Who Needs Freaking Room Treatment Anymore! - dSoniq Realphone v2

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  • Опубликовано: 31 дек 2024

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  • @bobbyboyderecords
    @bobbyboyderecords 2 месяца назад +12

    I put my car into my living room so I could mix in it, thanks for the advice Barry. Another plus the wife and kids left so now I have more time to mix

  • @KenjiStandlee
    @KenjiStandlee 2 месяца назад +3

    Barry, you've got some funny takes sometimes! Thanks for sharing

  • @JKOnTheTrack
    @JKOnTheTrack 2 месяца назад +7

    I have Dsoniq and been with VSX since founders edition. I use both all the time and get the best results from which either one. I use monitors last just to listen.

    • @GermoStaalfeldt
      @GermoStaalfeldt 2 месяца назад

      I wonder if u do electronic stuff?

    • @JKOnTheTrack
      @JKOnTheTrack 2 месяца назад

      @@GermoStaalfeldt rap/hip-hop

    • @GermoStaalfeldt
      @GermoStaalfeldt 2 месяца назад

      @@JKOnTheTrack Well can I hear? Soundcloud, I wonder how is dsoniq making difference?

    • @DeadOriginalMusic
      @DeadOriginalMusic 11 дней назад +1

      which do you like better? VSX or Dsoniq? you should make a youtube video about it haha

  • @glitchunicorn
    @glitchunicorn 2 месяца назад +11

    I know someone who spent over 7k getting sound treatment for a room, paid for tons of advice for it and eqing. And still there was a 150 hz null in the room. It was the worst

    • @Mr-Keyes
      @Mr-Keyes 2 месяца назад +1

      Damn !

    • @phfatband
      @phfatband 2 месяца назад +2

      150hz null is usually floorbounce. Even the most expensive rooms in the world have it unless you treat the floor (most famous example being bop studios in South Africa)
      If you do treat the floor you lose what some people consider to be an important locational cue. We orient ourselves using reflections.
      Most fun part is that you can’t eq out floor bounce. It’s a phase based issue to do with physical space. It is easy to identify floor bounce because the null will move up in frequency as you move back in the room.

  • @TheImageDoctor
    @TheImageDoctor 2 месяца назад +3

    Damn... you have SUCH a perfect personality for what you do on YT - I was so impressed with your overall delivery and personality, I had to keep scrubbing back thru the video to hear what you actually said LOL !!!!! I mean, I Liked and Sub'd just out of principle LOL

  • @Twongo
    @Twongo 2 дня назад

    1. Air loss helps you judge dynamic changes more accurately.
    2. You can't move your head in earphones of any kind.
    2 being the most important point. By simply breathing our heads move back and forth between the speakers. Giving us vital phase information that contributes to correlation, equalization, and stereo field placement.
    Mix in air. With speakers.
    Earphones are specialized tools that have their place in the mixing process. Actually doing the mixing aint it.
    NOW, that being said - I'm certainly going to pick this product up. Because I'm also of the belief that you can't have too many monitor arrays in your control room. The more things you can listen on the more you can tell how your mix is going to translate

  • @Mrfpsara
    @Mrfpsara 2 месяца назад +3

    Sennheiser hd 490 plus comes with deer reality software, it does everything this plug in does plus a great monitoring headset, made to last, super comfortable, it’s the best purchase I have ever made…so much worth it.

  • @587583922
    @587583922 2 месяца назад +4

    "Learn your room" is always good advice, but there are limits. If you have a bad enough node/antinode, you can't learn it... you wind up guessing based on meters and hoping for the best.
    Headphones or IEMs solve a LOT of problems. I have a treated room, but the fact is that there are still things I prefer about monitoring without a room. If i had to pick one or the other, it wouldn't be the expensive room.

  • @ZodiacVoodoo23
    @ZodiacVoodoo23 2 месяца назад +1

    Love it...I'm a live engineer and hobby recordist....I struggle with monitors. I'm used to more "Space". I can get that with Realphones.

  • @johnvcougar
    @johnvcougar 2 месяца назад +5

    In all honesty, having multiple monitoring systems is mandatory but very confusing to the average audio punter. Nothing beats knowing your mix environment so well that you pull good mixes out of it. Nothing. Be that VSX, Nx, your room, your airpods, whatever gives you YOUR sound, and consistently.
    I found a very interesting thing happened when I first got into VSX. I had made some progress using CLA Nx, but it was still all a bit weird.
    The penny really dropped when I chose a VSX room that was close to my own mix environment - similar speakers, layout, monitor options, even headphones. I did a couple of mixes in VSX and then took the cans off, fired up the mix room monitors, and there it was ... clear as a bell. Nice weird sensation, goose bumps.
    Something in my cognitive centre switched a mode or something, and now the issues with all those environments became more "transparent" and all my mixes are now fine, because finally, I get it.
    VSX was worth every penny, if just for that experience. F*ck yeah. 😊

    • @waves7300
      @waves7300 2 месяца назад

      I got some a8h’s and some Yamahas hs8 and it does help a ton! Just like Barry said it’s good to know your monitors and your room.

  • @CaptainProton1
    @CaptainProton1 2 месяца назад +8

    VSX headphones are a known calibration. Most studio headphones like HD600's and the standard DT range are a bit of a crapshoot. VSX new version 5 software should be good, I've done my best mixes with VSX 4.

    • @rusj5273
      @rusj5273 2 месяца назад

      Yeah, there really help with fixing pesky frequencies and the rooms are so crazy because I'll switch to different room and find something that's out of place. I want to get the Platinum package sometime in the near future, It's so helpful. When is the new version coming out BTW?

    • @DavidRavenMoon
      @DavidRavenMoon 2 месяца назад +1

      Just familiarize yourself to your headphones. Listen to music you know well. There’s no need to calibrate anything.
      Andrew Scheps uses $100 Sony headphones to mix on.

    • @werewolfmedialv
      @werewolfmedialv 2 месяца назад

      @@DavidRavenMoon Andrew Scheps also has better ears and talent then 99.9999% of peeps on this thread, y'all gonna need as much help as possible to mix like him.

  • @timshadgett
    @timshadgett 2 месяца назад +4

    I broke 2 sets of VSX without treating them rough at all. Now I use Neumann NDH-30 and Toneboosters Morphit and Canopener. Really happy with this setup one year later!

    • @JKOnTheTrack
      @JKOnTheTrack 2 месяца назад

      What kind of settings do you use with Canopener? Thinking about trying that with my NDH-30 also.

    • @timshadgett
      @timshadgett 2 месяца назад +1

      @@JKOnTheTrack I highly recommend it! Use Morphit first with a Generic Studio target and then Canopener with the default settings is fine, although I boost the Bass by 2.5db as my own preference. My mixes translate better now than in the 35 years I have been doing it!

    • @timshadgett
      @timshadgett 2 месяца назад +2

      I did a shootout with a few correction plugins including Sonarworks and Realphones and found Morphit won for me. I don’t hear any phasiness or smearing like I did with the others. Really articulate.

    • @JKOnTheTrack
      @JKOnTheTrack 2 месяца назад

      @@timshadgett I appreciate the info thank you. Definitely going to try these out and see what the result is.

    • @JKOnTheTrack
      @JKOnTheTrack 2 месяца назад

      Maaaan I bought canopener and used it with my sonarworks for now and I don't know why I haven't tried that sooner. I appreciate you for that. Definitely a big difference remixing a new song I'm about to release and instantly made changes I heard with the NDH30. Respect man. I aint going back lol. Gonna have to demo morphit now.

  • @reeread
    @reeread 2 месяца назад

    Sony MDR 7506 is what I know how to mix and monitor on with stereo cubes for vocal and stereo matching. I also use 6” front ported 2 way bookshelf speakers stuffed with cotton balls and finally a spectrum analyzer. I take this set up on location or wherever I am and mix without any issues. I guess I’m a bit old school. Thank you for the review.

  • @TonyThomas10000
    @TonyThomas10000 2 месяца назад +6

    I like mixing on headphones using Toneboosters Morphit. Cheap and effective solution.

    • @rusj5273
      @rusj5273 2 месяца назад

      I haven't tried that one yet, I know Tonebooster are really good plugins. Do you use the harman curve with that plugin? or have you heard about the Harman App? I use VSX and IK multimedia room correction.

    • @TonyThomas10000
      @TonyThomas10000 2 месяца назад

      @@rusj5273 I haven't tried that curve. Will have to check it out! Morphit is a great app!

    • @GermoStaalfeldt
      @GermoStaalfeldt 2 месяца назад

      Is there demo version?

    • @TonyThomas10000
      @TonyThomas10000 2 месяца назад

      @@GermoStaalfeldt Yep...time unlimited demos. You just can't save.

    • @GermoStaalfeldt
      @GermoStaalfeldt 2 месяца назад

      @@TonyThomas10000 Okay, I mean wha usage it has? If we just need to learn the sound anyway? I mean why can't we just stick headphones and learn them, coz if I get the plugin, that means I need to learn again new sound?

  • @97guitarzan
    @97guitarzan 2 месяца назад

    Interesting...I.ve been using the Waves NX Ocean Way Nashville mostly just to check bass. I have a studio where I can mix in monitors, but I find handy for another reference..thanks for info and video.I'm going to check this out..

  • @skittish-kitten
    @skittish-kitten 2 месяца назад

    Thank you Barry! You just saved me a lot of money.

  • @fischergreen4134
    @fischergreen4134 2 месяца назад +4

    Treating my room properly was the biggest single move I made to improve my mixing I could hear the depth of the mix the EQ and compression moves. I could never mix with headphones I have to be able to ‘see the mix’ in front of me

  • @theswedishmusicstudio
    @theswedishmusicstudio 2 месяца назад +3

    I thought i might add some things.
    1. Sonarworks don’t offer crossfeed or room emulation.
    2. Learning a room is equally important in realphones. Choose a room and stick with it.
    3. The better the headphones the better the result, even in realphones. The correction curves can’t correct for bad drivers or badly designed cups.
    4. There is a zoom. You almost clicked it yourself when opening the menu…
    5. Vsx headphones are as far from flat as you can come. They becomes flat when they are corrected in software. Without it they sound like utter crap.

    • @robertjason6885
      @robertjason6885 2 месяца назад +1

      SonarWorks Sound ID DOES have room emulation.

    • @theswedishmusicstudio
      @theswedishmusicstudio 2 месяца назад +1

      @@robertjason6885 oh. Cool. Didn’t know. I was obviously not up to date. Is it any good or as weird sounding as the regular headphone calibration (used to be? It’s been a while)? Only setting i was happy with was the linear phase mode and that added a ton of latency… :/ tried for a few years but gave up…
      I feel the same about Sienna btw. Something makes me slightly nauseous.

    • @robertjason6885
      @robertjason6885 2 месяца назад

      @@theswedishmusicstudioNot fond of the monitor emulation. It’s sort of a novelty, the different sized monitors do sound different, but the impression of actually being in a room is not there.

  • @gtello69
    @gtello69 2 месяца назад +1

    Hello Barry. Thank you for your channel, it is super helpful. I want to ask if you have some video about the Harmann curve. Yo have something of this?

  • @richertz
    @richertz 2 месяца назад +1

    I notice this more as I get older - ears get tired quick. I 've decidced to move to detached property with treatment. That should solve the issue. More soon 🙂

  • @robertjason6885
    @robertjason6885 2 месяца назад

    I have 4 pairs of the original Audio Technic ATH M50s I use for my vocalists. 14 years and going strong. All cables perfect. I auditioned their updated versions, which I felt was bass heavy. I have SonarWorks Sound I’d, but there is no eq choice for the M50s, only the newer ones. I don’t record with SW instantiated, As I monitor with HD 650s. Time to watch the rest of your vid!

    • @Tacitade
      @Tacitade 2 месяца назад

      Is 650 any good? Is there a big difference? Is it worth investing in for mixing?

    • @robertjason6885
      @robertjason6885 2 месяца назад +1

      @@TacitadeYes, but I’d get some sort of software like sound I’d, this DSoniq

  • @definfected
    @definfected 2 месяца назад

    Excellent vid Barry!! I might look into this plugin a bit more because I think it will help me a lot. Thanks for sharing!! Much ❤️ BJ!!

  • @robertjason6885
    @robertjason6885 2 месяца назад

    Excellent vid.

  • @robertjason6885
    @robertjason6885 2 месяца назад

    As I already own SoundID.. the complete offering with mic, would I find this software helpful… or even better?

  • @3riccarlson
    @3riccarlson 2 месяца назад

    I’d be curious of your opinion of the new Genelec headphones or your opinion on the GLM software

  • @KC-bi9jw
    @KC-bi9jw 2 месяца назад

    me mixing at home: all mid and low end decisions are made on my Audeze LCD-X, then to my speakers for everything else. I have VSX for on the road, but now im gonna add this plugin to the arsenal

  • @alfreeburger
    @alfreeburger 7 дней назад

    Sonarworks isn’t really that expensive. If you just want it for headphones it’s $100 if you add virtual modeling to the headphone correction it’s $149. Realphones standard lists for $100 and pro for $149, so…
    You didn’t mention Waves NX or Sienna.

  • @calmuzacc
    @calmuzacc 2 месяца назад

    I bought those steven slate headphones when they first came out. They broke the second week. So you are spot on what the durability! 1

  • @CementShoesStudios
    @CementShoesStudios 2 месяца назад

    I have multiple Ultrasone headphones and not many of the apps support native. I currently have an Abbey Roads headphone mixing solution. is it worth it to try this?

  • @frankwalders
    @frankwalders 2 месяца назад

    Can you also compensate for some hearing loss, my left ear is not that fresh anymore?

  • @terry2315
    @terry2315 2 месяца назад +1

    Barry, you have brought it up multiple times over the many videos. Don't turn your music up when you mix. I have used both of these systems, they are both good. Having a treated area is preferable especially if you are also tracking. Getting good takes in the first place will make your life a lot easier.

  • @JuiceNZ
    @JuiceNZ 2 месяца назад +1

    VSX is the best thing ever , my best investment in the studio that iv ever made

    • @BarryJohns
      @BarryJohns  2 месяца назад

      I used mine regularly

  • @OfficialADONISMusic-bv3qe
    @OfficialADONISMusic-bv3qe 2 месяца назад +1

    VSX headphones are more durable now. It has a metal strip going through the headphone band now. Love vsx

  • @kevinturvey8213
    @kevinturvey8213 2 месяца назад

    i've been using slate vsx - very inexpensive, it works, and the mixes sound great!

  • @williamshaneblyth
    @williamshaneblyth 2 месяца назад

    awesome thankyou. ive looked at this on their website. you give some important advice it sounds like. Id really be keen if your inclined to do that setup video you mentioned. even if you split it into several shorter videos. One thing i cant firgure out is if I get the demo how do I really know what version Id get . there site is not really very clear on whats missing. I might have to chat to support pre buying to sort this question out.. Thanks again really appreciate your channel.

  • @MaisonLexBeatz
    @MaisonLexBeatz 2 месяца назад

    Been using realphones before the hype, and still use daily. The most important advice I would give for new users is - LEARN IT as you learn new monitoring. Do NOT switch presets and hope they will do the rest of work for you. You gotta make your own preset to your taste and live with it for a couple weeks just by listening to music.

  • @ericwassell9872
    @ericwassell9872 2 месяца назад

    Barry your video quality is amazing on this video! What camera, lens, and lights are you using?

    • @edwardx.winston5744
      @edwardx.winston5744 2 месяца назад

      He’s been a good study on the subject. Tremendous improvements since he began, to the place he’s at now, which is top-shelf.

  • @LodvarDude
    @LodvarDude 2 месяца назад +1

    Now Barry, as clever as this software is, isn't it just another complication? Isn't it just as useful and way more sustainable to understand your environment and know what it does to your mixes? Be it headphones or untreated room?

  • @arlofinch9326
    @arlofinch9326 4 дня назад

    Hang curtains or even blankets

  • @sin_phany_tv
    @sin_phany_tv 2 месяца назад

    Hey, what’s up, I am visually impaired individual that lives in Orlando and I would love to meet you if that’s cool, also I got sponsored by this company about a month ago and I haven’t installed it on my M3 max as of yet. Is this the same plug-in or is this something new with the new update from console? I’m just wondering, how do you get it to work with the Apollo twin X? Since I can’t see, is this something that gets pulled up directly in console now or what? Sorry for so many questions. Really hope you could clarify and really hope to talk to you soon. if it is the same plug-in, which it sounds like it is do I just install their plug-in from their website and then I have access to it from console? Well, thanks again.

  • @tkelong3569
    @tkelong3569 2 месяца назад

    I’ve been at this for quite a while and more than room treatment you need to learn how to mix. I’ve never even considered treatment. Recently sent a song I produced in my home studio to a 3X Grammy winner.
    He said it was a great song and he couldn’t find anything that he would change as far as mixing and mastering. You really just need to learn how to mix. Don’t waste your time and money pining away after some room treatment.
    I’m sure it’s great to have but you definitely don’t nEEd it.

  • @MichaelCosta_
    @MichaelCosta_ 2 месяца назад

    To me the elephant in the room with all these products (not including VSX) is that I can buy a pair of, for example, $1,500 Audeze headphones, but they're not good enough out of the box and need a $69 plugin curve applied to them to make them accurate? The concept feels wrong. Why can't a giant company like Sennheiser "tune" their most expensive headphones in such a way that they don't need an additional EQ curve applied?

  • @GermoStaalfeldt
    @GermoStaalfeldt 2 месяца назад

    I belive it is the future that we can be mobile and get great mixes on headphones, but I dont know how

    • @BarryJohns
      @BarryJohns  2 месяца назад

      This is a good start

  • @wcarballeira
    @wcarballeira 2 месяца назад

    I clicked the link and didn’t see the discount

    • @BarryJohns
      @BarryJohns  2 месяца назад

      I’ll have to find out why that is, it might not be until tomorrow, as there is a difference in time zone. The company is based out of Germany.

    • @wcarballeira
      @wcarballeira 2 месяца назад

      @@BarryJohns ok thanks, I will check that agin cause I really want it, but so far I clicked the link and put the product in cart and price is the same

    • @BarryJohns
      @BarryJohns  2 месяца назад +1

      First, let me thank you for checking with me, I just found out that there’s a coupon code. I have updated this in the description, but if you use this coupon code, you’ll get the discount.
      BARRYJ

    • @wcarballeira
      @wcarballeira 2 месяца назад +1

      @@BarryJohns thank you great work on your channel 👌🏼

    • @tonemasterus
      @tonemasterus 2 месяца назад

      Tried BARRYJ but it doesn’t work

  • @DamnnnDarius
    @DamnnnDarius 2 месяца назад

    Itis resizable, its just in a hidden menu

  • @jimmygigga6819
    @jimmygigga6819 2 месяца назад +2

    The noise gate on this video is very annoying.

    • @williamshaneblyth
      @williamshaneblyth 2 месяца назад

      never noticed it

    • @UncleBenjs
      @UncleBenjs 2 месяца назад

      ​@@williamshaneblythYou cant hear each time it kicks in and the low level soft hiss drops to silence?

    • @mikesparti828
      @mikesparti828 2 месяца назад

      At least he isn't wasting millisecond of time. It's full of great info.😊

  • @Harrysound
    @Harrysound 2 месяца назад +1

    If you’re considering going down this rabbit hole then here’s some advice. Don’t use any of these nonsense plugins for speakers or headphones. Get a few bits of treatment for the walls and do something about the bass build up in the corners , just get those reflections under control. Learn your headphones, learn your speakers. Find out where your room modes are (mine is around 130hz) and bare that in mind. If you need to download this and that or spend 100s to get it out of your system then go ahead. I used sonarwork, built my own treatment, bought treatment, blah blah blah. Just learn the speakers and the room.

    • @GermoStaalfeldt
      @GermoStaalfeldt 2 месяца назад +1

      Interesting, there are so many young producers who actually do other way around, using cheap headphones and their tracks sound unique original, and great songs, so I wonder if there sets of rules actually make song sound flat, coz everyone want to have flat response, perfect frequency response and al the technical sides, there is something nice about fresh mind into music, its just that one has fun with music and creating it, I notice the more time went on, the more technical it gets and joy of creating goes away instead we worry about technical details

    • @BarryJohns
      @BarryJohns  2 месяца назад +2

      I used to think that way, times have changed, we have new tools. At one point I would have said the same thing about amp modelers, not anymore.
      Also, your comment doesn’t speak to the challenges that I bring up quite a bit in the video.

    • @GermoStaalfeldt
      @GermoStaalfeldt 2 месяца назад

      @@BarryJohns I wonder if I can demo this? I have dt 1990 headphones to try out

    • @Harrysound
      @Harrysound 2 месяца назад

      @@BarryJohnsbeen using amp modelling exclusively for about 15 years now. POD >guitar rig pro>axe fx 2>fm9. They marked it many years ago now. I do find it strange that there are people who just won’t have it….

  • @DavidRavenMoon
    @DavidRavenMoon 2 месяца назад +5

    The whole point of headphones is they eliminate the room. There’s no room. Just the audio directly into your ears.
    There’s zero reasons to use software to emulate rooms. What’s the point? Are the listeners going to listen in that fake room?
    Renowned mix engineer Andrew Scheps talks about mixing on headphones and how that means he can mix on a train or a plane because he eliminated the room from the equation.
    You can’t know or control how the acoustics are in the room your mix will be played back in. Or the quality of the system. These days there’s a good change it will be listened to via headphones or ear pods. I do all my listening with headphones and have for decades.
    You don’t need to emulate a fake room to mix with headphones. Just use the headphones.

    • @theswedishmusicstudio
      @theswedishmusicstudio 2 месяца назад

      I don’t know if the whole point of headphones is to eliminate the room. Never heard anyone claim that before. It sounds stupid to me. If that were the case the best studios would be anechoic chambers. But they are not. We get a nervous breakdown if we stay in rooms without room sound too long. Our brains can’t handle it.
      We are designed to hear binaural. It’s easier for the brain to encode that kind of information, hence we can work longer and make better spacial decisions.
      My neumann ndh-30 sounds great on their own. I CAN mix with them. But using realphones is just better and quicker. First i found a room that sounds like mine. That means i know i get the same result mixing in the studio as on the road. Second i still hear more details in headphones despite the emulation. Third i can ”go to my car” to check my mix with the press of a button. Speeds up my workflow.
      Most people listen in the car and in earbuds. why are you mixing on regular headphones when you should mix in your car?! 😂

    • @coneyislandguitars
      @coneyislandguitars Месяц назад

      @@theswedishmusicstudio That's exactly why you treat your room... so it doesn't influence what you hear. You want to hear just the speakers, not the room. Headphones put the speakers right on your ears. So you don't hear the room. I think Andrew Scheps knows better than you do. lol
      I listen to music all day on headphones. The majority of people listening to music these days is on headphones. No one is talking about being in a room with zero sound. That's not how headphones work... plus they are producing sound. lol