Mac OS Sonoma Should You Upgrade
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30 year tech veteran, never do a .0 release, always wait for a .1. For Sonoma that just came out, I’ll consider it now. Once that happens check ALL your software for compatibility, you’ll find some that isn’t, decide then.
Always have backups, Time Machine AND some cloud option for your data.
I'll try to go back on Time Machine now
I stay one year behind. I just updated to Ventura.
Thanks for verifying what I know.... if it ain't broke don't fix it. Have 3 Macs. One Ventura, One Montery, and One Sonoma. It's all pretty much the same to me with little difference.
All great advice, Barry.
Thank you for the honest answer!!!!
Good advice - especially about treating your music studio computer differently from your personal computer. My MacBook pro is still on Ventura and I plan to leave it there for quite a while until I am sure all the audio software is compatible with the next OS version. As for Windows 11 PCs vs. MacBook Ventura, I have personally found that Windows 11 is optimized for doing "batch processing tasks", so apps like Sound Forge, Photoshop, MS Office, Email, browsing the Internet, etc. work fine. However, when it comes to "demanding real-time audio tasks" like DJ DVS software, performing with Ableton Live etc. where low latency requirements are super important and you cannot afford any USB/MIDI burps or hiccups while you are playing/recording your music, a MacBook Pro on Ventura is the far superior option. My MacBook Pro has never messed up with real-time music software and it also runs much cooler with longer battery life than my Windows 11 PC. So I do all my real-time music/audio tasks on my MacBook Pro, and I do the batch processing (higher latency) tasks on my Windows 11 PC, and that arrangement has been working out good for me so far.
yeah im afraid of that
I just recently upgraded to Ventura. I have decided to no longer use new MacOS versions but wait until that version is "complete" in other words, I just upgraded to Ventura after Sonoma came out. And then perhaps when the next one comes out then I will go to Sonoma.
Hey I'm on Monty thinking about moving up to Ventura now that Sonoma is out.. Any issues? I'm assuming you're on Silicon..
I had a similar idea. Running Serato dj pro on i9 intel on Ventura. Thought about the Sonoma update but not having any issues currently. I hear the next iOS may not be compatible with intel and maybe then upgrade to Sonoma. Can’t find a lot of info from dj’s.
good idea.. I'll wait then
For audio I always stay one version behind- it is just safer - it gives time for Avid and others to catch up and certify the new OS.
I never upgraded unless it’s something I want, which is never lol. Don’t care about features. As long as my programs work I could care less about OS features
Maybe now with Logic 11 is worth considering but yet the Daw does not have crazy upgrades for Pro. Stem splitter is the only real new feature that feels worth going through the trouble
Great helpful video, thank you 👍👍
Keep in mind, that was time specific, I’m testing the most recent version and it’s getting there! Around the corner for everything!
Thank you for this video. Staying with Ventura.
Yes I had a major problem when I updated my mac m1 to sonoma.. until they released another update then my pro tools worked fine after that
I have going thru exatly what you are saying new on Mac OS. But after the new update of Sonoma 14.1 everything look working great. Before the only DAW that give me a problems was Nuendo 12 now is great. Thanks
Regarding dual booting: Hold "Option" while booting. We have been able to do this since MacOS 8 in 1997. Thanks for the video, Barry.
Nice pro tools rig you got rocking there. The evil empire welcomes you home 😂
I always upgrade all my Apple devices on day one and never have a problem. I simple will not use products from companies whose products break with updates because they don’t follow Apple’s programming guidelines. Also, I don’t use hardware that requires drivers - my SSL 2 audio interface has a driver for Windows but does not have or need one for Mac because it is Core Audio compliant. Compliant is the key word.
I don't want to sound mean, but updating on day-one is an amateur move
@@KC-bi9jw You're with the common wisdom people, and that's fine. I'm retired and do not depend on working in order to live reasonably well. I've been updating as soon as possible with my Macs since mid/late 1984 and have never had any real problem. I did have to learn that driver's are evil and to never use hardware that requires them. And I've had to blacklist certain companies that tend to have problems with system updates because their code does not follow Apple's guidelines. But this all results in having an extremely stable system by not using the things that are likely to break in the first place.
@@JimGramze Please chill with that common wisdom BS... Common wisdom is to upgrade on autopilot. Adobe, Avid, Logic, etc. Many Top companies fail due to upgrades... and sometimes Apple's own apps are not compatible after and Apple upgrade, so you shouldn't even be using Apple products by that logic (see what I did there? Of course you didn't). Talk about self-aggrandizing. SMH.
I need to keep unplugging my SSL 2 USB-C cable and plugging it back in to get Mac mini to recognize it, but otherwise no problems!
That’s crazy mon
I'm with Logic Pro so obviously thats compatible. Most of my plugins seem to be compatible too, at least the ones I care about. I'm upgrading today to get the new Logic features, wish me luck!
14.1 has been flawless for me so far
Usually, I upgrade after 4-5 months later. Ventura OS is working fine for me, and I agree if ain't broken, don't fix it! My Mac is for production, and I don't need the bells and whistles from Sonoma. I'm not upgrading anytime soon. I learned the hard way a long time ago.
thnk you !
Sonoma with Nuendo 12 has gui issues. The update to Sonoma 14.1 i believe fixed these issues.
Ugh... my UAD native just started playing nice with my M1 Max Mac Studio and DP. No way I'm going to take a chance for at least a couple of months.
Exactly! Same page here. Ventura is the best place to stay for now.
It’s so annoying trying to keep up.
hi Barry. We had a breakinn at my studio and house. stlo all my equipment but my macbook pro m1. Because they are so powerfull, I thought of using it for all my studio work....cubase , da vinci resolve and also my NI software with my komplete 88key controller. Ive got the latest operating system and want to know how well Native instruments and also cubase work with this mackbook pro and any advice realy you got for me.
Just upgraded to Ventura 2 days ago! Lol
Liked! DAWS problems Qbase ProTools @ 3:45
Unfortunately I freshly bought into new equipment. New mac studio, (running sonoma) new ssl daw controllers and so on...
Yep! I've run into compatibility issues. All I can do is be patient and hope it will be resolved quickly.
That’s a great purple guitar over your shoulder
I don't think people's frustration toward apple is unfounded at all Barry...
The older versions of Pro Tools WON'T run on newer versions of Mac OS, seems why people get frustrated at that is obvious. There also always comes a point where the newer version of your DAW will no longer support or function on your OS.. so yeah. I see the frustration when a company feels the need to make a totally new, mostly arbitrary OS every year. The compatability RANGE for Windows 10 + 11 is much, much larger for most DAWs
I usually update every other OS for the same reason. Make sure everything is compatible, In some cases it may cost to update plugins or software so I don’t see the point in updating every time there’s a new OS.
I’m very reluctant to upgrade my Mac OS because one time I did it and it wiped out EVERYTHING I had recorded on Cubase! Apple had me wipe the hard drive and re install each OS one by one until I was up to the current version. What a massive frustrating pain in the ass!!! Haven’t touched it since and the computer keeps asking me the upgrade. NO, NO, and NO!!!
So Barry I see Avid S1 has replaced the SSL UF8 on your desk. Why ? And since I'm getting ready to invest and was going with the SSL should I be putting on the brakes
I Have Only Been a Mac User Since 1997 Or So My First Mac Was a Power Macintosh 7600 So Yes The Mac Rule Is Stay At Lest One OS Behind I Am On Monterey Sill But About To Go Ventura And The Only Reason I Am Doing That Is Because I Can't Upgrade To The Latist Version Of Final Cut Pro x 10.6.10 Being On Monterey
Good advice Barry!!! I'm still on Monterey on my Mac Studio but considering going to Ventura. I'm curious Barry, when upgrading to a new OS version on your Mac do you typically go the "upgrade" route or do you do a clean install of the OS and then re-installing all your software? I have done the clean install route on my Macs and even back to the days when I had Windows. Unfortunately doing things that way tends to take more time. Just curious how you upgrade your MacOS... Thanks!!! 😎🎶
Similar situation.. Mac Studio on Monty thinking about moving up to Ventura
I updated from macOS 10.15: Catalina, using Cubase Pro 13, with zero problems. Also using Arturia plugins, with zero problems (Arturia official statement on their website that it might not work).
Are you saying you upgrades to Sonoma and are having no issues in Cubase?
@@BarryJohns yup, zero problems with Cubase Pro 13
I’ve just bought an m3 pro laptop waiting for delivery….I’m upgrading from an intel 2012 iMac 😂…on studio one 5 & upgrading to studio one 6 🤔
No issues with Reaper v7.02 & Sonoma on using it for music production. A general issue with Sonoma for me is once again my MacBook Air M1 and a OWC Thunderbolt dock with a Samsung monitor is having issues coming out of sleep mode(in clamshell mode). It has to restart every time. 🙄😡
Had similar issues with M2 studio, coming out of sleep. This seems to be fixed with the latest update.
I tested Sonoma on a new mac in the store it seemed fine, yet on my M1 I see issues with graphics. I've not had many problems so the upgrade was worth it (i never do these upgrades usually. before a year but this reason is its a boost in performance). If you are not looking for a free boost, stay on what you are using, if you'd like about 5-10% free upgrade, and accept there might be a few things to deal with wwhich were not many however I found but definitley a few but I am coping with it. However I am starting to wonder if Windows is worth looking at as you can get a power system for a lot less than a Mac and if you take a look, they are developing ARM chips (basically the same tech as Apple Silicon) that will be much more powerful that will be running Windows in the near future.
Problem is software developer updating their products to ARM on a PC.
@@lorcazola true it will take time. It’s cheaper though - and the benefits of relniabliliy on macs is reducing as time goes on. They used to be pretty rock solid but I’m seeing less and less of a benefit. Still battery life on apple silicon kills intel based laptops so for now I am staying on MacBooks maybe just use Windows for a desktop.
Unfortunately Kontakt 7 causes crushing on Logic Pro x when I try to load samples trough MIDI Controller S88 MK3 very often and I am trying now to go to a previous OS before I get to doctor…🤯😓. ( according to Native Instruments Support …solution is coming “soon) I😒😏
The bigger question, for me, is whether I can update to 14.1.1 after the nightmare experience of my M1 MBP failed 12.7 update. That required a trip to the Apple Store for emergency revival and the forced install of Sonoma. Please tell me whether the 14.1.1 will not brick my M1 🙏
how is the condition right now sir? I'm still sticking with the Monterey MBP M1. Really confuse me whether to upgrade or not.
Either Ventura or Sonoma don't offer me something new I would need and my system is quite stable, consequently I guess I'll stick on Monterey on my present Macs.
I'm on Monterey as well. Kinda would like to install the latest Logic Pro... Requires Venture or higher... :(
@@oldtreefarm If you think you'll need the new features of Logic 10.9 you can update if you want. Personnaly, as I use Logic too, I did it yesterday. 1st on my spare "vacations" laptop and after tests (my Apollo interface, my MIDI interface and my main plugins) I did it on my main Mac in the studio.
Everything goes well so far. But I didn't update to Sonoma, just to Ventura.
Damnit barry im so sick of uprgrading. i pretty much gotta get a new mac just to run new silicone plugins😭😭
It will be worth it I promise.
Garageband is constantly crashing with Sonoma ... it always worked perfect with Catalina, and I tried to upgrade to Big Sur or Ventura, but it was expired :( That, because I needed some of the new OS features to make things work like Logic Pro or that stage thing
Based on lots of these comments I'm happy to be in windows
I do wish apple would slow down just a littleeee
Completely agree. I love their cutting edge ambitions but for Pete's sake Apple, let third part developers get caught up!!!
Great feedback, however, Windows is a "fantastic" OS? Anyone with that evaluation typically has not had the experience of using Window("less") OSes in a corporate, enterprise environment, especially working with high multi-million dollar bids, proposals and contracts. Nonetheless, again, a great, succinct overview of the "fantastic" MacOS.
m1 pro should update?
I would not upgrade yet. At least if you use iCloud Drive. I use a Mac at work and while the rest is fine, iCloud Drive is broken. Fortunately I don’t need it.
Back on pro tools?
The KEY WORD IS WHY Should you?
SonomaOS disabled my SoundFlow and my ProTools keyboard function when typing in plugins. So weird!
Went back to Ventura. Stable af
I stayed on Monterey till yesterday. I upgraded my M1 mini to Sonoma, and the only issue I have is with Superior Drummer 3. I’m getting the “plugin not responding, please quit or reload” message in Logic. Anyone else having that issue?
Yep. I was getting that but i updated to Ventura 13.6 and it sorted it. It was only happening with waves plug ins
I upgrade my 24-inch iMac M1 to Ventura to macOS 14 Sonoma without backing up my computer but for my files I used iCloud instead. When I made the leap to macOS Sonoma I was surprised that my iMac doesn't have any problem from using the operating system because I do basic tasks and used it for entertainment. I have found that my iMac running Sonoma was pretty much stable and the performance was perfect I have encounter any problems whatsoever. I pretty much love Sonoma and also i can't wait for macOS 15 in 2024 so I could upgrade to that version as well if the features or anything that sort that makes my interests my needs to upgrade to that newer version of macOS. 😇🥰😁
Invest in hardware, tired of updates. Apple took away my apple id for no
reason whatsoever. Looking into a dedicated hardware mutitrack recorder that can do the job.
yes, you can always decide not to evolve, until your an ios developer, and you need to support new ios version, but new ios versions are only supported in their respective macos release 😪
All this media musix software is so sketch and does all this weird stuff depending on the OS. I am on office 2016 and it rocks so much no matter what OS I use ;) /s
I’m still on Monterey is Ventura ok to update to?
All good
...my mammy told me : ))
an upgrade means better than before but on mac an upgrade means so many things will not work so why upgrade i think somebody is not telling apple the truth about the upgrades
I would agree with you for the first month, after that, smooth sailing.
ompability issues on mac too frustrating they even tell you to contact software developers,thanks for replying@@BarryJohns
Never upgrade. I just ride it
Out till I get a new rig
A new operating system every year sucks big time for everyone. Definitely don't upgrade to Sonoma a LOT of software is not compatible. Which features of a new OS are really useful in practise? Even snow leopard was just fine decades ago. It's mind boggling what they want with the constant flow of new Mac OS...
More useless features that I almost never use, problem is some app like the web browser make upgrade necessary for certain website to work
Hi. I am on both Mac and PC. Sorry to say, but you are contradiction yourself here. "Mac OS is about adding new features and windows updates is about stability" and then you go on to say "Don't update to Sonoma cause it will break your system". That sounds to me like Mac OS updates is very much about messing with the core and adding instability and problems. And I agree that Mac OS updates usually break some stuff. Sonoma 14.0 brought some issues for me, but Sonoma 14.1 seems ok. With that said I agree that it is is risky and unnecessary road to update at once. But please don't say Mac is adding features and Windows is not, that just is not true, they both change the core and often cause issues and also both add features and functions.
We will have to agree to disagree as I too operate windows and all I get are security updates, rarely and new compelling features. Different story when they come out with a new operation system which is fairly rare. Every Mac OS brings new compelling features, some more than others depending on workflow/needs.
Again both are great. Also keep in mind that DAW users are a. Where are you small percentage of max users. We all know or should know that we should never jump on the latest and creates os release.
what fucking question? who tha fuck are considering upgrade into a beta version?
You’d be surprised
You wasted almost half of the video on an irrelevant aspect of the question those of us that clicked on your video wanted to hear your opinion... so I didn't even stay to hear the answer... 🤨
You have a choice, don’t watch, why you feel the need to tell me how to run MY channel says a lot about you.
@@BarryJohns Did I hurt your feelings? lol
i work with Mac. Linux and Windows and you are completely ignorant on Windows
Microsoft released a new version of windows like every 3 to 6 years while MACs were trapped with MAC OS 10.X from 2001 to 2019 lol
Only in the past 4 years has Apple stepped on the gas with the development of MAC OS
Well somebody demonstrating ignorance and it’s not me. I too have maintained a windows machine along with my Mac since the 90’s.
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