The Word Made Flesh from a Biblical Unitarian Perspective
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- The prologue of the Gospel of John is thought by many to teach that Yeshua literally pre-existed his birth and that he is God made flesh. We contend, however, that John was not being literal, but rather, the prologue is a wonderfully poetic way to declare that Yeshua is the realization of God's plan of salvation.
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Excellent video. Here is a supporting explanation: I say to my neighbor, "I give you my word. I will send my son to cut your grass." When my son goes to cut the grass, my word becomes flesh in my son. My word is an extension of me, just as my hand is me. If I lie with my words, it is not the words that are lying, it is me. My words are with me, and my words are me, since the beginning of when I learned to speak. There is no need to develop some super deep theology over something so simple.
Kevin George Great explanation.
But why, at the time of Jesus and his preaching, were Jewish leaders calling him blasphemous and condemning him as worthy of death? They all knew he was saying he was God, which is why they rejected him and called him blasphemous. If he was saying he was the son of God, but not God, then they would have accepted him, no?
John 10:36 do you say of Him whom the Father set apart and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of Elohim’?TS98
Your word does not become your son. That explanation you gave is illogical. Your word is fulfilled because you sent your son and he arrived. Your plan, as prophesied and promised, unfolds when you send your son and when your son arrives. In the case of John 1:14, God promised to raise up a prophet and put His own message (words) in him and God said he would speak all that He commands him to speak. That's in Deuteronomy 18:18. In some sense God's prophesied plan did come to completion in the life of Jesus when he was created in the womb of Mary, but the context of John's entire prologue has nothing to do with the creation of Jesus in the womb of Mary. What the context is all about is the Gospel coming into the world from God through John the Baptist Luke 3:2 and through Jesus. The word of God is the Gospel message placed into Jesus and it comes to dwell in all who hear it and believe it. The Gospel is the light that made Jesus the Light of the World. The Gospel enlightens all who hear it and believe it. The Gospel makes the followers of Jesus "light unto the world." Those are Jesus words by the way! The source of that Light is God. 1 John 1:5 clearly states "God is Light and in Him is no darkness at all." God's word is light, God's spirit is Light. God dwells in light. God is light. God shone His light to the world through placing his words and spirit into Jesus and into all those who believe the Gospel.
Nowhere in the OT does God ever state that his word would become the flesh of anyone. An alternative translation of John 1:14 is:
*_And the word came to humanity and dwelt in us...._* Study any Greek Lexicon and Study the Bible and you will see this translation is perfectly acceptable. It fits the OT prophecies and does not conflict with any NT scriptures.
Kevin George
This video and teacher is telling that the Most High God Jehovah of Israel did spoke to early Christians (Hebrew 1:1) by means of his (Genesis 1:26 generated into same image of Jehovah Divinity ) and like the "prophet-the Christ" Jesus" written on Hebrew 1:1 pre-prophesied by Moses on Deuteronomy 18:18 ?
Then Jesus is following orders from Jehovah God as the Jew- Hebrew Christians understood the Christ namely the Word as written on Hebrews 1:1 God speak by means of Christ and Revelation 1:1
Jesus' glory in the flesh (John 1:18) as the godly Word (John 1:1) get MANIFESTED as into the image of an angelic Son in the flesh like angels in the flesh visiting Moses and Lot as God's children not different like Jesus the Christ.
The "word" in greek is an "it" not a "who". The trinity is a lie! A BIG lie!
Time to learn some N.T. Greek. In Greek the word Logos is a masculine noun you bonehead. It's a second declension masculine noun. By the way would you like to debate the trinitarian nature of God on Utube? We can post it see if you can't prove it's, "A BIG lie!" Let me know and I will set it up.
@@djm7038 you sound angry
@@djm7038 She is correct....and since Logos is a masculine noun there is not reason to call "it" a "he" or a "him" in John 1:2-5 and verse 10.
There are more than 50 translations that do not read "he" or "him" and many of them predate the KJV. The only reason translators use "he" and "him" in John's prologue when referring to the word is to mislead people into believing the word is a person.
The word of God is not a person. It's NEVER a person in the Bible. Those who translate it that way cause CONFLICT and CONTRADICT the Bible. I know this because I used to believe as you do...until I studied more and prayed long and hard. I was a trinitarian for 43 years. I know all your arguments because I used to defend the trinity like you are trying to do.
Jesus spoke his Father's words, NOT his own words. Do you deny this? John 7:15; John 14:10;
John 14:24; John 12:49-50
; John 6:63
The word didn't become flesh. There is an alternate Greek translation that I found which reads: "and the word came to humanity and dwelt IN US...."
I have written extensively on this and support my translation with Biblical PROOF.
For one thing....there is NOT one other scripture that supports the traditional translation and interpretation of John 1:14.....not one. Conversely, the Bible supports my translation of the Greek PERFECTLY.
Jesus never calls himself the word and neither do any of the Apostles.
The word of God is an attribute and possession of God....not a person.
Jesus has a God that he calls Father. He said his God is OUR GOD. Do you deny this?
John 20:17
Jesus prayed to His Father and called Him the ONLY TRUE GOD. John 17:3
That should be your starting position. If you approach the Bible believing Jesus is God you impose your views on the texts and deny the truth.
Both views cannot be correct. Jesus cannot be God to the Trinitarians and not God according to the Bible. This is not a game where you get to pick and choose the view that suits your preconceived belief and ignore the verses that stand in against you.
Resign yourself from getting the meaning of verses from the Bible itself....and not from traditional churchianity. Then you will begin to see the real God and the real Jesus who revealed his God to mankind.
@@mikha007 Not angry - but challenging those who seek - to deceive others regarding the true nature of the logos.
@@johnspartan98 First, your response is typical, generic, garden variety anti-trinitarian heresy. Second, your proof-testing verses proves nothing. I can sight more verses that demonstrate Jesus is the divine and eternal second person of the Godhead. Third, you, like k. Day do not know any N.T. greek and that makes you dangerous. Lastly, I will gladly debate you on Utube live. Let me know and I will set it up.
So.. we’re going to completely disregard yeshuah word when he said
I am the bread that came down from heaven
I go to where i came from
Father glorify me with the glory i had WITH YOU BEFORE THE WORKD BEGAN
I AM THE ALPHA AND OMEGA THE BEGINNING AND THE END
COLOSSIANS CLEARLY TELLS US THROUGH YESHUA ALL WAS MADE EVEN JOHN 1 says
He made the world and the world did not know him ... this is no poetry this is a declaration of Yeshuah preexistence and manifestation i mean yeshuah clearly said he was sent you cannot create someone who is being sent
juan campos Right. The Son definitely existed before He became a flesh man. Jn17:5 Jn6:62 Mic5:2 Heb1:2 1Cor8:6
C S Study the words : descend, unveil, manifest, come, arrive; they always refer to someone who existed before they came or arrived or descended. In James 1:17 the context is referring to spiritual invisible intangible realities and experiences by God's people such as: endurance, perfect work, wisdom, enduring trial, the wreath of life, God terms forth us as circuit etc. Its not talking about a person descending outwardly. So you are misapplying and misunderstanding James 1:17. The Son did preexist as the form of God.Ph2:6 God made the eons through the Son. Heb1:2 The Son existed before time because He was God's creative original. Rv3:14 His goings forth are from AFORETIME, from days EONIAN. The same truth is stated of the Father in Habukkuk 1:12: Are You not from AFORETIME, O Jehovah. The Son began ling before that prophecy was written about him. Proverbs30:4 clearly shows the Sons Preexistence with the Father. Jn6:62 In 17:3 1Cor8:6 Jn8:58 all clearly teach the Sons Preexistence. God says it and I believe it.
Acts 3:26 {God raised Son from the dead}
Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in
turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
Thessalonians 1:10
And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
Hebrews 13:20
Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Romans 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
...So God is responsible,
John 2:19-21 {Jesus raised himself from dead}
Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”
They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” But the temple he had spoken of was his body.
Matthew 26:61
and declared, “This fellow said, ‘I am able to destroy the temple of God and rebuild it in three days.’”
Proving Jesus is God is very easy.
of course he was sent from heaven because he existed in Gods plan of salvation which was with God in heaven and at the right time Gods Plan was put into effect.
The alpha and omega or in Hebrew,the aleph and the tav or in English the A and the Z.
The completed word of God
@@canderssonswedican7486 really? you didn't convince me.
remember that Yeshua is called the 2nd Adam.the 1st Adam lost his ability to overcome death thru sin But death could not hold yeshiva because no sin was foundd in him
You have this exactly right Brother. How do we know? One way is because with this accurate explanation all scriptures fit together perfectly, meaning this follows the entire Bible accurately.
What Trinitarians on the other hand do is add to what is written in order to squeeze in a doctrine that is not found anywhere in scripture, they force it in, and in order to do that they not only change scripture meaning but also they have mistranslated the scriptures to fit their own narrative, creating a man made: god the son.
You have this exactly right, sister!
I just listened to this, again. I've heard/read a good number of explanations of this passage; but, it think this is the most incisive, and yet concise, that I've come across. I hope more from this expositor will be forthcoming. God seems to be showing him not only His mind, but a clear way to make it make sense for others. This message is truly beautiful.
Jesus is the eternal existing God. Praise the triune God.
*Why does the speaker twist things to suit he purposes?*
6:09 so when John's first epistle the word is not a literal person but refers to God's plan for eternal life
Humans hear, see, and handle a "person" not a "plan"
1 john 1:1 "... which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon,
and our hands have handled..."
Just remember
1 john 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth
Come on man. Put on "Reasoning" - Who cares for Explanation? Don't commit the same foolish mistake this presenter makes - this fellow does not know the very basic distinction between Explanation and Argument. Again, there are "different Kinds of Explanation and the Levels of Explanation. It may even be a Coherent explanation to qualify as the best candidate to be considered as the "INFERENCE to Best Explanation" - yet it could be Trillion Miles away from Actual Truth. Ask this Idiot that why it is Logically and metaphysically impossible for God, if He is Omnipotent, by Definition' that He cannot become Incarnate , as Jesus claims that He is the YH/ The Lord God Incarnate? No Idiot has proven conclusively that it is logically impossible for Christ to be God-Incarnate?
We need to be humble before mysteries. The lamb is worshipped in Revelation. He is a separate being in the vision but is worshipped together with the "One who sits on the throne". I don't claim - and neither should you - that our human understanding is adequate to explain beyond a certain point. God and the Son are "one" and are to be worshipped, loved and obeyed - it's enough to occupy us here on earth - more than enough
I was taught and believed the trinity for years. When I learned that the early catholic church invented it 400ish years after Christ, I began to research for myself, what a pleasant awakening! Read "the God of Jesus" by keegan Chandler. There are a plethora of scholars that were anti trinitarian. The Roman catholic church used to execute them.
But if someone is half from God and half from a man, isn't he as much God as a man? Isn't it wrong to say Jesus is just a mere man.
I remember coming across a comment that used a great analogy to explain it. It’s like when you have blueprints for a house, those blue prints (the piece of paper) don’t literally become the house. It’s the plans for the house. The Word is the blueprint. The Word made flesh (Jesus) is the house.
The analogy falls flat when "The plan" is a person who is infinite.
The reason why so many people are confused about the Bible and often remarked that it has so many contradictions is because that same people (along with their followers) is making the verses more complicated than what they really are, simple. They announced to the world that the Bible is full of mysteries and hidden meanings or teachings, that is why most often have to consult experts (e.g. bible scholars, theologians, professors, etc.) to interpret it for them instead of reading it by heart by themselves with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
If you believe that the Bible has many hidden meanings or teachings then you've already FAILED, even before you open the Bible. The Bible has no secrets or hidden message that you have to create your own interpretation thus, makings things more complicated than what they are.
Now, going back to the topic. John's message in John 1:1 has always been simple and straightforward, no hidden meanings whatsoever; "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God". What is so hard to understand about the "Word" in this verse? Well, it will only be complicated if you try to infuse your own interpretation in order to fit your own argument or agenda (whatever that is).
Remember, John is uneducated and illiterate then why would he play with words in his book just to confuse his readers? They (the apostles) were chosen by Jesus to be His witnesses, NOT cryptographers (that makes coded messages). Remember, it is the Holy Spirit Himself that makes John and the rest of the apostles able to write and speak different languages. It is through the Holy Spirit of Truth that these verses were made possible. Now, if you have a problem with John's message in John 1:1 then go argue with the Holy Spirit since He is the one who actually wrote those verses.
Now, if you're trying so hard to disprove that Jesus is the "Word" in John 1:1 because you are afraid that your "unitarian" argument will fail then please allow me to go back in the beginning from the Old Testament:
Isiah 48:12-16 - In here, Jesus (God) is the one talking with reference to the "I am the first and the last" quote of Jesus in the New Testament (Revelation 1:8 and Revelation 1:17-18). Also, God the Father and the Holy Spirit is in here as well. Unitarians brace yourselves! :) - you now have another verse(s) in the Old Testament to disprove.
NOTE: Use the "WORD-FOR-WORD" Bible (e.g. NASB, NKJV/KJV, etc.) this time and onwards because they are more accurate than the "THOUGHT-TO-THOUGHT" and "PARAPHRASED" type of Bible. That is why most people are confused because they are not using the right translation of the Bible that is closest to the Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek version.
Peace and Blessings!
Yep, Jesus is God manifest in flesh!
Before Abraham, I AM.
Holy spirit is messager of The Lord!! He put the message from Him on Jesus tongue!!! to teach the Children of Israel!!
See conversation between Balaam and King Balak of Moab,... and speaking donkey and Balaam
Exodus 3:13-14 (I AM THAT I AM)
And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, what is his name? What shall I say unto them?
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה, ’ehyeh ’ăšer ’ehyeh
John 1:18 5:37 {Jesus states}
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
And the father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
Genesis 17:1, 3 {So who appeared and spoke?}
And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, etc.
Exodus 3:4
And when the Lord saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, here am I.
Who gave the Ten Commandments to Moses? Perhaps the same being that gave us the eleventh commandment?
Exodus 20:2-17 John 13:34
John 8:58 10:30-36
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
In the Greek, the words recorded in John 8:58 are "'prin abraam genesthai ego eimi." Literally, this is "Before Abraham was existing, I am.
I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
The Jews answered him, saying, for a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man makest thyself God.
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are Gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the son of God?
Jesus states " the Father and I are one" He's talking about being one in nature not one in will, we know this because the Jews understood it to be one in nature "thou being a man, makest thyself God", notice they didn't say "a God but just God",
John 5:18 states
“Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken{loosed} the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God”
…..Jesus understood the Jews were interpreting it this way. For he states
John 8:58
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am”
….Jesus knew this was something every Jew had burned in his mind from infancy
Exodus 3:14 “And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM".
The "I am formula (Gk egō eimi)" harks back to God's only name, "Yahweh" ("the lord") - meaning "He who always was, is, and will be."
So to hear someone else use it and apply to himself BLASPHEMY ! Absolutely.
Colossians 2:9
For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Deity bodily.,
ὅτι ἐν αὐτῷ κατοικεῖ πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τῆς Θεότητος σωματικῶς
This indicates most unequivocally the full divinity of Jesus Christ, for neither any man, even the most saintly one, nor any angel, even the highest in angelic hierarchy can contain the "fullness" or "entirety" of Divinity. The word “Godhead” embodies the very essence of the Divine Being which dwells in Jesus.
John 14:9
Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
To behold Jesus was to see GOD
Philippians 2:6
Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God
Why? He was God. When Jesus Christ was asked what the first and greatest commandment of the law was, He stated in
Mark 12:29
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is One Lord
God states:
Hebrews 1:8
But unto the Son he (God) saith, Thy throne O God, is for ever and ever:
The Holy Spirit applies this to Jesus in (Hebrews) and to The Father in (Psalm 45:6).
Psalm 45:6
Your throne, O God, will last,
forever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
In John 8:58, 6:18. Jesus was persecuted and crucified for making himself equal with the “only existing God ", since the Jews only accepted one living God. He was not implying he was a lesser god or a second god, but that he had the same nature or was coexistent with him as an equal. The Jews understood this very clearly.
Colossians 2:9 {Yet while a human he was still GOD}
For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
…..So here the Holy Spirit states that someone will cry in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of yehôvâh, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
In Isaiah 40:3
"The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God."
…..But here the Holy Spirit speaks of Jesus. So in Isaiah the Holy Spirit said Yahweh and in Mark he said Jesus. Is the picture getting clearer? John the Baptist prepared the way for Jesus. Isaiah said the way will be prepared for the LORD or in Hebrew Yahweh.
Mark 1:3
"The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight."
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Psalm 119:18
Open my eyes to see wonderful things in your Word.
In His Service,
The words aren't capitalized in the Greek. Jesus references the story of the burning bush in the gospels and never makes it about himself.
Jesus, in John 8 was claiming to be the Messiah, not God. You're taking the passage out of context as Trinitarians are taught to do.
@@canderssonswedican7486
Jesus said so many "I am" in Gospel of John, its always refer to him being the Messiah. No wonder why the purpose of John's Gospel is;
John 20:30-31 KJV
And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: [31] But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
John 3:16 KJV
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 17:3 KJV
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
@@canderssonswedican7486 Nice exhaustive work. Thank you....
I'm seeing ever so slowly that some trinity believers are rethinking their beliefs
Agreed, a bit of a groundswell, about time!
The word was made flesh means God created Jesus...." God created this Jesus whom you crucified both Lord and Crist" acts 2:36....God made miracles thru Jesus" acts 2:22
This is the best translation of John 1:1 , thank you. I have thought this same way for quite some time. This is one of my favorite verse from the Bible. A shame people read too much into it . If they want to know who Jesus is they can find it in Matthew 16:15-20 .
Good mention…I agree… I’ve transition to now believe what Jesus says, versus what men with PhD’s tell me to believe in Jesus clearly says that he’s the messiah the son of the living God
And example of the Greek (2316) “God” in the nomitive case, and without the article, as being capitalized: Mark 12:27 “He is not (the) God of the dead, but of the living: ye do greatly err.” (hint!) Interlinear: “ not He is God of [the] dead but”
The article “the” is not there preceding the noun. And yet the context demands the capitalization of “God.” And so it does in JN 1:1C
Using this example, Jn 1:1C could just as legally, by biblical Greek example, be translated: “The Logos was the God.”
"And God was the Word" is more of a literal translation of the Greek.
So, no matter how you try to slice it, whatever God was, the Word was, in the Beginning.
This Word was both God and with God.
What beginning is John 1:1 referring?
K. Day “The...”
John uses the same words as Gen 1.
Colossians also supports this when it says “all creation:
“For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.”
COLOSSIANS 1:16-17 NASB
K. Day BTW if one reads the words “in the beginning” without any bias, one would never come up with the notion that it means sometime in the past other than the beginning.
Besides, whatever folks say, if the Word was God, He had no beginning, and also was the same Being who created the Heavens and the Earth in The Beginning.
@@sketchbook1 Yes! But it proves that Yeshua only pre-existed in the LOGOS of Yhwh from the Gen. Beginning. Yeshua BEGAN his physical existence at his birth and spiritual birth at the Jordan.
There’s a reason why Jesus was also revealed as the Arm of Lord and not just the Word of God. It is for the very reason that people like you who will use the devil’s verbal gymnastics just so you can deny the deity of the Arm of the Lord who became flesh in order to save mankind from sin, will have no excuse.
A "reasonable explanation" doesn't make it the truth. Jesus came down from heaven (Bread of Heaven). He preexisted. Also throughout the Old Testament we see Jesus was there. Isaiah 48:16-17 is just one example.
There is certainly no Trinity in Isaiah 48:15, 16. Note the punctuation in the NIV: “I [the LORD God], even I have spoken, yes, I have called him [the Messiah, God’s agent]. I [the LORD] will bring him [the Messiah] and he [the Messiah] will succeed in his mission. Come near me [the LORD God] and listen to this. ‘From the first announcement I have not spoken in secret; at the time it happens I am there.'”
Note carefully that the NIV closes the quotation marks at that point. A new speaker then says: “And now the Sovereign LORD has sent me with his Spirit.” The Messiah is here represented as being sent by the LORD (God). The vast majority of Trinitarian scholars would never advance this passage as any evidence for the Trinity.
@@EmJay2022 The NIV Bible is not the inerrant Word of God because of the faulty translation as well as omission of key words and verses. The KJV is the standard and it says what it means. The Messiah is speaking there of himself as one of the persons of the Trinity! To deny this would mean that you are denying the entire chapter and previous chapters that are clearly spoken in the First Person of himself while then speaking of the Lord of Hosts AND His Spirit as separate persons.
@@EmJay2022 Read Isaiah 40. Stop stealing Jesus glory. The only name in which sinners can be saved! The whosoever will.
The Word became flesh and dwelled among us.
And what are we, chopped liver? Each of us is, in a sense, an incarnation of God. To restrict this to 1 man in history is ludicrous. If we have or are a soul, then there is a part of us that is non-material. This would equate to spiritual. But ancient people seemed to consider God as totally separate, with the need of an intercessor and human sacrifice to God. This makes little sense in the 21st century, since we have left this sacrificial appeasement of God behind in the classical world.
Not sure what point you are trying to make. Would you please expound some. Thank you.
I disagree about "in the beginning." I think it means in the beginning of Jesus' ministry. The apostles say so many times in the New Testament.
Why would John talk about creation and then jump out of context to the present and start talking about John the Baptist and Jesus?
Look at the other "in the beginnings" in the New Testament. They are taking about Jesus'ministry, as in "what we saw from the beginning"...
This belief that it points to Genesis is what leads Trinitarians to think Jesus was the Creator.
Other than that I agree with your statements.
Very true. "In the beginning," as used by John in both his gospel and his epistles, simply refers to the beginning of the Lord's public ministry.
In the beginning, it can’t Possibly mean what you’re talking about because there’s context about the rest of the verses after that was said. John is establishing that the Word is Jesus. John is establishing Jesus pre-Existence. “In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. He existed in the beginning with God. God created everything through him, and nothing was created except through him. The Word gave life to everything that was created, and his life brought light to everyone.”
John 1:1-4 . “. So the Word became human and made his home among us. He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness. And we have seen his glory, the glory of the Father’s one and only Son.”
John 1:14 NLT
@@neofoo Okay. Stop right there. If you're going to say that John 1:1 says that Jesus is the Word, this conversation is over.
It does not ANYWHERE say Jesus.
The ACTUAL person WHOM it is talking about is Jesus's God - the only God there is God the Father. The word was God.
You in your brain washing by the Catholic Church are reading the "word was with God" and are mentally deceiving yourself into reading "And Jesus was with God."
@@neofoo John is not establishing Jesus' preexistence. There is no such thing. He is ONLY doing that in your imagination, not in scripture. What you are doing what is called Isegesis reading your propaganda taught to you by modern lying Pharisees INTO the text when you are reading it. You aren't asking yourself what it is telling you. You are reading it and your programming is telling you something other than what the text is. Jesus was a man just like us, made just like us and he only existed after he was born like us, he was MADE as a creation of God yes the scriptures say so. He only preexistence his existence just as you and I did: in the mind of the Father before he created. The Bible says God knew us before he formed us in the womb. Show me the name Jesus is John 1:1. You can't. It isn't there. Except on your mind. It's right before you but yet seeing you cannot see.
@@neofoo The word godhead is again mentioned in Romans 1:20, and in Romans 1:7 Paul clearly and unequivocally identifies WHO “God” is: The Father: To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Who is the subject referred to by the word “him” in Romans 1:20? Let's take a look at Romans 1:16-20: For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Clearly the word “him” in verse 29 is referring to the same one person who is being referred to in the words “the power of” and “the wrath of” and “that which may be know of” and “his eternal power.” And WHO is that? Yes: God the Father alone. There are no words “they” and “them."
Let's take a look at Colossians 2:9 "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." In this verse we can clearly see that the word “him” is referring to Jesus the messiah! In verses 10-15 we can see: “And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.”
Clearly the operator of all of these great feats is God the Father! He is the head of all principality and power. the faith of the operation of God - God the Father did it. God the Father did the raising of the really dead human man Jesus the Messiah. God cannot die. God the Father quickened Jesus the man, the messiah, the son of God, and God the Father forgives trespasses, and blots out the handwriting of ordinances against us and nailed them to Jesus' cross. God the Father spoiled Principalities and powers and God the Father made a show of them openly and he triumphed over them.
We already know from the other two instances that the Godhead is the Father alone. In Colossians 2:9 Trinitarians and Godheaders cannot claim that Godhead means anything but the Father because the entire Gospel of John talks about how God the Father dwelled in Jesus. On earth, Jesus represents God's authority. But do not lose sight that it is God the Father's authority that Jesus wields and represents. Pay very close attention: God the Father who dwells in Jesus, is alone, the Godhead.
Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Acts 2:21-22 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. 22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
1 Corinthians 8:6 (Is one amoung many verses that shows us the true identity (WHO) “God” is:) “But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.” (It says he is one person - the Father!)
1 Corinthians 11:3 Once again proves that the Father alone is the Godhead: “But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.”
2 Peter 1:17 Clearly shows that God is the Father alone: “For (Jesus) he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” All the verses consistently teach that Jesus is the Son of God the Father, and is NOT “God the Son.”
Matthew 13:43 “Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.” (Whose kingdom is it? Yes: the Father - God's kingdom.)
(Over and over again we see that only the Father is God:
1 Timothy 1:1-2; 1:17 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope; 2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord. 17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
1 Timothy 6:13-16 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession; 14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. (Only God the Father alone (Yahweh) has immortality of himself. The Father shows in his times. All others who have immortality have it because he gives it to them. Without Yahweh, all creation would not exist.)
In Romans 1:20, one person is being addressed: the Father. “Him.” “His.” So we again we see that “Godhead” is referring only to the Father, who alone, is God. That's why the word is singular. Because there is only one person who is God. Otherwise, we'd put on “S” on the end, if Trinitarianism were true.
It's written in plain English. Even children can see it. But adults, deceived with the doctrines of the moderrn Pharisees, cannot. It's right before their eyes yet seeing, they cannot see.
When The Angel YHWH (Ha Yah) appeared to Moses He said,"I Am the Elohim of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob." Yeshua said, "before Abraham was I Am"!
The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob according to Peter in Acts 3.13 is not Jesus. God is clearly differentiated from Jesus. “The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his Servant Jesus, whom you handed over and denied before the face of Pilate, when he had decided to release him.” Therefore Jesus isn’t claiming to be God. In the context of John he is most likely claiming to be the light of the world before Abraham came to be.
Great job!! I have always believe just the same and taught just the same! God is great and he’s using you to help get the truth out!
Jesus was an is a human being but HIS goings forth have been from old from EVERLASTING!!
He only existed in the mind of God before he was begotten and born. He had no goings forth before his birth.
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johnspartan98 you create your own Bible.. were the word mind came? so youre dead in the mind of God..
don't make much interpretation of the bible just understand what it reads.. Jesus is from of old and From everlasting.. thats all.
Revelation 22:18-19
[18]For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
[19]And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
when the bible says Jesus from everlasting just accept it please do not harden your heart.
That statement conveys no understanding, and is Trinitarian.
It means his origins are from far back, not that Jesus was an incarnate god.
You are trying to deceive people in your greed to make your man doctrine real, when it is not.
because God foreknew and spoke about the coming Yeshua (salvation) the 2nd Adam a.k.a plan B
My understanding of the word of God made flesh, is that it is God's nature, God's spirit, manifesting in us as shown by our behavior and actions, as we live according to his word, his instructions, aka the torah. And Jeshua was the word made flesh by the sinless obedience to God's word, as he showed us by example, the true nature of God, in order for us to follow. Jeshua was the true sinless uncorrupted word of God made flesh example. Whereas the pharisees like so many, twisted God's word to the point where it became a religion of man made traditions, where the original meaning of God's word became lost, and the yoke or burden of the man made traditions became heavy or unbearable.
same with the Christian church!
tell me how can a mere man claim to be the first andthe last??
He is FIRST born from the dead and the LAST Adam.
Mr. C you add some word to have your own ideas..
it is only first and the Last don't add anything..
Revelation 1:8
[8]I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
easy ..I was first in line at a shop and I was also the last because I was the only customer for the day
@@mikha007 I'm very late to this but according to the whole book of Ephesians it clearly explains that for mankind to exist with free will, Jesus was the perfect plan of God. So everything was made through Jesus having to save all mankind for God already knew about the fall of man. Jesus is not a mere man but the king of all mankind forever and only God is above him. Found in psams 2 vs 7 and 1 Corinthians 15 explains that Jesus is above all. Without Jesus in God's plan mankind would not exist but through Jesus salvation was made.
@@johnchauke7492 and so Yeshua/Jesus is not God Almighty
Excellent exegesis.
i wonder, how two individuals think, the same way ,exactly the same, it is just because of the WORD of GOD is the same for every one, I see myself in you br
Thank you for your presentation. It was given in a manner that it does not attack or demean another person's beliefs, but rather asks that we look at John's prologue through a different lens. Sometimes the greatest challenge in arriving at a better understanding of a biblical text, is the need to set aside some of our pre-existing assumptions and approach it with an open mind. There is a definite logic in how you have unpacked and then explained John 1.1-3, which in reading the surrounding verses and the wider context, does offer supporting evidence for your interpretation.
Personally, the explanation you provide gives the reader a better direct understanding of God, his plan and the role of his promised messiah. It removes the need for the 'mystery' element of the trinitarian God, which theologians and clergy confess can never be fully explained. The position you take is more optimistic - it suggests that it is indeed possible to conceive and understand God with our human mind.
Hello beloved Brother, I am a Messianic Unitarian meaning I believe the Father is alone the true God who made the messiah and that God Yehovah's law stands just in a spiritual sense meaning Yeshua is the sacrifice, the temple, we are temple too, the high preist and such but still we should keep dietary and feasts/shabbats. If you agree with this please reach out to me Id love to have more brothers on my call in shows.
John 1:1 " In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was WITH GOD, and the WORD WAS GOD, HE was in the beginning WITH God, and all things were made through HIM, and without HIM was not anything made. In HIM was life...and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth, we have beheld HIS glory......grace and truth came through Jesus Christ...". Hebrews 1:2 " but in the last days he has spoken to us by a SON...through whom also he created the world. HE reflects the glory of God and bears the very stamp of his nature, upholding the universe by his word of power. When he made purification for sins, HE sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.....But of the Son God says, "Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever....thou Lord, didst found the earth in the beginning....thy years will never end." John 17 :5 " and now, Father, glorify thou me in thy own presence WITH THE GLORY WHICH I HAD WITH THEE BEFORE THE WORLD WAS MADE......and I am coming to thee......now I am coming to thee....as thou didst send me into the world.....that they may also be in US...to behold my glory which thou hast given me....before the foundation of the world." John 16 :5 " I am going to him who sent me.....because I go to the Father.....I go to the Father....I am leaving the world and going to the Father....I am not alone, the Father is with me." Rev 22:1 " water of life, flowing from the throne of God AND OF THE LAMB"....Lastly Genesis 1:26 " LET US make man in our image". Not that hard to understand
You need more understanding my friend and also understand translations and where the trinity even came from!
Because in your Bible it says without him and him etc but some bibles say it! When referring to the world not him! Which is a big difference in translation
Christianity is its own religion the trinity is not biblical
Wis 18:15 Your all-powerful #Word leaped from heaven, from the royal throne
Bar 3:35,37 This is our God ... Afterwards, He was seen upon the earth and lived #among men.
Jn 1:14 And the #Word became flesh and dwelt #among us
Rev 19:13 and His name is called The #Word of God
John 20:28-"And Thomas answered and said to Him,My Lord and my God".
John 20:17 Do not touch me, for I have not ascended to the Father. Rather, go and tell my brethren that I go to my Father and your Father. To my God and your God.
“‘He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the sanctuary of My God, and he will never go out from it anymore. And I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name.” (Revelation 3:12, LSB)
““And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” (John 17:3, LSB)
“For HE (the Father) HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS (Christ's) FEET. But when He says, "All things have been put in subjection [under Christ]," it is clear that He (the Father) who put all things in subjection to Him (Christ) is excepted [since the Father is not in subjection to His own Son]. [Psa 8:6] However, when all things are subjected to Him (Christ), then the Son Himself will also be subjected to the One (the Father) who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all [manifesting His glory without any opposition, the supreme indwelling and controlling factor of life].” (1 Corinthians 15:27-28, AMP)
These are four receipts that show Jesus has a Father and a God.
Thanks God ... Soli Deo Gloria
Here's my question. How then did Jesus live a sinless life? Adam was also unique in that he was created directly by God, yet he disobeyed God. So Jesus and Adam are the only two people to have ever been made by the hand of God. What specifically is it about Christ nature that caused him to obey God given that he is equal to Adam in that he was directly created by God?
Within two years Catholicism became Unitarianism?
Explained so perfectly based on actual scripture, thank you!
It's annoying when Trinitarians don't bother to look back at the Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek original precise meanings.
It is your interpretation. Experience the triune nature of God rather trying to understand it from your finite mind.
Since, from John 8:17-18 'the testimony of two men is true ' shows the Father, God in heaven John 8:54, is a man, having his own material body which is a soul and has a rhuach spirit within him, then even the Word who was God with God shows that the Word also had a material tangible body which became a soul and has a rhuach spirit within him.
No
Jesus was a man who is also the messiah. The messiah is A human who is also prophesied to be God. John baptized Jesus and said he saw the Spirit of God enter Jesus. Jesus claims the father left him at Crucifixion. Jesus said he will be with the Father. And finally, the Gospels claim Jesus is currently with the Father yet Jesus doesn't know when he'll return.
The take away here is:
Jesus is not God but was only God temporarily (as God was in him).
It always amazes me how often people do not heed God's own testimony as to how his word was made flesh. In Deut. 18.18-19 God gives a clear promise as to how this would come about. Throughout the entirety of scripture the terms God and Father are synonymous. The Word, like the Spirit, is always the Father's (God's) Word. Jesus denies being the actual or pre-existing Word by regularly stating the words that he spoke were not his own but the Father's. He spake all that his Father 'commanded' him to.
Deut. 18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
617ram Jesus never once denied his preexistence. Jn8:58 JN6:62 JN17:3 WAS Jesus confused or was he the truth?
Who is the *Word?*
He wore a robe dipped in blood, and his title was *the Word of God.* (Revelation 19:13)
In the *beginning, was the Word,* and *the Word was with God,* and *the Word was God.* (John 1:1)
And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you *before the world began.* (John 17:5)
*BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN*
But your filter says, "the Word" is the beginning of Jesus's Earthly Ministry, again doesn't make sense.
1)What came first? (Multiple choice)
A) AD 27-29
B) *Before the World Began*
Answers: *B* *Before the World Began*
2) What does the "the Word of God" mean?
A) the beginning of Jesus's earthly ministry
B) Jesus's title in Heaven
Answer B *Title* the correct filter to read the rest of the New Testament.
Hebrews 1:8 The Father says to Son, Your Throne O God is forever, and Thomas declared before Jesus "My Lord and My God".
100% proof Oneness is the faith of Abraham: Acts2:38,8:16,10:48,19:5,22:16.
God gave Jesus the WORD.
Jesus started at his birth from Mary
If Jesus started at his birth from Mary, who came to Abraham in Genesis 18?
Who was the God of Israel Moses, Aaran and the 70 elders SAW in Exodus 24:9-11?
You, antichrists, are hilarious.
On the bright side, fiery Gehenna will fix you up, and your rabbi Tovia Singer too
Isaiah 9:6-7 For to us a child is born, and he will be called wonderful counseller, Mighty God, Everlasting farther, prince of peace, Therefore Jesus is is the Everlasting farther, Mighty God, Zechariah 12:10 God says, I will pour out a spirit of grace and supplication, they will look on me the one they have pierced and they will mourn. This is God telling us that he is the one on the cross long before the time year before. I Jesus christ the fullness of the Diety (the creator)lives in bodily form. Jesus christ created all things for him by him,
Did Jesus christ lie telling, Philip and Thomas, that they have been with the farther all this time, the farther is in me and I am in the farther. We are one.?
Essentially, in order for me to agree with your explanation of John chapter 1, I must first accept that the pronouns "He" and "Him" should have instead been translated as It.
I wonder how many other passages of scripture I would have to dismiss or change in order accept other unitarian beliefs.
MIC DROP!!!!!
The problem with the Unitarian is that they cannot account for the old testaments use of the plural modifiers associated with elohim as it relates to the One God. The singular modifiers show that their is one God and the plural modifiers associated with this one God can attest that this one God is multi-personal in nature. We have to remember this Word of the Lord his Voice did literally walk in the Garden and was literally met and directly worshipped and spoke words of his very own. Thus, the Memra/Logos of God is much more than poetry. It was very real, interactive and very personal just as the logos spoken of by John the Apostle in John 1:1. After all, Jesus Christ himself said he came down from heaven not to do his own will (John 6:38) and spoke about his ascension back to where he was before (John 6:62). Thus, Jesus ascension was literal just as his coming down for he the the Lord from heaven (1 Cor 15:47); the very Lord who created all things (1 Cor 8:6).
ELOHIM:
I'm guessing you have not run that understanding of 'elohim' past a Jew who actually speaks and writes Hebrew?
He, or she, would explain to youin depth, the ENGLISH based misunderstanding you have about the plural use of 'elohim' in the HEBREW language.
There's very little similarity between English grammar and Hebrew.
grammar.
Which would also explain why for thousands of years the Jews had no understanding of Yehovah being a plurality... Then and Now.
FYI... 'elohim'/'god' is just a GENERIC TITLE of authority; for men, idols angels... and even Satan (the 'god'of this world').
Shalom.
@@TheAvegator what I spoke about was the plural usage of modifiers around Elohim in association with God alone. Can you explain the plurals: nouns, verbs, adjectives, pronouns and participles that are used in conjunction with Elohim when used of God alone. If you cannot explain these plurals scripture can as it interprets itself. We cannot begin and end with the Hebrews as they are fallible. We then must begin and end with scripture.
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' let Scripture define Scripture.'
I was hoping you would seek a 'professional' source. I myself don't consider myself as an 'expert' source.
But I will share with you what I have found out for myself.
Short Version
In ENGLISH grammar we add 'er' and est' to enlarge or magnify a word.
Bright, brighter, brightest
Dark darker darkest.
Cold colder coldest... Etc.
HEBREW grammar is VERY different!
To magnify word they actually multiply it ... to suggest MORE of what it normally posseses ... MORE of its Qualities.
And unlike English grammar they only have one stage of enlargement/ magnification.. no middle stage!
The best way I can illustrate it in English would be this way.
Bright, bright¹⁰
Dark, dark¹⁰
Cold, cold¹⁰....
'god', god¹⁰... get it?
FYI
In ancient Hebrew and Greek grammar... there is NO CAPITAL letters.. there are no Exclamation Marks (?!"'.,)
ALL of that is ADDED.. at the discretion of the Translators!
@@TheAvegator I assume by professional you mean scholastic. I have my post was based on scholarship: perhaps, if I paraphrase scholarship I should quote the source in the future.
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I was tired and professional was what first came to mind.
But I just meant anyone who had years of personal experience on the subject... In this case I was thinking of a native speaker of the Hebrew Language.
Jesus is the eternal existing God. Praise the triune God. John 1 and many other verses show that the "word", Jesus, pre- existed creation.
perfect sir you teach true from Bible.
Thanks!
My dear the problem wth your demonstration is that you endeavour to bring the mystery of Jesus to the level of you rhuman understanding. It might look correct, but you're wrong. Go to pray and seek the Lord o nthis question, and He'll reveal the truth to you.
That's not an argument. I could easily tell you to do the same. :)
Good stuff.
To all the trinitarians who rage at this;
My favourite verses are found in Proverbs 8, where we discover a lady present as well at the creation, referred to in commentaries as "Lady wisdom." She states that she was 'there at the beginning with God' and helped make all the creation. There it is in your Bible my friend, its in them all. What?????? do we now have a quartet instead of a trio? Should we put a capital letter W on wisdom in this chapter? This could be Jesus's eternal mother playing with eternally begotten Jesus in the creation toy box in heaven way back when???? mmmm... Doesnt that sound delightfully sentimental, something which is essential to trinity theology..... oh hang on, it would be quadrature theology if Prov8 had a capital W. (Translator thinking, 'should I put a capital W in prov8?')
Ahhh! I see. Its the figure of speech "Personification," and as such in Proverbs portrays God's wisdom being used in the creation. Why its almost word for word what Apostle John says in Jn1.1 etc about Gods spoken word, God doing the creating by speaking the word, almost as if Apostle John has used Prov8 as a template, you know, so we who know our OT will "get it." Get it?
I disagree about in the beginning. I think it means in the beginning of Jesus'ministry. The apostles say so many times.
You are correct.
@@johnspartan98 - One question related to the reliability of the new testament and the bible as a whole do you think that voddie baucham, j warner wallace & most importantly hugh ross whom were all unbelievers but after careful study of the scripture they found out that it is true. Do you think they are good response to erhman. Respect from a muslim
Nah you wrong lol
Makes perfect sense I've never believed in the so called Trinity! I've always held to a medalistic view of God and have a strict Monotheistic view of God!
Correction modalistic not medalistic!
John and Jesus indicated that he pre-existed Creation. Your claim that John was just being poetic is weak. Go re-visit the Bible and re-read it, then accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour.
Incorporeal God has no, desires, wants, needs, intentions or ambitions because He is eternally Pure and Detached. He knows the beginning, middle and end of the world,. He is the Ocean of Knowledge, He has no curiosity or need to experience a human existence. God is also bound by the predestined world drama cycle. God is never born through a womb.
😢What about Rev 19:13 where it calls Jesus the, Word of God?
The word became flesh. This is a basic example of speaking things into existence. We spoke about a messiah and eventually it manifested into reality. Scripture also says. Where two or three are gathered in my name, there I am in the midst of them. This is another classic example of scripture talking about manifesting the things spoken about. This is why some teach that you should never speak a bad thing about yourself or a situation. It's so these things are not spoken into existence. Jesus and the whole kingdom of God is the byproduct of this basic "new age teaching."
Great video.... Very sensible
Jesus is not the "word" (Greek: logos) in John's prologue because that would make God a begotten being. You cannot take John 1:14 as meaning the logos of YHWH became Jesus because that causes conflict with other scriptures. The meaning is God gave Jesus his divine plan and Jesus accepted it, believed it, and preached it in perfect obedience. In that sense the word became life in Jesus, as it does in a similar way with all believers.
The "word" in John 1:1 is the Gospel, the word of Life, the logos of YAH, which is his divine plan.
"In the beginning" is the Greek word "archee' which is a common expression used by the disciples and apostles throughout the NT. It refers to the beginning of Jesus ministry.
To better understand John's prologue to his Gospel, read 1 John 1:
_That which was from the beginning*, which we have *heard*, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched--this we proclaim concerning the *word of life (logos). The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ._
1 John 1:1-3 NIV
For more on the meaning of "in the beginning" check these verses:
This beginning (archeé) of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.*
JOHN 2:11 NIV
“For Jesus knew from the beginning (archeé). JOHN 6:64 KJV
(this is a reference by Jesus to the beginning of his ministry)
"And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning." (archeé) JOHN 15:27 KJV
"These things they will do because they have not known the Father or Me. But these things I have spoken to you, so that when their hour comes, you may remember that I told you of them. These things I did not say to you at the beginning (archeé), because I was with you." JOHN 16:3-4 NIV
"As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning (archeé) remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father." 1 JOHN 2:24 NIV
"For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning (archeé), that we should love one another." 1 JOHN 3:11 KJV
"And now, dear lady, I am not writing you a new command but one we have had from the beginning (archeé) . I ask that we love one another. And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard *from the beginning*, his command is that you walk in love." 2 JOHN 1:5-6 NIV
The beginning (archeé) of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; As it is written in the prophets, “Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. The voice of one crying in the wilderness, ‘Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.’” And there went out unto him all the land of Judea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.
MARK 1:1-5 NIV
“There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.”
John 1:6 (NOTE: John 1:1-5 is the antecedent to John 1:6). There should be no doubt that John the baptist prepared the way for Jesus ministry.
"Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the beginning (archeé) were eyewitnesses and servants of the word (logos), it seemed fitting for me as well, having investigated everything carefully from the beginning, (archeé) to write it out for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus; so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught." LUKE 1:1 NASB
"You know the message (logos) God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace THROUGH Jesus Christ , who is Lord (Adoni or Kurios) of all. You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached--how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power,* and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him."*
ACTS 10:36-39 NIV
My manner of life from my youth, which was at the first (archeés), among mine own nation at Jerusalem, is known by all the Jews.
ACTS 26:4 KJV
NOTE: The Word of God came to John the Baptist (Luke 3:2) and he proclaimed the Good News.
"But what does it say? "The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart," that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." Romans 10:8-9 NIV
Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of GOD.
Romans 10:17
The Gospel message is the power of God that leads men to salvation. Romans 1:16
*_Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here! 2 Corinthians 5:17
For the word (logos) of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of GOD. 1 Corinthians 1:18
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. Romans 1:16.
There is no need to read between the lines. Jesus is not the logos of John 1:1-5. YHWH's logos is his POSSESSION, not a person. Jesus declared no less than three times in John's gospel that the words he spoke belonged to his Father. That means they are a possession and attribute of his Father.
*_these words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me._*
John 14:24.
The correct rendering of John's prologue is this:
John 1:1-2
From the beginning of Jesus ministry he was given a divine plan from his Father to preach to the world. This divine plan existed with YHWH in eternity and was always with Him as it was part of Him. The divine plan Jesus preached enlightened those who heard and believed in it, but to those living in darkness that refused to hear it and believe, they remained in darkness and could not comprehend it.
John 1:3
JOHN 1:3
"All things were made by it (the logos of YAHWEH); and without it was not any thing made that was made."
"ALL" is not used in the unviversal sense. "All" is being used in a limited sense. All things is a reference to all things regarding redemption, salvation, and renewal of God's creation through Jesus ministry. (See John 16:30; 19:28; 1 John 2:20)
"him" in the KJV and other English translations is a mistranslation and should be rendered "it." The logos of God is not a person, it's GOD'S possession. The convention of translating autos as "it" instead of "he" or "him" is found in many early English translations before the 1611 KJV.
Examples:
All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made. (1599 GNV)
All thynges were made by it: and without it, was made nothing that was made. (1595 Bishops Bible)
All things were made by it and with out it was made nothing that was made. (1534 Tyndale Bible)
All things were made by it, and without it, was made nothing that was made. (1539 Great Bible)
All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made. (1560 Geneva Bible)
"ALL" is not used in the unviversal sense. "All" is being used in a limited sense. All things is a reference to all things regarding redemption, salvation, and renewal of God's creation through Jesus ministry. (See John 16:30; 19:28; 1 John 2:20)
The Greek text reads as follows:
"πάντα δι’ αὐτοῦ ἐγένετο, καὶ χωρὶς αὐτοῦ ἐγένετο οὐδὲ ἕν ὃ γέγονεν."
This literally translates:
"All things through it emerged and without it emerged not even one thing that emerged."
"Emerged" does not mean the same as created. Emerged fits much better with "enlightenment" and "the light coming into the world." The light rises (emerges) in our hearts through hearing the GOSPEL. The Gospel sheds light, opens men's hearts, and has the power to save lives according to Romans 1:16. The only creation implied is the new creation brought about by Christs obedience unto death and subsequent resurrection (the new life in us).
The intended message of John 1:3 is as follows:
"All things (pertaining to our salvation) emerged (came to light) through the preaching of the GOSPEL, and without the preaching of the Gospel nothing that emerged (came to light) would have emerged (came to light)."
Nothing in the context of John 1:1-3 indicates it is referring to the Genesis creation. It relates to the RENEWAL of Creation through the GOSPEL (logos).
"Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!" 2 Corinthians 5:17
"BY, IN, and FROM" YAHWEH we all have our existence.
"THROUGH" Jesus all things are made new by the gospel, the word of YAH, His Logos. 2 Corinthians 5:17
*A quick look at the Epistle of 1st John 1:1-3 provides incite to understanding John 1:1-3 (above).
"That which was from *the beginning*, which we have *heard*, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched--this we proclaim concerning the *word of life* (logos). The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ." 1 John 1:1-3 NIV
I no longer believe that Jesus is the "logos" of YHWH in John 1:1-5. That notion conflicts with too many scriptures.
*raymond lindroth*
Amen. You got it. Most don't. I agree with your comment completely.
Thanks for your kind prayer at the end of your comment.
May THE Creator Yahweh give you all the understanding He knows you need to stand before His literal genetic SON Yahshua in all HOLINESS on that great day of Yahweh Almighty GLORIFIED for all the world to see. Heb. 12: 14. Bless you
johnspartan98
Interesting book you wrote here. The word became flesh is exactly what this verse means. Jesus is the word made flesh.
John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
What glory is he speaking about?
You forgot to mention:
John 1:10-11
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
@@approvedofGod I shortened it and came up with this :
JOHN 1:14
A typical English translation reads like this:
*_"And the word became flesh and dwelt among us, (and we beheld its glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."_* John 1:14
Most Christians believe Jesus is the word that became flesh. This interpretation is absurd and I will explain why using the Greek and prove it from the OT and the NT. My Premise is: The word did not become Jesus' flesh or anybody's flesh.
1. Strong's 1096 Greek "egeneto" is poorly translated as "became" in John 1:14. "egeneto" is translated as "came to" in Luke 3:2
*_"The word of God came to (egeneto) John the Baptist."_*
Luke 3:2 and John 1:14 are conveying the same idea. The word of God came to them, was placed into them, and it dwelled in them. Nowhere in the OT does God say he will make His word become flesh. He says he will put his word into His prophet's mouth.
The word becoming flesh is not prophesied. The word being placed into Jesus is prophesied in Deuteronomy 18:18.
2. Strong's 4561 Greek "sarx" should not be translated "flesh" but rather "humanity." The next part of the verse supports sarx being translated as humanity by referring to "us." More than 80 percent of the time "sarx" is translated as "flesh" it is associated with the sinful nature of man, so it makes no sense to say the word became flesh. Using flesh and claiming it means "Jesus" dishonors him and is refuted by Jesus own words:
*_"The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you--they are full of the Spirit and life."_* John 6:63.
3. Strong's 1722 Greek "en" means: in, on, or among. "in" makes more sense than translating "en" as "among" because as with the prophets, John, Jesus, the disciples, and all believers today the word of God dwells in the believer. (Colossians 3:16)
4. Strong's 846 Greek "autos" is accurately translated as "it" (not him or he) when referring to the logos. The only reason a translator would choose the word "he" is to lead the reader to believe the logos of God is the person of Jesus. However, Jesus never refers to himself as the "Word" and neither do any of the Apostles.
No Greek Lexicon defines the word as Jesus.
The way John 1:14 should be translated is like this:
*_"The word came to humanity and dwelt in us, and we witnessed its glory, glory as like the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."
_*
Notice the glory they witnessed is "as like" that of the only begotten of the Father? There is no doubt the 12 disciples witnessed Jesus, but the disciples also felt the effects of the word of God coming into them and enlightening them with the same light Jesus had in him. They all experienced the grace and truth Jesus brought to them (the Gospel) which was in them.
As further proof to support my corrections from Greek to English I rely on Deuteronomy 18:18 which is fulfilled in John 1:14
*_"I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I WILL PUT MY WORDS IN HIS MOUTH. He will tell them everything I command him."_* Deuteronomy 18:18
Where does God say in the above verse that he will make his word become the flesh of His prophet? There is a big difference between the word becoming flesh and God placing his word into Jesus and the word dwelling in us. Not one OT prophecy states that God's word will become the flesh of Jesus or anyone else for that matter. This is 100 percent proof that the translation I propose above is accurate.
If Jesus is the word, then these scriptures are in conflict: John 7:15-18; John 8:28; John 12:49-50; John 14:10; John 14:24.
*_The word is GOD._* John 1:1
*_By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth._* Psalms 33:6 Made by God according to his divine plan (the logos), not made by Jesus.
The word of God enters into those who receive it and it becomes life in them.
*_"The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you--they are full of the Spirit and life."_* John 6:63
The word of God ALWAYS works in conjunction with His spirit.
YHWH, His word, and His spirit are indivisible. These are the three coequal and coeternal indivisibles. Not three persons, not three gods, but one God with one MIND(spirit) expressed through His inseparable eternal attribute and possession that He refers to as His "word."
@@approvedofGod JOHN 1:10
*"He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him."*
*World* is translated from the Greek word Kosmos. In this context "kosmos" means *the inhabitants of the world* not the earth or the universe.
*YHWH revealed Himself to the inhabitants of the world through His Son Jesus, but the inhabitants rejected Jesus, and by doing so they rejected YHWH.* In a similar way, when the Israelites rejected Moses by disobeying him, God considered it as a rejection of Himself.
JOHN 1:11
*"He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him."*
Here John changes the subject. How did YHWH come to his own people? He reveals Himself to the Jews through his one and only begotten Son who He anointed as His agent. By rejecting Jesus and the Gospel, the Jews were rejecting YHWH.
JOHN 1:12
*"Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God."*
All those who believe the Gospel and trust in Jesus as the Son of God and Messiah, become children of God.
JOHN 1:13
*"children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God."*
Jesus was given power and authority from His Father to forgive sins and grant eternal life. Those who believe Jesus is the Messiah and Son of God become children of God.
My question is. So it is possible for man to live perfectly because Jesus is a man? Or is there a better understanding of this how he lives perfectly.
Amen loved the interpretation it’s starting to get more clear. What’s ur view on baptism ?
I understand your pov... As per 2 Timothy 3:16 scripture is used for reproof and correction. So please allow me to add to this conversation. With something you will hopefully wrestle with
If Jesus was not God then how do you explain verses:
a. John 17:5? Where Jesus declared He existed with the Father before the world was...
b. Revelation 22:12-13? Alpha and Omega (Jesus' words, NOT the Father's)
c. John 8:58 Before Abraham was, I am
John 1 is similar to the Genesis intro, however more likely, John is taking about the beginning of the ministry of Jesus the Messiah and he (Jesus) is shortly thereafter compared to John the Baptist which makes little sense if he was referring to the Genesis beginning.
THIS IS THE TRUTH !!!!
The word is not a creation but was before all things (created).
100 Names of Jesus.
Advocate (1 John 2:1)
Almighty (Rev. 1:8; Mt. 28:18)
Alpha and Omega (Rev. 1:8; 22:13)
Amen (Rev. 3:14)
Apostle of our Profession (Heb. 3:1)
Atoning Sacrifice for our Sins (1 John 2:2)
Author of Life (Acts 3:15)
Author and Perfecter of our Faith (Heb. 12:2)
Author of Salvation (Heb. 2:10)
Beginning and End (Rev. 22:13)
Blessed and only Ruler (1 Tim. 6:15)
Bread of God (John 6:33)
Bread of Life (John 6:35; 6:48)
Bridegroom (Mt. 9:15)
Capstone (Acts 4:11; 1 Pet. 2:7)
Chief Cornerstone (Eph. 2:20)
Chief Shepherd (1 Pet. 5:4)
Christ (1 John 2:22)
Creator (John 1:3)
Deliverer (Rom. 11:26)
Eternal Life (1 John 1:2; 5:20)
Gate (John 10:9)
Faithful and True (Rev. 19:11)
Faithful Witness (Rev. 1:5)
Faithful and True Witness (Rev. 3:14)
First and Last (Rev. 1:17; 2:8; 22:13)
Firstborn From the Dead (Rev. 1:5)
Firstborn over all creation (Col. 1:15)
Gate (John 10:9)
God (John 1:1; 20:28; Heb. 1:8; Rom. 9:5; 2 Pet. 1:1;1 John 5:20;
etc.)
Good Shepherd (John 10:11,14)
Great Shepherd (Heb. 13:20)
Great High Priest (Heb. 4:14)
Head of the Church (Eph. 1:22; 4:15; 5:23)
Heir of all things (Heb. 1:2)
High Priest (Heb. 2:17)
Holy and True (Rev. 3:7)
Holy One (Acts 3:14)
Hope (1 Tim. 1:1)
Hope of Glory (Col. 1:27)
Horn of Salvation (Luke 1:69)
I Am (John 8:58)
Image of God (2 Cor. 4:4)
Immanuel (Mt. 1:23)
Judge of the living and the dead (Acts 10:42)
King Eternal (1 Tim. 1:17)
King of Israel (John 1:49)
King of the Jews (Mt. 27:11)
King of kings (1 Tim 6:15; Rev. 19:16)
King of the Ages (Rev. 15:3)
Lamb (Rev. 13:8)
Lamb of God (John 1:29)
Lamb Without Blemish (1 Pet. 1:19)
Last Adam (1 Cor. 15:45)
Life (John 14:6; Col. 3:4)
Light of the World (John 8:12)
Lion of the Tribe of Judah (Rev. 5:5)
Living One (Rev. 1:18)
Living Stone (1 Pet. 2:4)
Lord (2 Pet. 2:20)
Lord of All (Acts 10:36)
Lord of Glory (1 Cor. 2:8)
Lord of lords (Rev. 19:16)
Man from Heaven (1 Cor. 15:48)
Mediator of the New Covenant (Heb. 9:15)
Mighty God (Isa. 9:6)
Morning Star (Rev. 22:16)
Offspring of David (Rev. 22:16)
Only Begotten Son of God (John 1:18; 1 John 4:9)
Our Great God and Savior (Titus 2:13)
Our Holiness (1 Cor. 1:30)
Our Husband (2 Cor. 11:2)
Our Protection (2 Thess. 3:3)
Our Redemption (1 Cor. 1:30)
Our Righteousness (1 Cor. 1:30)
Our Sacrificed Passover Lamb (1 Cor. 5:7)
Power of God (1 Cor. 1:24)
Precious Cornerstone (1 Pet. 2:6)
Prophet (Acts 3:22)
Rabbi (Mt. 26:25)
Resurrection and Life (John 11:25)
Righteous Branch (Jer. 23:5)
Righteous One (Acts 7:52; 1 John 2:1)
Rock (1 Cor. 10:4)
Root of David (Rev. 5:5; 22:16)
Ruler of God’s Creation (Rev. 3:14)
Ruler of the Kings of the Earth (Rev. 1:5)
Savior (Eph. 5:23; Titus 1:4; 3:6; 2 Pet. 2:20)
Son of David (Lk. 18:39)
Son of God (John 1:49; Heb. 4:14)
Son of Man (Mt. 8:20)
Son of the Most High God (Lk. 1:32)
Source of Eternal Salvation for all who obey him (Heb. 5:9)
The One Mediator (1 Tim. 2:5)
The Stone the builders rejected (Acts 4:11)
True Bread (John 6:32)
True Light (John 1:9)
True Vine (John 15:1)
Truth (John 1:14; 14:6)
Way (John 14:6)
Wisdom of God (1 Cor. 1:24)
Word (John 1:1)
Word of God (Rev. 19:13)
John 1 coupled with so many other verses in the Old and New Covenants from Isaiah 7 and 9, Isaiah 53, Daniel 7, 9, 10 and 12 along with Colossians 1, Hebrews 1, Revelation 1 and 2 reveal Christ is Divine Son of God, Son of Man, Son of David, all Divine Lord Messiah titles. Relook honestly at these scriptures and you will see Person of GodMan Jesus and John 14-16 the Holy Spirit is God. One God is Father, Son and Spirit. Glory Be!
6:09 so when John's first epistle the word is not a literal person but refers to God's plan for eternal life
*Humans hear, see, and handle a "person" not a "plan"*
1 john 1:1 "... which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon,
and our hands have handled..."
*1 john 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth*
The original text was Greek. You should seek the opinion of Greeks on the meaning of Logos.
Geneva Bible John 1:1
In the beginning was that word and that word was with God and that word was God.
KJV Proverbs 8:25 "Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth". This means that the word/wisdom had came out before creation of the world. This is in line with what Jesus said in John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was". Granting that the Word was God's word or speech, the above verses tell us that God's Word or speech was brought forth while still in the heavenly realm/ spiritual world or before everything was created. When the Word was brought forth, the Word acquired a distinct spiritual being or entity. God as a Spirit begets a Spirit which became his Spiritual Son.
This spiritual Son is what God glorified in John 17:5. The Word, which has attained a Spirit being/entity in the heavenly realm, became flesh (Jesus), when thru God's Holy Spirit, was conceived and born of Mary. Jesus was the Word of God, and is God. Jesus is God's word which became human flesh..
Only 1 telling the truth
And the Word MADE FLESH WHICH DWELT AMOUNG US...........After the resurrection!
Did Jesus dwelt among early Christians as the begotten mono.genes Word God accordingly to John 1:1 and Hebrews 1:1 as the pre-prophesied prophet on Moses' roll (Deuteronomy 18:18) to become Son of Jehovah God or he didn't ?
Isaiah 42:8 48:11-12 {God will never give his glory}
I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, and I will not give my glory unto another. I am he; I am the first, I also am the Last.
Revelation 1: 8 (He is the first and the last the beginning and the end the Alpha and Omega)
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was and which is to come, the Almighty.
Philippians 2:5-7 {of what did he empty himself}
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation (emptied), and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of man:
{The Greek reads as follows}
Who in form of God subsisting not rapinesteemed it to be equal with god;
John 14:28 {Jesus in human form occupies a lower position then the Father}
"You heard that I said to you, ‘I go away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.'"
Hebrews 2:9 {Jesus Humbled himself while walking among us}
But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone
Galatians 4:4 {Jesus surrendered his independent exercise of his divine attributes to be born as a human}
But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,
John 5:30
“I can do nothing on my own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and my judgment is just, because I do not seek my own will, but the will of Him who sent me.”
Colossians 1:19 {Yet he was still GOD}
For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell,
Colossians 2:9
For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Deity bodily.,
ὅτι ἐν αὐτῷ κατοικεῖ πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τῆς Θεότητος σωματικῶς
…This indicates most unequivocally the full divinity of Jesus Christ, for neither any man, even the godliest one, nor any angel, even the highest in angelic hierarchy can contain the "fullness" or "entirety" of Divinity. There is no human word that embodies the very essence of the Divine Being which dwells in Jesus.
John 14:9
Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
To behold Jesus was to see GOD
John 17:5 {God gives Jesus his glory back} {of his right to exercise his deity}
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Matthew 28:18 {which he takes up after the resurrection}
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, all power {authority} is given (surrendered) unto me in heaven and in earth.
Revelation 1: 11-14, 22:13, 16 {Jesus assumes his correct position as GOD}
Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: …
And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;…
And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man,
His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
I am Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End the First and the Last…
>> have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.
Revelation 1:17-18 {the Holy Spirit thru John states Jesus is the First and the Last?}
And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, fear not; I am the first and last:
I am he that liveth, and was…………….. Dead, and, behold, I am alive for evermore, A-men; and have the keys of hell and of death
John 1:1, 2,3,14 {The Holy Spirit states Jesus is God}
In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word .
Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος.
En arche en ho logos kai ho logos en pros ton Theon kai theos en ho Logos
And the Word flesh became, and tabernacled among us,
Matthew 1:23 (The Holy Spirit thru Matthew calls Jesus GOD}
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Isaiah 7:14 {The Holy Spirit calls Jesus God}
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
…..When did the First and the Last (GOD), the Beginning and the End (GOD), the Alpha and Omega (GOD) taste death?
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Matthew 26:53 (Jesus was obedient to what was prophesied)
Are you not aware that I can call on My Father, and He will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?
But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen this way?”…
Daniel 7:13-14, (Daniel saw the Son of Man approaching the Father)
In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.”
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And Yet God is one
Mark 12:28
And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all ? And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is,
Hear, O Israel;
The Lord our God is one Lord:
Psalm 119:18
Open my eyes to see wonderful things in your Word.
In His Service,
@@canderssonswedican7486 Hello! Are you proving oneness or Trinity?
The Word of the Lord is *Absolute Truth* in Judgement he appears as a *Glittering great two-edged Sword* his appearance is absolute purity and when he speaks he speaks as a person he is not Jesus in Judgement because judgment is a *Non-Trinitarian* event.
God is not HUMAN. We have difficulty understanding his magnificence w/
human minds.
I don’t think you can pay a debt with less then what’s real to pay that debt. You can’t pay eternal life with someone that is in eternal death , so you would say God said it s OK to let this eternal death debt cover this same eternal death debt , as long as he’s the best human? Instead of the Son of God that has the eternal life and willing to give it to mankind so they can have his life . I get the impression humans think eternal life is like money , it’s just printed. Why isn’t human sacrifice good enough? There has been plenty of that through human history to the innocent level, fighting for the good cause,
I'm too transcendent to get my hands dirty.
It is lawful to call Jesus God as the one who glorifies Jesus, the Father, did do so. For He was pleased to have all HIS fullness dwell in His Firstborn and Jesus is His exact image. And that was before the world began. A creation that God made through Jesus and for Jesus.
But about the Son he says,
“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy
He also says,
“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
11 They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
12 You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed.
But you remain the same,
and your years will never end
Jesus -a beginning at some point in history before the world began but has no end for Jesus has life in Himself by the will and command of His God. The Father is in Him and they are one. All the fullness of the Deity dwells in Jesus and the Son is the radiance of Gods glory and the exact representation of Gods being. Christ the wisdom and power of the Father. Christ the word of the Father.
A Son who is called mighty God.
When God brings the Firstborn into the world He commands all His angels to worship Him.
Your first question. 1) *If someone is telling you he is the alpha and omega does that mean that he is God?*
In its context, you have to remember I am or you or anyone else is not Jesus Christ, nor did I or you speak to John on the Island of Patmos. If Jesus says, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end, he is speaking about his Eternal being. Jesus is Eternal. God is Eternal.
*Your Second question. If someone tells you, I am the alpha and the omega - does that mean they are God?* If a Man or Woman came up to me and said, I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I would look at them and say you can't be Eternal because you were created. Not the Creator. I would look at them and say did you create the Heavens and the Earth. Obvious the answer is no.
Jesus is claiming this, He was there at the beginning and the end Creation, that he is Eternal, that's the difference. You or I, know that you are not Eternal, we are created beings. If someone says I am Alpha and Omega, they are claiming to be Eternal.
*(Isaiah 44: 6) Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last, and beside me, there is no God.*
Literally the exact phase! *I am the first, and I am the last* (please don't overlook this.)
We can see here God says *(Isaiah 44:6)* I am the first and the last beside me there is no God.
Jesus says to John, *(Rev. 1:11)* I am the First and the last.
Jesus is saying he is God.
You are misquoting Rev. 1:11
Rev. 1:8 is God, the Father speaking.
Rev. 2:8 is Jesus says I am first and last, which IS a title that is also used for the Father, in a differnt way.
If Jesus wanted to say he was God-----he WOULD. You are insinuating that Jesus is not coming right out and speaking the truth. This is not true. Jesus worships the same God that Abraham worshipped, and he taught us to worship that God, his Father, as well.
God has appointed the man Jesus---God appointed/ordained Jesus (Jesus cannot be God here)--- to judge the living and the dead (Acts 17:31, 10:38).
Jesus is literally speaking about having died in Rev. 2:8. The eternal God CANNOT DIE. You know this. To say the eternal God died is a contradiction. You make these contradictions because you're trying to prove an unbiblical lie. You're trying to force something untrue to be true.
Instead of trying to prove what you were told by men, don't you think it would be wise to read the book and ask, "What does the book say about who God is and who Jesus is?"
Amen and that's how I got it when He convert me myself had no glue and if talk about it people like you wants to be smart and especially a plain Jane sister in Christ they look at u if you from another planet just because you love the Word that is love
The word was God and it became flesh. The trinitarians say that John is saying that God became flesh, yet in his 1st letter, he contradicted himself.
1 John 4: 1-3 says that "Jesus Christ" came in the flesh. In the list of names, attributes and offices, you will not find the office of CHRIST designated to our God. Prove me wrong. The epithet Christ is only designated to Jesus.
1 John 1 reiterates the meaning of John 1.
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched-this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. 2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us.
We Know God can’t liar once He speaks it’s into existence. Do you believe that the Holy Spirit written the Bible. You believe that in Genesis that was God speaking creatures the world. The Bible is God Holy Word. It’s not man words.
Jesus, with regard to his humanity, was born of Mary; but the Word, clearly existed prior to Jesus' birth.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was fully God. - Jon 1:1
I came from the Father and entered into the world, but in turn, I am leaving the world and going back to the Father. - Joh 16:28
And now, Father, glorify me at your side with the glory I had with you before the world was created. -- Jn 17:5
in these last days he has spoken to us in a son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he created the world. - Heb 1:2
David West: never in the NKJV, KJV or Young's Literal translation is Jesus going to go 'back' to the Father...in those he is just 'going to' the Father (not returning or going back).
@@heaven9127 "never in the NKJV, KJV or Young's Literal translation" -- Before I respond directly are you contending that the KJV, YLT & NKJV translations exclusively govern the subject matter?
@@InfinitelyManic Not exclusively I think, but I know in original Greek there isn't any 'returning' or 'going back' with regard to Jesus going to the Father...those 3 translations are correct in line with the Greek...I don't know of more versions that have this correct, but they might be there. Also the 'Word' of God in John 1:1, isn't capitalized in the original Greek and I'm in the camp of 'the word' in John 1 just means the eternal plan/idea/speech of God the Father to the world. And that this plan/idea/speech finally became flesh in the form of the MAN Jesus Christ, for all mankind to be saved in his name. I don't believe 'the word' in John 1:1 directly refers to Jesus Christ or the eternal Son of God like he would be literally with the Father from the beginning. Do you believe in the trinity? If so, then the 'going back' to the Father (John 13:3) probably speaks more to your personal view, but the Greek isn't saying that.
@@heaven9127 "in original Greek there isn't any 'returning' or 'going back' with regard to Jesus going to the Father." -- What is the purpose of "again" or the Greek "palin" in "I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.", and does its semantic range allow one to use "back'?
"Also the 'Word' of God in John 1:1, isn't capitalized in the original Greek" -- Well, there are uncials & minuscules; so I don't this point has much value. I also don't think we should rely exclusively on all non proper name capitalization in translated languages; e.g., "Lucifer".
word == "plan/idea/speech of God the Father to the world"; this may be acceptable since logos = "word, spoken or written"; but do you strictly mean "to the world" given that the world is not eternal? Do you hold that the Father's speech includes His internal thoughts and are such thoughts eternal?
"directly refers to Jesus Christ or the eternal Son of God like he would be literally with the Father from the beginning." -- You must separate the created human nature from the pre-existing nature (logos) or person. Yes, Jesus the man had a beginning in space time; therefore, the human man did not pre-exist.
"Do you believe in the trinity?" -- I hold that Lord Jesus pre-existed eternally with respect to his divine nature as the logos of the Father & that the Holy Spirit is also eternal and has persona; yet, both emitted or came forth from the Father; so, while I would generally not use the word "trinity" since it's more often misunderstand or mischaracterized, you could construe my worldview as leaning towards trinitarianism.
Yes Sir!
1 John 4: 1 - 3 indicates that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. In a list of names, attributes and offices of God, you will not find the name Christ. God was never called Christ/ Messiah.
We cannot forget the importance of the three parts of our makeup. Spirit, Soul and Body (1 Thess 5:23)
Our Spiritual bodies are, right now, Seated in heavenly places in Messiah.
Colossians 3 Therefore if you ( Spirit ) have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is ( Now), seated at the right hand of God. 2 Set your mind ( Soul ) on the things above, not on the things that are on earth. 3 For you have ( Spirit) died and your life ( Alive) is hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ, who is our life, is revealed, then you ( Spirit )also will be REVEALED with Him in glory.We ( True believers ) are , right now, His Body. In the heavenly and on earth
Eph 1:22 And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, 23 which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.
The Called out Body ( Church ) is to keep His commandments and do His works
John 14:12 Truly, truly, ( For sure, most definitely ) I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father. 13 Whatever you ask in My name ( His plan ), that will I do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it. 15 “If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
The real question each of us should ask is;
" Am I doing the work of The Body of Messiah on planet earth and the heavens."
Paul knew His Savior and did His work
Romans 15:18 For I will not presume to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me, resulting in the obedience of the Gentiles by word and deed, 19 in the POWER of signs and wonders, in the power of the Spirit; so that from Jerusalem and round about as far as Illyricum I have FULLY preached the gospel of Christ.
1 Corinthians 2:4
My message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, 5 so that your faith would not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God.
Blessings
Romans 14:
12 So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God.
Gary Hendricks exactly
The three parts of our existence are body, spirit, and soul. The soul only exists when the spirit, which God breathed into us, is joined to our bodies. The soul dies, along with the body, when our spirit returns to God.
who you explain the angel of Yahweh in the old testament which was Yahweh himself or the logos according to Jewish Rabbis they called the angel of Yahweh the second Yahweh and the lesser Yahweh who enter our world & philo call him as the logos or the son of man or lesser Yahweh, how can we explain paul saying that GOd created the world through Jesus christ
The angel of the LORD was not literally the LORD. It was an angel who was acting and speaking on God’s behalf. This is not too different than the role Jesus would eventually fill.
@@variologies so do you believe Jesus is the angel of Yahweh ? Cause he is a divine
@@variologies Im still confuse of what u believe , guys so jesus father is god not a human doesnt that make him adivine ?
How u explain paul saying that the god created the world through jesus christ so he refers to word as person before creation
I don’t take that literally. I think Paul meant that God had Jesus in mind when He created the world.
@@variologies while it is very explicit what about the verse that says Jesus is the image of the invisible God
Jesus is the eternal existing God. Praise the triune God.
@@variologies Yeah, you seem to have a problem taking things literally
John writes:
1 john 1:1 "... which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon,
and our hands have handled..."
Most people would - hear, see, and handle a "person" not a "plan"
But because John adds "That which was from the beginning, ..." and "...of the Word of life;"
then YOU have to say "the word is not a literal person but refers to God's plan for eternal life"
@@timothys4864 Dude, it's getting old, do you have any constructive input here?
You use a lot of meaningless words In your attempt to conceal the scriptures.
What master-mangle job do you perform on John 17:5?
www.biblicalunitarian.com/verses/john-17-5
@@gizanime782 I followed your link and I read the article. Of course, the Trinity doctrine is bogus. In fact, it's downright silly. And, of course so is your Unitarian doctrine. If Jesus did not exist as an individual before the world was, then why would he want to be restored to that oblivious condition of NON-EXISTENCE??
@@wickandvessel6346 I don’t believe in the Trinity doctrine. I’m not sure why people do t think Jesus pre-existed in heaven. The Bible is clear on that.
John 6:38 for I have come down from heaven to do, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me.
I agree that John 1:1-5 is not about Jesus, but God himself.
How do you guys to the Jews? Ie do you follow old testament biblical law? And observe the Sabbath as being on Saturday?
Very thought provoking talk.
This is very good.
You are so very close to the whole truth. If you want to find out more try the Sabbathcovenant.com website. The story of redemption lies in the Heavenly Scroll that was created on day 4 of creation. It is literally written in the stars! One God telling the story of His first begotten son of the resurrection, fully human but resurrected eternal as we may be some day!
I'm currently checking out that site now since I am Torah observant and consider myself Messianic. I just don't know why they say Jesus had sin. Maybe metaphorically our sins were transferred to him, but I will read more on it. I know the high priest pronounced sin to the sacrifice and John the Baptist was of the levitical priesthood line and he put his hand on Jesus during the baptism and that could be when our sin was considered his
Exactly, and just like we won't be God when we have been given eternal life, neither was Jesus.
If in Christ there is an abolishing if the divide of Jews and Gentile, Gentile also means "heathen". Why do you call yourself Gentile?
Thank you for your question. The word "Gentile" can mean "heathen" or "pagan" but it also simply means "nation" or "person from the nations other than Israel." I'm not Jewish, so that makes me a Gentile; albeit, a Gentile who is now a part of the kingdom of God! :)
And the word was God.
I suggest you read John 1:1 in koine Greek. Seems that you forgot to reference Revelation 19:13. Remember, just you said, scripture interprets scripture
Jesus is the eternal existing God. Praise the triune God.