unflattering/uncomfortable. The truth has options. The truth also has less anxiety because you know where you stand and what to expect.
What if the truth is that we live in a 100% natural universe that is unguided by any unnatural, intelligent force? Why would that lead you to believe that you can know what to expect?
Troy Drury We can know what to expect by taking reality at face value and apply the scientific/epistemology methods to make very reliable predictions about likely outcomes.
Fairytales don’t have this power.
Question 1: observable reality
Question 2: hypothesis, test and analyze results
@@PigRipperLAW How does that lead you to validly predict the future? Especially since nothing in history is falsifiable.
Troy Drury It’s the scientific method that allows us to make reasonable predictions about future states/events/phenomena. Once you have proved your hypothesis, you have a theory which is an explanation of how things work. If you know how things work then you know what’s going to happen. For example if you mix two chemicals together you know what’s going to happen. That’s pretty much true of everything. I have no idea why you brought up history I’m talking about the future.
@@PigRipperLAW No, it's not true of EVERYTHING. For example, the logical laws, metaphysical truth, mathematical laws, science, etc. How in the world are you going to try to predict the future without a historical basis? That's why I brought up history. But I'll stop beating around the bush. My point is that I can use SE (especially on an untrained person) to show that everyone believes things that are impossible to prove scientifically that we are all rational to believe. For example, I believe it is morally wrong to rape a baby. Can I do an experiment to prove it? No I can't. But neither can I do an experiment to prove any mathematical laws because science presupposes mathematical laws.
Well, don't keep us in suspense: Did she find the office she was looking for?!?! ;)
No she still walking around the town.
@@vashnanerada8757 Lol
😁
legend has it she's still searching to this day
"I'ts more comforting to be the one who "sings the sings" and not quiestions anything, but i feel like, if we're gonna get something out of life, i feel like it's good to question"
Delia, you're awesome. such intellectual honesty is rare.
She seems quite self aware. I think a large amount of beliefs in all of us are based more in comfort than evidence, but being able to notice that AND admit that is rare. Most people claim they have comfort and evidence, but come to realize that their evidence isn't the best. She seems to be open to possible even switching religions if it was more comforting. I think she'll find though, that belief isn't a choice. That comfort will go away when you start to realize that just going through the motions of religion doesn't stop you from questioning things.
Two words: Delia rocks!
Aisha Miles 😂 I see what did there
more like wavers back and forth?
I love how she explained the feeling of first questioning beliefs - when everyone around you wholeheartedly believes what you are questioning... It’s like being lost in a foreign country. She said it’s like your “sense of community no longer exists *within you* in that moment (if questioning). That, to me, is the biggest problem with unconverting ... at least in my community. It is like putting oneself in solitary confinement. There is no place to find friends. There’s no Church of the Atheists.
Fascinating talk. Full of interesting ideas and intriguing contradictions. More people need to see these videos!
Her numerous contradictions point out a person with a lot of inner conflict....
I love this girl. She is so willing to be so open. I wish I could have been like her when I was stepping out of my faith.
Everything stops for Street Epistemology. Great talk, Delia and Anthony! Thank you for sharing.
I like this person...she is questioning and open to the possibilities. The part I found poignant was the part where she says when she starts to think there is no god she immediately feels the loss of community and feels alone. For those who put more into "the community" feel loss but those who know/understand the other side of the loss know it is more exciting, truthful and real.
Great conversation with an intelligent and open minded young woman. I'm so thankful I was born into an atheist household and never had to worry about breaking out of religious brainwashing - it sounds like it would be very scary.
I'm so glad I saw you with Kyle at politicon because I haven't seen your content probably since you helped deconvert me from being a missionary in a megachurch. I didn't remember your name but as soon as I heard it I knew exactly who you were and I wanted to let you know that there are so many of us out there who's lives you changed who you haven't necessarily heard from or even had subscribe to your channel. Keep up the good work!
VicVenem Thank you for letting me know that. I’m glad that you worked your way out and found my content useful.
The world needs more people like Delia, who question their beliefs in search of truth.
Also, more people like Anthony who are able to help us question and start a dialogue with us.
Thanks for your time Anthony. Making the world think and grow.
It'd be really interesting to see a follow-up on this one, she seems on the path of changing her beliefs. The way she summarised certain ideas was brilliantly on-point.
I'd also like to see you talk with someone about a (unlikely to be true) conspiracy some day. In the UK there seems to be more conspiracy theorists than believers - possibly to fill a sort of void. I have friends who criticise religious belief while exhibiting the same habits and biasis as fundamentalists. It can be frustrating to witness.
rickstarz Thanks for watching. My very next video might be about conspiracy beliefs.
@@magnabosco210 Brilliant! I love your videos and envy your patience. I used to be addicted to watching videos of atheists tear arguments down, but now I find it much more soothing watching epistemology instead. Keep up the good work.
Anthony, every issue I had with epistemology, you have perfected to my conviction that this is indeed the best social experience in discussing beliefs. Giving the opportunity to your interlocutor to ask questions addressing your own understanding turns this pursuit into a real and balanced exchange.
I love how this is going.
Delia is one of the most interesting and intelligent thinkers you have conversed with. One of my favorites interviews.
I love how you summarize her thoughts by saying "Here's what I think you are saying", instead of "so you are saying" with the risk of pushing a strawman. I will use this expression now too. It helps agree on the deeper thoughts and true meaning of the interlocutor.
-Well done!
Awesome conversation. She’s open minded and asking questions. A little bit of critical thinking and she’ll figure it out.
We’ve all be right where she is now.
#Truth doesn’t demand belief.
Personally I would point to family and friends and #humanism.
Not everyone’s family and friends are open to questioning ones beliefs.
I hope that she has some good people around her who are able to support her at what must be a somewhat unsettling time in her life.
I was shouting “admissions officers” at you as I was watching this. Thankfully it came to you. 👍
ahhh she's great. She'll be just fine I think. Keep questioning, Delia :)
Only problem is:shes not questioning Anything! she'll be back in catholic church in a matter of days/shes all mixed up!...believes in karma/mantras etc.Your futuristic projections are based on sentimentality NOT honest observation..
You do a nice job interviewing people. Polite, respectful, patient. When I was a teen I was so rude and full of myself that I argued with people and wasn’t learning from them. Keep up the good work.
Delia asked if Anthony had a "saying" or mantra that he used, which was an interesting question. I would have told her that I often refer to the Thomas Paine quote, "It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." I think that nicely summarizes the goal of SE. If something is false, rigorous questioning will expose it's flaws, while if something is true, no amount of questioning will discredit it. Delia seems like the type of person who can eventually adopt that mindset. Another good talk, Anthony!
She may be my favorite person you’ve talked to. I don’t think I’ve ever been so confident in my in confidence. Totally accepting at whatever truth it was, acknowledged her uncertainty, sharp as hell! Awesome woman.
I really appreciate how you approach people and how you get great conversations. Thank you.
Great video production! You're changing the world one conversation at a time, thank you Anthony.
I’m consistently impressed with the way these conversations go down, thanks for your work and know it’s been a change in the way I and others have come to talk to people period.
I remember desiring being confident in my beliefs. I wanted so badly to know that God was real. You become jealous of people that don't have any doubts. Great interview Anthony
Rick Turner - This is my sentiment exactly. “Why can’t I have what they have?” A lot of struggle to realize that I may just not need the same kind of comfort that they do in belief.
Thank you Anthony. SE has been a great training resource....
I think this is my favorite SE talk I've seen. She was wonderful. I'm moving to SA and hoping there really is a community of kind and questioning humans to interact with like her. ❤️
Thank you Deliah and Anthony! This is line of questioning and honesty is more powerful and comforting than dogma and readiness to believe. This is the religion of the future.
i was expecting you to be a catholic street preacher. boy, was i pleasantly surprised :)
Me to I almost didn’t watch cause I thought it was just gonna be a street preachers
@@libidinistlyn haha! same. i almost quit but i'm glad i watched it.
Back with a bang. I cannot thank you enough for these videos Anthony, and Delia for the excellent conversation.
Anthony has the perfect temperament and demeanor for conducting these interviews. I really enjoy these videos.
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Remove the supernatural and the mystical elements out of religion and what remains is, for the most part, philosophy. Philosophy can be inspected, dissected, accepted, or rejected, without the fear of eternal punishment or the false promise of a celestial reward.
I think Dominic Crossan approaches Christianity like that.
One of your best yet. It’s amazing how often it doesn’t occur to church goers that they are NOT the only one in the room with a bullshit detector! Best of luck to her, she is clearly a very smart young woman and I’m sure she will find her way. I hope in a later talk you can put her in touch with a local humanist/secular group to explore further with support. I know it has helped me a great deal. I love your work!
What an amazing interview, she was great, very open and honest. I truly hope she finds her way, she deserves to, and if she reads any of these, good luck Delia :)
WOh. Anthony's intros have gotten INTENSE since last time I checked this channel.
I like it
Wow, its rare you see this type of honesty from proclaimed religious people.
I absolutely love the Tron Legacy soundtrack and smiled as soon as I heard the intro. Great talk Anthony.
I was really impressed with this conversation! Super insightful watch :)
This is awesome. I am a listener of Mormon stories and that’s brought me here. I love listening to these conversations. Thanks for the content!
Thanks Delia for participating in Street Epistemology. I found it interesting how you mentioned existential crisis a few times. I would ask, how do you think existential dread or fear of death impacts a person's religious beliefs?
Fear is the foundation for losing oneself in a "comforting" belief...
That intro had me laughing for a full minute! 🤣 I like that you have those long, establishing shots now! Great conversation!
I've been watching your channel for more then a year and playing around with the idea of doing this in the Netherland. Thanks for doing and sharing this
Jenna from the atheist experience recommended this channel on a phone call and i love this content. thanks dude!
This was a really great conversation. I really liked the responses Delia gave l.
Its fun wathcing the master at work, you've really mastered this approach imho.
This was brilliant. You do such a fantastic job of respecting your interviewee...and you can see the results in how she responds to you. Keep up the good work.
Well done sir, that was great. Related to that convo so much.
Thanks
This is actually a really interesting conversation with someone you've never met before. I would love to have an open conversation like this.
This was too short ,I was just getting warmed up !!! Great talk as always 👍👍
Wow, what a great conversation between two intelligent and honest strangers!
Faith in humanity RESTORED 💯
Love this series. I like your calm demeanor during discussions. You really are about just asking questions about beliefs, not really challenging the beliefs or positing beliefs in place of what the person believes. I think this type of discussion is missing most of the time.
Keep it up!
If she reads this i would like you to know i like that you try and understand religions. You go girl. Also i questioned everything like you did. the words you used reminds me of me at that age. By the way welcome to the club of questioning everything.
But so you know when i stop believing it was so freeing. I am not rock but an old oak tree.☺
What made you stop believing?
@@j0hncon5tantine well it wasnt one thing it was a seris of things. But one of the biggest reasons why is i read the bible.
We must be watching completely different videos! Delia seems gullible and confused,there no questioning there! just a kind of fearfull"uncertainty" that leads to a deeper dependency on easy formulas
nice talk man! and i'm digging the added production value
I really like this interaction. She is very honest and is expressing what really goes through most peoples minds. I love how super open and honest she is with doubt.
It's so uplifting to see an interview like this one every so often and, at the same time, depressing that there aren't more of them. This woman was so thoughtful and nuanced in her approach to religion and its relationship to reality. Would that there were more like her amount us!
Refreshing conversation, even the admission that she wouldn't want to know if it wasn't true. Well done.
Best intro ever :D And a great talk as usual.
Really excellent questions and really honest answers, great conversation!
I've just found your channel and I absolutely loved it! I hope you keep doing it!
What a clever cookie! Best of luck in your studies, Delia, something tells me you’re gonna do really well 👍🏼
About as intelligent as a stale communion wafer,one can only hope she recovers from her confusion.
Delia clearly seems to value the comfort aspect of her beliefs over the truth. And like, a big part of me is just like "you know what, I can really respect that."
Even though I completely disagree with this value, and another part of me wants to either change her mind or make her realise she actually does value the truth more, I just cant bring myself to say it.
Man up dude! people such as herself need HELP!
I love the infusion of humor in the intro! Haha! Keep up the good work in general though. You're helping me become a less judgemental questioner. Thanks so much!
Shoutout to the editor, really tapping into the mounting spooky vibes in the community. Bravo bravo
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There's an information booth, but they don't have the answer...
If ever there was an apt metaphor for organized religion, this is it !!
That was a great interview.
Terence mckenna
Very good chat, this is my first video of this channel I've seen and it was really great. I really appreciate her honesty in answering the questions, and you handled yourself and the conversation very well. and for the record "c'est la vie" means "this is the life"
It's awesome how honest so many of your conversation partners are.
I loved the respectful and non confrontational nature of that conversation. I have been exactly where she is. I remember longing for a day when I didn’t have to make myself believe, to force my mind into the box of Christianity. I have come to a place of peace and acceptance and I’ve never been as happy as I am now.
Good luck Delia
Yo just found you because of the Kyle vid, love this content man! Great questions!
This is incredible SE. The intro was particularly good.
Those tubas though
That was a really honest conversation about such a sensible topic. Great job!
That was a good talk
she seems to be quite thoughtful and introspective
“I’ve been the one in the pew” *quick photo of younger Anthony* 22:00
Caught your single-frame splice at 22:00! Haha! Smooth Tyler Durden.. very smooth (another great SE talk too) :-)
Your notes and reflections are amazing.
At around 10:45 when asked if she'd want to know if 'the rock of comfort' wasn't real and she said 'of course not'... I interpreted that as her saying she wouldn't want to know for absolute certain that there was no God because that would remove the mystery of it all. I think she enjoys having the questions and making the journey to some extent. However, I didn't think she was saying she would rather believe a comforting falsehood... she just wouldn't want to be a gnostic atheist, because that would remove the fun mystery. I could be misinterpreting. Interesting talk.
I thought it was all just a bunch of strange customs that 'the group' wanted to keep going for tradition. I didn't really listen much so I didn't notice at first how weird it is. Until second grade about 8 years old. They said a really great thing was gonna happen. We were going to receive First Holy Communion. They said it was a choice and you had to welcome jesus into your heart. I thought "great! I have no idea what that even means and I choose no thank you". So I went home to tell my mom.
Well, I didn't believe in demons but my mom's reaction nearly convinced me. Flames! On the sides of her face! And that was the day I learned either 1. They really believe this nonsense or 2. If they don't believe it they will never let on. I have never figured out which possibility frightened me more.
Life got much more complicated after that.
I love her honesty and openness. Great interview!