I’ve been through many interfaces. I say figure what you are recording is the most important thing. If just vocals. 400 to maybe 700 is an ok price range. Second is, are you mostly in the box, an expensive interface is not needed. If you’re recording bands or have a few outboard gear ie synths, grooveboxes then analog io is important. Also get one no matter the cost that is expandable and is future proof meaning 1st it will last you a long time and 2nd conversion. FYI for vocals I have an Apogee Duet(also I mix with it, for my MPC and Maschine I have an Evo 16 for synth sounds an Audiofuse. Spend money wisely. Thanks Barry I like you opened mindedness on many things. Lastly you have to consider are you and engineer or and music maker, not the same thing even though they meld together a lot of the times.
I'm on Windows because my interfaces are both Firewire. A RME Fireface 800 and a MOTU 896HD. RME still support it with drivers. The MOTU still works well with the last drivers issued but I usually ADAT it into the RME if I need it. Its basically a backup/extra inputs device. sometime I'm going to get a more modern interface and maybe go back to a mac. You make great points in the video, keep up the good work.
You can still use your Fireface with Mac ! I'm on a 2011 iMac , using Sonoma ( open core legacy patcher ) and use a thunderbolt to FireWire 800 adaptor....Works like a charm !
Lynx Studio and Metric Halo: Both companies are run by owners and founders, have no marketing department and are managed by passionate engineers who know what they are doing.
Thank you for this great video Mr . Johns !!! I steel making my songs with RME Fireface 800 connect to my I Mac M1! This is an amazing , amazing , amazing device . If I have to change it and this moment will come one day , is gone be again RME interface . Yes , RME is expensive but you pay for the quality of the product in every aspect !
I recently bought an RME UCX2 interface and I have my bedroom studio to reconfigure but as you said Barry, the best bang for buck you can afford! I had an MBox 2 which as you know Digi/Avid stopped providing drivers for :-(((((( so I got my RME!!
Fantastic video with very valuable Information with context. I started out with two channel m-audio on windows pc, moved to Mac and focusrite clarett 8pre (great interface). Now have RME fireface UFX III. My use case changed hence the stepped changes in my journey. Don’t always resonate with what Barry but 9.5 times out of 10 his guidance is on the money !! Thank you Barry 🙏🏾
Another vote for anything RME ... simply the best option around in my own experience ... can be pricey but genuinely offer outstanding value for money, rock solid and just do the job.
Thank you for this, sir. I just came across your channel recently and am going back to review prior ones. I appreciate you having a heart to heart conversation with is about what we really need to consider because it's so easy to get caught up in the newest release of a product. While the word "quality" may mean something different to everyone, I've found that in this world of hardware (just like vehicles) I was not accustomed to having a quality build construction AND asking myself "what do I really need it to do and how long will it last for my NEEDS in 3-5 years with the budget I can afford?" You are so right. Have tried a few audio interfaces over the last 10 years yet I've only heard of RME a few weeks ago and it's one of a very small number of manufacturers where someone has stated it can grow with them, drivers are always updated and product support service has survived the test, needs, and growth of time. Now I have to decide between the Babyface Pro FS and the Fireface UCX II. The ability to use an external HD or thumb drive for backup direct is pretty nice and has long term use. It reminds me of that similar capability found in the Sound Devices MixPre units. Still has support and repair if needed. Have a great week and thank you for what you do.
You’re 💯 right man, when I was with RME years ago with Pc and Mac it was solid as a rock, then I went UA sounded better but it wasn’t solid like RME, I’ve been using antelope audio Orion 32+ gen 3 running 2 of those together with many hardware insert effects and it’s been amazing but I must say it has been a pain a couple of times updating or installing, once that happens everything is ok
I'm using Universal Audio on a windows desktop. Yes it have been isues with stability and drivers. About 6 month back i always uninstal all drivers + software before updating new new drivers. Much more stable now.
You nailed it. "I bought this and I'm awesome, so it's awesome" - is a real concept. If you bad mouth gear on here people take it personally! (As you know). Great video as always Barry.
Come on guys, watch the video before commenting, the video has not been out for a few. Invites and this one is a long but valuable on that is almost 30 minutes long. You posted within minutes of it going live.
When I put together my last studio computer I wanted a thunderbolt setup. I ended up buying a Presonus Quantum 2626 Thunderbolt 3 interface, which I love. It works really well wih no problems whatsoever. I set it up in 2021. Presonus seems to have discontinued their other TB3 interfaces in the Quantum series and have come out with some usb interfaces that are called Quantum...I am concerned about continued driver support. So far so good...but longterm?
If you’re a singer like myself it’s all about converter quality ! stay away from cheap interfaces filled with extreme floor noise ‘n a high amount of audio hiss apogee , rme etc is the only way to get pro-grade audio quality !
Thanks Barry , i have my RME Babyface 5 years now never had any isue . German engeenering just great ! I think the new presonus hd8 looks intressting you get studio one pro with it ... Also Audient is a great company and not to expenisve for beginners ...so my top brands are RME, Motu, Presonus , Audient good drivers ...sorry for my english greetings from stuttgart germany ...
I bought my Babyface about 12 years ago. A few years later I wanted to expand inputs and started looking into 8 pre add on units. I got sucked in by the whole "Future of mixing" hype with the Presonus RM 16. It was (and still is with my old MacBook) a great mixer. Trouble is the "Future of mixing" did not take into account the death of Firewire. My Babyface still functions perfectly into my M1 MacBook, thanks TOTALLY to the updated drivers. Given the mic pres are way better than anything Presonus and I only really need 2 at a time, I would now just look at a cheap Behringer unit to expand inputs. My main use was for multi tracking band practices to provide practice tracks for members, minus their part. Barry hit the nail on the head when he said company reputation is Everything.
I like interfaces with the blend playback/input control. I find it easy to record voclas with them. But it is only found on small interfaces as far as I know.
I downgraded to a SSL 2+ Mk2 from a FireFace 800-was amazing, lasted for years-because new Mac OS doesn’t support it and RME stopped updating the drivers (fair enough, it’s 100 years old). I did this for two reasons: 1. I don’t need all those inputs/outputs; and 2. I can’t stand RMEs horrible UI that makes everything harder to use than I need as a songwriter in my bedroom. It sounded great, but was difficult to use. The user experience of SSL sold me. Was this a mistake? Am I going to notice a loss in audio quality and reliability?
If you were to compare that SSL unit that you have to a baby face pro, you would look at things radically different. I would be the first person to agree that TotalMix with RME is completely illogical. That said once you wrap your head around it, it makes perfect sense and it’s probably the most amazing tool that I’ve ever seen on an interface. I actually have four TotalMix training videos that make it incredibly easy to understand, after you do that, you’ll be blown away with what can be done in total mix. But I too suffered in frustration for far too long.
@@durtcannon No I found a bug in the UAD Amp Sims vs Thundebolt vs Windows. Uninstalling / Reinstalling the plugins would be a waste of time with no logic behind doing that. I'm a software developer. "Uninstall all drivers and software. Re-install again to latest drivers." -- does not apply.
What are your thoughts on the new Motu 828? I have a Midas Verona 320 console that I am running several synths through. I know I can buy a digital mixer like the one from Presonus, but to be honest with you, my needs don’t require recall ability. So I’m keeping the mixer, and I’m looking at audio interfaces that can handle that many ins and outs for tracking purposes from the synths and drum machines. Most likely I’ll have to add two adats to it and I already have one so I’ll get the other one. Years ago, I built out a recording set up in a recital hall on a campus using the version two of that interface and it’s still running solid today. That’s what made me consider this unit for my needs.
I'm thinking of the Arturia Audiofuse Studio at the moment. Price just dropped $200 to $800. Opinions anyone? The inserts use unbalanced lines. Should I be concerned about that when I use compressors, EQs, etc.? Checks off a lot of other boxes for me. The MOTU 828 is a finalist as well. Enough ins/outs to hook up all the gear I have. This will be a one time purchase for me. No plans to continually upgrade.
I've been using one for 2 years now. It's been a great interface for me. I like the layout and controls. Plenty of I/O. Spend time getting to know the software, it will give you lot's of flexibility. I also run 8 more mic pre channels in through ADAT just for for my drum setup. Been a stable interface on both Windows and now Mac. Haven't tried it on Linux yet. Every time I think of changing it up, I just don't find anything that would replace it. The mic/inst inputs are on the front, for some that's a deal breaker, but I change mic cables/guitars a lot so I'm ok with that. I've used a stereo compressor and several effect pedals on my inserts without issue, but perhaps someone will give more feedback on that. It's a lot of interface for the $
@@HandWiredAmps Thanks for the detailed info! Much appreciated. I had considered buying the Studio some time ago but family issues consumed my time for a while. Then the Motu 828 came out and grabbed my attention. Scanning Sweerwater the other day I noticed the price of the Studio had dropped from 1K to $800. That rekindled my interest. The 4 pres of the Studio over the 2 of the 828 would be an advantage. Now I'm suffering from information paralyzation. Got to pull the trigger soon though and get going. Thanks again for taking the time.
I bought a universal audio apollo duo 7 years ago and it was fine with windows for that time. Then it started acting up and I needed a new one so I got the x6. Nothing but problems with audio crackles. I didn't want rme because it didn't have onboard dsp for plugins so instead I have ordered a macbook pro and I hope that it solves the issues. If I had stayed with windows I think rme would have been the only option but personally I had not tried it that's just going off reviews. Osx and windows updates can sometimes cause issues with soundcards, it's a mindfeild at that stage. But for the most part I find windows laptops to be complete unstable for music I have certainly learnt that
If you just simply want plugins while tracking and no latency you could use something like gig performer. I still don't know how they do it but it works incredibly well for that purpose. If you want the plugin to tweak the impedance then it wont do that, but no need to buy UAD just for the DSP especially with these newer Macs. You could always get a preamp that lets you adjust the impedance as well but it probably wouldn't be exactly the same as how UAD does it. I'm not exactly sure whats going on there as I've never owned a UA interface. Also after fussing with windows attempting to try and make music I will never go back, mac just simply works.
@seriousbassface yeah when you run huge projects uad is good. 6 cores of uad with 16 cores of Apple cpu is going to be nice. Oh yeah, windows is a no go for audio. I swear latest windows updates just ruined it. But this also does happen with osx at times also. Nice one
I've got a Focusrite 18i20 1st gen, its been rock solid and as far as i can tell sounds great. But fast forward a few years and there are newer versions with much better spec's and other manufacturers too. So I am left wondering should i uograde or will the difference be negligible. I've no easy way of finding out.
I have an 18i20 2nd gen and can say the same. Been dealing with the same questions and haven’t felt the need to upgrade. I did connect an Audient ASP800 through ADAT to record drums and that combo has been great so far.
I've got an 18i20 2nd Gen too, and it's paired with a 2nd Gen Octopre for a total of 16 inputs. I have a project studio and have worked with many bands and solo artists, and they've all been very happy with the sound of their records. I also don't feel the need to upgrade. I'll probably use that equipment until it kicks the bucket.
Went through three Focusrite 2I2 interfaces in three years. At the one year mark, in each of the units, the potentiometers would get scratchy and intermittent. The problem is, all I need is two inputs, and other interfaces in the same price range that I've tried have issues that are as problematic. I've said that to say this. I will never buy another interface under $500. I've spent much more than that on junk that either wears out physically in a year, or has all kinds of compatibility problems. I'm just a hobby user . None of the stuff I've bought gets any kind of heavy use.
still using a focusrite saffire pro 24 , but will upgrage when i get a new machine , bought a neve 88 but sent it back as they store sent me a used one instead of new
I use an old saffire pro 40 but the FireWire drivers stopped working in newer windows and they're not going to fix it. So I run it as adat into an Audient ID22. Had to replace a cap in the audient tho, common problem that causes pops. Works ok after that.
Thank you so much for this video! I was considering the Antelope Audio Zen Quadro for £600 and I have a MacBook Pro M3 and my first interface was an M-audio 1 input audio interface which was garbage and then I got a used Gen 1 Scarlett 2i2 but it never worked well on my windows laptop so I sold it and got a Mac and I’m torn between a used UAD Apollo Twin X or the Antelope but I’m so confused because I wish to record guitars and voice over
I was always steered by wanting lots of IO, still haven’t spent more than 1000 usd. I use presonus, they’re ok, can’t complain for the price. Quantum 2626 is a pretty good interface for the the amount of preamps and inputs it has, I use a lightpipe for another 8 inputs. I have this interface ear marked for about 7 years of use and then I’ll reevaluate He ain’t lying about models becoming unsupported, I had two fire wire interfaces that got scrapped because… FireWire is gone now. That is why I marked the presonus for 7 years, I’ll try to get longer out of it, but you don’t know when your interface becomes deprecated
I have an RME UFX 3. I love it but feel like for the money, its really short on analog I/O. So im looking to expand conversion, but at the same level of quality. Having PC limits me - if I had mac I’d probably have just gotten Antelope or Red
@ seems like the obvious choice - but I need the same level of quality of conversion as RME. Ferrofish seems great but perhaps a step below RME conversion
@ do you notice any difference in conversion quality between the Ferrofish and RME? Would you feel confident running a master through the Ferrofish? I just ask because I do- with RME anyway; I have no qualms about using it as a master buss converter
Audient ID24 or Apollo Twin X Thunderbolt 1st Edition? I mainly record vocals and I daisy chain and 1176 hardware comp into an LA2A comp for tracking and mixing
This is an incredibly easy topic to answer if you’re just getting started sub $300 interface figure out how many inputs you will need being you will no doubt either stop recording or move up. Your initial decision will help with your next decision. Say $400-$1000. How many inputs do you need? We will be connecting a keyboard or mini device to record with. do you need one or two headphones connections $1100 to say 5000 you should have developed enough skill to hear the difference and know what your needs are above five $5000. It’s for the big boys and you probably unless your knees require it should not consider it at $300 250 today you’re getting better converters in your interface then you could have in the 1990s paying $1000 apiece for them. Spend the time developing your skills playing and recording and listen. Learn how to properly mic place for each instrument that requires a mic or vocals by the time you spend $400-$1000 you should have developed your abilities to listen. I have been a self taught engineer for 49 years put in the time do the work and grow as a musician and an audio engineer because no matter the cost of the mic or the interface if you poorly place a $3000 tube microphone connected to a $5000 interface improperly it was sound terrible. Develop the skills and your needs will be paid for by your personal growth do the small stuff to enjoy the rewards along the way enjoy the journey. Jimmy K.
At 17:22 my mind went straight to my Avid Eleven Rack. They promised to support it until 2024. They QUIT supporting it in 2019. They NEVER released a driver for Apple Silicon which came out in 2020. I don't doubt for one moment that they had the Software Development Kits ahead of the Apple Silicon release. NOW they are selling their new MBOX for 400 dollars less (or giving "free" ProTools Perpetual License). The new MBOX must not be doing well, I figure that will be abruptly orphaned soon.
For some reason reason lots on f issues with the Audient ID 44 especially with Ableton. Wow always something with this thing I need something with inserts but looks like I have inserted a lot of trouble shooting into my work flow. Any one else out there . And yes I used the n PC and than to Mac still issues.
I don't touch anything from Presonus. They are notorious for discontinuing products and not supporting them. They have made great interfaces but then they replace them.
I’m on Windows. Had a home studio for almost 30 years. Been through quite a few interfaces. The worse was a Focusrite 8i6. The best is my current which is a RME Babyface Pro FS. It is a rock solid beast
Come on guys, watch the video before commenting, the video has not been out for a few. Invites and this one is a long but valuable on that is almost 30 minutes long. You posted within minutes of it going live.
@@BarryJohns Barry, I'm watching the video now and I really appreciate you! Just trying to be witty and say something to let you know I was watching. I hope to get one of those RME's you keep braggin' about! Soon....oh yes, it will be mine.
I built my own computer. It's a PC with a i9 10900 k Overclocked CPU So it can handle a TON... It actually says 20 cores at 5 gigahertz per core LOL. Its an AI overclocking so it is all stable. It runs at 5 GHtz or close to it every time I need a heavy load. That said I have a record track number for my set up since I been adding outboard rack gear to my system. I have a song I am working on with 42 tracks literally tons of everything running on most of them all but vocals I haven't finished yet LOL... BUT I am running a Presonus Quantum 2626. I was going to upgrade but I don't trust the latency of the newer HD interfaces from them. Maybe I might have to soon because I have added 7 pieces of analog hardware all recently. BUT before all this my max was 32 tracks...so to be clear I am running 42 tracks at 96 khtz and its running well below half the Processor usage. Don't ask me how but adding that analog stuff really helps the track count because of so much less plugins I am assuming. Is that stable? No pops...
If you’re gonna do a videoof interfaces, you should have some Flippin interfaces you recommend. Complete waste of video. We all know exactly everything you’re saying, but we want to know what actually is worth our money. The highest headroom, the best converters, the best drivers that work with Apple Silicon, that work as a sound card that work well with producing software (Ableton, reason, FL studio), not just pro tools or other tracking DAW’s things, the least amount of latency. these things need to be in the freaking video.
Obviously, you didn’t bother to watch the video, and why do you feel like you need to be a total jerk, do you have a superiority complex or something? Why don’t you read some of the other comments and you’ll find that you’re on a desert island man. I just don’t understand why people like you behave the way you do it’s just beyond my comprehension. Why don’t you actually watch the entire video and then form your opinion. Just picture me right now just shaking my head shaking my head and saying I feel really sorry for it. I’m sorry, man but nobody made you come to my channel, you chose it and you chose to judge somebody after watching them for two or three minutes I can’t imagine you’d do that with other people in your life. If so, it’s a pretty sad life. I hope you can get past this.
Good video. I have 2 PreSonus 26x32 interfaces daisy chained to a Mac M1 mini. These units have been awesome, but your point on vendors discontinuing products is a very valid point. I just hope I can get 10 years of life out of these units, not from a hardware point of view, but for having drivers supported by the computers I use I look at any equipment directly connected to a computer are disposable assets, with very little residual value. My investments are geared towards standalone analog equipment and microphones.
I’ve been through many interfaces. I say figure what you are recording is the most important thing. If just vocals. 400 to maybe 700 is an ok price range. Second is, are you mostly in the box, an expensive interface is not needed. If you’re recording bands or have a few outboard gear ie synths, grooveboxes then analog io is important. Also get one no matter the cost that is expandable and is future proof meaning 1st it will last you a long time and 2nd conversion. FYI for vocals I have an Apogee Duet(also I mix with it, for my MPC and Maschine I have an Evo 16 for synth sounds an Audiofuse. Spend money wisely. Thanks Barry I like you opened mindedness on many things. Lastly you have to consider are you and engineer or and music maker, not the same thing even though they meld together a lot of the times.
I'm on Windows because my interfaces are both Firewire. A RME Fireface 800 and a MOTU 896HD. RME still support it with drivers. The MOTU still works well with the last drivers issued but I usually ADAT it into the RME if I need it. Its basically a backup/extra inputs device. sometime I'm going to get a more modern interface and maybe go back to a mac. You make great points in the video, keep up the good work.
You can still use your Fireface with Mac ! I'm on a 2011 iMac , using Sonoma ( open core legacy patcher ) and use a thunderbolt to FireWire 800 adaptor....Works like a charm !
@LukeSchneiderEWI that's cool. I gave been thinking about going to a Mac but don't want to have to buy an interface at the same time.
Lynx Studio and Metric Halo: Both companies are run by owners and founders, have no marketing department and are managed by passionate engineers who know what they are doing.
Thank you for this great video Mr . Johns !!!
I steel making my songs with RME Fireface 800 connect to my I Mac M1! This is an amazing , amazing , amazing device . If I have to change it and this moment will come one day , is gone be again RME interface . Yes , RME is expensive but you pay for the quality of the product in every aspect !
Nicely put. I usually go to sweetwater, Thomann etc reviews and check the worst reviews firstly.
Again you're spot on. thanks.
I recently bought an RME UCX2 interface and I have my bedroom studio to reconfigure but as you said Barry, the best bang for buck you can afford! I had an MBox 2 which as you know Digi/Avid stopped providing drivers for :-(((((( so I got my RME!!
I bought the Apollo quad many years ago.Still great quality and super reliable.
I've been running the Antelope Audio Zen Go now for 2 years on my MacBook Air without any dramas
Fantastic video with very valuable Information with context.
I started out with two channel m-audio on windows pc, moved to Mac and focusrite clarett 8pre (great interface). Now have RME fireface UFX III.
My use case changed hence the stepped changes in my journey.
Don’t always resonate with what Barry but 9.5 times out of 10 his guidance is on the money !!
Thank you Barry 🙏🏾
Another vote for anything RME ... simply the best option around in my own experience ... can be pricey but genuinely offer outstanding value for money, rock solid and just do the job.
RME. King of drivers. Latency under load reveals who was swimming with their pants off when the tide goes out.
Can’t go wrong with RME. They are killer in audio
Thank you for this, sir. I just came across your channel recently and am going back to review prior ones. I appreciate you having a heart to heart conversation with is about what we really need to consider because it's so easy to get caught up in the newest release of a product. While the word "quality" may mean something different to everyone, I've found that in this world of hardware (just like vehicles) I was not accustomed to having a quality build construction AND asking myself "what do I really need it to do and how long will it last for my NEEDS in 3-5 years with the budget I can afford?"
You are so right. Have tried a few audio interfaces over the last 10 years yet I've only heard of RME a few weeks ago and it's one of a very small number of manufacturers where someone has stated it can grow with them, drivers are always updated and product support service has survived the test, needs, and growth of time. Now I have to decide between the Babyface Pro FS and the Fireface UCX II. The ability to use an external HD or thumb drive for backup direct is pretty nice and has long term use. It reminds me of that similar capability found in the Sound Devices MixPre units. Still has support and repair if needed.
Have a great week and thank you for what you do.
You’re 💯 right man, when I was with RME years ago with Pc and Mac it was solid as a rock, then I went UA sounded better but it wasn’t solid like RME, I’ve been using antelope audio Orion 32+ gen 3 running 2 of those together with many hardware insert effects and it’s been amazing but I must say it has been a pain a couple of times updating or installing, once that happens everything is ok
My UA X6 & Twin Fallout/ Drop Computer Crashes ( more so these days ) plus I never was exited about the quality of Conversions
Icon audio -Harrison 32cI is the best bang for your bucks interface !!
I'm using Universal Audio on a windows desktop. Yes it have been isues with stability and drivers. About 6 month back i always uninstal all drivers + software before updating new new drivers. Much more stable now.
You nailed it. "I bought this and I'm awesome, so it's awesome" - is a real concept. If you bad mouth gear on here people take it personally! (As you know). Great video as always Barry.
Great video Barry. BTW you video production is awesome. Congratulations.
I have Steinberg AXR4U and Apollo x6. The Steinberg is really amazing and the driver is awesome!
Come on guys, watch the video before commenting, the video has not been out for a few. Invites and this one is a long but valuable on that is almost 30 minutes long. You posted within minutes of it going live.
@@BarryJohns I watched it Mr. Barry. lol
When I put together my last studio computer I wanted a thunderbolt setup. I ended up buying a Presonus Quantum 2626 Thunderbolt 3 interface, which I love. It works really well wih no problems whatsoever. I set it up in 2021. Presonus seems to have discontinued their other TB3 interfaces in the Quantum series and have come out with some usb interfaces that are called Quantum...I am concerned about continued driver support. So far so good...but longterm?
If you’re a singer like myself it’s all about converter quality ! stay away from cheap interfaces filled with extreme floor noise ‘n a high amount of audio hiss apogee , rme etc is the only way to get pro-grade audio quality !
Thanks Barry , i have my RME Babyface 5 years now never had any isue . German engeenering just great ! I think the new presonus hd8 looks intressting you get studio one pro with it ... Also Audient is a great company and not to expenisve for beginners ...so my top brands are RME, Motu, Presonus , Audient good drivers ...sorry for my english greetings from stuttgart germany ...
I bought my Babyface about 12 years ago. A few years later I wanted to expand inputs and started looking into 8 pre add on units. I got sucked in by the whole "Future of mixing" hype with the Presonus RM 16. It was (and still is with my old MacBook) a great mixer. Trouble is the "Future of mixing" did not take into account the death of Firewire. My Babyface still functions perfectly into my M1 MacBook, thanks TOTALLY to the updated drivers. Given the mic pres are way better than anything Presonus and I only really need 2 at a time, I would now just look at a cheap Behringer unit to expand inputs. My main use was for multi tracking band practices to provide practice tracks for members, minus their part. Barry hit the nail on the head when he said company reputation is Everything.
I like interfaces with the blend playback/input control. I find it easy to record voclas with them. But it is only found on small interfaces as far as I know.
Loved the video. How about the same video for the $1000 and up camp?
Three letters: RME
I record at home and I have the New PreSonus HD2 interface. I mix with Slate VSX headphones. I'm happy.
I downgraded to a SSL 2+ Mk2 from a FireFace 800-was amazing, lasted for years-because new Mac OS doesn’t support it and RME stopped updating the drivers (fair enough, it’s 100 years old). I did this for two reasons: 1. I don’t need all those inputs/outputs; and 2. I can’t stand RMEs horrible UI that makes everything harder to use than I need as a songwriter in my bedroom. It sounded great, but was difficult to use. The user experience of SSL sold me. Was this a mistake? Am I going to notice a loss in audio quality and reliability?
If you were to compare that SSL unit that you have to a baby face pro, you would look at things radically different. I would be the first person to agree that TotalMix with RME is completely illogical. That said once you wrap your head around it, it makes perfect sense and it’s probably the most amazing tool that I’ve ever seen on an interface. I actually have four TotalMix training videos that make it incredibly easy to understand, after you do that, you’ll be blown away with what can be done in total mix. But I too suffered in frustration for far too long.
I'm having Universal Audio interface issues on a Windows computer RIGHT NOW. Ticket open since the weekend - no end in sight.
Uninstall all drivers and software. Re-install again to latest drivers.
@@durtcannon Nope.
@@mathewworkman1625 still the same problem?
@@durtcannon No I found a bug in the UAD Amp Sims vs Thundebolt vs Windows. Uninstalling / Reinstalling the plugins would be a waste of time with no logic behind doing that. I'm a software developer. "Uninstall all drivers and software. Re-install again to latest drivers." -- does not apply.
I would say RME and Lynx
What are your thoughts on the new Motu 828? I have a Midas Verona 320 console that I am running several synths through. I know I can buy a digital mixer like the one from Presonus, but to be honest with you, my needs don’t require recall ability. So I’m keeping the mixer, and I’m looking at audio interfaces that can handle that many ins and outs for tracking purposes from the synths and drum machines. Most likely I’ll have to add two adats to it and I already have one so I’ll get the other one.
Years ago, I built out a recording set up in a recital hall on a campus using the version two of that interface and it’s still running solid today. That’s what made me consider this unit for my needs.
Have you looked at the Arturos Audio 16Riv
@ never heard of it. I’ll look it up. Thanks
I'm thinking of the Arturia Audiofuse Studio at the moment. Price just dropped $200 to $800.
Opinions anyone? The inserts use unbalanced lines. Should I be concerned about that when I use compressors, EQs, etc.? Checks off a lot of other boxes for me.
The MOTU 828 is a finalist as well. Enough ins/outs to hook up all the gear I have.
This will be a one time purchase for me. No plans to continually upgrade.
I've been using one for 2 years now. It's been a great interface for me. I like the layout and controls. Plenty of I/O. Spend time getting to know the software, it will give you lot's of flexibility. I also run 8 more mic pre channels in through ADAT just for for my drum setup. Been a stable interface on both Windows and now Mac. Haven't tried it on Linux yet. Every time I think of changing it up, I just don't find anything that would replace it. The mic/inst inputs are on the front, for some that's a deal breaker, but I change mic cables/guitars a lot so I'm ok with that. I've used a stereo compressor and several effect pedals on my inserts without issue, but perhaps someone will give more feedback on that. It's a lot of interface for the $
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Thanks for the detailed info! Much appreciated. I had considered buying the Studio some time ago but family issues consumed my time for a while. Then the Motu 828 came out and grabbed my attention.
Scanning Sweerwater the other day I noticed the price of the Studio had dropped from 1K to $800. That rekindled my interest. The 4 pres of the Studio over the 2 of the 828 would be an advantage.
Now I'm suffering from information paralyzation. Got to pull the trigger soon though and get going.
Thanks again for taking the time.
I bought a universal audio apollo duo 7 years ago and it was fine with windows for that time. Then it started acting up and I needed a new one so I got the x6. Nothing but problems with audio crackles. I didn't want rme because it didn't have onboard dsp for plugins so instead I have
ordered a macbook pro and I hope that it solves the issues. If I had stayed with windows I think rme would have been the only option but personally I had not tried it that's just going off reviews. Osx and windows updates can sometimes cause issues with soundcards, it's a mindfeild at that stage. But for the most part I find windows laptops to be complete unstable for music I have certainly learnt that
If you just simply want plugins while tracking and no latency you could use something like gig performer. I still don't know how they do it but it works incredibly well for that purpose.
If you want the plugin to tweak the impedance then it wont do that, but no need to buy UAD just for the DSP especially with these newer Macs. You could always get a preamp that lets you adjust the impedance as well but it probably wouldn't be exactly the same as how UAD does it. I'm not exactly sure whats going on there as I've never owned a UA interface.
Also after fussing with windows attempting to try and make music I will never go back, mac just simply works.
@seriousbassface yeah when you run huge projects uad is good. 6 cores of uad with 16 cores of Apple cpu is going to be nice. Oh yeah, windows is a no go for audio. I swear latest windows updates just ruined it. But this also does happen with osx at times also. Nice one
Audient audio interfaces are really good
I've got a Focusrite 18i20 1st gen, its been rock solid and as far as i can tell sounds great. But fast forward a few years and there are newer versions with much better spec's and other manufacturers too. So I am left wondering should i uograde or will the difference be negligible. I've no easy way of finding out.
I have an 18i20 2nd gen and can say the same. Been dealing with the same questions and haven’t felt the need to upgrade. I did connect an Audient ASP800 through ADAT to record drums and that combo has been great so far.
I've got an 18i20 2nd Gen too, and it's paired with a 2nd Gen Octopre for a total of 16 inputs. I have a project studio and have worked with many bands and solo artists, and they've all been very happy with the sound of their records. I also don't feel the need to upgrade. I'll probably use that equipment until it kicks the bucket.
Went through three Focusrite 2I2 interfaces in three years. At the one year mark, in each of the units, the potentiometers would get scratchy and intermittent. The problem is, all I need is two inputs, and other interfaces in the same price range that I've tried have issues that are as problematic. I've said that to say this. I will never buy another interface under $500. I've spent much more than that on junk that either wears out physically in a year, or has all kinds of compatibility problems. I'm just a hobby user . None of the stuff I've bought gets any kind of heavy use.
good video - well done - articulate and organized
still using a focusrite saffire pro 24 , but will upgrage when i get a new machine , bought a neve 88 but sent it back as they store sent me a used one instead of new
I use an old saffire pro 40 but the FireWire drivers stopped working in newer windows and they're not going to fix it. So I run it as adat into an Audient ID22. Had to replace a cap in the audient tho, common problem that causes pops. Works ok after that.
No love for SSL here?
For me, the best interface is the apollo x8p with an x4 together with the Dangerous Producer Pack for conversion, monitoring, and summing.
Thank you so much for this video! I was considering the Antelope Audio Zen Quadro for £600 and I have a MacBook Pro M3 and my first interface was an M-audio 1 input audio interface which was garbage and then I got a used Gen 1 Scarlett 2i2 but it never worked well on my windows laptop so I sold it and got a Mac and I’m torn between a used UAD Apollo Twin X or the Antelope but I’m so confused because I wish to record guitars and voice over
I was always steered by wanting lots of IO, still haven’t spent more than 1000 usd. I use presonus, they’re ok, can’t complain for the price. Quantum 2626 is a pretty good interface for the the amount of preamps and inputs it has, I use a lightpipe for another 8 inputs. I have this interface ear marked for about 7 years of use and then I’ll reevaluate
He ain’t lying about models becoming unsupported, I had two fire wire interfaces that got scrapped because… FireWire is gone now. That is why I marked the presonus for 7 years, I’ll try to get longer out of it, but you don’t know when your interface becomes deprecated
Stability then connectivity.
Barry, Antelope is fantastic if you want a legitimate reason for not getting any work done.
I have an RME UFX 3. I love it but feel like for the money, its really short on analog I/O. So im looking to expand conversion, but at the same level of quality. Having PC limits me - if I had mac I’d probably have just gotten Antelope or Red
ferrofish?
@ seems like the obvious choice - but I need the same level of quality of conversion as RME. Ferrofish seems great but perhaps a step below RME conversion
I use a UFX+ along with a Pulse 16. Love it!
I got the UFX 3 and ferrofish 16. Couldn't be happier.
@ do you notice any difference in conversion quality between the Ferrofish and RME? Would you feel confident running a master through the Ferrofish? I just ask because I do- with RME anyway; I have no qualms about using it as a master buss converter
Audient ID24 or Apollo Twin X Thunderbolt 1st Edition? I mainly record vocals and I daisy chain and 1176 hardware comp into an LA2A comp for tracking and mixing
RME QuadMic II is my current preamp but I really only use one line input for it
Focusrite 4th gen 18i20 king of kings
Excellent subject matter
Barry, hi. In the 1k or less range, what is your best pick for a 4 I/O usb interface?
RME Babyface Pro, no question!
@@BarryJohns Thank you!!!
my uad apollo duo ia great and I've had it well over a decade.
The best recording interface is a two inch 16 track😎
This is an incredibly easy topic to answer if you’re just getting started sub $300 interface figure out how many inputs you will need being you will no doubt either stop recording or move up. Your initial decision will help with your next decision. Say $400-$1000. How many inputs do you need? We will be connecting a keyboard or mini device to record with. do you need one or two headphones connections $1100 to say 5000 you should have developed enough skill to hear the difference and know what your needs are above five $5000. It’s for the big boys and you probably unless your knees require it should not consider it at $300 250 today you’re getting better converters in your interface then you could have in the 1990s paying $1000 apiece for them. Spend the time developing your skills playing and recording and listen. Learn how to properly mic place for each instrument that requires a mic or vocals by the time you spend $400-$1000 you should have developed your abilities to listen. I have been a self taught engineer for 49 years put in the time do the work and grow as a musician and an audio engineer because no matter the cost of the mic or the interface if you poorly place a $3000 tube microphone connected to a $5000 interface improperly it was sound terrible. Develop the skills and your needs will be paid for by your personal growth do the small stuff to enjoy the rewards along the way enjoy the journey. Jimmy K.
You can get an older analog board like MIDAS with 32 preamps and direct outs for 1000$. Why paying for cheap preamps on the unit?
At 17:22 my mind went straight to my Avid Eleven Rack. They promised to support it until 2024. They QUIT supporting it in 2019. They NEVER released a driver for Apple Silicon which came out in 2020. I don't doubt for one moment that they had the Software Development Kits ahead of the Apple Silicon release. NOW they are selling their new MBOX for 400 dollars less (or giving "free" ProTools Perpetual License). The new MBOX must not be doing well, I figure that will be abruptly orphaned soon.
On Macs so no need for any audio drivers (thanks to core audio) which is IMHO the weakest link in your audio chain
That’s not the drivers I’m talking about.
@@BarryJohns Having a class compliant device which doesn't need any driver to run is an important point to me. Not afraid to get a deprecated device.
Oh, I’m not disagreeing with you there, however, it doesn’t end there, that’s all I’m saying.
If you can afford RME, buy RME. And if you realise it’s overkill - RME has much better resale value than most other companies
For some reason reason lots on f issues with the Audient ID 44 especially with Ableton. Wow always something with this thing I need something with inserts but looks like I have inserted a lot of trouble shooting into my work flow. Any one else out there . And yes I used the n PC and than to Mac still issues.
I have used that interface and it worked flawless for me.
@ thanks for the feed back it might be ableton
Found out what it was and you were right it wasn’t the interface.
I don't touch anything from Presonus. They are notorious for discontinuing products and not supporting them. They have made great interfaces but then they replace them.
Buy once, cry once, get a RME
Worth saving for
I’m on Windows. Had a home studio for almost 30 years. Been through quite a few interfaces. The worse was a Focusrite 8i6. The best is my current which is a RME Babyface Pro FS. It is a rock solid beast
What was bad about the 8i6? I’m on an 18i8 and haven’t had issues
@ I think the MIC pres are quite good. I was using it for lots of VSTs and some guitar as well. Seemed to lack headroom and the latency wasn’t great.
is Scarlett Clarett+ 8pre - because it's the one I have
Come on guys, watch the video before commenting, the video has not been out for a few. Invites and this one is a long but valuable on that is almost 30 minutes long. You posted within minutes of it going live.
@@BarryJohns Barry, I'm watching the video now and I really appreciate you! Just trying to be witty and say something to let you know I was watching. I hope to get one of those RME's you keep braggin' about! Soon....oh yes, it will be mine.
I built my own computer. It's a PC with a i9 10900 k Overclocked CPU So it can handle a TON... It actually says 20 cores at 5 gigahertz per core LOL. Its an AI overclocking so it is all stable. It runs at 5 GHtz or close to it every time I need a heavy load. That said I have a record track number for my set up since I been adding outboard rack gear to my system. I have a song I am working on with 42 tracks literally tons of everything running on most of them all but vocals I haven't finished yet LOL... BUT I am running a Presonus Quantum 2626. I was going to upgrade but I don't trust the latency of the newer HD interfaces from them. Maybe I might have to soon because I have added 7 pieces of analog hardware all recently. BUT before all this my max was 32 tracks...so to be clear I am running 42 tracks at 96 khtz and its running well below half the Processor usage. Don't ask me how but adding that analog stuff really helps the track count because of so much less plugins I am assuming. Is that stable? No pops...
just get a Mac and an RME and call it a day.
If you’re gonna do a videoof interfaces, you should have some Flippin interfaces you recommend. Complete waste of video. We all know exactly everything you’re saying, but we want to know what actually is worth our money.
The highest headroom, the best converters, the best drivers that work with Apple Silicon, that work as a sound card that work well with producing software (Ableton, reason, FL studio), not just pro tools or other tracking DAW’s things, the least amount of latency. these things need to be in the freaking video.
Obviously, you didn’t bother to watch the video, and why do you feel like you need to be a total jerk, do you have a superiority complex or something? Why don’t you read some of the other comments and you’ll find that you’re on a desert island man. I just don’t understand why people like you behave the way you do it’s just beyond my comprehension. Why don’t you actually watch the entire video and then form your opinion. Just picture me right now just shaking my head shaking my head and saying I feel really sorry for it. I’m sorry, man but nobody made you come to my channel, you chose it and you chose to judge somebody after watching them for two or three minutes I can’t imagine you’d do that with other people in your life. If so, it’s a pretty sad life. I hope you can get past this.
That sounds like a lot of work. Why don't you do all that and make your own video instead of telling someone else to do it for you.
Glad you brought this up. The new & some seasoned Engineers need to know. 👍🙏🎚🎧
Good video. I have 2 PreSonus 26x32 interfaces daisy chained to a Mac M1 mini. These units have been awesome, but your point on vendors discontinuing products is a very valid point. I just hope I can get 10 years of life out of these units, not from a hardware point of view, but for having drivers supported by the computers I use I look at any equipment directly connected to a computer are disposable assets, with very little residual value. My investments are geared towards standalone analog equipment and microphones.