The PROBLEM with Akai MPC X SE
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- Опубликовано: 8 окт 2024
- Akai has not address why their mpc sound different since integrating software with hardware. Today we discuss the hidden problem of mpc se (special edition). Although there may not be anything physically wrong with the unit it definitally doesn't sound the same as they use back in the day. I've included clips from E.A Ski as well as Akai RUclips Channel as well.
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The older gear dithers the sound quality down, giving lots of sounds a heavy crunch factor. The new MPCs have plugins to do the same.
Current gen MPC's also have AKM converters in them, extremely high-end ones, that will probably never be in production again since their factory burnt down a few years ago...
Akai is doing the right thing by slowly releasing their current stock of hardware and focusing on optimizing the software for them. It sure beats abandoning their current gen platform and squeezing us to adopt a new one.
My only gripe with Akai is that they aren't paying out royalties to roger linn and that should be a criminal act. seriously. if these MPC's weren't so amazing, id totally boycot...
in theory but it doesn't sound anywhere near. You just dont get the weight, punch and smoothness
@@justletmesigninokthx I agree they sound different, but its not because the current devices lack fidelity, in fact, id wager its the opposite, its the decimated audio on previous MPC's thats commonly preferred on drum grooves.
I often use D16's decimort plugin to emulate a low bit depth, and jitter common in variably clocked devices. It lends well to drum loops and transient laced audio.
Akai has a plugin that attempts to make audio sound like its going through the 3000 but their isn't much you could do in the digital domain without bumping into the limitations of finite furrier transformation.
in short, some things can't be done digitally that are common practice in the analog domain. That said Akai could have used worse converters, and they instead went for the best in the world. I'd say that's a win.
I’ll say this. Back when the older machines came out, We all wanted better sounds too. The 12 bit sound everyone is going crazy for now, every producer/ beat maker worth anything, wanted better. Then the 16 bit era came (3000’s and 2K’s) everyone wanted more. So these companies are just using what’s most current in technology to put in their products. It just so happens that certain genre now prefer the older sound back. 😂
You have a point, i say just find what works for you and your work flow.
Also these companies know that for “sound” people are getting what they want post production these days. So they focus on workflow.
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Yeah but there’s a push to get that “old sound” when people don’t realize what it truly is!
They just think it’s sound degradation.
Wow and flutter tape emulations.
So that’s what they sell them.
True! But I always recognized the warmth was missing along with feel because people are putting everything on the grid. I still have a the MPC 3K, 2K, ASR-10 and e-my E64 along with a few 4-track and 8-track tape machines to give my music warmth. But the IK multimedia tape plugins as well as the Waves SSL ev2 can get you very close to a vintage analog sound.
I have seen comments from people saying they have the X and are buying the SE or selling the X for the SE because of its pretty colors. SMH. Consumerism is a hell of a drug.
Let em sell. I need the prices to stay low on the used market til I get my money right. Banging out on the Ren til then
I ordered the SE as I am going to hook up all my synths to it and sequence and record using it. Its my first MPC and I looked at the X previously but because it was already 5+ years old I waited until the SE came out.
I have exactly the same plan
I got my SE yesterday and doing the same thing. I stuck a 4TB SSD in it and I’m away. Good luck to you fam I hope you enjoy it.
I have the MPC Key 61..I bought it because my REN was at the end of its life cycle and an upgrade was in order. This was the most logical upgrade (for me) and it works the way I expected it to. So yes I love my MPC. Now as far as the sound quality (for me) it sounds good to me and yes I have owned many MPC's. I say this because I can make it sound anyway that I want it to sound and to me that is the best option of them all. The SE was not meant to baffle anyone and honestly its not that serious. In my opinion and observation they are re dropping all of the machines to include the ram and storage upgrades to prepare them for the newer plug in instruments and the 3.0 software...because its certainly coming. If you have an X already, do you need it? Actually its none of my business what you need or want so its totally subjective and will be categorized by the potential buyer. Don't get me wrong I get it I really do but this is what happens in technology. The X to me is the ultimate MPC and can only be improved with internal upgrades and software which is what they did so why not should be the question imo. The arguments of getting the sound right is totally subjective no matter who agrees to that. I say make it as transparent as possible so YOU can decide how it should sound at the end of the process but hey that's what works for me...See subjective. GREAT VIDEO Bro! I'm subbing since I enjoy your content.
I very much agree with you. I am not a collector of MPCs. I have too many other devices: synths (Keyboard and desktop), modular and other samplers and drum machines to have an MPC collection. If I found a decent price on a perfect sounding 2000 or Renaissance MPC it would definitely be really fun to have, but I do not need any unstable machines that I have to send to someone to repair. If you perform live you have to have something stable and also another that is a backup. Also I agree, the MPC X, ONE Live 2 all can sound great. All AKAI MPCs and Roland 808s need time spent really learning the equipment to make it sound the best it can sound, including the MPC 3000. This also goes for Synthesizers. I have several that if I take time away from them it takes me a full day to really get back into making patches that are worth recording. I never put my MPC away, never.
@@VinylWave11 Excellent point! Absolutely right. Stability is more important than anything, but I'll add to that and play devils advocate. A company cant stop making product or they'll fold. I'm just addressing the argument of "Fix the bugs first before dropping new stuff." Not directed to you but you ignited the thought. For most that would be the next logical argument and many don't want to see new products if they are unhappy (in any way) whether big or small with what they have. I'm old school (51), I made a lot happen with less capabilities from manually splicing audio tape to having patch bays full of wires just to record 3 midi instruments and vocals to AMPEX456. And mastering after that! Don't get me started lol. So its kind of ridiculous to me to hear the commentary sometimes because NOTHING is garunteed to ever worked or sound perfect all the time once the process begin. Should be expected to a certain degree actually. Trust me when I say things are great at this point in time. The discussion over a piece being a problem because of how it sounds is crazy. Its an instrument. It need to be tuned to YOUR ear like a guitar. That makes it BEAUTIFUL. There is no rules to this. IF you say something is better one way or another or better over another thing again is subjective and a waste of time. Cherish what you have and make music. O and btw after all these years I'm just learning to have a better appreciation of synths. Having ADD I always found them a little difficult🤣. Enough with my soap box rants I just had to get that off my chest. I also understand its all just my opinion.
@@VinylWave11 O and I SEE YOU PLAYA. You got a nice combo there💪🏾
@@KingHanma I started off on music in the 1980s. I remember having to record on tape. I didn’t have anything as cool or advanced until my first DAW Logic Pro. Which I still sometimes gravitate toward instead of Ableton and my Push 2. Some equipment you just connect with and MPC One and X is that for me. And yes I think usually I have to learn to tune myself to the sound and the sound it makes to me. The great thing about music is we can use the older stuff, if it is still working, and we can also keep up with new options. Take guitars for example I have a Fender Strat that is my go to and new stuff just isn’t enticing. While I would love to have an MPC 60 I don’t need it because I personally need every peace of equipment I use to work together well. And more options in one device is just better for me. My studio space is kind of small. Some of my equipment has to go in a closet until I need it. It would be stupid of me to buy more MPCs and I try not to buy redundant instruments, I already have too many guitars and midi-keyboards.
@@KingHanma are you talking about my MPC and iridium? Yeah it is a killer combo. I really didn’t know until I got the new MPC X SE. it’s truly like an entire studio in 2 pieces of gear! I’m in heaven
I bought an X when they dropped the price to make way for the SE. I love it. I’ve never used any MPC of any kind before. I’ve been using Maschine for about ten years. I like the sound of the MPC over the Maschine. I can tell the difference when I use my Maschine expansions inside my MPC. The drums and everything sound better to my ears. I don’t know about the 60 or the 3000 so I can’t speak to that. I still think the X sounds great though. I’m not getting the SE.
That’s why I still have my mpc 2000xl
I bought the MPC60ii new in 1991, soon bought an ASQ-10 as a backup sequencer, then I bought the MPC 2000xl SE1, - and recently I bought the MPC-1, basically so I don't need a laptop in my "therapy cell" / studio.
I also still have my S950 x2, S3200xl x2, S3000xl (brand new, still boxed) and an S6000.
The newer machines are essentially just DAWs' wrapped up in their own controller and audio interface, - and there is nothing wrong with that.
So yeah, they ain't gonna sound like an old MPC, they'll sound much more like a DAW in a computer.
It was the limitations of the technology at that time that gave the old machines their character, and quirks, and all the manufacturers at the time had their own proprietary chips for sampling, and there was no WAV. standard, until the 2000xl, but that was still only a 16bit sampler at heart,
- I imagine using WAV. etc, is a lot cheaper, and it does make life a lot easier.
Also, I'm not a fan of Akai using the old look on these new machines, personally, I find it to look a little cheap and tacky, - because they aren't the old machines,
- just who are they trying to fool?
I'd love to see a simpler MPC, that was once again just aimed at,
- sampling drums, breakbeats and powerful sequencing,
- you know, just an instrument again, without all the extra bells and whistles that can get in the way,
- like, I don't use any of the supplied sounds, only my own personal collection of sounds,
- breakbeats, vintage drum machines, sub basses, everything else is old synthesizers.
Guess I should stress I don't do Hip-hop stuff, more Dark Electronica, kind of Meat Beat Manifesto stuff, but I grew up with Punk in the 70s, then Hip-hop and Electro, then the London Acid scene arrived, closely followed by Breakbeat and all its offshoots, and all my tastes changed, but I still have my favourite vinyl of the time, from heads like Duke Bootee, Marley Marl, EPMD, BDP, Hardnoise, Egyptian Lover, etc
MPC once stood for
- Midi Production Centre
But now MPC means,
Music production centre
So, I guess it's just what they call,
- Logical Progression,
as now we can all have crystal clear, limitless stereo recordings,
- that sound as sterile as fuck, but, personally, that's where 40yrs+ of collecting outboard comes in handy, as I'd recommend using external VCA compressors, and saturation devices to develop your own characters for these extremely powerful, modern machines.
The old machines certainly have their charms, but they are also very clunky when it comes to their operating systems.
Seriously though, if I could choose only one MPC out of them all, it would be the ONE, in black, together with a high quality audio interface for expanding the outputs to 32 channels...
- love to ALL, feel no hate
Two words: Roger Linn
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EA told me personally not to sell my 4000. I didn't. I shipped it to Forat and maxed it out. Thanks EA!
Nobody hears work flow they hear the sound quality. you gotta have sound quality that's what inspires you to play more and learn your instrument .
Mannn listen 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
This is interesting. But the majority of what is said here is sort of a false assumption. The MPC is known for its sound AND its workflow. Being a brain for your surrounding hardware (and software). The MPC's known not only for the sound but syncing multiple pieces with it...flawlessly (with some minor midi issues that usually can be worked out when troubleshooting. If you've never owned one, you could easily go off of hearsay from Legendary producers who will tell you the older MPC's sound different then the new ones. But coming from who owned a 4000 and sold it when the Ren came out, I loaded up my older programs to test the knock and it was just as good and sounded really solid (I really couldn't tell the difference and haven't regretted selling it once. And from the REN to the live 2 and now the X, the MPC ain't just selling junk. These machines are very versatile and tactile and the argument of exchanging a computer for a computer in an mpc shell, well the idea that I can take the live with me and travel with a machine without having to fire up a laptop and a mini keyboard and plug it all up together can be pretty dope and can get you in the practice of creating at any time. Idk that to me is kind of a huge deal now. Once you have that option its hard to knock it. And let's not forget the swing. The swing is still legendary and the 16 level velocities, pitch (which MPC started and everybody borrowed for their products) is a feature that is a must and still present. So you may not understand the hype and may not get why people love the MPC but it's to understand if you don't have one. And if you have one, and don't like it.. Sell it. There's thousands of people waiting to take it off your hands for the reasons I stated above. All love.
The MPC Renaissance has been the most effective MPC for me, since I use the same Software all the newer MPC's use & have the Digital Ins & Out on board... The MPC X SE etc. is the new school version of the MPC Ren without Digital I/O... Nice screen & stand alone, but I depend on Kontakt & Plugin's in the Akai Software to much to worry about that... My MPC 2000 sounds okay, but not as good as the MPC 1.6, 1.9 & 2.11 Software I keep a copy of the older software on my computers... #GreatVidBro...🎥🎬🎥
I can understand the criticism. Why would I pay $2500 for a piece of stand-alone equipment only for it to sound like a DAW. DAWs are colorless. MPC's have had a tradition of coloring the sound out the box.
Yes, I know the newer MPC's have vintage mode emulations but other groove boxes on the market have them as well. Most groove boxes on the market are cheaper than the SE. You would get a much better bang for your buck investing in an alternative + high-end converters/preamps of your choice for a superior sound. I don't think the MPC X SE is a bad product per se but it's definitely over-priced for what it offers to the consumer.
As an avid MPC X user, my only complaint, converters and sampling time stretch. If Akai ungraded the converters, you wouldn’t need a DAW unless you wanted it.
MPC is a DAW.. if they went back to the old converters you'd need a service manual for your gear again.. those old parts wore out frequently. if you look at the back of the service manual you'll see a list of all the components.. research them and you'll understand whats goin on.
You are right that the sound is the most important. But do not live in the past. The sound is not being sacrificed. Those "legendary" producers are who? A few guys living in the past. Absurd. The MPC X does not have a subscription plan. What are you talking about?
You know what?
JD was kinda right.
Ever make a beat on a 3k and just listen to it?
The bump on that thing is noticeably different for a couple of reasons.
The timing and converters were one thing.
What people never notice or talk about is how Roger Linn programmed “the accents!”
That’s what gives it that PUSH/ BUMP that’s so pleasant to the human ear.
Akai never replicated that.
That died when Roger quit.
That’s why 3k emulations never really worked.
It’s not just sound and timing.
When that loop is heading back to the one there’s this anticipation before that push that designers never got.
Rogers secret sauce is still a secret.
You can hear it while just playing the metronome.
So frikkin dope.
yes agreed
The entire old akai sound library is available online.. It was never the sound of the devices it was The SOUNDS ON THE FLOPPY'S don't let these idiots fool you
LOL!!!!!!!!
Every single one of those producers have moved on to newer MPC and also use software and hardware to make the music sounds the way it needs to sounds. Even back in the day every single on of those guys had all the outputs of the MPC going into a recording console with preamps and analog sauce. While the MPC added a little flavor and punch it doesn’t even come close to what a record console with summing, compression and other gear can do. If the MPC converts and sounds was that great, why is it that every single one of those producers had a recording console connected to it 🧐.
The MV has an option to change sound bit manually
For modern MPC’s, I own a Live 2 and Key 61. For old school, I own a MPC2K and 2 MPC3K’s (one being a limited edition). HANDS DOWN, the 3K is 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥. I also own an ASR-10, MV8000 and a E-mu E64 sampler. Bro, there is nothing like the old school gear.
How does the mv sound compared to the 3K? What are the differences? I always wondered if the MV thumped.
@@bangmateo7481 the MV thumps too! Very warm and solid sound. The 3K is just as on another level! If you want to hear what the 3K sounds like, I have a few videos on my page. It’s like there is a vintage compressor inside and it’s also why some people use the 3K like a compressor today. Nevertheless, the MV is no slouch. Now, believe it or not, the SP404mk2 sounds pretty good and I would highly recommend anybody who would like to have something close to a vintage sound to get it. Not to mention the effects inside are powerful!
@@dccarsonmusic My ASRX Pro is very warm.
@@bangmateo7481 The MV thumped it had the Roland high end roll off and that eq bump at around 85-100 so it didn’t muddy up like the 2000 ( which had a 100-150hz bump in the signal which if you didn’t re eq the bass sounded kinda muddy compared to the older mpcs that’s why Kanye early bass was not as heavy in bass guitars and bass synths as Pimp C, and the mid to late 90s Ummah and Organized Noise
If only the sequencer worked like it should have.
Again…., This is a huge problem in society. Don’t ever become so delusional to the point where you compare a 1967 stingray’s performance to that of a Tesla plaid model S. Please don’t do it bro.
Hey that’s my current car 🚗 S Plaid … !!! random… but great comparison!
Which one sounds better and yes this is a valid question?
you're right, the 'sound' of the MPC (outside of the MPC3000 which IS different because of the filters) was really due to driing the outputs nto outboard gear.. ANd other stuff.. When you break down the MPC workflow, THAT is where the sound was coming from.. Speeding samples up, running them through outboard effects, then slowing back down to produce..
ALl of this created the MPC sound, PLUS the burr briwn converters they used in those early machines wear out.. The Tascam UH-7000 is discontinued now becuse of similar reasons.. The tech is better and more reliable now.. if they went backwards it would literally be impossible.. you'd need service manuals withyour equipment again
My friend in NY has the 1st original MPC 3000 which sounds crazy & havoc from Mobb Deep did Shook Ones Part 2 on the original MPC 60 & today I had just received my brand new MPC One Gold From Guitar Center for $629 with free shipping so I’m gonna open it up & see what I can cook up with my fully expanded Roland JV-1080 midi sound module
That’s going to sound great.
Roger Linn respect the creator...There would be no MPC without that man..
Great video, Your insight is on point regarding this issue! Thanks for posting
If high-end converters and preamps are added to the product, it will come at a significantly higher price. This could make it difficult for hobbyists and enthusiasts, who make up most of the Akai MPC user base, to afford it. I suppose one possible solution could be to create two versions of each MPC to cater to different price points.
I think in 10/20 years from now everybody want that MPC Live 2 sound like the one I own now.
Don’t the mpcs have vintage sound modes?
I dont understand why someone with a room full of vintage gear would complain about newer MPCs. Its almost like tryna discourage newbies from getting one, because YOU don't like the clean converters on the newer models. It most likely very hard to source older parts and expensive too. Why would a company want to go backwards in time? Risk vs Reward. Its 2023, most music doesn't need and obviously doesn't want that old MPC sound- if they did they would just use the vintage MPC's they already have sitting up on a desk in the corner of their studio. The newer models sound just like that- like newer models. Also, lets not assume that MPC's are exclusive to hip hop and RnB producers. Not everyone has a need for smacking drums on every piece of music being made on that machine. You want that old MPC sound: 1. Either buy an old model or 2. Slap a pitched down Sine wave under your Kick, compress the snot out of your snare's upper mids and throw some white noise on the master. There you go...free of charge.
100 percent! My guy Black Metaphor, producer who did the Game’s Ali Boombyae says he doesn’t like the new ones either so he uses an older MPC as his main machine. I will say the older MPC does sound thicker for sure. I got a MPC Live sent to me for free and I actually like the sound but the workflow is just not for me. Sticking with the Maschine
the AKM converters in the current Gen MPC's are extremely high quality. The AKM factory that makes them burnt down, these MPC's they're releasing right now are all old stock, they've been had them in storage somewhere, because the AKM chips in them are no longer in production, and probably wont ever be back in production. 10 years from now people will be raving over the sound of these units, the DACs in them are known for being the highest quality achieved in modern times. It's best folks judge for themselves when it comes to "sound quality". Likely, the perceived difference in sound being reported by these producers is due to the old units having less dynamic range, since they had a lower bitdepth?
I use to think the sega genesis sounded like it came from the space age, folks have fond memories, but reality is what it is, you cant make a good track on the mpc, its not the DAC thats for sure.
People will be collecting these one day , specifically for the converters in them. I promise.
Its a bit crazy to watch a video about current MPCS" having bad sound when they literally have some of the best converters ever made in them...
Your post is overpowered with facts and truths. Naysayers need to balance it with downvotes 😂
of course old mpc’s might have colored a little different, but you can easily emulate them if you know how to use a compressor and you will never know the difference so it’s silly
Mpc x se into elektron analog heat equals god. Looks amazing and makes me happy and wanna use it.
The heat makes everything fire……….I’ll take the workflow anyway over old outdated tech. Yes old analog sounds better and Akai should offer a upgraded converter but with class compliant audio you can go into a high end interface also.
Stop the hate and bashing people. I’m happy as a pig in shit with the se.
Homage paid to the old machines but what made those magical moments is producers took those imperfections and limitations and made art with it. Back then when editing and sample chopping was done with no wave display it was all numbers and your two holes on the side of your dome. I remember when cats was making beats with a Akai s900 and wanted to clean it or gloss it up. Now it’s the opposite people say it’s to sterile clean or surgical. Well It’s easier to add grit vs taking it away if that’s your thing. My opinion it’s all about making original and magical moments on what ever you are using.. put your footprint on the machine.
Let’s be fair: NI is doing the same thing. These expansion and subscription for better sound design. & Sound design is different on everything- at the end of the day it is *the users* responsibility to craft/mix/master and not depend on the underwork of the hardware.
I'm a mpc 4k user. I purchased it for one main reason. The 4 midi outs. It's allows me to bridge my analog gear to my computer/DAW.
what were you using before ?
Great video. Even Andy Mac had a slight stutter moment on thoman music with Jack.
i upgraded from an mv8000 to mpc one and immediately noticed a difference in sound quality but I havent really experienced using older mpc's (aside from the 2000xl way back in the day) to notice any differences as far as the newer mpcs go... But now hearing this in more than a few videos and from other mpc users now Im obsessed with this issue. Also does this mean all of the vintage plug ins dont accommodate for this issue?
What about solo truck mute track problems in akai mpcx .I pres solo bottom on .when I Chenge seq. And back again the solo bottom torn of
oh not too familiar
I own the Akai MPC One and I own the Akai MPC X SE. I love both machines. It is a much better experience than working on a DAW, it sounds awesome. Unless you have actually used the MPC X or MPC X SE you would not know how it actually sounds. Also there are so many options with how you sample sound and effects. I am a producer who has made a successful career out of creating music. MPC is not a subscription service. However, I started out with working with VSTs and in DAW and while I do still use those for mastering and mixing, some of that was an absolute waste and pushes you towards sounding like everyone else...MIDI PACKS (DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY ON THAT). MPC old and new has a great workflow. Old MPC which are fun to have are not stable often, having years of use, are very expensive to maintain if they break and really to be totally honest do NOT sound better. If you have the money to blow, go buy a MPC 2000 or a Renaissance if you can find one that works and doesn't mostly record popping and crackle noise and also you have the money to waste because most of those units are in collections with people who do have the money for a dust collector, because newsflash there are no new MPC 3000sor MPC 2000s or other older models. And I have used an MPC 2000 in studio, it was fine and sounded good but not better and the workflow is definitely not as good for my style. Not knocking the 2000, but it is just not better in my opinion.
Have had the One for 3 months - received my XSE yesterday - bought it because I just wanted it - love it - also have the mpk mk3 - not much of a musician, just love playing with beats
I have a Live 1st gen. Just barely started using the software. I mostly got it for stand alone. So just by plugging it into my Mac gives me all the power and flexibility that I need.
Good points made.
I think the best way to use these modern MPCs is to use some form of outboard gear to add that weight/sound either during the sampling phase or the tracking into daw phase of production.
In other words work the "sound" into your workflow.
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thats exactly how it was done back in the day, most of the sound was from speeding up a sample, then running it through something like a sp3030 througha mixer then slowing it back down.
Finally a comment that makes sense.
Old analog gear “color” sound by default because of the electrical components they had to be built with. On the new gear it’s all chips like in a PC but with the plugins you can now choose how much color you want to add in.
I got the MPC one. I also have a maschine plus. I got a great deal on the One so I got it. Probably use both equally these days but I generally take the maschine with me.
The sound of the one is trash. I have it and a live 2.
would the items that are being asked to add, make the devices affordable and last? Just curious if the tech we want from old school days can work in the new school age?
I loved the MPC ONE the moment I first used it. The MPC X SE is life changing. I wanted the MPC X back when it came out. After using the MPC ONE since it came out, the MPC X SE was just too enticing. I am going to tell you truthfully the RAM, full set of encoders, larger format, less menu diving, phantom power for my nicer mics, and the included software instruments are well worth the price to me. I can get much more created and much faster with the MPC X SE, the MPC X original would be just as great. However given that I am upgrading from MPC ONE the X SE was my best option. NO REGRETS at all.
MPC Touch 1st Gen.. Wouldn't the sound be conducive to the type of speakers in your studio and the room itself?. Are you going through a mixer?.
The main problem is they are trying to push a machine that is based around a computer interface/interaction to people who are trying to get away from the computer and the general consumer can't make up their mind. Imagine if Moog or Sequential tried to do a virtual analog synth with a touch screen simply because people use VSTs. No one would accept that....but for some reason MPC users are accepting that type of product.
Akai simply doesn't understand the customer and is catering to the general consumer and fanboy rather than the musician. This is why Roger Linn doesn't want to do another drum machine (He was working on one based around MPE) The general MPC fanboy wouldn't understand what he was trying to do and dismiss it.
Bruh...you nailed it! Period!👌🏽
MPC Live 2: I love the touch screen, the effects, workflow, sounds, and it inspired me. Maschine and Maschine Plus does not sound better. The SP404 sounds better than Native and Akai. Jimo.
I said the MPC X sounded better than Maschine on another video and people thought I was talking crazy. But there is a substantial difference. I know because I’ve used Maschine for ten years. I can hear it.
@@leogolive I am waiting to see what Native Instruments is going to do. I invested in the Plus. I wish they would update that.
@@CDMESD I have the plus and love workflow but I’m about ready to jumpship.
@@lebronsinclair8012 I am readty to sell mine. I already have the Live 2. I am only keeping the Maschine Plus because I do not have a MK3
I own the MPC X (not the SE). Reason to buy was that I don't feel creative with a computer, and it has sooo many capabilities. I use it in stand alone mode only. Can't compare to earlier versions, but I have to say I works for me. As sampler, drum machine, and sequencer. I don't use the VSI expansions much, but I have a few and wasn't impressed. Also using these in a live setting with a keyboard connected is a pain - at least for me. Biggest issue I have is that the learning curve is very steep. At least for me.
You mention that companies should not fix what's not broken. I agree. Still I like the fact, that the Akai box is constantly evolving. That protects my investment in the HW. In case I would be interested in the new features, I can upgrade. Or not. Going the DAW direction you find yourself in a situation where you'd need to upgrade pc/mac for all sorts of reasons.
I think the SE looks cool (not cooler, but cool). But I'd never upgrade for the design, extra memory and HD space.
Need to relax - read @thyViralloads comment below. Do you think the 1960s Mercedes runs the same as a 2023 Mercedes? There is a reason that things get sacrificed against the push of technology. Every user from the 90s until today understand is that the Mpc, 3000 was heralded as the ultimate because of its converters and possibly preamps. The modern day models off of 50 times more advanced. Before commenting, perhaps should consider the engineering which goes into building product of such stature. Then perhaps it would be fair to comment on knowing WHY the sound of sacrificed.
The MPCs from 4000 on back ( 60 60II 3000 2000 2000xl and 4000) all have a auto limiting function on the outputs that brought up the transients and an eq envelope that made the drums smack harder. The ensoniq and emu early gear had a similar eq signature from just the limitations of the units and trouble dealing with aliasing effects plus analog filter chips. Crazy thing is Maschine even though it’s been held as a modern clinical sound has an easy way to dial in these signatures and save them as presets, However the EA Skis and Jermaine Dupris already have the 3000/60 etc…. And analog gear to give their sounds the umph it needs to be competitive on their level . I recommend if your going to use the mpc X you would benefit from purchasing an economical 90s mixer ( ie yamaha rm800 the Ramsa studio Sonic’s and the like ) or use Maschine or FL to develop your own sounds as you go. I used the 2k classic and FL as a sound design and library for years. Much like the Maschine library. I also stored sounds on an emu E4 .
BINGO!! plut a limiter then a transient shaper after that and you've got an MPC4k..
Got an mpc2500 and don't plan on upgrading. If I do maybe a 4k?
Truly well stated.
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It ended all with Roger Linn!
I have my MPC 3000XL.....it's a Tank ....but I Love old gear...FL 3 & 12....it Knocks!!🔊🔊
💯 dope! I’ve heard that about FL
I wanna know where all these videos were when the MPC X came out
Elektron Analog Heat MK2 solves that void that the mpc is missing. It's a great addition
Could i use a decapitator. Saturn 2or little radiator in a daw on the master off my beat? Instead of an analog heat?
I have the mpc one and live 2 for making beats and sequencing.
Im comming from maschine i always wanted a akai mpc one of the best sounding units ive heard is the asr10 but having my mpc key 61 sounds great!..those same dudes you just showed have multiple mpc's if the sound is so bad why they buying them??? No way ima keep buying every akai that comes out if i not happy with it i live my mpc
MPCX since 2017 . It's the process, vibe, experience producing. I'm very hands on . I use it daily.
Valid points: so I bought the MPC Live, Because years ago before the MPC's I had a Sequential Circuits Studio 440, yup I am old. anyway I loved working with it and the pads and over time it didn't hold up. Anyway BITD, AKAI came out with a Rack Mount 4 Track Hard disk recorder, one of the first, 240 mg, of memory SEMTE time code. NO MIDI, any way That thing had a Gritty bite to it that just blew my mind, Of course 4 tracks didn't cut it so I bought a Roland VS 2480, after years of recording, it was developing problems, so one day at Guitar Center, I saw the MPC LIVE and was curious. Pads, Samples, Tracks...Did it have that Sound?? So I went for it and at this time I have no need to replace it to keep up with the jones. It's not the wand that puts the rabbit in the hat but the magic of the performer. Peace
Ditto on the good points my man. I have them all. Still rocking the Ren (without the knobs) but that''s a story for another day, lol. I actually use it with Rode podcast setup. Always use in the MPC3000 vintage mode. Different set-up with the new SE. Can go mobile of course with the X , Live II, and One all in the right case. Apple tags hidden inside all my gear. If stolen can trace it any where.
I got the mpc one!! The workflow and price I loved!! I do own the mpc 2000xl and it sounds louder than my mpc one!! Akai needs to go back to that louder sound!!!
I got an MPC One. Got it when it first came out. I wanted an MPC and it was the most affordable product. I'm an FL studio user, so this is a different workflow and makes me make beats differently.
I have the Akai MPC Live 2 and I needed portability
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I got the MPC One bc it’s a good entry level joint, I want the X bc of the 4g a ram and the ins and outs.
I am seriously considering purchasing an MPC X SE. It is the best machine in its category now. It is absurd to think that the MPC X SE does not sound as good as earlier MPC's. They did not change the electronics. Some guys are just whining and living in the past.
One guy in the comments reports his X SE sounds better than his mpc Live
I own an MPC Key 61. The keybed is basic but everything else on it is stunning. I use it with a Tascam Model 24 and it has replaced EVERYTHING in my studio that I used for pop /rock music. I still have a Quiet PC with a NI S88 MKII running Studio One by Presonus for orchestral stuff, but the AKAI is great. The sampling on it is geared more toward current sampling techniques, beat-matching etc and has little of the old AKAI and EMU filters and envelopes, but it saves time with auto sampling and mapping that I can forgive it.
Yes!! Absolutely!!
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Just got to have the right samples to make maschine sound good. I literally resembled a few Maschine expansions into my 2000XL and loaded into Maschine. Now we’re talking. But too much work. I use Maschine for music that does not need a big heavy warm sound.
Maybe the sound quality isn't as good... I'm less concerned with that and more put off by the lack of innovation in the MPC workflow. The piano/rhodes plugins are not dope. And you can't use third party VSTs, so it's a bit whack. I got rid of the MPC One and got Ableton with a Push 2. I'm getting the SP404 MK2 for my "away from the studio" sampler/sequencer. Jonwayne said in a video that 90% of the MPC workflow is dedicated to the first 10% of making a beat/song. I agree.
last akai mpc was the 4000, the 2500/1000/5000 was the transition, but after that is numark mpcs, not the same company, not the same business model. every year they put a new model when maschine mk3 is out for years being updated for free via software. numark aint be getting any money from me
The 4000 was the last true Akai MPC. The Numark/Alesis era began with the 500, 1000, 2500, and the slept on 5000. Those MPC’s sound great and some would say better than the new gen. It really depends on the style of music you are doing. It’s all subjective. But the fact is that the MPC 3000 is the best sounding MPC. Akai will never remake that. It would cost $6K plus they would have to pay Roger Linn.
Workflow issues is why I don’t use my mpc 2000 anymore, but it sounded great. If I could load vsts like Fabfilter pro q3 in an mpc I would probably get the X, but I find that I’m getting better workflow and better sound using Reason and a bunch of vsts. If I have to pick right now, with a $3000 budget, I’m gonna upgrade my computer, audio interface and get a few extra vsts that are gonna make my sound bang.
i think you look at this from the wrong perspective. the sound is important thats clear because we are producing music. so the modern MPCs got the "clear" sound which is perfect for you. if you need it dirtier than make it dirtier. sample from another MPC or what ever source. I for example use sometimes external gear for resampling back to my MPC. the point is that the sound should stay the way you designed it and stay always under your control. thats why i think thats not bad. I saw a guy sampling vinyl with the sp2400 and sampling from the SP to his MPC x or live.
I think the disconnect is when we speak of this "modern MPC sound." People purchased gear back then because of the sound. So if we are talking about an MPC, it had a Roger Linn sound. Fast forward to today, companies are going for that transparent sound to shape it the way you like it as you mentioned. You are right, it not a bad thing at all, except when you are a company known for your sound, why would you change it.
I have the MPC live 2, and I saw the MPC Key 61 on sale for 1200. I’m not rushing to by the X SE…. Maybe Like MPC mk3… until then I’m good…
Got a steal deal for an MPC X at a local pawn shop for $700 back in 2019; small crack on the LCD but never affected performance; tantalizing sound; A/D; D/A converters are great for what they are. Most pro productions are going to be routed through your favorite outboard processors and/or a DAW anyway. the focus on A/D converters in this "all in the box gear" is way over-rated. These boxes are great for stimulating musical ideas in ways that I might not have ever considered or come up with. Bottom line is that it sounds great and if I never told anyone what equipment I was producing on...I doubt that many would be able to guess.
I have the X, and it’s great. The conversation is valid, but not. I own a MV8800 and owned a MPC 5000. They both sound amazing out the box. The X doesn’t sound horrible. If you’re coming from a Ren, Push or Mashine you may notice zero difference. Older machines are still hot for a reason, but that sound can’t be reproduced either. So, now we purchase plugins to give us the sound we miss or remember.
Honestly the 1st time I heard somebody say the 5000 sounded amazing
SP-404MK2. Price, sound, size, fun factor, etc
I think that you are correct!!!!
I have an MPC X and MPC One. With that said, I still have my MPC4000 and MPC2500, both of which I've had for years. I agree. The older MPCs do sound better and knock harder while the newer MPCs sound closer to software. With that said, they all sound good. The older ones do sound better though.
💯💯💯💯 percent correct. Salute.
That’s why they have the vintage mode on the new MPC right? The old technology can’t touch the new point blank.
I believe there is some difference in sound. But they are differences that are not noticeable to the average listener, differences that only the producers themselves can distinguish. Technically speaking, the new MPC is superior, even in terms of sound. What people like about the old MPC is a certain compression/distortion, it's a bit like Vinyl vs CD. If the producer is skilled and knows how to work with sound, he can make the new mpc sound however he wants.
Problem is spelled wrong . But shout out 2 u .. as always thanx for the vids
Remeber it’s just the special edition of the X - more RAM more memory - extra bundles and the retro cover - it’s not supposed to be a new machine.
If it was it would be called something else 😅
Absolutely on point. I realized that since day 1 I bought a new mpc(live 2) they are focusing on the wrong things. Im sure they are spending fortunes for marketing and everything they need to do is build the right MPC, sounding good, good built quality , then everything else. And then all the big producers gonna use it and gonna promote it for them. Without akai spent a cent for marketing. Wrong focus Akai
I have a SE and the sound is better than my MPC live. If you have it you know. If you don’t have it you wouldn’t know. Good video
Cap. The converters are literally the same.
@@souloshinobi7307 you say cap but it’s real. I honestly love it more than the live. But everyone is different tho
@@devanteanderson243 What own the live 1 and 2, the Key 61, and my son owns the X and lives with me. I’m being honest bro. There’s no difference unless you buy the black lion modification. Or run it through different external sound cards.
@@souloshinobi7307 I have the live and and I have the mpc x se and I’m giving my thoughts on it. Trust me bro I’m just being honest too
I agree
I had the 1k, 2500 and the 5k. I ended up with Maschine Plus. I can honestly say that each MPC did sound different. I loaded some of the same beats and they had something missing or flat sounding. The MPlus does sound different than an MPC, but i love my M+. I clicked with it almost instantly. The workflow to me was better. I have outboard gear and analog synths for everything else. Personally I’ll never buy another Akai product. I have everything I need with my gear now.
When I jumped into the Rap game I could only afford the Alesis/HR16-B and dreamed of owning an MPC(or SP1200), once I had the money to get what I wanted, I chose the MPCX because every Great producer in the game has an MPC
I have the MPC one and the X. I bought them to feed my g.a.s. problem. I use the X more than the one. But i mostly use maschine
I wasn’t there bk in day but all sound seems the same to me , all it probably has is fx or layered I think , I don’t know about converters , most ppl who complain must don’t know anything about sound design I wonder if ppl ears really that good ?
It’s quantity over quality. There’s way more bedroom/@ home consumers making music than ever b4. There catering to a younger demographic that don’t know & it’s not their fault for the most part. They don’t know & then they don’t know that they don’t know.
New mpc’s still sound fire ass hell. Just use the old boards if thats the sound you want
JD said what he said but at the end of the day he aint using the 3000 which is an important point he said this on his RUclips channel.
The new generation of mpc sound great. The new generation of mpcs are like the ssl j which is clean and the older mpcs are like ssl 4000
All Akai had to do was give consumers the Vst software instrument of today but keep the analog converter's with the option of 8bit, 12bit,16bit, 24, 32 or whatever so it can be switched manually inside a main menu page
So true! It can’t be that hard.
I have the MPC X (2019) - Live II (2020) - I don't think the SE is necessary...
... this is eerily similar to the vintage synth/keyboard vs digital synths using analog modeling/virtual analog sound engines argument. As an example, Roland gets grilled heavily for producing keyboards, drum machines, and grooveboxes digitally emulating many of their legacy keyboards and drum machines. They appear to not be interested in making any new analog pieces and quite a few aficionados out there say that the emulations are not close enough to the originals. I've read similar comments about earlier Yamaha MOTIF's sounding "warmer" than their new workstations such as later MOTIF-series, the Montague, and MOD-X series.
I'm not particularly sure what problem the OP found with the Akai MPC X SE... does he have one? Has he used any of the Akai products, past or present? Is he saying that NI's Maschine somehow has better sound quality than the MPC's?