Voigtlander 50mm f/1: Nokton or Noctilux?
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
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Finally got my hands on this speed demon, the Voigtlander Nokton 50mm f/1 and it was worth the wait! I revisit my test shots with the Leica 50 Noctilux f/0,95 the TT Artisans 50 f/0.95 as well as the Summilux-M 50 1.4 ASPH. Photos taken with the Leica M10.
00:00 intro
02:12 Build Quality
5:15 User Experience
7:10 Image Quality
8:40 Comparison: 50 Summilux ASPH, 50 f0.95 Noctilux & TT Artisans .95
10:00 Bokeh
10:44 Color Fringing
11:40 Vignetting & comparisons cont'd
13:20 Colors & vs 50 Summilux
14:10 Flare Resistance
15:00 Rendering and focusing
16:00 User experience
16:40 Sharpness
17:00 Coma
18:00 Bokeh cont'd
18:45 Sharpness cont'd
19:50 Bokeh details
20:00 Conclusion
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looking forward to more uploads brah, you're one of my favorite youtubers. very in depth polished content, no fluff. one of the only channels I have notifications turned on.
After watching your video, I put my Voigtlander 50 1.2 Nokton back on my camera. Your enthusiasm is infectious.
Been watching your videos for a while. And this channel deserves 100s of thousands subscriber. Your content is phenomenal. Picked up several VL based on your feedback and the results I get are spot on with your comments.
Thank you so much! So glad to hear that you find my videos helpful, cheers!
That combo looks so freaking good!
Great review as ever Andrew. Thank you.
Thanks for the support 🙏
Great review, emphasising its noble aesthetic virtues. You've really piqued my interest in it. Thanks. ❤
They just got this in Z mount so i'm saving up for it. Can't wait! Thanks for all the info on it, i'm currently loving their 58 f1.4 adapted to my Z6. Must be a nice fit to try the 50 in its native mount.
Woah! I need to start saving as well :)
Well-done presentation! I recently took delivery of my 50mm f/1 Nokton, plus a 21mm f/1.4 Nokton, part of my plan to conrtinue to postpone acquiring an expensive M10 Monochrom, by feeding more light to the M Type 246 sensor, as another hot Texas summer means more low-light shooting.
Well done! Glass before bodies every time! Enjoy the lenses and stay cool!
@John B. Bellaire, a small city surrounded by Houston.
Great video as usual!
Thanks Jesse!
I love this lens! Almost always on M11 from the day I got it ✨👌🏼☺️
@@michaelfloyd3651 Gets a bit in the way of the rangefinder. Manual focus wide open with this shallow depth of field contains some practice, a good pair of eyes and a bit of luck now and then. Using the EVF or back screen (for quick shots) definitely makes it easier 👍🏼
Great review and enjoyable video, I love the lack of hyperbolic energy and ambient LED lighting ;)
Haha Thanks for watching!
Nice review. I just picked up a Leica Noctilux-M 50 mm f/1.0 for use with my M11, SL2, and CL (a 1.5x crop sensor camera). I’m looking forward to putting it through its paces, but a few test shots suggest that the depth of field is very tight wide open.
@Generic Photographer awesome review! Thoroughly enjoyed it! Any chance you'd be doing a 75mm noctilux review?
How does this lens compare to the Nokton 1.2 asph ? I am testing the 1.2 out on rental and I'm impressed with it. It's 900 US (without hood I presume) which is half the price of the 1.0 and a bit lighter. Have not tried the 1.0.
Great review! I have the TTArtisans F/.95 and have been very happy with it. But as a fan of Voigtlander lenses I'm intrigued.
The .95 TT is no slouch, it holds up competitively against the Noctilux. This new Nokton is absolutely in its own league, I’d highly suggest trying it out. Cheers!
The physical finish of the Voigtlander f/1.0 lens is much nicer and more refined than that of the TTArtisans f/0.95 lens.
@@arthurpeterson5273 very true
@@arthurpeterson5273 Yeah seems that way. I have not held the new voigtlander yet but I think I'm going to make the purchase soon for all the reasons laid out in this video. I want something more modern on my M3 for occasions when I'm not using the summicron 5cm.
I wanna try this lens as well. I have had Voigtlander 50 f1.1 and f1.2 but already sold it and bought 35 mm f1.2 instead. Really happy with the 35mm.
When you said the bit about the rear element and how it will create issues on mirrorless, my poor little heart just broke in two. 😩 C'est la vie
You can definitely still use it! Just be weary of that.
even if it can be adapted, that price will still break my heart
Nice review.
I was about to pull the trigger on the Voigtländer Nokton 1.0, but I went with the Voigtländer Nokton 1.2 instead. I's almost as fast, comparable optical performance wide open, same ability to isolate subjects, maybe even more since the minimum focus distance is 0.7 meters, it's less heavy, less bulky and easier to focus. And it's half the price!
Good acquisition! I’ll have to look more seriously at the 1.2 now.
1.2 is not on the same level as a summilux, especially at night it really fell apart color wise.
@@crayon2323 Dollar for dollar it's much better than any Leica lens. That's the whole point of buying a Voigtlaender. Their Apo lenses are 99.9999% of what Leica APO lenses offer - at a fraction of the price. Same with the Noctilux lenses.
I have both Noktons. On the 50/1.2: I learned to not code it as a 50/1.2 Noctilux. The latter shows pronounced barrel distortion. The Nokton has slight pin-cushion distortion. SO- the the Noctilux correction is applied to the Nokton, you get severe pin-cushion.
@@weisserthWithout test equipment at home, our judging lens performance is subjective (which is fine, because after all, we use lenses to create images, not MTF charts). I haven’t yet tested any of the Voigtländer APO VM lenses (I will get the 50 & 90), I can say that their wide angle non-APO lenses (15 mm Heliar, 21 mm Color Skopar, 35 mm Nokton Classic), were not as good image-quality (IQ) wise as my Leica WATE-M 16-18-21 or Summilux-M 35 FLE v1. At the time, I was more into IQ than “character”, so I sold those Voigtländer lenses. I might pick a few up again, to take advantage of their signature looks.
well done review and I can subscribe all your statement concerning this lens ITs FUN!!!
Love that lens!
Great review! Do you have any DNG files to share of portraits around 1-3m distance? I am keen on seeing why the lens produced. I will be thankful is you can share :)
Hello. As it is a pretty large lens, does it appear in the viewfinder partially blocking the view ?
Greatings from France
Hi Andrew.
By any chance would you review the Light Lens Lab 8 Elements 35mm F2? It’s a clone of the first 35mm Summicron that has garnered popularity among enthusiasts.
Nice to meet you, suika.d! I see you're considering the TTArtisan 50mm f0.95 and the Nokton 50mm f1 lenses for portrait photography of people and dogs. Both lenses have great bokeh and subject separation. Your cameras are the Leica typ262 and M3. The typ262 doesn't support the Visoflex and the M3 requires precise focusing through the viewfinder. You're a bit concerned about the size of both lenses on the Leica M, but you find the Nokton 50mm f1 easier to operate.
In terms of overall performance, focusing, handling, and color rendition, which lens do I recommend?
My old 50mm 1.1 also had an black inner ring, so it may be a Nokton thing (My other 35mm 1.2 Nokton is the limited edition chrome model so I don't know when Cosina switched to black inner rings with some of their superfast Noktons, the 1.4's I know have chrome ones). It never bothered me because I my old Leica M8 pretty much requires an hot mirror filter if shooting color.
This Voigtlander lens obviously does not bring up an "Lens Profile" in the Leica M10 or M10-R cameras, but perhaps you could manually compensate by selecting the profile for the Leica f/1.0 Noctilux or f/0.95 Noctilux or, if those prove too drastic, the f/1.4 Summilux.
Awesome, thanks for this! This is actually lighter than my Silver (brass) 50 Summilux-M ASPH (my scale says 499g)!
Oh wow. Yeah gotta say I was impressed by the weight
Bought mine 2 months ago for my Leica M-A and boy… it’s my best M lens so far.
I love thick lenses (not long) and this one is perfect. I sold the Nokton 1.5 ii Cuz it’s too small for me.
The F1 sleeps on my m-a.
The film images are just gorgeous. 3D pop as you said is there.
It’s my daily driver for people (friends/family).
Thanks
Did you find it difficult to focus on the M-A ?
@@crispin8888
No, not at all.
I had like 97% hit rate.
I had to practice a lot and I used a 1.4x magnifier too.
At first I was always doubting in my head if I nailed it, but after a while I stopped doubting and just kept going. All negatives came out great.
Practice practice practice practice
@@j.k5654 Thank you very much ! I'll try. The magnifier is good advice.
Greetings, which lens has earned your most glowing endorsement? Noctilux M 50mm f0.95 - TTArtisans 50mm f0.95 OR the Voigtlander Nokton 50mm f1.0 asph vm. Thank you
Noctilux, but the old 50/1.0, not the newer 50/0.95 ones
Fantastic video
Thanks ✨
Great review. Now I want one too 😉
Does a Voigtlander release profiles for all of their lenses? Still waiting on the 90mm 2.8 Apo Skopar profile...
Thanks for watching! They roll out gradually. I’m assuming the profile will drop by the end of the year. In any case the apo nor this lens will really benefit much from their profiles other than slight distortion correction and vignetting. CA correction could help but the slider is just as effective.
@@GenericPhotographer I'll keep an eye out for their profiles. Thanks!
It actually looks a lot like the classic Canon 50/0.95 the photos are also similar would love to try one out.
Interesting take
interesting, to me it looks nothing like the Canon 50/0.95. the Canon has that older double-gauss bokeh with sharp edges around the specular highlights, a huge spherical aberration, almost swirling to the edges. the Voigtlander has none of that.
I was mostly referring to the how the lens itself looks like. Although I agree with your assessment on how the Canon captures photos, there is a lot of variation with the Canon lenses as the technology at that time did not allow for the same level of standardization of photo results.
Thanks for the great review! One question I have - does it obscure the viewfinder window?
All of these large-body, f/0.95 to f/1.0 50mm lenses will block part of what we see through the viewfinder. We cannot change the laws of physics. This Nokton f/1.0 will, indeed, block part of the viewfinder, including a substantial portion that is inside the 50mm frame lines, but, to be fair, we should compare it to such lenses as the Noctiluxes, not to the smaller 50mm lenses, with smaller maximum aperture settings.
For example, the f/0.95 Noctulux, and this f/1.0 Nokton, have virtually identical diameters, but the Noctilux is 75.1mm in length, while the Nokton is 55mm in length. I do not need to put pencil to paper, to realize that the f/0.95 Noctilux will probably block somewhat more of the viewfinder. The Noctilux also weighs substantially more than this Nokton.
It was the Summilux-M 50mm ASPH that first drew me into adding the Leica M system. Later I added a 50mm Summicron, for the times I wanted something a bit smaller, and did not need the faster aperture, or other optical qualities of the Summilux. Later, I added an Elmar-M 50mm lens, for the times when maximum compactness was important. (All acquired pre-owned, in order to spend much fewer US dollars.) Finally, I allowed myself the luxury of buying a new 50mm M-mount lens, and decided that it would be this “Halo” lens, from Voigtlander.
This Nokton does not replace or displace any of my other 50mm lenses; each has its role. In addition to its optical qualities, my Nokton directs another stop of light, into my older M cameras, which seemed to be a better fiscal decision than acquiring an M10-R or M10 Monochrom.
Bought a used one for the SL2S and CL. I might try it on my M film bodies too.
You’ll love it, it was lovely on BW
How much does the lens intrude in viewfinder?
Thank you for this review, where can I see the simples of pic with this lens with Sony body ? This girl maybe have some examples? Please 🙏
Your camera strap is very nice. Do you mind me asking what it is?
how is this vs TTartisan 50mm 0.95?
That gold hexar is doooope!
It really is. I’ll be doing a video on it too 🤫
Good sir, I am a subscriber to your channel and I have a question - your answer to which I am hopeful will solve my dilemma. Simply put, if you could only have one - Leica Noctilux 50 f0.95, f1.2, Summilux 50 f1.4 or the Voigtlander Nokton 50mm f1, which would you select? And why? And I already own the Noct 50 1.2, and the 75 1.25 - but a Noct fan. I’m also considering the 35 f1.4 FLE II, but I’m not really a 35 guy. Continued happiness and success to you and yours. Be Blessed. Chaplain US Navy
How is it adapted to Sony mirrorless?
Hi Andrew, Thanks very much for this very informative review. I like listening to your reflexions, so I left you a subscription and a like. My question is whether you've had a chance to use the Nokton 1.0 on film. Probably you're an exclusive digital shooter though, aren't you? I just thought that a lens like this could nicely supplement the Summicron 50 DR I'm using with my M2. But maybe it'd be an additional treat rather than a meaningful addition anyway.
Thanks for the support, I actually shoot more film for personal work and I did in fact mount it on my M2 and M3. I wanted to get this review out sooner than later and I didn’t bother including the film shots. It’s 3D qualities and contrast worked magically on XP2 400. If you’re a bw shooter this really would be a stunning lens to pair with your M2.
@@GenericPhotographer Wow thank you! I'm indeed primarily a bw shooter with M2 on 35 and a Linhof Master Technika on LF. I'll seriously consider getting one of these once they're available. Here in Berlin they're still on preorder at the moment.
Do you recommend it for M11 Monochrom?
I have the Nokton 50/1.2 and its totally awsome lens. Wonderng if they renders similary.
Haven’t used the 1.2. I’ve heard good things. Guess I should try it to see!
I have both (and 40 f/1.2 Nokton). They are similar. The f/1 is slightly sharper at both 1 & 1.2, it also has significantly more vignetting. Both have wonderful pop and beautiful rendering wide open. Fair to say the 50 f/1.2 is easily the sweet spot at half the price and smaller size, but my f/1 is going nowhere and I love it.
A real superb review of what is clearly an amazing lens. Haha, u could hardly stop smiling; and that in itself is a wonderful comment on the lens. But you also talked about the Cons of the lens, which seemed pretty minor given its Pro’s. I hv to say it looked as if it was made for the Leica; which ofc it was, but some of those long Summicron lens looked totally unsuitable and to my mind spoilt part of the compact and lite appeal of the M11. // Thks, hv Sub’d.
great video.
Thanks!
dude.. thats insane.. I had the noctilux with my sl2s and I loved the look, but I ultimately sold it and was afraid to ever use it lol. I have found the sumilux to be a more usable lens anyways.
damn.... making me want this lens!
What do you mean by “this is like a 80mm f/1.4“ like the look and effect of a certain aperture value doesn’t change depending on the field of view, does it?
The depth of field is similar. Divide the focal length and aperture of each and they’re pretty close. Obviously there’s more compression with a more telephoto lens, however the challenge of focusing is quite similar between the two.
You’re combination of technical knowledge combined with creative expertise is highly valuable. Thanks for taking the time to share.
Thanks for watching!
I’m getting a lot of purple fringing with this lens on the M11
Is there really artifacts to adapting this or other lenses? 😮
I find myself wishing I had opportunities to use this lens. btw...the redhead is really very attractive.
The gold Konica Hexar just chilling in the background… will we see a video on that?
Haha you will definitely see a video on it!
Want. My VM 1.2 is probably as heavy as I want M glass to be. But, still want.
Most night pictures are interesting with good DOF, a 50mm is not gona give you night landscapes all in sharp at F1: - But for dark venues events, without flash, yes, it must be a plus...
Desert island 50mm - this one or the Lux ASPH?
It’ll have to be the lux. The f1 nokton is a great lens for work, producing effortlessly beautiful photos, but I still prefer the Lux as a total package.
This is possible to mount it to the Sony A7R5?
It’ll rock on the Sony. Just be ready for decreased corner performance. If you get a voigtlander close focus adapter you’ll be able to bypass the minimum focus distance too!
How is the viewfinder blockage?
Quite bad as you’d expect. Focus and recompose
how would you compare this to voigt 50 1.2 in terms of FC and bokeh? is the FC well controlled, do you feel the bokeh is harsher on the f1? im a m10-r owner in the market to buy a fast 50
Can’t speak for the 1.2 since I haven’t used it. I found the f1 to be a nice blend of classic and modern with some definition in the bokeh on busy backgrounds, never got too busy but it was something to note.
Hi Andrew! I just want to ask about your opinion on this one and TTartisan 50mm f/0.95
If you looked closely to the photos created by these lenses ? Which one is closer to the noctilux 0.95 look? The TTArtisan or the Voigtlander? Since i want to get the Noctilux look without breaking my bank 😂
Thankyou so much, Andrew! 😁
Hey! Thanks for the comment! The Voigtlander has the contrast and, dare I say, outperforms the Noctilux in sharpness. It’s circumstantial when it comes to bokeh, the TT has better bokeh imho, but the separation isn’t as 3D as either Noct. I’d go for the voigtlander budget permitting, it’s got that glassy look that the Noctilux has, the bokeh can be a little more busy at times but it’s a remarkable lens with lovely character.
@@GenericPhotographer I’ll take the voigtlander then since it’s better than the TTArtisan in overall IQ.
Thankyou sooo much for the information, Andrew! It helped me a lot with the buying decision. 😁
@@brainz406 my pleasure, you definitely won’t regret the decision, plus it’s the smallest of the three!
@@GenericPhotographer i recently bought one and very happy with the result, also OMG! It is so small compared to my 50 GM 😂 the sharpness is incredible yet it retains the characteristics of the lens at f/1. Totally worth the price. Thankyou for your recommendation, Andrew! Can’t do it without your help 😁
有这只镜头跟铭将50/0.95的对比吗
Post more videos on Leica M stuff!
It is an f/1, so by definition it is as wide as it is long ;-). But I know what you mean…. I’m not sure how much time you spent with the Noctilux but it takes time to learn it’s strengths and weaknesses. For example, you can’t expect to put things in the corners of the frame and expect them to stay in focus…
This lens definitely challenges the status quo of ultra fast prime lenses with it’s outright performance. However I think I prefer the “bokeh glob” that the Noctilux produces if I wanted to talk about rendering first. The size and cost differences definitely make for another argument. Feel free to check out my two videos on the Noctilux if you haven’t already!
You speak the truth Paul. Noctilux is really a lens you need to spend a lot of time with to understand how to shoot it best.
Can it be installed on m3? I see the len barrel is quite fat and near the release button of the cam.
Can confirm, it works fine, it’s just a bit of a pain to remove. You can jam your finger in there and twist.
I really really REALLY REEEEEEEEALLY wanted to be able to justify the expense of this lens but to me the bokeh is just ... for want of a better word ... "nervous" - I"m not sure if that's the "bokeh fringing" or CA but it's like an Andy Warhol scene with a shadow-type image to it. I don't see it in all photos but when I see it, I can't un-see it. Which is a shame because, like I say, I was hoping to be able to justify the expense (even though it's an MF lens).
But thanks for taking the time to make this review - very helpful :)
My personal opinion, as the owner of 0.95, etc., if you are looking for individuality, it is better to use the old Noct 1.0 or Canon. Or the Chinese Noctilux - because of the price.
Could I shoot this with my bessa r3m? Or Leica film cameras ?
Of course you can. Mounted it on a M2 and M3 with no problem.
We’re can I buy one no one has them
Really? Have you tried Camtec?
After getting the Summilux 50mm f1.4 ASPH V!! I'm done with Leica glass and the overrated price. Most of their lenses will not suit high MP cameras like the M10 or M11 which is what I Use, and after using some of the voightlanders, they can resolve more details than some of the Leica lenses that were designed exclusively for film. Even the Summilux 50 f1.4 V2 still has the old optical formula with closer focusing distance which add more softness and CA to your image. Voigtlander for me moving forward for my M10 and M11
Would like to see more night shots in the videos, especially different tones of light in different areas of the photo. most of your shots for this one are in the day time or inside. that's really what separates leica from other brands.
Good point, I’ll include more next time 🫡
Where's the smell test and the wind tunnel test?
That’s the long term review
not necessarily to get even Noctilux since I have summilux 50 ver. 2 . I prefer compact lenses and easy to focus
Won't to get one to adapt to my Sony 😊
Im thinking about to get a m10/m10p.. but I’m
Not sure if I need it 😂.. I have a Fuji x pro3 and a Sony a7iii. This just makes no sense, MF, expensive… it can’t do anything better than my other cameras. It’s limiting u very hard.
But man I had it in my hand.. this feels so good in hand. It’s just this. I don’t know 🤷🏻♂️
I have no use for fast lenses. They just make nonsense to me. BUT if I wanted one I'd go for the Voigtlander. The Chineseum lenses are false economy and the Leicas are too rich.
Good to hear about the lack of focus shift, BTW. They obviously took the time to do this one right.
This lens is definitely a refined product. It’s fascinating to see what they’re capable of.
False economy? What do you mean?
@@theonlinething1039 You think you're saving money but you're not. It's much better value to buy old SLR lenses. For a DSLR, no adapter is needed, but even for a DSLM, a good adapter is still cheaper than a Chineseum lens.
I got a Pentax 50/2 recently for $25.
@@Biosynchro There is no 50mm f1/0.95 equivalent retro lens for Pentax or any other mount. The only ones are Leica and Canon, well and only the Noctilux is actually good. And if you're not into the retro look with the weird coatings, guess what, you gotta buy a modern lens.
@@theonlinething1039 Why stop at 0.95? 0.7 is your money melon.
I actually owned this lens but didn’t feel it delivered the image quality. It was quite clinical and unimpressive and uninspiring. It’s the only M mount lens I ever traded/sold because it didn’t make me go out and shoot with it.
Sorry to sound a bit contrarian but I just wasn’t too wow’ed by it.
I think the 50f1.2 Nokton is a way better choice than this. This f1.0 is extremely niche.
When you’ve got the need for speed
way better choice in what way? both these lenses are bad choices for my specific style and use-case :P
@@KNURKonesurin every way shown in the video.
You didn't make me want to buy this lens. It's a really nice lens, but I'm just picky with bokeh and none of them are that great to me. I like an oldschool Planar/Biotar design without the new additional elements that correct a lot of aberrations but also get rid of a lot of the bokeh character making the bokeh bit too smooth and buttery for me. Love the build quality though!
Thats right!👍👍 i use planar and older distagon with canon, and they are so awesome!👌👌🫶🫶.. planar 50mm f1,7 cy t.. and distagon 28mm f2.8 cy.. that planar makes object jump out of picture🤪🤪👍
that CY Planar 50/1.7 is a classic, I've been using the 50/1.4 for many years now and still love it. It's gathering dust since I modified a Canon 50/1.2 LTM to have shorter MFD, but I'll keep it for when I move to Fuji GFX cause the Planar can cover that sensor and the Canon can't.
The voigtlander is not good proportioned on the M body.
I can’t see the crazy good colors you see. In fact that is where the Leica lenses shine. Much more pleasing and natural. No I won’t buy this lens.
Your review makes me wonder if we used the same lens. I’m with Ken Rockwell, it’s garbage.
Hmm the bokeh could be the only thing it could improve on. Calling it garbage is a bit too extreme, are you sure you’re not referring to his 50 f1.1 review?
@@GenericPhotographer Yes its the 1.1 which Rockwell is ref`ing to .
@@absonus figured, couldn’t find anything from him on this newer lens…in which case we clearly didn’t use the same lens.
Large aperture Lenses are so stupid for OVF Cameras !
Never understood why not add autofocus? It's not that hard
COIGTLANDER IS PRONOUNCED 'FOTLSNDER CORECTLY ! f_1 with digital is lessuseful, averagely, than with film. its almost a 'special effects' lens -wafer.thin DOF. - so sharpness is comprimised often. a paid-for promo for sure.
"for sure" lol
No thanks, prefer my Fuji
my god you know nothing about photography.
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