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Of course it is light cruiser, tovarish! Look at HMS Incomparable - that was light cruiser too! "Large light cruiser" designed by Lord Jackie Fischer himself to be precise...
The light or heavy designation only cares about gun caliber, so your swinging and missing here Flamu. You're known and loved for your harsh (but fair) criticism, so I'm sure you can take it too ;)
Maybe they learned from some of their interwar Destroyer designs, which had a habit of developing aspirations to join the Soviet Submarine arm if you pushed the ships at anything close to maximum power because they were so lightly built they would literally fucking shake themselves to pieces. Sure, some of those ships *could* reach 40 knots, but not for long!
@@KHETTIUS guess you were taught real nice manners somewhere there after you survived your mom's attempt at aborting you. huh? Nice conversation? Wanna have a go at it? I'm game if you are ;)
And the stalingrad is like a battleship. And the Smolenks is like a rowingboat with CIWS goalkeepers on it. And the Kremlin is a floating fortress with ICBM launchers
To be fare, Moskva was the first super cruiser; and remains a super cruiser. Moskva's replacement is indeed a super cruiser; Stalingrad preliminary design. Meanwhile, Stalingrad and Kronsdadt at also post treaty heavy cruisers. Not battleships like the dude posted beneath you.
The Petropovlovks is a heavy cruiser, the Nevsky is just a heavy cruiser by real world standards that needs IFHE in game. Even WG can't make up their minds about 180mm guns as the Tallinn has them and is considered a heavy cruiser.
Watch Flambass’ most recent upload. He cits a Kremlin at close range 5 times out of 6 shells and ends up with 25 cits in his first game in the Petropavlosk.
I remember flamu ranting the new cruiser lines when wg announced them. It just seems that he got acquainted with the ideea. I just abandoned this pile of junk due to the insane russian bias that it just keeps on receiving. Not to mention that wg are a bunch of scumbags. I can not imagine a product developed by a company that gives no fucking shit about what the consumers of their product say...sad, being in the game since the closed beta. Put all the imaginary russian ships in the game and a lot of historical ones are left out....all for balans. And wait for their first premium russian cv when it will come out. It will break the whole game...cheers lads
@@martinpalmer6203 Atleast another country have some limit to their power French weaknesss is low calliber and healthpool. European only effective Against CV Torp is fast but have low damage even Shimakaze can still beat them in knife fight. they strong but still there someway to counter them meanwhile Nevsky sound like mary sue.: -Radar Stealth to be exact -Speed -50K on CL -Good balistic and shell arc -fire chance -good reload -Range -AA -only downside is turning radius but it doesnt matter if you play from far away if you get closer you can use radar. The idea itself like child imagination "other ship have significance advantage/gimmick so i must have it" even Venezia which they nerf have only 17.1 KM range and max 12.4 km concealment Also AA below 5 KM. and same for petro before Stalin only US have Improve Pen nos Soviet also have improve pen not as good as U.S but atleast they have slow shell speed
"Light" in Light Cruiser refers to guns up to and including 155mm, regardless of armor. So its not exactly CL either with 180mm guns. Though in WoWs terms requires IFHE for 32mm pen, so "CL" it is.
At this point I'm just confused as to what Wargaming's problem is with giving the Russians a t10 CL in the tech tree. First Moskva, now Nevsky are both in the light cruiser line but not actually light cruisers at all. They've proven capable of making Russian T10 CLs with the smolensk… why is it so hard in the tech tree? And doubt it's like there's a "lack of concepts" either, all these ships are basically imaginatory anyways.
@@Barri2410 The only displacement criteria placed on Light Cruisers was the 10,000 tons of the Washington Naval Treaty, the same displacement limit was leveraged on HEAVY cruisers as well. The difference between the two was the main gun armament, NOT the size or displacement of the ship, as the OP correctly pointed out. This is something of an inbetween ship, not a heavy cruiser (guns not large enough), but not a light cruiser as her guns are too large. Displacement of the hull has no bearing on whether a ship is classified as a heavy or light cruiser however. What I want to know is what kinda magic is going on in that turret for such a rate of fire. Most Light Cruisers stuck to around 6 inch guns because that was the maximum size they found through experience could be quickly manhandled and loaded in the confines of the turret. Anything larger than that and you had to move from single piece to multi piece ammunition. It was not until the Des Moines that people worked out how to make a heavy cruiser autoloading system that actually worked (most of the time), and the 7.4 inch guns of this ship DEFINATELY fall into the category of being bitches to handle if the are one piece.
@@alganhar1 These is project 84. sketched in the mid 50s. Never completly designed. It should habe been oprative around 1964. Yet, the turrets, as far the Sketch go, should had yield 9 or 10 seconds reload. Not 6. I don't know why WG choose to give them 6 seconds reload. Probably balance. The ship is not as tanky. At least in these days with at least 4 tier 10 battleships in each game. I think WG thought it will be a glass cannon with that poor concealment.
One thing that I just realized when watching this is just how the messed up the shell travel time in this game is.... the shells on this ship has ~1000m/s muzzle velocity or ~1km/s but the only take ~8 seconds to go 16km... Why on earth have I never noticed that shells actually travel like ~2 times faster than they actually should???
Yeah, as Matthew Zhang said, distances/speeds are weird in this game. First, speeds of ships and torpedoes are about 2.9 times faster than they should be relative to the ship's size (not the true speed). Next, I believe ship sizes are 2 times larger than they should be, and shells are also about 2 times as fast as they should be. This makes hitting targets far easier and faster paced since this is an arcade game. StatsBloke did an interesting video on this: ruclips.net/video/kQwEfaNJu-8/видео.html
@@MrRedRye Yes, but those 2% of hits were Way more devastating than in game. For example shells bounce off of the deck which actually rarely happened irl because no ship had absolutely flat deck except carriers and there was always something to trigger the fuze. Also hits on the superstructure maybe weren't devastating for the vital parts of the ship, but definitely were devastating for the ship's combat capabilities - accuracy, damage control, engine efficiency, spotting abilities etc. Also the crew was vulnerable, which leads to further loses in combat capabilities. Another difference is So called "citadel" hits. Irl citadel hit would mean death to the ship, either by detonating the ammo, or killing the machinery and making the ship big, stationary or slugish target. There's also no list mechanics in game, which also greatly affect combat capabilities. In the end wows has almost nothing to do with real naval combat or reality for that matter besides modeled ships... of course not all of them
These clowns are way worse than the muppets who run World of Tanks. Pay to win and powercreep are the name of the game here. I uninstalled after the carrier rework, and by the looks of this shit, will never reinstall either.
Releasing all of these overpowered, fantasy, Russian-biased ships is completely short-sighted; because players are getting absolutely sick of it. It'll hurt WG in the long run. I hope.
Was a new player for three months before I quit. Realized people hated CVs (my favorite class) and that they were kind of crap anyway. Then realized that compared to most other ships in her class the Atago (my favorite ship) is pretty well gimped. Quit playing after that as they released and were projected to release a shit load of more op crap that I have no interest in playing and that makes my life in the game miserable.
New light cruiser, the only one in the game that outperforms *literally every single other cruiser in the entire game*, and, of course it's Soviet. No bias here!
This is exactly why my friend and I quit WoT... we both thoroughly enjoyed WoWS but lately we are both getting frustrated with stuff like this and the utter HE spam that infests high tier.
MrRedRye agreed. I didn’t mind pre-rework CVs, yeah a good one could dominate the game, but CVs of that caliber were rare. I think the first thing that foreshadowed things to come was when they first gave IJN 100mm the quarter pen.. The fact that the Soviet tech tree will be bigger than the USN tree is unacceptable in my opinion. Especially when it’s filled with Soviet power fantasy ships. If WG wanted to really regain people faith in the game, they should completely remove the Smolensk for full coal refunds regardless of if they used a coupon and actually give the Kremlin a meaningful nerf
@@Sorrowblast well i'm not the one commenting everywhere about Russian ship not being op how about you do something useful in your life for once and not being a dissapointment
Just to make this clear a light cruiser can be heavily armored and still be a light cruiser! Whether a cruiser is heavy or light is defined by its gun caliber nothing else!
I was playing since open beta, played right up until a few months after the CV rework when I finally had enough of their bullshit not fixing their stupid mistakes.
Im looking forward to the game being renamed to World of Russiaship with it's new DLC's Russian Bias Edition. These paper ships are getting beyond ridiculous. Funny that only the Russian ships are overpowered to the extreme. Soon we will ONLY be seeing russian ships being played. Might have to drop the game now. Over WGing's decisions with the Russian BB/Cruiser trees.
Yep, I gues you're right. I play this game since beta and I am proud of fact, that I didn't taint my self by touching this filth. This cheattree is the only one I completely ignored. Even when I got some of this bullshit from containers, I sold it. And when I see ships named after criminals like Lenin, or Sovietskyi Soyuz, I always prioritize them as targets, no matter what. When I see them on team, I always leave them on flank and never help when they call for it. They are not my teamates, they are WG's whores. But I am really sick of it and I almost dont play this comedy anymore. It will end up just like WoT with so many Object xxx (x=add some random number or letter), that they are running out of symbols.
I grinded the Des Moines just to find out that it is irrelevant in the presence of these russian cruisers. This thing is a light cruiser but has better armor, better guns, better overall survivability, better radar. The only thing DM is good at is hugging island but in tier 10 map there are almost no islands to hug. Even if you do an AP bomber just blaps you for 20k damage and you are forced to leave. WG should really buff the DM.
Besides the overall balancing issues every new Russian line brings, I also find it interesting how their ships are ALWAYS the biggest, tankiest and with close to or the biggest guns in their class. They so desperately want to be the big, macho bruisers. Ivan Drago recreated in steel and put afloat. The inferiority complex can be spotted from the moon...
Not to mention they design their ships with features that favour them in game. Like i doubt the 180mm guns existed in real life and i bet that number was made up to allow for that 37mm ifhe pen. Its really stupid, oh yea it has wrose concealment than its tech tree counterpart heavy cruiser? It also has better if not similar concealment to hindy and henri? Like what is actually wrong with them
Stalin wanted Big Gun ships that could take a beating. that is why all the Stalingrad cruisers and all the variations proposed have similar looks and feel. Nevski on the other hand had her main battery made to be AA and shoot down U-2 Spy planes... not that they didn't make the guns work, they just never made barrels that could live up to naval standards.
@@skidaddleaegir 180 mm guns existed. Kirov-class were built after all, and the Adm. Nakimov's were also a thing. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/180mm_Pattern_1931-1933 The super-velocity ones the Nevsky carries though? Those are firing-range queens.
@@eivindhelgetun3254 i see, thanks for correcting me, i do feel however these guns are overperforming in terms of penetration reload rate and accuracy, what are your thoughts?
@@skidaddleaegir Eh, both penetration, reload and muzzle velocities are probably in the ballpark to what these guns allegedly put out in theory, or on the test ranges if they were actually made. But any sane engineers would have realized guns like that would wear out their liners almost immediately in practice and reduced the charges heavily before adoption, hence my firing-range queen jab. Reliability is no concern in WoWs however, which is why WG keep letting paper-ships get away with best-case theoretical stats, unfettered by the constraints of physics and sanity.
Actually the Nevsky has 320mm effective citadel armor since the casemate is armored on both sides (the inside and outside of the ship). You can still get full pens without citadels but cruisers basically can’t citadel it except at point blank ranges.
As light as a russian cruiser gets. This is russian Des Moines, but better. Much better shell velocity, similar gun range, better armor for whatever reason, better conceal and speed and on top of that, the Nevsky gets 600 more HP. And torps. "Light" cruiser. A DM in the russian tech tree would be a DD
Glad to see that you are better. Regarding the "funkiness" of firing, I noticed that too!! To me it seems like, there is a problem with the sync between the host ( server) and the personal terminals....
You mentioned thinking you've seen shells go straight through targets without registering. I've been having this problem lately too, I thought at first it was just a battleship dispersion thing but then I went back and looked at my replays and no they're definitely going through without registering a hit
5-6 seconds per 15 kms means a shell velocity in EXCESS of 3000ms/s (since the shells follow an arc, but the distance is in a line). If other figures are fantasy, this is fantasy x2.
Hey there Flolo, glad your surgery went well! One thing I want to point out is the Nevsky has standard cruiser dispersion, only the Petro and the heavy cruiser line have the weird "worse at long range, better at close range" dispersion. Any wonky dispersion is a function of only having 8 guns (like the Hipper), not the dispersion formula itself. In the original devblog post that weird dispersion is only mentioned as a feature of the heavy cruiser branch: www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/f1rvxi/st_soviet_cruisers/
Had some weird issues playing cv. Im hitting dds with midway HE bombers and I see them hitting the ship, but I don't get dmg or hits, just damaging 3 modules. Wasting entire squadrons with perfect drops for almost no damage but tons of knocked modules.
Donskoi also has 18km range, 180mm guns and a huge hp pool (43k). The problem with Nevsky is the ultra fast reload and shell velocity. Imo it can get either one of those, but not both.
What a shock. Between the new heavy and now this “light” cruiser (light meaning gun calibre not armour), it’s no surprise everyone cries Russian bias. It’s just so blatant.
Shells are definitely passing through ships. I was 3km away from an enemy Lightning trying to finish him off in the 155mm Mogami and they just ghosted straight through.
@@DarkStar14n that's good but radar is a small madder when there guns are like that. If they are to have bad long range then they should made it almost impossable to hit anything past 13 or 14 km Will see
@@jagsdomain203 They could just make it that the AP shatters easier at long range. Or nerf the sigma so the CEP is bigger. OR even better increase the dispersion circle all together.
@@jagsdomain203 IRL one of it's selling points was the those hilarriously fast guns could hit U-2 spy planes... if they could get a reliable target lock. So having good AA would be as intended by the design.
I think that range like 19 km, if they don't have radar director then gun director must be some what high on water. So then concealment must be like 15 km like Hindenburg's.
8:34 talks about shells wiffing - I think this is something to do with the Calm waters mod??? Would the water line be a little higher normally? I noticed when I switched to the mod, I saw much more shells wiff through ships.. if you can take a look flamu that'd be neat.
Okay, so the Smolensk has been overshadowed. New 'must have' ship? Yes. Massively over-powered? Yes. Kills ships in no time flat? Yes. Light Cruiser? No.
Russia has lost its pride since the end of the cold war. Doing stuff like this is their way of trying to get that back. Sad because it destroying the game.
Also sad because they´re just making stuff up. Reminds me of when that series "Chernobyl" came out which portrays many soviet people as heroic but is very critical of the soviet state and its culture of dishonesty. Immediately the russian media got their panties in a twist and it was announced they were going to make their own series on Chernobyl were a CIA agent would be responsible for blowing up the reactor.
Carl Langer Carl Langer as Russian I am not supporting this type of biasing form WG , like wtf , removing historical ships and instead placing Cold War/completely imaginary ships with no historical backing ? Tsushima syndrome at it’s high .
@@lenkor7606 You're not the norm. The RU playerbase loves to complain that WG is biased *against* the Soviet Navy. Yeah, the navy that has the highest proportion of paper/pixel ships, many of which have exaggerated capabilities, has a bias against it according to them.
@@lenkor7606 Is it true that the RU playerbase has a divide between supporting this Soviet bias and being against it? After all, they have a very brawl-heavy meta, and these Soviet ships are definitely trying to break it.
WG, read all the comments. Hear the community shaking their heads at you. Imagine these same people had money that they would spend on online entertainment.
Someone keeps on saying Light and Heavy and Battle ship is about the guns....with 7 inch guns those are cruiser class weapons. They have obviously stretched the rules in some min/max ways.
Has anyone else noted that WG's shell velocity calculation is way off? Stated shell velocity is 1000m\s, yet time to Target at 15km was 5 and change seconds. Call me crazy, but that's closer to 3000m\s. At 1000 m\s a Target at 15km should take 15 secs shell flight time. I haven't noticed anyone else talking about this. Thoughts?
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My memory isn't as sharp as it used to be. But I'm sure, 180mm equates to the lower end of heavy cruiser calibers.
Of course it is light cruiser, tovarish! Look at HMS Incomparable - that was light cruiser too!
"Large light cruiser" designed by Lord Jackie Fischer himself to be precise...
The light or heavy designation only cares about gun caliber, so your swinging and missing here Flamu. You're known and loved for your harsh (but fair) criticism, so I'm sure you can take it too ;)
+Flamu Quick question about your eyes; I am glad things went well but did you not consider laser eye surgery?
@@grlt23 >
3 × 2 - BL 20-inch (508 mm) guns
LOL
The armor and ships can only be so heavy because russian navy was never supposed to float in the water anyway
very true
Maybe they learned from some of their interwar Destroyer designs, which had a habit of developing aspirations to join the Soviet Submarine arm if you pushed the ships at anything close to maximum power because they were so lightly built they would literally fucking shake themselves to pieces. Sure, some of those ships *could* reach 40 knots, but not for long!
When the Bering Sea freezes, they just drive the ship on it.
Bigensk has finally come.
This is an amazing comment and I hate it
I hate that I love this comment
@@jeremyjean13 or SWAGlensk
@@jeremyjean13 SWOLENSK LMAO
Nah Bigensk is just a Smolensk but with 220mm guns. Same quad turrets, same reload, just bigger guns.
I'm not even complaining anymore. I just expect broken Russian ships now.
implying russian ships are in any way broken
@@wildboar222 bit more than far from the truth
@@Sorrowblast Guess you were dropped on your head as a child.
@@KHETTIUS guess you were taught real nice manners somewhere there after you survived your mom's attempt at aborting you.
huh?
Nice conversation?
Wanna have a go at it?
I'm game if you are ;)
That’s where I’m at too.
So the nevsky is like a heavy cruiser and petropavlosk is like a super cruiser?
And the stalingrad is like a battleship. And the Smolenks is like a rowingboat with CIWS goalkeepers on it.
And the Kremlin is a floating fortress with ICBM launchers
To be fare, Moskva was the first super cruiser; and remains a super cruiser.
Moskva's replacement is indeed a super cruiser; Stalingrad preliminary design.
Meanwhile, Stalingrad and Kronsdadt at also post treaty heavy cruisers. Not battleships like the dude posted beneath you.
The Petropovlovks is a heavy cruiser, the Nevsky is just a heavy cruiser by real world standards that needs IFHE in game. Even WG can't make up their minds about 180mm guns as the Tallinn has them and is considered a heavy cruiser.
@@Mthammere2010 I got absolute brain cancer from trying to read your comment
Watch Flambass’ most recent upload. He cits a Kremlin at close range 5 times out of 6 shells and ends up with 25 cits in his first game in the Petropavlosk.
See comrade? Smol is not OP, all is balans.
I just see how the harugumo is OP instead
I remember flamu ranting the new cruiser lines when wg announced them. It just seems that he got acquainted with the ideea.
I just abandoned this pile of junk due to the insane russian bias that it just keeps on receiving.
Not to mention that wg are a bunch of scumbags. I can not imagine a product developed by a company that gives no fucking shit about what the consumers of their product say...sad, being in the game since the closed beta. Put all the imaginary russian ships in the game and a lot of historical ones are left out....all for balans. And wait for their first premium russian cv when it will come out. It will break the whole game...cheers lads
@@FirehawkBV Oh, for sure the Russian tier 10 CV will be somewhere between as powerful as a Nimitz class and an Imperial II class star destroyer.
@@martinpalmer6203 Atleast another country have some limit to their power French weaknesss is low calliber and healthpool. European only effective Against CV Torp is fast but have low damage even Shimakaze can still beat them in knife fight. they strong but still there someway to counter them meanwhile Nevsky sound like mary sue.:
-Radar Stealth to be exact
-Speed
-50K on CL
-Good balistic and shell arc
-fire chance
-good reload
-Range
-AA
-only downside is turning radius but it doesnt matter if you play from far away if you get closer you can use radar.
The idea itself like child imagination "other ship have significance advantage/gimmick so i must have it" even Venezia which they nerf have only 17.1 KM range and max 12.4 km concealment Also AA below 5 KM. and same for petro before Stalin only US have Improve Pen nos Soviet also have improve pen not as good as U.S but atleast they have slow shell speed
The new Soviet pocket BB line looking good
Don't forget Soviet carriers too! They won the battle of midway for the capitalist pigs, and showed the British what to do at Trento..
Well, Flamu, you can keep any Russian ship review about 30second long - a short summary they are always OP.
Not true. Most of them aren't even very strong. Very very few are overpowered.
Mwi O lol
@@JustSomeGuyWithNoMaidens You Russian or Wargaming? Probably both.
@@JustSomeGuyWithNoMaidens very very few are overpowered, or maybe u are just bad, and the only way u get decent games is playing Soviet ships
"Light" in Light Cruiser refers to guns up to and including 155mm, regardless of armor. So its not exactly CL either with 180mm guns.
Though in WoWs terms requires IFHE for 32mm pen, so "CL" it is.
At this point I'm just confused as to what Wargaming's problem is with giving the Russians a t10 CL in the tech tree. First Moskva, now Nevsky are both in the light cruiser line but not actually light cruisers at all. They've proven capable of making Russian T10 CLs with the smolensk… why is it so hard in the tech tree?
And doubt it's like there's a "lack of concepts" either, all these ships are basically imaginatory anyways.
@@platiuscyndar9017 In there defense Moskva was a "medium cruiser" with Stalingrad being the heavy cruiser......they drink much vodka it seems
Like Kirov, she has 180mm but displacement of Cl
Or not?
@@Barri2410 The only displacement criteria placed on Light Cruisers was the 10,000 tons of the Washington Naval Treaty, the same displacement limit was leveraged on HEAVY cruisers as well. The difference between the two was the main gun armament, NOT the size or displacement of the ship, as the OP correctly pointed out. This is something of an inbetween ship, not a heavy cruiser (guns not large enough), but not a light cruiser as her guns are too large. Displacement of the hull has no bearing on whether a ship is classified as a heavy or light cruiser however.
What I want to know is what kinda magic is going on in that turret for such a rate of fire. Most Light Cruisers stuck to around 6 inch guns because that was the maximum size they found through experience could be quickly manhandled and loaded in the confines of the turret. Anything larger than that and you had to move from single piece to multi piece ammunition. It was not until the Des Moines that people worked out how to make a heavy cruiser autoloading system that actually worked (most of the time), and the 7.4 inch guns of this ship DEFINATELY fall into the category of being bitches to handle if the are one piece.
@@alganhar1 These is project 84. sketched in the mid 50s. Never completly designed. It should habe been oprative around 1964. Yet, the turrets, as far the Sketch go, should had yield 9 or 10 seconds reload. Not 6. I don't know why WG choose to give them 6 seconds reload.
Probably balance. The ship is not as tanky. At least in these days with at least 4 tier 10 battleships in each game. I think WG thought it will be a glass cannon with that poor concealment.
One thing that I just realized when watching this is just how the messed up the shell travel time in this game is.... the shells on this ship has ~1000m/s muzzle velocity or ~1km/s but the only take ~8 seconds to go 16km... Why on earth have I never noticed that shells actually travel like ~2 times faster than they actually should???
Nevsky shells go so fast that they fold time and space and bend them to their will comrade
Distances are compressed in game. Otherwise all ships would be a tiny speck on the ocean, and you would hit maybe 1 shot out of 3 salvoes.
@@ImaSpacePotato Yeah it is an arcade game so that makes sense but I am just surprised I never fecking noticed that it plays that way.
Yeah, as Matthew Zhang said, distances/speeds are weird in this game. First, speeds of ships and torpedoes are about 2.9 times faster than they should be relative to the ship's size (not the true speed). Next, I believe ship sizes are 2 times larger than they should be, and shells are also about 2 times as fast as they should be. This makes hitting targets far easier and faster paced since this is an arcade game. StatsBloke did an interesting video on this: ruclips.net/video/kQwEfaNJu-8/видео.html
@@MrRedRye Yes, but those 2% of hits were Way more devastating than in game. For example shells bounce off of the deck which actually rarely happened irl because no ship had absolutely flat deck except carriers and there was always something to trigger the fuze. Also hits on the superstructure maybe weren't devastating for the vital parts of the ship, but definitely were devastating for the ship's combat capabilities - accuracy, damage control, engine efficiency, spotting abilities etc. Also the crew was vulnerable, which leads to further loses in combat capabilities. Another difference is So called "citadel" hits. Irl citadel hit would mean death to the ship, either by detonating the ammo, or killing the machinery and making the ship big, stationary or slugish target. There's also no list mechanics in game, which also greatly affect combat capabilities. In the end wows has almost nothing to do with real naval combat or reality for that matter besides modeled ships... of course not all of them
And then we have Zao with 40k HP and 16.2km range
Absolutely right they must add life to zao because, him he is a heavy cruiser, not like Nevsky.
Power creep makes another victim.
These clowns are way worse than the muppets who run World of Tanks. Pay to win and powercreep are the name of the game here. I uninstalled after the carrier rework, and by the looks of this shit, will never reinstall either.
And over double the reload
@@darrenjpeters This is not pay to win, those are tech tree ships.
11:03 I love hearing Flamu say the word "Questionable"
no I don't have a problem
Releasing all of these overpowered, fantasy, Russian-biased ships is completely short-sighted; because players are getting absolutely sick of it.
It'll hurt WG in the long run. I hope.
Still plenty of ecstatic retards shilling for more bias, and not just among the russian playerbase. As long as there are retards the bias will fly.
Havent played since Christmas, am home quarantined and still no desire to play. Hate what has happened
Was a new player for three months before I quit.
Realized people hated CVs (my favorite class) and that they were kind of crap anyway.
Then realized that compared to most other ships in her class the Atago (my favorite ship) is pretty well gimped.
Quit playing after that as they released and were projected to release a shit load of more op crap that I have no interest in playing and that makes my life in the game miserable.
They already lost my money, and I used to spend for monthly premium and top bundles on new containers.
Yeah, I've spent more on WoWS than I have on any other game, ever. No more. They won't get another penny.
New light cruiser, the only one in the game that outperforms *literally every single other cruiser in the entire game*, and, of course it's Soviet.
No bias here!
Hell it's not even a light cruiser only wargame could go and add a heavy cruiser as the Soviet light cruiser!
Well WOWS went full WOT long before i was expecting, tons and tons of russian ships and the worst part, many of these new additions are OP ships
This is exactly why my friend and I quit WoT... we both thoroughly enjoyed WoWS but lately we are both getting frustrated with stuff like this and the utter HE spam that infests high tier.
MrRedRye agreed. I didn’t mind pre-rework CVs, yeah a good one could dominate the game, but CVs of that caliber were rare. I think the first thing that foreshadowed things to come was when they first gave IJN 100mm the quarter pen.. The fact that the Soviet tech tree will be bigger than the USN tree is unacceptable in my opinion. Especially when it’s filled with Soviet power fantasy ships. If WG wanted to really regain people faith in the game, they should completely remove the Smolensk for full coal refunds regardless of if they used a coupon and actually give the Kremlin a meaningful nerf
@@oseansoldier The rework was to make CVs playable on consoles.
MrRedRye don’t forget the 360 turrets on the Petropavlovsk
WG expect Europe will fall due to COVID so they develop the game for the russian market. That's why russian ships are OP
I bet that their wise prophet Rasputin has told him that.
russian ships are op?
Do you do stand-up comedy often?
@@Sorrowblast i see you everywhere commenting about Russian is not op, who hurt you as a child
@@fazlimh8711 and I see butthurt menchildren crying russian bias all around the place.
Who hurt them?
@@Sorrowblast well i'm not the one commenting everywhere about Russian ship not being op how about you do something useful in your life for once and not being a dissapointment
180mm
Japan: Heavy Cruiser
US: Heavy Cruiser
UK: Heavy Cruiser
Germany: Heavy Cruiser
Wargaming: Light Cruiser
*BIG BRAIN*
Just to make this clear a light cruiser can be heavily armored and still be a light cruiser! Whether a cruiser is heavy or light is defined by its gun caliber nothing else!
Stuck with the game since beta, seriously starting to lose interest with the Soviet OP bullshit.
I was playing since open beta, played right up until a few months after the CV rework when I finally had enough of their bullshit not fixing their stupid mistakes.
glad to hear your eyes doing good; had that surgery myself several years ago, still amazed at how well I can see; you will enjoy it i'm sure
As someone who hates the idea of anything being near my eye, that surgery sounds horrible. Glad your back!
So a light cruiser can bow tank yamo shels?
Because of course it can. No bias here, comrades.
Puerto Rico can do that broadside
@@jakubw.2779 pay-to-rico has no citadel
@@derek96720 ah Yes, forgot it's a destroyed on a freight waggon of steroids
@@jakubw.2779 i don't think everyone has PR and this one is in tech tree
So nice, what we have been waiting for... more spam!!!
To sum it up: "most of BBs except soviet ones" .... that says it all
Im looking forward to the game being renamed to World of Russiaship with it's new DLC's Russian Bias Edition.
These paper ships are getting beyond ridiculous. Funny that only the Russian ships are overpowered to the extreme. Soon we will ONLY be seeing russian ships being played. Might have to drop the game now. Over WGing's decisions with the Russian BB/Cruiser trees.
Yep, I gues you're right. I play this game since beta and I am proud of fact, that I didn't taint my self by touching this filth. This cheattree is the only one I completely ignored. Even when I got some of this bullshit from containers, I sold it. And when I see ships named after criminals like Lenin, or Sovietskyi Soyuz, I always prioritize them as targets, no matter what. When I see them on team, I always leave them on flank and never help when they call for it. They are not my teamates, they are WG's whores.
But I am really sick of it and I almost dont play this comedy anymore. It will end up just like WoT with so many Object xxx (x=add some random number or letter), that they are running out of symbols.
They're only op in people that are unicum already. You'll see potatoes get deleted in these things instantly all the time
I grinded the Des Moines just to find out that it is irrelevant in the presence of these russian cruisers. This thing is a light cruiser but has better armor, better guns, better overall survivability, better radar. The only thing DM is good at is hugging island but in tier 10 map there are almost no islands to hug. Even if you do an AP bomber just blaps you for 20k damage and you are forced to leave. WG should really buff the DM.
seems competetive. thx for the vid. next balansed ship
Besides the overall balancing issues every new Russian line brings, I also find it interesting how their ships are ALWAYS the biggest, tankiest and with close to or the biggest guns in their class. They so desperately want to be the big, macho bruisers. Ivan Drago recreated in steel and put afloat. The inferiority complex can be spotted from the moon...
Not to mention they design their ships with features that favour them in game. Like i doubt the 180mm guns existed in real life and i bet that number was made up to allow for that 37mm ifhe pen. Its really stupid, oh yea it has wrose concealment than its tech tree counterpart heavy cruiser? It also has better if not similar concealment to hindy and henri? Like what is actually wrong with them
Stalin wanted Big Gun ships that could take a beating. that is why all the Stalingrad cruisers and all the variations proposed have similar looks and feel. Nevski on the other hand had her main battery made to be AA and shoot down U-2 Spy planes... not that they didn't make the guns work, they just never made barrels that could live up to naval standards.
@@skidaddleaegir 180 mm guns existed. Kirov-class were built after all, and the Adm. Nakimov's were also a thing. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/180mm_Pattern_1931-1933
The super-velocity ones the Nevsky carries though? Those are firing-range queens.
@@eivindhelgetun3254 i see, thanks for correcting me, i do feel however these guns are overperforming in terms of penetration reload rate and accuracy, what are your thoughts?
@@skidaddleaegir Eh, both penetration, reload and muzzle velocities are probably in the ballpark to what these guns allegedly put out in theory, or on the test ranges if they were actually made. But any sane engineers would have realized guns like that would wear out their liners almost immediately in practice and reduced the charges heavily before adoption, hence my firing-range queen jab.
Reliability is no concern in WoWs however, which is why WG keep letting paper-ships get away with best-case theoretical stats, unfettered by the constraints of physics and sanity.
Good to hear your surgery turned out well
Happy to hear you're recovering well from the surgery, and the same for your throat ailment.
So there is now a light cruiser that is almost in every way better then the zao, what a surprise
And it can bow tank a Yamato, while the battleships of other nations can't even do that.
@@derek96720 Moskva has 50 mm as well, but it can be pen'd if u aim at the top of the nose
Doesn't the 30mm deck armour mean it is a heavy cruiser as per the recent IFHE changes?
WG: Nyet comrade, totally balansd, off to gulag with you
Q u e s t i o n a b l e design once again, nice one WeeGee
The balance is stronk with these new cruisers...
British CAs: Glorified Conquerors
Soviet CLs/CAs: Stalinium-armed shells that can wipe out Kremlins at full broadside
This thing seems to deserve the title of medium cruiser
Its magically amazing..... Fear the Russian Navy on Paper......
you know you are watching a flamu vid,when the first salvo hits with a citadel and he gets a slight chuckle out of it.
Best Wishes and Get Well soon, Flamu!
Actually the Nevsky has 320mm effective citadel armor since the casemate is armored on both sides (the inside and outside of the ship). You can still get full pens without citadels but cruisers basically can’t citadel it except at point blank ranges.
Nah thankfully it's not as ridiculous....
Unlike Petropavlovsk
As light as a russian cruiser gets. This is russian Des Moines, but better. Much better shell velocity, similar gun range, better armor for whatever reason, better conceal and speed and on top of that, the Nevsky gets 600 more HP. And torps. "Light" cruiser. A DM in the russian tech tree would be a DD
Thats what the Game need!!! A Donskoi on steroids.....so...grind to it and feel OP again......
Glad to see that you are better. Regarding the "funkiness" of firing, I noticed that too!! To me it seems like, there is a problem with the sync between the host ( server) and the personal terminals....
You mentioned thinking you've seen shells go straight through targets without registering. I've been having this problem lately too, I thought at first it was just a battleship dispersion thing but then I went back and looked at my replays and no they're definitely going through without registering a hit
GUESS WHAT GUYS! new and engaging mechanic! MORE RADAR!
5-6 seconds per 15 kms means a shell velocity in EXCESS of 3000ms/s (since the shells follow an arc, but the distance is in a line). If other figures are fantasy, this is fantasy x2.
Hey there Flolo, glad your surgery went well! One thing I want to point out is the Nevsky has standard cruiser dispersion, only the Petro and the heavy cruiser line have the weird "worse at long range, better at close range" dispersion. Any wonky dispersion is a function of only having 8 guns (like the Hipper), not the dispersion formula itself. In the original devblog post that weird dispersion is only mentioned as a feature of the heavy cruiser branch: www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/f1rvxi/st_soviet_cruisers/
Nevsky is a heavy cruiser, Petropavlosk is a battleship, Kremlin is an artillery emplacement mounted inside an island.
Been waiting to hear about this one
Another OP russian ship.... Surprised: no one.
Another bunch of WoWs players going from P2W to F2P...I hope...
@@KondorDCS Or quitting.
Glad your surgery went well.
Well guys, WE NEED TO BE BE THANKFUL FOR THIS BOI COMPARED TO IT'S SISTER MOSKVA! [CUZ MOSKVA IS SO OP]
No bias here.... move along, move along
World of PowerCreep.
Gone at the first sign of a competitor warship game.
Happy to hear your doing good and we will always be waiting for real life always come first
So cant wait for wg to nerf the survivability of the aa to balance this ship
too true ahah
Ahhaha
Seeing sth like this would be released into the game, nah won’t reinstall. Good luck on those who are spending money on the game already.
Had some weird issues playing cv.
Im hitting dds with midway HE bombers and I see them hitting the ship, but I don't get dmg or hits, just damaging 3 modules.
Wasting entire squadrons with perfect drops for almost no damage but tons of knocked modules.
Needs more balans. Must have 32 main guns
Spreadsheet says ready for release
Donskoi also has 18km range, 180mm guns and a huge hp pool (43k). The problem with Nevsky is the ultra fast reload and shell velocity. Imo it can get either one of those, but not both.
What a shock. Between the new heavy and now this “light” cruiser (light meaning gun calibre not armour), it’s no surprise everyone cries Russian bias. It’s just so blatant.
Flamu can u pleas tell WG that they could at least use the same Keys for the same consumeables on the ships?
Overpowered.
WOW WG NEVER CHANGE
Game should be renamed - "World of OP Soviet Ships"
Interesting you comment on the shells going through ships issue Flamu. I am seeing this a lot lately, and its getting extremely frustrating.
So....Smolensk on steroids? Just what the game needed! /s
Look at Goliath and look at this. What a shame Weegee.
Well yeah... I was the Worcester in this game. The Nevsky is a Monster of a ship!
I only watched 20 seconds and i already heared enough.
I hope you have a quick recovery after your eye surgery!
WG having server issues? That would be unthinkable... lol.
Shells are definitely passing through ships. I was 3km away from an enemy Lightning trying to finish him off in the 155mm Mogami and they just ghosted straight through.
They say everything will be tested and made wonderful
Well they no loner have 2km of stealth radars. Will see if they touch on the guns.
@@DarkStar14n that's good but radar is a small madder when there guns are like that. If they are to have bad long range then they should made it almost impossable to hit anything past 13 or 14 km
Will see
@@jagsdomain203 They could just make it that the AP shatters easier at long range. Or nerf the sigma so the CEP is bigger. OR even better increase the dispersion circle all together.
@@DarkStar14n ture. At least they could lower AA so at planes can have a shot at it.
@@jagsdomain203 IRL one of it's selling points was the those hilarriously fast guns could hit U-2 spy planes... if they could get a reliable target lock. So having good AA would be as intended by the design.
I think that range like 19 km, if they don't have radar director then gun director must be some what high on water. So then concealment must be like 15 km like Hindenburg's.
Overpowered new Soviet ship from Sekrit Dokuments? We're all shocked.
In sovjet Russia cruisers are battleships comrade
8:34 talks about shells wiffing - I think this is something to do with the Calm waters mod??? Would the water line be a little higher normally? I noticed when I switched to the mod, I saw much more shells wiff through ships.. if you can take a look flamu that'd be neat.
Reading between lines : WG want's us to finally stop bitching about smolensk.
Okay, so the Smolensk has been overshadowed. New 'must have' ship? Yes. Massively over-powered? Yes. Kills ships in no time flat? Yes. Light Cruiser? No.
I have seen this in the game I don't know how people can bring it to live server, it's quite spammy too.
“Something No other light cruiser would ever do switching to AP at this range”
RN cruisers: may I be your pardon.
Why am I not suprise anymore?
If i remember correctly, "light cruisers" were the ones with up to 6.1 inch main guns. 180mm guns make this ship more of a heavy cruiser.
_Me befor watching this:_ Ok, maybe this thing is a very powerful ship by stats but that doesn´t mean it is OP!
1:04 It is OP...
Good video!
Russia has lost its pride since the end of the cold war. Doing stuff like this is their way of trying to get that back. Sad because it destroying the game.
Also sad because they´re just making stuff up. Reminds me of when that series "Chernobyl" came out which portrays many soviet people as heroic but is very critical of the soviet state and its culture of dishonesty. Immediately the russian media got their panties in a twist and it was announced they were going to make their own series on Chernobyl were a CIA agent would be responsible for blowing up the reactor.
Carl Langer Carl Langer as Russian I am not supporting this type of biasing form WG , like wtf , removing historical ships and instead placing Cold War/completely imaginary ships with no historical backing ? Tsushima syndrome at it’s high .
@@lenkor7606 You're not the norm. The RU playerbase loves to complain that WG is biased *against* the Soviet Navy. Yeah, the navy that has the highest proportion of paper/pixel ships, many of which have exaggerated capabilities, has a bias against it according to them.
@MotorsportsMania21 what do you expect from the toxic playerbase ? I am playing on eu servers to eascape the mess that is ru servers
@@lenkor7606 Is it true that the RU playerbase has a divide between supporting this Soviet bias and being against it? After all, they have a very brawl-heavy meta, and these Soviet ships are definitely trying to break it.
Light cruiser refers to the ARMAMENT, not the armor or how heavy the ship itself is.
WG, read all the comments. Hear the community shaking their heads at you. Imagine these same people had money that they would spend on online entertainment.
Someone keeps on saying Light and Heavy and Battle ship is about the guns....with 7 inch guns those are cruiser class weapons. They have obviously stretched the rules in some min/max ways.
new GOOD ship, yeah!
Has anyone else noted that WG's shell velocity calculation is way off? Stated shell velocity is 1000m\s, yet time to Target at 15km was 5 and change seconds. Call me crazy, but that's closer to 3000m\s. At 1000 m\s a Target at 15km should take 15 secs shell flight time. I haven't noticed anyone else talking about this. Thoughts?
The game's distances are compressed.
@flamu I feel the same way about the shells passing over ships. And i though i was going mad.
10 seconds into the video and you can already hear in his voice how much flamu is looking forward to the shitstorm he´s about to unleash lmao
If it has 180mm guns it's a heavy cruiser CL goes up to 6.1 inch
Yeah...light cruiser...sure...why am I not surprised.
You are not alone, the other day 4 of my buffalo HE salvos passed throught BB from 6km. Probably some server issues.
Borderline CA with LAZER gunz and 6 sec reload... Nerfed Smolensk and without smoke XD, BUT has OP AA
real name of the ship us Alexander SMOLENSKY