I really did think we'd see something along the lines of range being nerfed or survivability being toned down. I posted this game because it's such a normally rough cruiser experience, Ocean with multiple DDs and a CV. Nevsky does not care. Stream: www.twitch.tv/flamuu Insta: instagram.com/flamugram/ Twitter: twitter.com/flamuchz Discord: discord.gg/Flamu
Have you asked WG about why they are alienating some of their oldest players? Like I have been playing since the game went live, but have stopped by the end of February because I just can't take it anymore. I really want to enjoy the game, I want them to actually learn from their mistakes for once, is that too much to ask?
I think 2.05 is the sigma value all cruisers have so they want to standardise it. Still I was thinking maybe the guns will be toned down a bit by the means of reload or range nerf
Oh yes, have you seen the dmg numbers? 20k on average with the main guns?! Thats WAY overperfroming! This ship is op af! And have you ever seen the shere power of the secondaries?! 40k dmg?! 40 FUCKING K DMG?! NO! THATS OP AND IT SHOULD BE NERFED NOW! 1 7.62MM MAIN GUN, NO SECONDARIES, 0 ARMOR, 20MM OF CIDATEL ARMOR, -2 KNOTS MAX SPEED, NO MORE TORPS, 1 HP, -5000 AA DPS (heals the planes)! AND AS A SPECIAL GIMMICK FROM US WG, IF A PLAYER PRESSES THE BATTLE BUTTON THE WHOLE TEAM LOSES AUTOMATICALLY! EVERYONE LOSES 10M SILVER, 10K GOLD, ALL THE FREE EXP AND FLAGS AND ALL OF THEIR SHIPS! Now this ship is balanced. If you cant play it, you cant complain its OP. Wait, no. Still OP. Ah fuck it, if the player buys the Agir it gets his account deleted, his google acc deleted, his PC bricked and permanently banned from the internet (ik u cant do that, but it would be funny). This is WG in a nutshell. Nerfs bad ships and buffs op ships. I mean, what could u possibly expect from a biased company like Wg?
I know you're being sarcastic, but it's more about the meta than individual ships. The game is up to the gills in secondary specialist cruisers, meanwhile you can go days without seeing a long range HE spammer.
Good job. Ägir is getting a nerf now on PTS forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/134189-st-changes-to-test-ships/?fbclid=IwAR1jda462pMIlgNzXF_DDvRP-F4fUI6R29n-sl0USl-13p5Wp1wL5zgrP5E
@@TheCouchpotato00 lmao the Agir will be just a worse Alaska. The secondaries will be fucking useless and the guns... meh. The accuracy buff is huge tho, from 1.8 sigma to 2.05. Idk why 2.05, but oh boi the accuracy is finally getting a buff
Haha what do you mean, it's not like there's 12km radars or CV planes that can spot you anywhere while you can't even torp anything. Imagine that. ^ Sarcasm
If your playing the games like this for graphics,vehicle models you probably need to go play WT but you won't cause WoWs seems like a better choice for gameplay as well as grind but yes WT beats WG games in terms of graphics but in gameplay,grind WG is little bit better.
you mean the art department. Graphics stayed the same for a very long while, and so is the way they produce graphics when art dept. has something coming out.
Basically, wargaming saw that the Smolensk still had the potential to die despite smoke hydro and heal, so they wanted to make sure the next Russian cruiser couldn’t lose
Oh yeah just show a flat broadside in the Smolenks and watch all the AP come the other side as overpens. Balans comrade. It rly needs like 50mm of citadel armor so AP can arm and blap that fucking thing
In WW2 if a light cruiser 1 vs 1 a yamato, they will run away. Saying "This time I will just farm this yamato" and "He is such a big target and easy to farm" is unthinkable
@@Arisudev Yeah it's kinda ridiculous to be honest.. "Planes? I just activate DFAA and priority sector. I'll take one hit but he won't be back." "DDs? My concealment is so good I can pretty much radar anything spotting me." "BBs? Hah, funny you. I farm them of course!" "Cruisers? The AP on this ship is no joke, especially when combined with the accuracy!" Though the last one is kinda meh, this ship just laughs at anything else. This sort of crap is what made me rage-uninstall wows last week.
@@Jognt you do realize the Nevsky can not stealth radar. It has 12.7km minium detection. The ap does not have an improved pen angle and angling is very effective against them. It is pretty tough but is still venerable to 429mm+BB. It has a venerable broadside and is not very maneuverable. It' not like it can when gunfights against Des Moines with it's significantly lower DPM.
They know, THEY FUCKING KNOW the communities opinions on these new ships. This game has to have one of the largest amount of active test users giving feedback on all of these ships
Three years from now, whilst watching Flamu, “Hello hello, it’s amazing how they got the modern Kutuzov aircraft carrier, complete with MIGs into tier 6, I’m not sure that it’s Russian bias, as it’s not too much of a step up from the Typhoon missile subs released last summer...”
More like "Hello hello everyone, today, we will be featuring the Kirov, a Kirov class missile cruiser, a new t5 russian DD. It gets as usual 50 anti surface missiles, only 20 helicopters and it has only 100k HP. Looks pretty bad tbh"
The Agir and Nevski are equal. But the Nevski is more equal. Thats the WG logik. Every nation is equal, except the russians. They are more equal, so they get more equal balans
They can shove their spreadsheet where the sun don't shine. That's why I deleted this "game" so they don't get another dime. World of Warships: It's Almost Fun.
WG: *Gets mediocre feedback about a German ship* "This ship is so OP. It needs significant nerfs for other ships to compare." WG: *Gets good feedback about a German ship* "*GASP* How dare they enjoy a German ship?! NERF BEYON BELIEF!" WG: *Gets mediocre feedback about a Russian ship* "*GASP* How dare they not enjoy a Russian ship?! BUFF BEYOND BELIEF!" WG: *Gets good feedback about a Russian ship* "This ship is not even competitive. It needs significant buffs to be able to compare to other ships."
Because they know German ships are always more popular than Soviet ships if they are balanced simply due to history, sentiment, things like that. Therefore the only way to make sure people play a variety of ships is to have low popularity ships more powerful
The Russians are just jealous that other nations have good navy, even the Italians and the Swedes. So they decide to make their navy god tier in their game as a compensation
Flamu vs. Yuro games need to be a continuing series on this channel, your fights are so memetastic and fun to watch, even if the ships themselves are broken.
@@feanorn8409 I think flamu has become big enough that people would still watch him even if he didn't have the ships before everyone else, so it might even be good decision to say F U wargaming and leave the CC program to be able to give honest opinion about ships.
I can literally hear the sadness in his voice that he can’t call WG out on their bullshit anymore. Every self respecting CC should leave the CC program if WG is gonna censor then
I suppose I can buy the physics behind that argument because the shell velocities are so different, but yeah. I don't think the amazing pen on russian ships is justified in this game's context.
Bryan Jonsson 203mm Super Heavy AP Shells loose to 180mm shells at EVERY range because it can go faster , even at close range is just plain bias , not physic here
@@CeesaX the physics aren't on it's side in the least. The super heavy MK21 203mm shell was the best cruiser caliber shell ever designed and used barring battlecruisers and ships like Graf Spee and Alaska. It outperformed all contemporaries at the relatively short range of 10,000 yards by a margin at it's smallest of half an inch and at it's widest margin over 2.5 inches. At longer ranges the difference became rather more apparent. At 20,000 yards it's penetration was 6in of face hardened steel armor. The next best was the Admiral Hipper class's SK C/34 gun at just over 3.9 inches at a lesser range of 18,300 yards. British and Japanese cruiser caliber guns simply failed to compare to German and American counterparts due to poor construction materials and practices on the Japanese part and simply being outdated on the British side of things. For a 180mm shell to outperform the MK27 203mm it would require equal or superior quality and rigidity of the materials used in the shell (not a chance in hell the Soviets would match the US in this, only the Germans came close in WW2 and into the 50s), equal or superior shell design (second verse same as the first), and a striking velocity of at least 3000fps. The Soviets did indeed produce a 180mm gun that could launch a shell up to a speed of 3000fps, the only gun of this caliber they ever made in fact. By all accounts it was a less than satisfactory weapon having abhorrent dispersion in naval use and having overall poor performance. The Soviets nor any other major power ever produced a gun smaller or equal to 203mm that outperformed the American MK16 8"/55 gun firing a MK27 shell. The notion that the Soviets ever did or ever could around the WW2-early postwar era is not only laughable it shows just how biased and/or delusional WG truly is.
Can we take a moment to appreciate how WG replaced a ship that didn’t fit the Soviet CL playstyle with a ship that doesn’t fit the Soviet CL playstyle. 🎉🎉👌👌👏👏
@@elmateo77 True, they put up all these nonsens fantasy fleet in The game? Just fucking up the balance of the game. I myself have cut down from reglar 20-30h weekly paying it down to 3-5h.. Dd loves matter as flambass says. Enjoying warthunder simulator battles far more nowdays. 🙂
Flamu : oh shit Yamato and edin targeting me i only have decent health left Shima : hey bro have this smoke Flamu : thanks thats the team work Later Shima : oh, khaba and cv targeting me Flamu : well no one will mess with you shima, I'm here
when the sentence "Edinburgh really doesnt wanna fight this cruiser" and said cruiser is neither a Supercruiser or a post war next gen cruiser lik a desmoin then you know that History has left the builiding
I mean, not really. The Edinburg doesnt really want to fight ANY tier 8 cruiser, much less any of their tier Xs. The Nevsky is pretty busted, but the Edinburg is not a good metric to evaluate whether a ship is weak or strong.
You have a weak broadside? - No problem, above average camo for these huge ships. You have no bonus heal or increased healing rates like minotaur? - No problem, you can´t be overmatch due to a 50mm plate (only good player will know and shoot correctly but it will be still harder to hit the citadel!!) You have no friends to cover your flanks or help you against a CV - No problem, 12km Radar + good camo, VERY good AA (high range) Sometimes you ll eat a torp? - No problem, you got 19% torp reduction (to be honest, thats average, but its still exists even if you have the listed and upcoming pros) You have no overmatchcaliber guns and you struggle hiting things on low range due to slow shells? - No problem, you got improved APs pen values (makes it easier to penetrate your target), HIGH penetration and velocitys + low fuse time. Your turret traverse isn´t that fast? - No problem, play the petro and its 360° turrets. Most cruiser have a weak armor belt and therefore, they take sometimes citadels even in "better" angles (no overmatch, just weak armor) - No problem, you have over 300mm armor under your turrets and overall 180mm belt ! (Petro) 180mm for the Nevsky, no further armor You hate HE spamers, you suffered from a weak deckarmor ? You fear of the HE-buff, that you can easily penetrated by these rats? - No problem, you have a 50mm deck armor and you are literaly immun against every HE shell under a caliber of 230mm (with IFHE) + flat super structure * You are also immun to overmatch, no caliber can overmatch your deck, it will reduces the amount of random citadels! You don´t want to miss anything of the battle, you hate being slow and low-ranged? - No problem, you got above average range and speed! BUY NOW!!! Whenever you consider pros and cons, you should rate them with points. So is a good camo much more worth than a good turret traverse. I m unsure wether i m counting right on this point but this should be only an example, my point is: When i look on these WIP russian balanz ships, i see pros which were so much more worthy than every other cruiser has especialy if you compare it to the cons. And this leads me to the following, that the russian ships got by fare the best pros and therefore the best advantages above all other cruisers.
@@guvyygvuhh298 probably, as german CVs are on the horizon as well. But that doesn't change the fact, that the germans at least had some stuff drawn on a handkerchief... I don't know, if you can say the same for the Russians
@@illyrocks1783 The Germans had a (quite workable, for a first design) carrier afloat, at least, even if it hadn't been commissioned. The Soviets had numerous plans - they even started production of the Izmail. The rest was mostly plans - Project 71, 72, Project Kostromitinov, and Project 85, plus a number of others, before they finally built the Moskva class. NOw we're getting to the Kiev class in timeline, though, and no longer in the scope of WoWS. So, they have real basis for carriers, if they want to add them.
The fight with the nose in DM starting @ 8:21 - Even with IFHE on that ship, I noticed that by the end of that fight you had 28 pens and 13 shatters, meaning that 31% (aka just under 1/3 of all your HE shells) onto that DM were shatters and you gave up 50% of your fire chance by going IFHE build... That kind of performance didn't look "over-tuned" to me at all for Tier 10, especially with how little damage each volley onto that DM was doing.. It was like death by 1000 cuts, so that ship doesn't seem OP to me at all especially when it gets put into the hands of the average player. It's also worth noting that some of your shots into that close range Khabarovsk were literally only doing 413 damage on a DD... and you were in a Tier 10 CA... 413 damage with a 7" Russian IFHE rail gun is pitiful not OP...
With regards to the Shikishima, it wouldn’t be the first time that such bugs occurred. For example, for some reason the main battery guns on the Tirpitz are substantially less accurate and reliable when compared to the Bismarck. The Bismarck’s main guns just seem to hit more often than the Tirpitz, in spite of the fact that they *should* be exactly the same.
I dont have the Bismarck yet only on the Gena but i have both versions of the Tirpitz, one with the gun mod for dispersion and one without and i can tell you right now the both are exactly the same with bad dispersion regardless of the mod you equip with it. Been saying this for ages that even with this latest German buff it did nothing i still missed from 10km on a broadside BB shells going out like a sawed off shotgun from the turret. We all know Soviet ships are the only way to go and play.
The sigma changes is a buff, but I think in this case it was not meant as such, but only to correct an oversight. AFAIK all t10 cruisers have 2.05 sigma, so this would just bring Nevsky in line. That said, I think her damage output is not too over the top (mabye a slight reload nerf would be needed). Stealth and maneuverability are also nothing to write home about (roughly Hindenburg level). The biggest problem I see is that she seems to have great survivability paired with those incredible ballistics which means she can dish out damage from ranges where most ships struggle to hit her back. And they hit, they even need a bit of luck to get proper damage.
but I was reading a comment on Reddit which pointed out there are some ships with some of their stats that are better than the Nevsky, for example, there are Destroyers with better torpedos and battleships with better range. so I can understand how the buffs were necessary.
Hey Flamu do you think they might consider putting Kutuzov in the premium shop? while its still probably a strong ship, i dont think its op anymore with all the new ships
Slava: Straight up busted Kremlin: Overpowered Petropavlovsk: Overpowered Smolensk: Overpowered Al. Nevsky: Extremely good Stalingrad: Extremely good War Gaming: "these ships are working as intended"
@@Gulaschiltis When Khaba came out it was OP AF but was slowly powercrept. Moskva was always decent. Not excellent but certainly not weak. There are no weak Russian T10 ships
It's kinda baffling how Flamu, even while streaming, isn't punished with 20ish thousand damage shots. "I assume a bb shoots at me so I just turn away". It's beyond my comprehension how good players can be.
it all essentially comes down to timing + positioning. place yourself in a position where you can shoot at your wanted target and make yourself as small a target as possible to all other ships
In Clan Battles, I saw a lot of Des Moines, Salems and Hindenburgs, can these ships be nerfed so only Moskva and Stalingrad can be played until we get these beautiful, balanced Soviet Cruisers?
It doesn't appear that the end result of this game shows that the ship actually is OP? Appears to be he same as others performance damage wise in you hands Flamu.
WG will keep taking the piss if you continue to enable them. After being with this game since it came out of beta, I've uninstalled because they've thrown WoWS out the window in so many ways with the HE spam, CV's, Power creep and BLATENT Russian bias. The game isnt fun anymore with so much camping and landslide games along with the many flavors of bullshit you can be force fed.
I am very close to Ohio, having ground out 3 tech-tree lines again. However I'm using up all my flags and doubloons to get there really quickly, since I'll be quitting the game soon, due to this blatant small-weener Russian bias (plus German VCs - WTF - and of course the added cancer of submarines to come).
I did quit shortly after CV rework hit and recently I came back for a few weeks and now quited again for the same reasons you mentioned. This game used to be so much fun, even the CVs back then, who were quite powerful weren't even close to the cancer you have to face nowadays... people with no skill at all can dominate you either with their invincible BS CVs, or with their almost untouchable Smolensk and similar BS... Even when not in Smoke that fucking Smolensk is not only hard to hit. because its nimble and small, but it can even bounce Yamato shells, when angled... happend to me several times lol... not to mention it is nigh impossible to citadel that bullshit crapship.... So yea, why play to be frustrated, WG can fuck themselves for ruining one of my favorite games
Good video about the new cruiser in the ocean map and the definition of the sigma buff. But i don´t know if it is only my problem but i really can hear the sound of the canons more than your voice, it´s pretty difficult listen to what you say and usually i listen back in the video to understand. even with that... like!
There's just one question I have - aside from all the discussion of unbalanced ships or not - is why, if the shell velocity is 1km/s, does it take these shells 6-ish seconds to travel 13-ish km?
You didn't say you were enjoying it so of course it got buffed. You have to be enjoying it a lot and having TONS of fun for WG to notice and then nerf it!
Yes, the glorious Soviet Navy, renowned for the ships Vaguely & Unknown! Led by the steely-eyed and conquering Admirals Whozatov and Runawayski. See you at Tsushima boys!!! Hail to the mothereffingland!!!
These things are going to Balance the fcuk out of everything by the look of things, What happened to Mainz did it have a chance against one of these things Flamu? Keep the Salt Flowing 🤘
keep making these commentaries, keep giving your honest opinion, thank you! We appreciate it This is just wrong, plain wrong from bias, WG! Please have some respect for your game
I am hoping that German and British Battlecruisers will be introduced in the future. The German Line: Tier 3: Von der Tann Tier 4: Moltke, Seydlitz Tier 5: Derflinger Tier 6: Mackensen Tier 7 Ersatz-Yorck class The british Line: Tier 3: Invincible, Indefetigable Tier 4: Lion, Queen Mary Tier 5: Tiger Tier 6: Renown Tier 7: Admiral class Maybe someone has some good Ideas how Tier 8-10 should look like?
it sorta becoming a fixed routine that WG buffs a new line to generate interest and then nerf it at a later date. i just pray its the same for Russians.
To give WG the benefit of the doubt, maybe the sigma increase is simply intended to fix an inconsistency? IIRC T IX & X cruisers generally have 2.05 sigma while Nevsky initially had 2.00
![USSR T10 CL Alexander Nevsky [WiP] - First Impressions](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/NFjshexbxgc/mqdefault.jpg)
![USSR T10 CL Alexander Nevsky [WiP] - First Impressions](/img/tr.png)
I really did think we'd see something along the lines of range being nerfed or survivability being toned down. I posted this game because it's such a normally rough cruiser experience, Ocean with multiple DDs and a CV. Nevsky does not care.
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how long do you intend to play this shitty game, you will stream some better titles in near future ? Thanks in advance.
Stick to azurlane finboy
Have you asked WG about why they are alienating some of their oldest players? Like I have been playing since the game went live, but have stopped by the end of February because I just can't take it anymore. I really want to enjoy the game, I want them to actually learn from their mistakes for once, is that too much to ask?
I wasn't even aware Ocean was still a cruiser- or anyone, for that matter- experience.
I think 2.05 is the sigma value all cruisers have so they want to standardise it. Still I was thinking maybe the guns will be toned down a bit by the means of reload or range nerf
The real question is why isn't that overperforming monstrosity of a ship, Agir still not being nerfed harder???
ST, german cruiser Agir.
We remove all secondaries and increase dispersion of MBG LMAO
Oh yes, have you seen the dmg numbers? 20k on average with the main guns?! Thats WAY overperfroming! This ship is op af! And have you ever seen the shere power of the secondaries?! 40k dmg?! 40 FUCKING K DMG?! NO! THATS OP AND IT SHOULD BE NERFED NOW! 1 7.62MM MAIN GUN, NO SECONDARIES, 0 ARMOR, 20MM OF CIDATEL ARMOR, -2 KNOTS MAX SPEED, NO MORE TORPS, 1 HP, -5000 AA DPS (heals the planes)! AND AS A SPECIAL GIMMICK FROM US WG, IF A PLAYER PRESSES THE BATTLE BUTTON THE WHOLE TEAM LOSES AUTOMATICALLY! EVERYONE LOSES 10M SILVER, 10K GOLD, ALL THE FREE EXP AND FLAGS AND ALL OF THEIR SHIPS! Now this ship is balanced. If you cant play it, you cant complain its OP. Wait, no. Still OP. Ah fuck it, if the player buys the Agir it gets his account deleted, his google acc deleted, his PC bricked and permanently banned from the internet (ik u cant do that, but it would be funny).
This is WG in a nutshell. Nerfs bad ships and buffs op ships. I mean, what could u possibly expect from a biased company like Wg?
I know you're being sarcastic, but it's more about the meta than individual ships. The game is up to the gills in secondary specialist cruisers, meanwhile you can go days without seeing a long range HE spammer.
Good job. Ägir is getting a nerf now on PTS
forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/134189-st-changes-to-test-ships/?fbclid=IwAR1jda462pMIlgNzXF_DDvRP-F4fUI6R29n-sl0USl-13p5Wp1wL5zgrP5E
@@TheCouchpotato00 lmao the Agir will be just a worse Alaska. The secondaries will be fucking useless and the guns... meh. The accuracy buff is huge tho, from 1.8 sigma to 2.05. Idk why 2.05, but oh boi the accuracy is finally getting a buff
6:22 "So I already know these guys are in serious trouble having pushed this far." The dd was 11km away. This would be comical if it weren't so sad.
Yep. Gunboat DD can't even shoot much farther than that, especially if he wants any chance of hitting anything.
Haha what do you mean, it's not like there's 12km radars or CV planes that can spot you anywhere while you can't even torp anything.
Imagine that.
^ Sarcasm
You know it's bad when the art department is the only reason the game is still enjoyable sometimes
^ x2, but only for those who can afford it... Meh
Honestly, if you're only looking at the graphics and not any gameplay, you know it's time to move on.
If your playing the games like this for graphics,vehicle models you probably need to go play WT but you won't cause WoWs seems like a better choice for gameplay as well as grind but yes WT beats WG games in terms of graphics but in gameplay,grind WG is little bit better.
you mean the art department. Graphics stayed the same for a very long while, and so is the way they produce graphics when art dept. has something coming out.
war thunder has better graphic tbh
Basically, wargaming saw that the Smolensk still had the potential to die despite smoke hydro and heal, so they wanted to make sure the next Russian cruiser couldn’t lose
Oh yeah just show a flat broadside in the Smolenks and watch all the AP come the other side as overpens. Balans comrade. It rly needs like 50mm of citadel armor so AP can arm and blap that fucking thing
lol
In WW2 if a light cruiser 1 vs 1 a yamato, they will run away. Saying "This time I will just farm this yamato" and "He is such a big target and easy to farm" is unthinkable
@@Arisudev Yeah it's kinda ridiculous to be honest..
"Planes? I just activate DFAA and priority sector. I'll take one hit but he won't be back."
"DDs? My concealment is so good I can pretty much radar anything spotting me."
"BBs? Hah, funny you. I farm them of course!"
"Cruisers? The AP on this ship is no joke, especially when combined with the accuracy!"
Though the last one is kinda meh, this ship just laughs at anything else. This sort of crap is what made me rage-uninstall wows last week.
@@Jognt you do realize the Nevsky can not stealth radar. It has 12.7km minium detection. The ap does not have an improved pen angle and angling is very effective against them. It is pretty tough but is still venerable to 429mm+BB. It has a venerable broadside and is not very maneuverable. It' not like it can when gunfights against Des Moines with it's significantly lower DPM.
Ok, this has to be intentional. They are laughing at us, openly.
Definitely. "You think Kremlin is Russian bias. WE'LL SHOW YOU RUSSIAN BIAS. Peasants.:"
They know, THEY FUCKING KNOW the communities opinions on these new ships. This game has to have one of the largest amount of active test users giving feedback on all of these ships
that honestly makes a lot of sense
I'm glad to see more people finnaly getting it....good for you!
you know how tired wargaming is of millennials complaining about russian bias all the time like little snowflakes, wg had enough!
Three years from now, whilst watching Flamu,
“Hello hello, it’s amazing how they got the modern Kutuzov aircraft carrier, complete with MIGs into tier 6, I’m not sure that it’s Russian bias, as it’s not too much of a step up from the Typhoon missile subs released last summer...”
More like
"Hello hello everyone, today, we will be featuring the Kirov, a Kirov class missile cruiser, a new t5 russian DD. It gets as usual 50 anti surface missiles, only 20 helicopters and it has only 100k HP. Looks pretty bad tbh"
Easy explanation: Komrad spreadsheet said, ship need more balans.
The Agir and Nevski are equal. But the Nevski is more equal. Thats the WG logik. Every nation is equal, except the russians. They are more equal, so they get more equal balans
@@guvyygvuhh298 Orwell would be proud!
Who is that Guy? Is he the main WG Supertester?
"All of these ships are equal but some are more equal than others" George Orwell
They can shove their spreadsheet where the sun don't shine. That's why I deleted this "game" so they don't get another dime. World of Warships: It's Almost Fun.
The largest suprise in here is that the Ocean map still exists
Ofc it learns how to play as a ship not like an artillery camping behind cover
Wg: but... but... ITS HISTORICALLY ACCURATE JUST LIKE ALL OF UR SHIPS BLYAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!!!!!1!!!!1!!!!!!
I rather play oceans. no camping scrubs and max rangr sniping BBs but would be interesting if ocean is the biggest map in game as it should be
@@guvyygvuhh298 true true
@@Arengeesus or with short waters unlike deep sea and some rocks not islands and mountains
Flamu giving us another reminder of why WG is going to stop letting CCs comment on WIP ships.
Wg knows there is no such thing as bad publicity. For everyone that quits playing over this, another whale is paying to free xp this monstrosity.
WG: *Gets mediocre feedback about a German ship* "This ship is so OP. It needs significant nerfs for other ships to compare."
WG: *Gets good feedback about a German ship* "*GASP* How dare they enjoy a German ship?! NERF BEYON BELIEF!"
WG: *Gets mediocre feedback about a Russian ship* "*GASP* How dare they not enjoy a Russian ship?! BUFF BEYOND BELIEF!"
WG: *Gets good feedback about a Russian ship* "This ship is not even competitive. It needs significant buffs to be able to compare to other ships."
*compete with other russian ships
that sounds normal for WG
Because they know German ships are always more popular than Soviet ships if they are balanced simply due to history, sentiment, things like that. Therefore the only way to make sure people play a variety of ships is to have low popularity ships more powerful
@@kevin131313c German ships are more popular because they were real ships... 3/4 of the Russian ships in WoWs only ever existed in blueprints
*accuracy 100
incoming new CC changes: CC can not longer slander the wisdom of our balans team. Comrade Spreadsheet knows Soviet is best navy ww2.
Even tho everyone knows the soviets never had an actual fleet lmao.
The Russians are just jealous that other nations have good navy, even the Italians and the Swedes. So they decide to make their navy god tier in their game as a compensation
Nope the changes come after these Soviet ships and its because you people treat these WIP ships as if they have been released.
😂😂😂
ilikeredheads stop being toxic in the comments it’s unnecessary
Flamu vs. Yuro games need to be a continuing series on this channel, your fights are so memetastic and fun to watch, even if the ships themselves are broken.
Last time you played against Yuro, a ship got nerfed....
... Here I am watching with hope....
I think we all know the answer
edit: This is the least energetic Flamu I have ever heard and sadly it's appropriate
@@feanorn8409 I think flamu has become big enough that people would still watch him even if he didn't have the ships before everyone else, so it might even be good decision to say F U wargaming and leave the CC program to be able to give honest opinion about ships.
I can literally hear the sadness in his voice that he can’t call WG out on their bullshit anymore. Every self respecting CC should leave the CC program if WG is gonna censor then
*_Alexander Nevsky [WiP] - Why Is It Being Buffed?_*
_Pleased Stalin noises_
"Why is it being buffed?"
Are you questioning WG's decisions?
WG: "Off to Gulag"
Balans
U shall not nerf!
ME262MKI stop being toxic in the comments
So the “Light Cruiser has better AP pen then a DM... Well done WG
I suppose I can buy the physics behind that argument because the shell velocities are so different, but yeah. I don't think the amazing pen on russian ships is justified in this game's context.
Bryan Jonsson 203mm Super Heavy AP Shells loose to 180mm shells at EVERY range because it can go faster , even at close range is just plain bias , not physic here
@@CeesaX the physics aren't on it's side in the least. The super heavy MK21 203mm shell was the best cruiser caliber shell ever designed and used barring battlecruisers and ships like Graf Spee and Alaska. It outperformed all contemporaries at the relatively short range of 10,000 yards by a margin at it's smallest of half an inch and at it's widest margin over 2.5 inches. At longer ranges the difference became rather more apparent. At 20,000 yards it's penetration was 6in of face hardened steel armor. The next best was the Admiral Hipper class's SK C/34 gun at just over 3.9 inches at a lesser range of 18,300 yards. British and Japanese cruiser caliber guns simply failed to compare to German and American counterparts due to poor construction materials and practices on the Japanese part and simply being outdated on the British side of things. For a 180mm shell to outperform the MK27 203mm it would require equal or superior quality and rigidity of the materials used in the shell (not a chance in hell the Soviets would match the US in this, only the Germans came close in WW2 and into the 50s), equal or superior shell design (second verse same as the first), and a striking velocity of at least 3000fps. The Soviets did indeed produce a 180mm gun that could launch a shell up to a speed of 3000fps, the only gun of this caliber they ever made in fact. By all accounts it was a less than satisfactory weapon having abhorrent dispersion in naval use and having overall poor performance. The Soviets nor any other major power ever produced a gun smaller or equal to 203mm that outperformed the American MK16 8"/55 gun firing a MK27 shell. The notion that the Soviets ever did or ever could around the WW2-early postwar era is not only laughable it shows just how biased and/or delusional WG truly is.
oddest thing was seeing OCEAN map
I say it's realistic to fight in open water, should've add some rogue waves though...
@@bakaweiner6956 yeah indeed all map are like vacation trips
Can we take a moment to appreciate how WG replaced a ship that didn’t fit the Soviet CL playstyle with a ship that doesn’t fit the Soviet CL playstyle. 🎉🎉👌👌👏👏
Fuck wg
Well, in fairness it fits is a bit better than Moskva does. But I concede your point.
@@CeesaX At least Moskva was balanced unlike this piece of shit. :(
*WG watching flamu play the Ägir*
WG: would be a real shame if something happens to it...... a real shame.....
S H A M E
Hehe flamu sounds more and more tired when reviewing russian ships.
@@elmateo77 True, they put up all these nonsens fantasy fleet in The game? Just fucking up the balance of the game. I myself have cut down from reglar 20-30h weekly paying it down to 3-5h.. Dd loves matter as flambass says. Enjoying warthunder simulator battles far more nowdays. 🙂
Flamu : oh shit Yamato and edin targeting me i only have decent health left
Shima : hey bro have this smoke
Flamu : thanks thats the team work
Later
Shima : oh, khaba and cv targeting me
Flamu : well no one will mess with you shima, I'm here
We all should have seen this coming from miles away. Petro will get a buff soon too, don’t worry comrades
Cant wait to see a Kremlin armor buff, 100m instead of 60
Guvyyg Vuhh won’t be surprised
Love the vidoes, Flamu! Stay safe and healthy!
Flamu talking sad things about how bad Ocean is for cruisers
Me, still looking at Yuro: "HUUUUUUUH"
Let’s be honest we all knew this was going to happen
when the sentence "Edinburgh really doesnt wanna fight this cruiser" and said cruiser is neither a Supercruiser or a post war next gen cruiser lik a desmoin then you know that History has left the builiding
I mean, not really. The Edinburg doesnt really want to fight ANY tier 8 cruiser, much less any of their tier Xs. The Nevsky is pretty busted, but the Edinburg is not a good metric to evaluate whether a ship is weak or strong.
@@captaintomato5433 seems like you acidentally didnt read the word "History"
You have a weak broadside?
- No problem, above average camo for these huge ships.
You have no bonus heal or increased healing rates like minotaur?
- No problem, you can´t be overmatch due to a 50mm plate (only good player will know and shoot correctly but it will be still harder to hit the citadel!!)
You have no friends to cover your flanks or help you against a CV
- No problem, 12km Radar + good camo, VERY good AA (high range)
Sometimes you ll eat a torp?
- No problem, you got 19% torp reduction (to be honest, thats average, but its still exists even if you have the listed and upcoming pros)
You have no overmatchcaliber guns and you struggle hiting things on low range due to slow shells?
- No problem, you got improved APs pen values (makes it easier to penetrate your target), HIGH penetration and velocitys + low fuse time.
Your turret traverse isn´t that fast?
- No problem, play the petro and its 360° turrets.
Most cruiser have a weak armor belt and therefore, they take sometimes citadels even in "better" angles (no overmatch, just weak armor)
- No problem, you have over 300mm armor under your turrets and overall 180mm belt ! (Petro) 180mm for the Nevsky, no further armor
You hate HE spamers, you suffered from a weak deckarmor ? You fear of the HE-buff, that you can easily penetrated by these rats?
- No problem, you have a 50mm deck armor and you are literaly immun against every HE shell under a caliber of 230mm (with IFHE) + flat super structure
* You are also immun to overmatch, no caliber can overmatch your deck, it will reduces the amount of random citadels!
You don´t want to miss anything of the battle, you hate being slow and low-ranged?
- No problem, you got above average range and speed!
BUY NOW!!!
Whenever you consider pros and cons, you should rate them with points.
So is a good camo much more worth than a good turret traverse. I m
unsure wether i m counting right on this point but this should be only
an example, my point is: When i look on these WIP russian balanz ships, i
see pros which were so much more worthy than every other cruiser has
especialy if you compare it to the cons. And this leads me to the
following, that the russian ships got by fare the best pros and
therefore the best advantages above all other cruisers.
Oh shit the "weegee BS detector" goes off again!
wow, nobody see that coming… NO-BO-DY...
The fact that you easily did well on Ocean in a LIGHT CRUISER should prove just how monstrous this ship is
The answer:
Balans comrade. Balans.
with ships such as this being buffed, it makes me look at older cruisers such as zao who has been powercrept quite badly.
The Zao is hands down one of my favorite ships to play, but it's getting harder and harder to have as large an impact on the battle as it used to.
Well played, Flamu and awesome team play.....
The meme that is the soviet tech tree is, will only be complete once we get introduced to Soviet CV's.
Wonder, where they will get the blueprints from, when there are none.
@@illyrocks1783 wg is very well known for making things up, dont worry comrade, ruski CVs are coming!
@@guvyygvuhh298 probably, as german CVs are on the horizon as well. But that doesn't change the fact, that the germans at least had some stuff drawn on a handkerchief... I don't know, if you can say the same for the Russians
Illyrocks dont worry they will just take the one modern day CV russia has, because its only fair if the russians get jet planes
@@illyrocks1783 The Germans had a (quite workable, for a first design) carrier afloat, at least, even if it hadn't been commissioned. The Soviets had numerous plans - they even started production of the Izmail. The rest was mostly plans - Project 71, 72, Project Kostromitinov, and Project 85, plus a number of others, before they finally built the Moskva class. NOw we're getting to the Kiev class in timeline, though, and no longer in the scope of WoWS. So, they have real basis for carriers, if they want to add them.
You know the answer, and so do I
Bottom line:
WG: My soviet yunyun has no pathetic ship´s flolo only the almighty exod .... al nevsky!
Flolo: AHH IMPOSSIBRU!
Still hoping for those commonwealth lines. Also Italian. More Op Russians were not on my radar.
Dont worry. More are coming. Tons of Paper BBs aswell. Shit tons. USSR will have more T5 Battleships than there are T5 cruisers in the game.
Because the UK heavy-cruiser line fills you with such optimism and hope?
Don't worry you're on their radar, because all the Russian cruisers have it now.
Great channel Flamu, obviously, it’s the “buff is...fuck all” that tickles us Ozzie’s pink. Love ya shit mate.
And now let's go hunting to Reddit so see if someone defends this ship
"But, But, Belfast and Missouri are OP and you guys aren't complaining about that" - Sub Octavian 2020
when we memed bigensk but then they made it a real thing
Bold of you to assume this is the biggest ensk there is, comrade
@@kagakai7729 that's largensk, for another day
@@farlandduck4463 Then when the Largensk arrives, next will be the Balansk
@@Nutty31313 Meanwhile the World of Tanks map Ensk remains too small to be enjoyable at high tiers.
Next change: Give it smoke ....
Yuro was in that Yamato :D
The fight with the nose in DM starting @ 8:21 - Even with IFHE on that ship, I noticed that by the end of that fight you had 28 pens and 13 shatters, meaning that 31% (aka just under 1/3 of all your HE shells) onto that DM were shatters and you gave up 50% of your fire chance by going IFHE build... That kind of performance didn't look "over-tuned" to me at all for Tier 10, especially with how little damage each volley onto that DM was doing.. It was like death by 1000 cuts, so that ship doesn't seem OP to me at all especially when it gets put into the hands of the average player. It's also worth noting that some of your shots into that close range Khabarovsk were literally only doing 413 damage on a DD... and you were in a Tier 10 CA... 413 damage with a 7" Russian IFHE rail gun is pitiful not OP...
ooooh I can't wait to play the Nevsky along with everyone else playing the Nevsky along with the odd Kremlin and for those who have it, the Smolensk
what is your opinion on the moskva perma camo change?
With regards to the Shikishima, it wouldn’t be the first time that such bugs occurred. For example, for some reason the main battery guns on the Tirpitz are substantially less accurate and reliable when compared to the Bismarck. The Bismarck’s main guns just seem to hit more often than the Tirpitz, in spite of the fact that they *should* be exactly the same.
I dont have the Bismarck yet only on the Gena but i have both versions of the Tirpitz, one with the gun mod for dispersion and one without and i can tell you right now the both are exactly the same with bad dispersion regardless of the mod you equip with it. Been saying this for ages that even with this latest German buff it did nothing i still missed from 10km on a broadside BB shells going out like a sawed off shotgun from the turret. We all know Soviet ships are the only way to go and play.
You'd think the Soviet navy would be more renowned with how shit hot it obviously was based on all these ships.
12:30 Yuro wants his revange lol I think he didnt forgot that Meme-Boi kill....
But got balans instead...
@@sigmawarrior.fokeryou Goliath has 16.5, big lol
Haven’t even watched it yet just say the thumbnail and laughed my ass off way to go WG
Because its not biased enough
War gaming is just paying homage to the incredible power of the Soviet navy
They don't even try to hide it anymore lol
I'm really happy that I kinda stopped playing this game so that I don't have to deal with this bs
Next they'll give it a spood beast
The sigma changes is a buff, but I think in this case it was not meant as such, but only to correct an oversight. AFAIK all t10 cruisers have 2.05 sigma, so this would just bring Nevsky in line. That said, I think her damage output is not too over the top (mabye a slight reload nerf would be needed). Stealth and maneuverability are also nothing to write home about (roughly Hindenburg level). The biggest problem I see is that she seems to have great survivability paired with those incredible ballistics which means she can dish out damage from ranges where most ships struggle to hit her back. And they hit, they even need a bit of luck to get proper damage.
"All of these ships are equal but some are more equal than others" George Orwell
Siri Play Electric Boogaloo
but I was reading a comment on Reddit which pointed out there are some ships with some of their stats that are better than the Nevsky, for example, there are Destroyers with better torpedos and battleships with better range. so I can understand how the buffs were necessary.
Hey Flamu do you think they might consider putting Kutuzov in the premium shop? while its still probably a strong ship, i dont think its op anymore with all the new ships
Flamu, thoughts on shooting cruiser AP at destroyers, esp. the thicc ones and khaba,?
Also, i'd seriously like to know some points that justify Ägir being nerfed
Should have put a salvo into that khab at 13:30 just to reset him real quick not that it mattered in the end but it would have been the smart play
More buffs = more balans
Slava: Straight up busted
Kremlin: Overpowered
Petropavlovsk: Overpowered
Smolensk: Overpowered
Al. Nevsky: Extremely good
Stalingrad: Extremely good
War Gaming: "these ships are working as intended"
the only russian ships sucking or being okish, are DDs. Because WG is obviously as biased towards russian ships, as it is against DDs
@@Gulaschiltis When Khaba came out it was OP AF but was slowly powercrept.
Moskva was always decent. Not excellent but certainly not weak. There are no weak Russian T10 ships
At this point wargaming should just add Kamchatka as T11 Super cruiser that become a trouble to your team just by existing
excuse me, how can you bug shooting itself? Sure, desync and server issues, engine not handling shooting at grounded ships, but straight up shooting?
Bikoz Russan, Komrade!
It's kinda baffling how Flamu, even while streaming, isn't punished with 20ish thousand damage shots. "I assume a bb shoots at me so I just turn away". It's beyond my comprehension how good players can be.
it all essentially comes down to timing + positioning. place yourself in a position where you can shoot at your wanted target and make yourself as small a target as possible to all other ships
Bussian Rias
Ocean map should be set to pop up 50% of the time. *Note I haven't played wows in 2yrs, just watching lol
In Clan Battles, I saw a lot of Des Moines, Salems and Hindenburgs, can these ships be nerfed so only Moskva and Stalingrad can be played until we get these beautiful, balanced Soviet Cruisers?
It doesn't appear that the end result of this game shows that the ship actually is OP? Appears to be he same as others performance damage wise in you hands Flamu.
I imagine the buff is more to be consistent with the other T9/10 cruisers that also mostly have 2.05 sigma.
almost never see this ship in game, despite all the talks about "op" of yhis ship.
The only thing that prevents all-soviet lineups in competitive play now is the lack of USSR CVs
9:20 That was an SE Des Moines, my friends...
lots of people during king of the seas used SE too, there isnt much else to take on a DM after concealment and superint
WG will keep taking the piss if you continue to enable them. After being with this game since it came out of beta, I've uninstalled because they've thrown WoWS out the window in so many ways with the HE spam, CV's, Power creep and BLATENT Russian bias. The game isnt fun anymore with so much camping and landslide games along with the many flavors of bullshit you can be force fed.
I am very close to Ohio, having ground out 3 tech-tree lines again. However I'm using up all my flags and doubloons to get there really quickly, since I'll be quitting the game soon, due to this blatant small-weener Russian bias (plus German VCs - WTF - and of course the added cancer of submarines to come).
@@EvoraGT430 I also forgot to mention the aim bug that still hasnt been fixed for months now
I did quit shortly after CV rework hit and recently I came back for a few weeks and now quited again for the same reasons you mentioned. This game used to be so much fun, even the CVs back then, who were quite powerful weren't even close to the cancer you have to face nowadays... people with no skill at all can dominate you either with their invincible BS CVs, or with their almost untouchable Smolensk and similar BS... Even when not in Smoke that fucking Smolensk is not only hard to hit. because its nimble and small, but it can even bounce Yamato shells, when angled... happend to me several times lol... not to mention it is nigh impossible to citadel that bullshit crapship.... So yea, why play to be frustrated, WG can fuck themselves for ruining one of my favorite games
@@Gulaschiltis It's time to move on. I only look at this game from afar for my own amusement now.
@@C-R-l-M-S-O-N same here^^ it's still a shame tho, really liked this game
To be honest this map just happens to suit this ship well.. Yes it does look very good but now for some close range surprises
really makes me think
Good video about the new cruiser in the ocean map and the definition of the sigma buff. But i don´t know if it is only my problem but i really can hear the sound of the canons more than your voice, it´s pretty difficult listen to what you say and usually i listen back in the video to understand. even with that... like!
Question: Why WG won't make more co-op battles like Narai? Cause in these game mode, it can't show how balanced and great the Soviet ship is!
Why did the Mainz disappear so quickly from the store? Was it too good for a German Cruiser? Did it compete with an upcoming Russian Cruiser?
Why are you all surprised, have not any of you played WOT?
There's just one question I have - aside from all the discussion of unbalanced ships or not - is why, if the shell velocity is 1km/s, does it take these shells 6-ish seconds to travel 13-ish km?
Stalinium bends the space-time continuum... Legit, since those are literally fantasy ships
You didn't say you were enjoying it so of course it got buffed. You have to be enjoying it a lot and having TONS of fun for WG to notice and then nerf it!
Yes, the glorious Soviet Navy, renowned for the ships Vaguely & Unknown! Led by the steely-eyed and conquering Admirals Whozatov and Runawayski. See you at Tsushima boys!!! Hail to the mothereffingland!!!
These things are going to Balance the fcuk out of everything by the look of things, What happened to Mainz did it have a chance against one of these things Flamu?
Keep the Salt Flowing 🤘
keep making these commentaries, keep giving your honest opinion, thank you! We appreciate it
This is just wrong, plain wrong from bias, WG! Please have some respect for your game
I am hoping that German and British Battlecruisers will be introduced in the future.
The German Line:
Tier 3: Von der Tann
Tier 4: Moltke, Seydlitz
Tier 5: Derflinger
Tier 6: Mackensen
Tier 7 Ersatz-Yorck class
The british Line:
Tier 3: Invincible, Indefetigable
Tier 4: Lion, Queen Mary
Tier 5: Tiger
Tier 6: Renown
Tier 7: Admiral class
Maybe someone has some good Ideas how Tier 8-10 should look like?
0.05 Sigma buff. Not bad, Not good.
Baffling = Fl
Flamu code for WTF?
WG just doesn't listen to tester feedbacks.
it sorta becoming a fixed routine that WG buffs a new line to generate interest and then nerf it at a later date. i just pray its the same for Russians.
I doubt it
Last time i was this early russian bias wasn't a thing
so before WG started making games ?
@@Mario-kf3ej Na "just" before the introduction of the russian navy in the game
Omegalul why did yuro keep syncdropping with you?
It's a non-smoke Smolensk with amazing radar.... I already loathe it...
To give WG the benefit of the doubt, maybe the sigma increase is simply intended to fix an inconsistency? IIRC T IX & X cruisers generally have 2.05 sigma while Nevsky initially had 2.00
With this "light cruiser" i hope they will buff Zaos HP. Zao with this armour would also be a fantastic ship but sadly wrong flag :D