The Rise of Skywalker ONE YEAR LATER
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- Опубликовано: 28 июл 2024
- Have my thoughts changed after a year? What do I think of Star Wars: Episode 9 - The Rise of Skywalker one year later? Let's find out!
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Star Wars: Episode 9 - The Rise of Skywalker MOVIE PLOT:
MOVIE PLOT:
Following a threat of revenge by the revived Emperor Palpatine, Kylo Ren obtains a Sith Wayfinder, leading him to the uncharted planet Exegol. There, he finds Palpatine, who reveals that he created Snoke as a puppet to control the First Order and lure Kylo to the dark side. Palpatine unveils the Final Order-a secret armada of Star Destroyers-and tells Kylo to find and kill Rey, who is continuing her Jedi training under Resistance leader Leia Organa. Finn and Poe Dameron deliver intelligence from a spy that Palpatine is on Exegol; Rey has learned from Luke Skywalker's notes that a Sith Wayfinder can lead them there. Rey, Finn, Poe, Chewbacca, BB-8, and C-3PO depart in the Millennium Falcon to Pasaana, where a clue to a Wayfinder is hidden.
Kylo initiates a Force bond with Rey to discover her location; he travels to Pasaana with his warrior subordinates, the Knights of Ren. With the help of Lando Calrissian, Rey and her friends find the clue-a dagger inscribed with Sith text, which C-3PO's programming forbids him from interpreting-and the remains of a Jedi hunter named Ochi and his ship. Sensing that Kylo is nearby, Rey goes to confront him. The First Order captures the Falcon, Chewbacca, and the dagger; attempting to save Chewbacca, Rey accidentally destroys a First Order transport with Force lightning. Believing Chewbacca to be dead, the group escapes on Ochi's ship.
The group travels to Kijimi, where a droidsmith extracts the Sith text from C-3PO's memory, revealing coordinates to a Wayfinder. Rey senses Chewbacca is alive, and the group mounts a rescue mission to Kylo's Star Destroyer. Rey recovers the dagger and has visions of Ochi killing her parents with it. Kylo informs her that she is Palpatine's granddaughter; the Sith Lord had ordered Ochi to recover Rey as a child, but her parents hid her on Jakku to protect her. General Hux saves Poe, Finn, and Chewbacca from execution, revealing himself as the spy. He permits the group to escape on the Falcon, but is discovered and killed by Allegiant General Pryde. The group flies the Falcon to the Wayfinder's coordinates on a moon in the Endor system.
Rey retrieves the Wayfinder from the remains of the second Death Star, but she is met by Kylo, who destroys the Wayfinder and duels her. In a dying act, Leia calls to Kylo through the Force, distracting him as Rey impales him. Sensing Leia's death, Rey heals Kylo and takes his ship to exile herself on Ahch-To. There, Luke's Force spirit encourages Rey to face Palpatine and gives her Leia's lightsaber. Rey leaves for Exegol in Luke's X-wing fighter, using the Wayfinder from Kylo's ship. Meanwhile, Kylo converses with a memory of his father, Han Solo; he throws away his lightsaber and reclaims his identity as Ben Solo. Sensing Leia's death and Ben's redemption, Palpatine sends one of his superlaser-equipped Star Destroyers to destroy Kijimi as a show of force.
The Resistance, led by Poe and Finn, prepare to attack Palpatine's armada. Rey transmits her coordinates to R2-D2, allowing the Resistance to follow her to Exegol. There, she confronts Palpatine; he demands that she kill him for his spirit to pass into her. Lando brings reinforcements from across the galaxy to join the battle. Ben overpowers the Knights of Ren and joins Rey, but Palpatine drains their power to rejuvenate himself. He incapacitates Ben and attacks the Resistance fleet with Force lightning. Weakened, Rey hears the voices of past Jedi, who lend her their strength. Palpatine attacks her with lightning, but Rey deflects it using Luke and Leia's lightsabers,[c] killing Palpatine before dying herself. Ben uses the Force to revive her at the cost of his own life; Rey kisses Ben before he dies. The Resistance defeats Palpatine's armada, while people across the galaxy rise up against the First Order. The Resistance returns to their base to celebrate. 
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At least Ian Mcdiarmid finally got what he wanted after years. Watching behind the scenes footage with him on it, you can't help but feel happy for the guy.
Hell yeah...
@Black-Handed_Ice_ Gwiazda He really wanted Palpatine to return. I watched an interview where Ian said that after filming episode 6 he kept asking George Lucas if there was maybe a way Palpatine survived the fall, but George kept telling him "no"
Bet we'll see him again in Obi-Wan series.
@@matti.8465 He _did_ return (as in was seen again), in I, II & III.
@@georgiosioannispappas nope
Palpatine looks like he lives in a society
Long have I lived in a society.
Key word society
I thought he was gonna persuade Kylo to go visit him down in the sewer in the street
You're awful, Mur-Rey...
He is the society.
Disney: This trilogy isn’t working.
JJ: Ok, I’ll make a new trilogy ... and I’ll do it in one movie 😁
To be fair that’s exactly what Rian Johnson did with last Jedi. I like aspects of Last Jedi and it is better than rise of skywalker by far but it didn’t feel connected and abandoned things that were set up in the previous film. None of the films feel connected with one another.
@@ravenproductions5609 What do you feel was setup previously that TLJ abandoned?
@@eldo4rent well they abandoned the idea of Rey having some special parents which honestly I love the idea of her not being related to a pre established character but they were heavily hinting at that and trying to get the audience invested in the mystery of her character. J J Abrams even said that in the behind the scenes. Also they abandoned the idea of Fin being force sensitive which they were heavily hinting at with the force sound effects and music playing when he held a lightsaber. On top of that they heavily hinted at Snoke being a big piece of the puzzle and some important mysterious figure but then killed him off in Last Jedi. Now I love the idea of him dying in Last Jedi, in fact I would prefer that if there wasn’t as much mystery and teasing the audience with his character in the force awakens. I love a lot of the ideas in Last Jedi but they just don’t feel connected. I think the ideas are unique and I would rather watch a trilogy that goes with those ideas and doesn’t ignore them but they just set up too much in Force Awakens and then went “you know what nah” and then because of that they made rise of skywalker which was the least connected and most messy film in the trilogy. I think I would love Last Jedi more if rise of skywalker actually acknowledged the ideas from it but it didn’t and none of the films feel as if they belong in the same trilogy.
@@ravenproductions5609 Hrm... I didn't see it that way I guess. I didn't watch any official interviews or media outside the movies and I didn't pick up on the idea that Rey had a pedigree past. I remember a lot of people speculating, but I didn't think anything was close to canonized. I also didn't pick up on Fin being force sensitive other than again some speculation videos. I kind of assumed that Snoke was still going to be a big piece of the puzzle. Its not like we havent had characters cut in half before and then return. Since this saga likes to repeat themes I thought this might happen. I felt that most of the kill the past crap was just Kylo. He is the villain after all, his ethos is not supposed to be the one that wins out. The second episode is supposed to be the dark point in the story where things seem to be going sideways. I assumed the third movie would vindicate our heroes and show that we were not wrong to revere them. But of course thats not what we got. The one thing they did do was redeem Kylo, but I thought that was done rather poorly. I really liked TLJ and felt it upended fan expectations more than broke any cannon, weaponizing a hyperdrive excluded of course.
@@eldo4rent yeah. I do think there is still quite a bit wrong with the last Jedi just as a movie, like Carry Poppins and all that. I wouldn’t have minded that if they just acknowledged and explained it. One thing I really liked in rise of skywalker was the flashback to Leia training with Luke and I wish that was in Last Jedi. I also hated how perfect Rey was and I wish they actually did a payoff to the setup of Leia being force sensitive by having her come in and help Rey or something. And Luke was just terrible in my opinion. Say what you want but he just seemed like a different character but the worst part was him trying to kill kylo before he even turned to the dark side. If he can turn Darth Vader to the light he can turn a kid who is naive to the light. Also tons of the jokes throughout the film were like MCU jokes and were horribly written. I honestly think that the whole trilogy would be better if it were planned out and maybe rian Johnson directed it all. He has great ideas
I didn’t like the idea of Palpy coming back in Dark Empire, and I still don’t like it. At least Dark Empire explained how and why he came back and had him only waiting 6 years before showing up
I didn't like how in Dark Empire he kept coming back and had a bunch of clones. I think they took the general idea and made it more... "believable", because it was really hard for Palpatine to cheat death.
And now we're seeing the connective tissue being woven in these new shows like The Mandalorian.
“Maybe it will take people 30 years to get it. They trashed 'The Wizard of Oz' at first, too."-Prince
@@ANT96-x8d Anthony are you suggesting, by any chance, that The Rise Of Skywalker is a masterpiece waiting to be properly appraised?
2020 just keeps on giving.
Even if they didn't explain it properly, come on dark empire did it worse. He basically has a respawn button because of his clones so what was Anakin sacrifice for? At least in ROS Palpatine was crippled, weak and had to absorb the special dyad from Rey and Kylo to return fully
@@ignazioacerenza9881 the same thing happened with The Wizard of Oz
"don't forget to tell me i'm wrong in the comment section below" lmao
I love that Greedo actually has a unique ranking list
I like differing opinions, but I just can't bring myself to understand TLJ as the best star wars since the originals... like sorry but nah
@@dwntime Greedo is the type of person who values creative risks and new content in his SW movies (and I am too) and TLJ is the most daring piece of SW content since the originals (imo), so of course he’s gonna love it. That’s why I love it too. It doesn’t play it safe in the slightest
@@ViettiTV I respect that 100%. To each their own ofc. Imo the risks that a lot of people mention just stem from not fully understanding the universe of SW, and the rules that come with this massive, lore filled franchise. I feel like Rian just didn't fully understand how the force works, and would use it as a cop out to explain a lot of stuff in the plot, changing long-standing rules that were set by movies, comics, etc. I think that subverting expectations is great, as long as you have a plan to have it all make sense, which wasn't the case with the relationship between JJ and Rian. I feel like people (like myself) have problems with TLJ not cause it in itself was a bad film, but its moreso a case of "what could have been"... ie. never seeing Luke go off, never seeing the trio all back together, even if Han was a force ghost oss (sorry for the paragraph)
unique as opposed to what?
I honestly think I have the same ranking. Though I'd have to rewatch the originals to know if TLJ is third place or maybe second.
You strongly echo my own thoughts towards this film. I walked out feeling almost nothing because so many of the moments that were supposed to generate an emotional reaction didn't feel earned, and the movie just moved way too quickly in way too many directions, especially for the first 45 minutes. This is the only Star Wars movie I didn't go to see in the theatre more than once.
Yeah exactly. I actually saw this movie once in theaters and never bothered to watch it a second time. As someone who liked TLJ, TROS just devalued the previous two movies to me. But I also see the problems TFA and TLJ created because of a missing coherent plan for the entire thing.
Couldn’t have said it better it wasn’t a good movie to end the whole saga
Oml legit
I feel like we watched the last Jedi a million times in the theater and at home and I haven’t even watched the rise of skywalker at home after seeing it the one time at the theater
Same I saw it once at midnight and when it was over I genuinely felt nothing. Never went back to see it again
I saw it the night it came out and haven't rewatched it since. Aesthetically it is Star Wars level spectacle, but in terms of story and structure it was pure contrived schlock.
I agree on the Palpatine plot. From the Force Awakens, through the Last Jedi, I anticipated the final film would involve a power struggle between Kylo and Hux. If you got rid of the Palpatine plot, you could have had Kylo as the Supreme Leader, but his instability and obsession with Rey could have led to a coup by Hux. A similar scene like the battle on the Death Star could have happened, but we could have seen Hux and the rest of the first order willing leave Kylo after he had been stabbed. Rey could have still healed him, Han still would have appeared to him and he still would have turned back to the light. The climax of the film could have featured Rey and Ben taking on the Knights of Ren together, while the rest of the Resistance brought down Hux and the First Order. The film still could have ended with Ben sacrificing himself, but the whole Palpatine business and Rey calling herself a Skywalker could have been cut.
Ngl I love this
@@isaacholland6587 Thank you. They also could have used this to follow up on the "weapons dealers work for both sides," plot that was set up in TLJ in some way.
this channel is honestly one of the most grounded and realistic on this platform
Agreed. Definitely a rare occurrence on this platform
Agreed.
Absolutely I’m so glad that there is at least one youtuber that doesn’t hate the sequels
Not his old videos
I loved seeing Billy Dee Williams as Lando. That's the biggest plus to this movie.
@@jacko_3770 what about wedge ?
I was surprised they didn’t kill him off too.
Was happy to see Billy Dee Williams and Dennis Lawson and was really happy they didn't kill them off.
I loved seeing Lando too. And I loved the fact that Wedge survived the whole thing, thus becoming a living legend among Rebel/New Republic pilots.
The problem with Lando and Wedge was they were written in a way that they were pretty much interchangeable.
None of the actions that Lando did felt like it required Lando at all, Lando is a ladies man, and a gambler, and we saw none of those things. We only saw him do an encore of his Return of the Jedi pilot skills. The Trevorrow script was better because Lando owned a Club and it actually featured him singing and doing a Jabba The Hutt musical with dancing girls. It truly showcased how he had fallen to the point of chosing to no longer care about the new conflict, as a contrast with an occupied Coruscant.
But then incomptent JJ Abrams changed it to the weird Tatooine 3 were everyone is celebrating and it really doesn't work because it anticlimately makes it seem as if no one cares, nor was affected by the First Order war at all.
JJ Abrams should be banned from Star Wars and forced to give back all his profits.
PLANET TIM BURTON 😂 THATS SO FREAKING HILARIOUS
I am pretty sure he was under one of those black rags among the Sith-cultists.
Planet Tim burton needed more spirals.. lol
Hey, Tim Burton special editions including having the sarlaac changed to a beetlejuice sandworm, Johnny Depp deep fake as Anakin in the prequels, abd of course, LARGE MARGE.
I wish it looked that interesting.
@VOVOSTEREO Imagine a movie about the Sith directed by Tim Burton
The main flaw in the statement "they fly now" is Finn was a stormtrooper, did JJ forget he wrote Finn was a stormtrooper.
But Finn never flew
@@bren5335 He clearly would've seen or at least heard of jet troopers during his time in the First Order
Well they do say, "They fly now." Implying that there was a time when they didn't, so I think it is acceptable because perhaps jet troopers did not exist when Finn was a trooper. Also, the other characters have quite a familiarity with the first order troopers by this time so the fact that none of them knew also suggests that it was a new thing.
@@jamesshives5679 This doesn't explain the fact that they're completely oblivious of jet troopers in general. They were always a thing, so them acting like it's a completely new thing doesn't make sense.
@@iiamGhxsty Do we know that they were always a thing with the First Order? It doesn't matter if they were always a thing with the clones or the Empire because that doesn't automatically mean the First Order had them. And I don't think we know that they were surprised by the existence of jet troopers in general, more that they were surprised at the existence of First Order jet troopers. I realize this is quite an excuse for a probable oversight in the script, but I think it does make sense if you assume that the First Order did not always have jet troopers.
"I'm sure I'm in the minority on disliking the Palpatine thing"
So how's it been not using the internet for year?
@@quujj He wasn’t being sarcastic though...
@@quujj Something as titanic as Palpatine's still around must be foreshadowed; VII & VIII gave no hints whatsoever that that's the case - because it wasn't, not until the production of IX. He was shoehorned in.
Bruh people loved Palpatine returning ever since the trailers
It’s been a year??
One ☝️ YEAR?!?
Jesus Christ, 2020 felt too Goddamn long.
To me it felt pretty short.
@@tom6369 tom you made me chuckle lol
@@TheSorrel same
Besides COVID and tragically losing my uncle back in February, 2020 for me wasn’t too shabby. I got to go to way more trips than I have ever done in any year, had the whole island of Maui, Hawaii to ourselves back in March, and I got to meet tons of big-name Star celebrities (prefer not to name them).
@@LordTylerBluGunderson sorry for your loss
My favorite scene from this movie: Rey making a giant somersault leap and slicing off the wing of Kylo Ren's TIE fighter while it's speeding toward her. TROS had a lot of problems (many of which you explain in the video), but Daisy Ridley wasn't one of them!
I feel bad for her actually.. not just her but for Oscar Isaac ang Boyega too. They did have such a chemestry which was well set in epi 7. We cant blame them for anything.
@@lcva9822 This is classic Abrams...set up good characters and potentially interesting narrative...just then spends the next 75% of the series/movie wasting it and then blowing it all up for a terrible ending.
Anyone who has watched Alias or Lost...or any of the new Star Trek movies know this.
One of the biggest problems it had, which Greedo failed to mention at least as a sidenote, was the death of Carrie Fisher, who would have been a pillar of whatever Episode 9 was going to be like before her passing.
That conditioned many aspects of production and writing, to work with what little was available. This movie was actually a small miracle because it is messy but still WORKS, and the audience score shows that.
“Maybe it will take people 30 years to get it. They trashed 'The Wizard of Oz' at first, too."-Prince
AMEN
I have the same opinion about The Last Jedi. It feels so good to see that I’m not the only one!
Everyone is just bashing TLJ because they don’t like the fact that Leia flies or other technicalities that don’t matter. TLJ is about our hero Luke who’s consumed by regrets and fights his new demons.
The Rise Of Skywalker is just poorly executed generic fan service. There are worst movies but it’s a big pile of “meh” in my opinion...
If you think those are the reasons people don’t like The Last Jedi, you haven’t been paying attention.
@Amritansh Mishra Plot holes and inconsistencies throughout. Plot points leading nowhere and several missed opportunities to tell a better story. Boring, slow pace. Terrible Canto Bight seen that served no purpose. Mishandling of classic characters. Bland dialogue. Cringe worthy comedy. And that's just from the top of my head.
Nope. It's just a terrible movie. Bad script, no plot, no weight to any scenes, poorly developed characters... and thats not even mentioning the endless plot holes. The movie is just a bunch of cheap uninteresting spectacle.
@@minkworks6143 your opinion… I don’t share it. It’s my 4th favorite Star Wars movie right after the original trilogy. Much better than any of the prequels in my opinion
JJ ABRAMS IS A MEDIOCRE WRITER AND DIRECTOR
Y'know, I similarly don't care for Palpatine's return but I heard an argument from a fan of it that altered my perception a little. The Sith are all about attachment and the inability to accept death whereas the good guys have to learn to let things go and accept that death is inevitable. I don't think that's what they were going for with his return but it's still an interesting angle.
The books back this idea up too
I love how you put “don’t forget to tell me I’m wrong”😂 personally I don’t agree with most of it but I respect it a lot. Keep up the great work!
I don’t personally agree either, and I also respect his opinions and his ranking, but I just don’t see how anyone could put TLJ before ROTS. Not to mention TFA. And before you call me a ROTS shill, I was born the year before ROTS came out so I never really “grew up” with the prequels like many did, I had all the movies, but my dad introduced me to the originals before the prequels and I never really liked the prequels as much as the originals. In my opinion, you can’t beat the originals. But, as I get older I understand not only the story of Star Wars more and more, I also understand the emotion and everything behind ROTS. That is why it’s slowly risen through my rankings. I also thought Rogue One was an excellent movie. For me, my ranking would be:
1. Empire
2. ROTJ
3. ROTS
4. ANH
5. Rogue One
6. TROS
7. TFA
8. Solo
9. TPM
10. TLJ
11. AOTC
@@jwahoski6248 Solid list! Mine would be:
1. Return of the Jedi
2. Revenge of the Sith
3. The Empire Strikes Back
4. The Force Awakens
5. The Rise of Skywalker
6. Rogue One
7. A New Hope
8. The Phantom Menace
9. Attack of the Clones
10. The Last Jedi
11. Solo
yea i respect it, even do he thinks TLJ is better than ep 1 and ep 3
@@adolfogarzachaires394 I mean, it objectively is
@@diegob798 and what about story ?
In around 20 years the kids that grew up with this Star Wars trilogy will make memes of how they love it
Soooo time does change opinions
All I can do is hope this isn't the case, I say the difference with the prequels was that the story itself was what made it work in the end and the sequel trilogy just
Doesnt, do that.
Time does not improve horrible writing. That's why the OT is still praised to this day. The ST will not be remembered fondly.
People here simply don't understand how a movie can impact a child. I remember how _Revenge_ impacted me as a kid in the 2000's but everyone around me was telling me how _"this movie is dumb and you shouldn't like it"_ . We are just a bunch of idiot adults that don't feel satisfied with anything. I don't like _Rise_ , my least favorite Star Wars film, but I want to see an entire generation that grew up with the Disney Era 10-15 years from now and I hope they can make us dumb adults watch these movies from a different perspective. Let's remember that fans couldn't just shut the fuck up about Prequels and George for 16 years (1999-2015) and now suddenly everyone praise him as if he was not treated like a piece of shit for more than a decade. Why? Because it's convenient to fans. If George had made his Sequels, everyone would continue to hate him. The Star Wars fandom is the absolute worst. So yeah, I hope 10-15 years from now I can see a lot of people who love the ST, _Rogue One_ , _Solo_ and make us shut the fuck up a little bit and accept things as they are, not what they could have been or should have been. I don't like _Rise_ but I prefer to rewatch it without any hype and appreciate its qualities and hope that the movie will look better 10 years from now than when I watched it for the first time. Until then, the fans will be like _"fuck the Sequels"_ for a while, the same way they did with the Prequels and will do with any other new Star Wars content. Since 1999, it's the fandom the root of all the problems in Star Wars, not George, KK, J.J. or Rian. _"Time is a flat circle. Everything we ever done or will do, we're gonna do over and over and over again. And that Star Wars fandom will complain about everything again, and again and again. Forever"_ .
@@Zorak_97 I agree with everything that you just said
@@davidjacobs8558 _"No kids"_ . Source: _"Trust me dude"_
I still really really was oddly crushed by Rey not being a nobody. That had s much weight to it for me in the previous movies. When I watched A New Hope for the first time, I loved that Luke felt that way too. And while I enjoyed its outcome, I was sad that I, a nobody, could nolonger identify with him on that. I sort of thought they had thought the same thing in production as I felt. "We should make it so someone in here is ACTUALLY a nobody."
And seeing broom boy, it felt like they were saying "Yeah! These films are for all the nobodies! Nobodies, rise up!" and I was sure Rey was going to be the character more of us could identify with. Truly roped into this crazy adventure, with no destiny involved.
The Wedge cameo is still the best part of the entire movie
YES!!!
"I don't make constant videos for a year about a movie I don't like." Hahaha shots fired!
I mostly liked this movie but I can see where you are coming from on some stuff. I agree I would prefer for Palpatine not to be brought back. But Palpatine was quite entertaining in this movie. He was at his height of Palpy-ness lol. I preferred Rey as nobody too but at least it still fit with the whole bloodlines don't matter thing since Rey didn't have to follow in Palpatine's footsteps and she was free to choose to go by any name she wanted.
I totally get the fan fiction thing haha. This one REALLY feels like fan fiction. And yeah, fans that can't get past the encyclopedic view of a franchise... can't see the forest for the trees.
He's trying to have the moral high ground here. The thing is, he shat on the prequels for over 15 years. He's not much better then the people he jabs at.
@@footlessmoonbadger7189 it's called he matured.. We all do stuff when we were younger.
@@footlessmoonbadger7189 Didn't Greedo say in the video that he made like 6 videos making fun of the prequels in like 10 years, and they weren't really serious critique videos but more for comedy?
@@Benjamin0119 exactly
Oh. You liked the movie? ..it was a piece of worm ridden filth...or just plain shit. Lazy writing, poor storyline, crappy acting, well tht sums up the whole sequel trilogy. They treated the audience and fans like they can be gullible to accept crap as long as they slapped 'star wars' logo on it. Just nothing star wars about it. Sad that u can be gullible enough to be scammed by idiots.
Still haven’t revisited this one since the theater.
Same here
@@phil7144 I feel this way about a lot of the Disney era movies, they don’t invite me back like the OT did. Maybe TFA is worth revisiting but it is hard to do, seeing what came afterward.
@@thomasl4270 for real. It’s hard to watch them again
I only own this movie because it came with 4k uhd box set still havent watched it again
I've seen it twice since then. Each time I watched it, I liked it less. Usually, like HG said, I learn to tolerate bad movies more each time I watch them, but each time I watch RoS I notice more and more details that don't add up. It's a complete narrative mess.
Rise of Skywalker needs a director's cut where they add 20 or 30 minutes to the length but don't add any new plot, just give what's there more time to breath and give the characters more time to develop, and give us longer shots so we can actually process what's going on
Yes please. Also, I want to see that weird lava baby head/bug guy that was guarding the wayfinder (and who just showed up in the Darth Vader comic), because that's some weird awesome stuff that SW needs.
@Laura Ashley I’m actually okay with Ben being dead. If your gonna end the “Skywalker” Saga, best to kill off the bloodline, right? Not saying it’s a great story, that’s just how it is.
The movie just needed better editing, pacing, cinematography, action, music, and a sense of true finality that fans could get behind.
Something I have always felt is that we should have seen them as a crew in Episode VII. Would have made us care a bit more.
This one of my favorite videos on TROS. I love how he’s always so level headed even when he doesn’t like something. That’s very rare to find on RUclips nowadays.
JJ and Colin’s scrips should have been combined
They were. Colin has a writing credit for TROS. A few elements carried over.
@@caelinnis He should have added more like Coruscant
@@caelinnis It feels like only 5% of his ideas are in the film.
@@StuartLugsden I agree on that idea. Coruscant would be nice to see. At least have the battle between Rey and Kylo there
@@ShahirHameed In TROS Art of Making TROS JJ did consider the idea of Kylo going to the Jedi Temple/Imperial Palace and encountering large wolfs but then swapped it out for Exegol.
By far the best moment in this movie is when Poe and Finn look at each other and go, "General" "General" at each other. Wish we got way more of them just being friends together
Jeremy Bulloch. Original Boba Fett passed away due to health complications.
We’ve lost the original men behind the helmets of both Vader and Fett in a matter of weeks :(
I’m probably gonna be called sappy but...
Damn.
When I saw that scene of Ben and Han.
“...D-dad...~”
“...I know...”
I bawled my eyes rewatching that part.
I don’t care it’s a mess it’s still got some pretty big moments that made going to see it in theaters a trip. I still remember my second viewing, people actually clapped when Rey and Ben finally kissed.
*sigh*
I miss movie theaters.... 😞
Same. They'll be back
Ben and Han was the only actually perfect scene in the movie. The scene where Rey blew up the ship with force lightning was so close to perfect and actually made me respect the movie, but all that got thrown into the bin when I saw that Chewie was still alive.
That's without a doubt my favourite scene in the movie. I remember realising in the cinema "Oh shit this bit is actually very competently made! Maybe the rest of the movie won't be as bad!"
I wish it kept up that emmotional momentum :(
Probably the only emotional scene in the movie
@@jellybabyman961 what about leia dying, luke and Rey's conversation?
"I didn't have a desire to just pump out videos where I bitched and moaned for an entire year."
That's why you're the only Star Wars RUclipsr I'm subscribed to. I want criticism, not temper tantrums.
Check Star Wars Explained.
Check Thor Skywalker.
*Geeks & Gamers
I personally prefer Star Wars Theory
@Go Away I was actually meaning that they're an example of a channel that does nothing but bitch and moan.
Recently rewatched it too(first time since the theatre) and I totally agree with you. Palpatine's return, no matter how great Ian McDiarmid is, felt totally forced. The whole first half is just a string of one big coincidence and stroke of luck that leads our characters from one item to the next to discover the holocron, that is so poorly executed. And then Kylo destroys it so it was all for nothing anyway. The movie picks up for me when Leia reaches out to Ben and Rey almost kills him. Like you said, that relationship is done really well and it saves the movie for me. From that moment I'm more invested, even though the whole climax gets awfully generic with an uninspired space battle and even a blue sky beam (seriously, enough with that!). Hopefully it will grow on me more over the years, because as the final Skywalker chapter it feels more like a footnote than an epic page of history.
Let’s see how it holds up again for its 10th anniversary.
I honestly want this movie to get the “Justice League” treatment.
@@MediaLoverChris02 A JJ cut?
@@ranman4058 More like I want Trevorrow to remake it.
@@MediaLoverChris02 I’d be down to see that too.
It’ll be like the prequels if it’s lucky. I don’t get a sense of that though. The prequels got meaningful content patches in the form of the Clone Wars series. The supporting material for the sequels has been inconsistent, heavily dumbed downed and unappealing. Disney seems to have dropped development on any supporting content. They got their money so having them fade into the darkness is nothing to them. They’re instead focusing on why Star Wars is a thing at all. The end of Mandalorian season 2 is a good example of this shift.
When you come to the realization that ever star wars movie has dumb shit in it, especially the prequels, it makes enjoying the franchise a lot better
That’s been the case since 1977. Too many people fail to realize why they can’t take the new movies as seriously as they took the old ones they watched as kids.
Star Wars has always been a series of goofy kids films about space wizards. Each trilogy is made for the kids of their time, so just embrace it.
The trick is making people believe that the dumb shit isn’t dumb shit if that makes sense. One shot from a X-Wing blew up the Death Star is dumb shit but it’s told to us in a believable way with a tension filled final act that we get caught up in so we don’t focus on the logic of what’s happening.
Films are like a magic show & directors are magicians. If they fool you & trick you in clever fun ways at that moment then they are doing their job right
@@indiecinemaster4699 that is true I’m so lucky that I was able to grow up with the sequel trilogy and the two anthology films. The only one I didn’t like was solo.
@@darthwarspite8544 I liked Solo, but it's towards the bottom of my picks.
Like you said a year ago Greedo, this film made me appreciate The Last Jedi even more.
Too bad the last movie and most important attempted cleaning up the last jedi.
After seeing TROS I had the same thought. I remember giving TLJ a 2nd chance back in January because of that.
But nope. It didn't enhance my enjoyment of it at all. Just like AOTC being nearly unwatchable doesn't make TPM any better for me now. It is what it is. Everything can't be for everyone.
@@RandomGuy285 At least you tried to give it a second chance.
@@RandomGuy285 same here brother. I literally gave TLJ so many chances that I've lost count of how many times I at least TRIED to watch it... but other than the first time... I've never watch TLJ through the whole thing. It's so bad that it's unwatchable.
@@Idk-fl2ed I’d certainly take it though over TROS or the PT any day of the week.
They often say your enjoyment of a movie (and your day) is mainly the reaction to a couple of key moments. Han's reappearance, plus Luke grabbing the lightsaber and lifting his ship did it for me, so I left RoS relatively happy despite the plot holes.
100% with you on palpatine. No reason to bring him back and plenty not to. Also, its palpatine. The guy who was smart enough to engineer a war where he won if either side won. Worked behind the backs of some of the greatest Jedi Masters of all time. Orchestrated more secret traps than you can count. Blows his guaranteed success by announcing he is back to the universe, before he is even ready to begin taking it over.
I've come to like this movie a whole lot more over this past year. I look forward to a time in 5-10 years, when this trilogy is looked back on a lot more fondly by the next generation of Star Wars fans. I was part of that generation that grew up with the prequels, and it is this generational response that is responsible for so much of Star Wars today. From them bringing back Ewan McGregor, to the renewing of the Clone Wars, and Bad Batch.
I hope that in time, after the dust has settled, that we get a continuation of these characters' stories in some form, instead of resurrecting Ahsoka, Maul and Boba Fett again and again
Loved this trilogy.
There’s a difference. The prequels had bad stuff but they didn’t break the story. This trilogy is gonna get drowned out with the slew of superior marvel movie love to begin with.
@@cesargonzalez3599 I don't think so. Prequels broke some kind of ot line. But well
Your mindset is probably different from many others. I don’t believe this movie will ever be looked back on more fondly. The only reason why people like these movies is nostalgia and lenience.
@@cesargonzalez3599 They definitely broke the story. Episode 3 created so many contradictions alone.
R2D2 not telling anyone he knows the identity of Star Wars Hitler
Obi Wan not recognising R2D2
R2 having rockets, but never using them when they could have helped literally everyone
Luke keeping his birth name despite it being a massive red flag, same with Kenobi
No one picking up on Obi Wan looking like a Jedi, wielding a lightsaber, and using the force, when Jedi would catch a high bounty from the empire
Leia saying she remembered her mother, despite them coexisting for literal seconds
We learn that becoming a force ghost requires lots of training, and even someone who dedicated his life to it like Qui gon could only go half way. But Anakin is able to when he didn't even know force ghosts were a thing when he died?
Also, movies coexist you know. More than one movie came out in 1977.
MCU movies also came out in 2015, and 2017, but were hardly the highest earners that year
Is this just how things are *ALWAYS* going to be with Star Wars movies after the OT? A decade of controversy, violence and complete inability to respect opinions until the kids who grew up with them are old enough to have to have their voices heard and then they're suddenly the second coming of Jesus?
Meh it's not a big deal
probably
Sadly yes. Star Wars fans are fucked up like that.
I mean I think it really will depend on how much kids growing up with these movies around them, are attached to them. Say what you will about the prequels but there was an entire generation that grew up with those movies and loved them.
This won't happen a second time , the prequel generation was raised by OTs who bought them toys and watched it over and over again before 1 2 3 came out , the prequel generation had a much more different exposure to SW. Sequel gen won't be playing with toys since nobody bought them and a fraction of the fanbase rewatch it. And another hint is clone wars making 6years +1 and initially was canceled by Disney in the " cancel EU move" not because it was bad while resistance was canceled in the midst of second season cuz nobody was watching.... nothing is certain but the social structure is different.
5:55 Someone on RUclips is okay with you enjoying something they don't? My lord, is that...legal?
This trilogy is a cold, executive exercise. I don't even see them as movies, even when some of them has some cinematograpic values in them.
The prequel trilogy (1999-2005)
@@ziemayet lmao fuck off the sequels make zero sense and you know it. The fight choreography in the prequels is amazing, the story is cohesive and makes sense. The Force Awakens is a complete fucking rehash. Ruin Johnson turned Luke into a fucking loser. The lightsaber fights aren't lightsaber fights, they're like watching 2 drunk people swing baseball bats at eachother. It shits all over 1-6. Why didn't Anakin just force heal Padme? Why didn't Luke force heal his hand?
@@ziemayet love the prequels. They at least feel like Star Wars.
@@Deathstock stay mad
"cold executive exercise"
Uh huh that's why Rian Johnson poured his heart and soul into TLJ right? Because it must be just purely for money.
It sounds like the video is about to end because it was like outro movie playing in the background of the entire video
I actually rewatched this today and, tbh, I liked it much more. Most of it seemed to make more sense I guess and I appreciate the cool bits like Ben and Rey’s relationship, Po and Finn’s relationship, how good everything looks, and the whole “I am all the Jedi” bit. I don’t really know why I guess. It’s now right up there with TFA for me and I recommend everyone goes and watches it again.
On a visceral level and in terms of neat things I'd like to see pop up elsewhere in the franchise, I enjoyed The Rise of Skywalker well enough. Zorii Bliss could have some fun adventures, I'd like to see where Lando & Jenna go, "two-places at once" is one of the coolest force abilities I've seen in a while, the Resistance's entrance to the final battle was perfectly dire, and even Rey Skywalker as a wanderer could be enjoyable. Not nearly as great as the lost opportunity that was "Rey from nowhere," but it could still be a good time. Even though Luke's end in TLJ was the perfect arc sendoff for him, finally "believing it" and lifting the X-Wing was also satisfying.
On a story level, however, I was sorely disappointed. I do not subscribe to the notion that "Well they did the best the could after having to correct-course from The Last Jedi," but rather I feel TLJ was a brilliant setup for the Saga finale. It wrapped up some new story threads in order for Ep 9 to more effectively wrap up the Skywalker Saga, and just about anything could've happened from there. Unfortunately, as far as I'm concerned, Abrams & Terrio fumbled the play in that regard. Between this and BvS, I never want to see Terrio do a screenplay for a major pop culture touchstone ever again.
I will never understand why they couldn’t take their time with the finale. You have a responsibility as a storyteller to honor the legacy of this franchise and if you insist on ending it here, at least make it worthwhile.
Furthermore, leave it more open-ended for future films. Sure; eliminate the Empire for good but killing off every single Skywalker by movies’ end? And no, Rey Palpatine ain’t ever gonna be a Skywalker I’m sorry.
They should have taken their time with the entire trilogy.
@@mechanomics2649 Yeah, lets say...30 or 40 years. And probably if it hadn't been made by Disney could have helped a lot.
@@mechanomics2649 Both previous trilogies had three years between each movie, while the sequels only had two. It's obvious that Disney didn't care and just wanted to pump out a new movie every year for that sweet $$$ instead of taking the time to plan everything and make each movie as good as it could be.
*Palpatine* "IM BACK". All of us...... *its treason then*
Arnuld: "that's MY LINE".
We live in a galaxy far, far away . . .
*BOTTOM AUREBESH*
What's arubesh?
You mean aurebesh?
@@CT7056 Ah, yes. Thank you.
say what you will, the Prequels funny videos is what made me follow this channel, but the dude's good commentary is what made me stay
Considering that practically every video that contained leaks that were later proven accurate were filled with comments from people claiming that the information was “obviously fake” or was “ridiculous” is a good indication of the general overall opinion of most Star Wars fans toward the movie. Basically, you probably aren’t in the minority when you say that there were more parts you didn’t like than parts you did.
Personally, I felt that if you gave a kid a BUNCH of Star Wars toys to play with all day, watched as they made up their own little narrative as the played, and then turned that “playtime adventure” into a full blown movie, this is what you’d get. It was a random, spontaneous stream of consciousness that didn’t really continue anything previously set in motion by previous films and really only excelled at introducing a LOT of new nonesensical plot holes as part of canon. It made it obvious that either the writers were VERY bad writers, or they REALLY didn’t even know much of anything about Star Wars and decided not to put much effort into the work that they did do for the project.
The Last Jedi Luke is some of the best things this trilogy offered, hopefully with time people will appreciate that.
No we won't.
Rise of Skywalker is an interesting experiment in which we got to see what it would actually look like if internet forum fan-fiction got made into a huge blockbuster movie.
Funny thing is that it's arguably all fanfic now. Rogue One, Solo, The Mandalorian, etc.
@@AbjectPermanence yeah, but those were decent to good.
@@AbjectPermanence Yeah, arguably any franchise that isn't being created by its original creator is "fan-fiction." But RoS is essentially the equivalent to the type of fan-fiction found several pages deep in an internet fan forum.
Fr thats what the toxic ass fans wanter
@@jasonshaneyfelt1039 Exactly. Fanfiction does get a bad rep a lot of the time because, well yeah there's a lot of shit that gets made, but it can be good. There's a lot more talent there than people recognize. But yeah, this is the kind of fanfic that you'd find a few pages away from the good stuff with a way too long and personal notes section and a bunch of grammar and spelling mistakes. The movie feels like the work of a wide-eyed amateur who's got some growing up to do, not a professional working in the film industry.
I love the Rise Of Skywalker
They should have just made Snoke Darth Plagueis, after all Palpatine even said "To cheat death is only an ability one has discovered", it would have been far more interesting, it would have made more sense, and it wouldn't have undermined Anakin's legacy.
In the end I will always have mixed feelings towars this trilogy. Loved some things, hated other things. I must admit that I really love The Force Awakens though
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When I first heard the “they fly now” line, I was always took it as those specific troopers who were chasing them. Not troopers as a whole
New points of view can help one enjoy things more. I never thought of it this way.
I mean, I can see people thinking that. I just can't help but think that that's just as weird since they were just standard jet troopers. They shouldn't have been anything new.
Also, these are First Order jet troopers. These guys never saw Imperial jet troopers, much less clones on mandalorians.
Same
It's good to have your mind open for a few of such possibilities, so it won't feel like you fell into a pothole just because your gait takes up the whole damn road and scans for every little bump. Typically people call things plot holes when it's simply something that maybe you wouldn't have to think hard to rationalize if thinking wasn't hard for you to begin with.
But, they're not wrong. People want a smooth ride and that's why they aren't reading a book instead, or parsing together some DnD lore from scraps. My problem with the line itself was that it WAS like a scrapping from some career committee writer's big box of cliches. In my opinion writers' rooms exist for the sole purpose of when somebody is about to go with that kind of line, the group gets together and come up with something more novel. It was one step above "aww, heyell naw!".
Yes, star wars characters should be aware that JET PACKS EXIST. They would have to be borderline vegetative to not know this. It's like not knowing that electric cars exist on earth or something.
You mentioned the thing that’s hardest to shake on the film and really carries it to a mild thumbs up for me, which is the cast and their chemistry. They are all great and they all work incredibly well together and it’s fun watching the three of them go on an adventure, even if the adventure doesn’t really work out all that well.
And this is where the movie really owes the first two installments, cause if you started like this, it’d have been a disaster, but I left those movies liking all of them so much it’s impossible to really hate watching them do anything. Just like how in reverse it’s impossible to care about the prequels cause none of that cast has a sliver of chemistry.
I am so confused on how your voice is so clear, especially with the helmet on.
He does the audio in post
@@exilestudios9546 WHAT???!!!
I believe he records the audio separately, and just plays it over the video recording. It's a bit noticable at times, but it's still cool.
@@russellharrell2747 look at 10:22 when he talks about vitamin, looks pretty obvious !
@@ernst-filipmichel9744 Looked fine to me and not obvious. Could he have a microphone in the helmet?
In most cases I've observed, people who loved The Last Jedi disliked The Rise of Skywalker, so I'm not so surprised you don't like ep9. I loved The Force Awakens and was meh towards The Last Jedi and i love The Rise of Skywalker. I like the Abrams energy and banter, it feels like an adventure. Like Doctor Who a bit - just relax and enjoy the ride; don't sweat the small stuff.
A big part of that is the fact that a lot of what happened in the Last Jedi was retconned in Rise of Skywalker. As much as people don’t like what happened in that film, in the last entry in a trilogy, trying to push and pull between directors and changing things at the last minute ruins any consistency in the series.
You shouldn’t retcon ideas you don’t like in a series sometimes, you should attempt to build on them in the last one because it’s the end, it’s too late to introduce or change things.
Like you can make Palpatine your main villain again, but you need to set it up during the earlier movies not the last one, you can have Rey be his granddaughter I guess but yet again it needs to be set up earlier and not retconned at the end.
(I should point out, I do like the Last Jedi but recognise it’s a very flawed film, I defs don’t like the Rise of Skywalker in comparison but I don’t hate it)
“Somehow Palpatine returned”
How do you do your voice? Is there a mic in your helmet? Or are you doing physical gestures after you record your voice?
Not HelloGreedo, but I believe he once said that he records the audio first and then mimes along with it (or something like that) when he records the video. I may be misremembering, though.
One year later and every Star Wars fan and even Disney is trying to erase it from their memories.
It was worse than Holiday special
One year later and Disney is making connections with it in Mandalorian, has the Vader comics explore exegol and many other aspects, has a movie that is going to take place after it. Also most fans like it. In the end you are an ignorant fool
@@deadshot5007 um no?
@@isaacholland6587 Why no? Literally all I said are facts.
@@deadshot5007 were not ignorant, we just would have preferred better planned movies, Admiral Holdo....
I'm glad you're able to accept... and embrace. That is wise (and of the Light Side of the Force). ☮️ Keep focusing on what you like and love (this is the way)!
That “Next” cut made me lol! Love your perspective and I agree. Also love your comedy!
Rey being a Palpatine really hit me harder than most people I talk to. I think you’re absolutely right: the concept that she was truly a nobody, with no significant connection to pre-established characters was a great plot point and had an outstanding cinematic message. You don’t have to be a Skywalker, Palpatine, Kenobi, etc. to do something cool and make a huge impact in the galaxy. Would’ve been such a great message to the audience but nope, JJ had to make his fan fiction come true because... honestly I don’t even know why. Sure, overcoming your family history is strong too, but the idea established in TLJ was just so good... oh well.
I was hoping I’d enjoy it more but it’s gotten worse for me as time has gone on. My best positive I can give is that it made me appreciate TLJ a lot more.
Fucking same man. TFA and TLJ have different qualities to them, but I can enjoy them in that way. TROS is just generic and uninspired.
A-freaking-men.
It made me hate TLJ more. I was mostly on board with the portrayal of Luke and I liked the Rey/Kylo dynamic, but they way that they destroyed the whole Resistance because Finn and Poe were idiots had to pay off really well in TRoS, but it didn’t.
I did like this movie, but I also was kind of disappointed. I felt like too many great ideas from the Last Jedi were thrown into the trashcan to appease the angry part of the fanbase, so the movie ended up being a big fan service.
Out of curiosity what good idea do you think should have been developed?
@@harley2166
1. Rey being a nobody was much better, than her being Palpatine's graddaughter.
2. Kylo should have been the main villain of the Episode 9, instead of Palpatine.
3. They should've developed Finn's character further, instead of abandoning him.
These are just few examples.
@@emperorpalpatine6239 Poe Dameron as the leader of the Resistance
@@harley2166 won't know if it would have been a better narrative. But the Trevorrow script ideas were good and I feel would have been a better trilogy.
@@njm203 I think it would've been better as well, but a few changes needed to be made. First: no Rey and Poe romance, just no. Second: have tor valum (character created for Trevorrow's film) be darth plagus (don't know how to spell the name). Third no chewie flying a x-wing, and finally no last name reveal for Rey, I don't think it really adds anything personally.
I think Palpatine needed to come back to make the sequels work with the rest of the saga, but the execution was worse than leaving him out
In my opinion, this movie really suffers from SW8. In every other trilogy, the second movie actually had an impact on the overall story. But in this case, it just didn't. I personally just see it as a look at the character development of Rey and Kylo without actually being massively relavent. Rian Johnson created a new movie, a new concept and therefore a completely new story for the sequel trilogy. The Rise of Skywalker just tries to make up for the choices made in SW8.
Palps coming back is a great concept, but trying to stuff everything in one movie was just a little bit to much. The way he died shows that perfectly. That dude is a freaking beast, but his death made him look so damne weak. JUST STOP ZAPPING BRO!!! The last Jedi would have been a great opportunity to build the story. Unfortunately, it didn't.
Overall: yes, the movie has certain problems, but my fan heart tells me to like this chaotic movie. The characters were in a great harmony. The jokes weren't too much (and actually funny this time). Overall I had a mostly good feeling about this 😉. For me 7/10 points
The idea that the previous movie is somehow a detriment to this one is a cop-out. Great storytellers can tell great stories, regardless of the material they're handed.
And the notion that Last Jedi didn't take the story anywhere is just wrong. At it's most basic level Star Wars has always been character driven, I don't think that basic fact is in dispute. The original trilogy isn't really about the rebellion, it's about the personal journeys of a few people who happen to be fighting in it. Notice how we spend almost zero time with the rebel fleet after the escape from Hoth, instead following the Millenium Falcon crew and Luke? And the climax of Return of the Jedi isn't blowing up the Death Star, it's Luke turning his father back from the Dark Side. We only care about the Galactic Civil War to the extent that Luke, Han and Leia are involved in it.
Character development is where The Last Jedi truly shines. Consider the story arcs.
Rey is so focused on finding family, and finding a place to belong, that she lets Kylo manipulate her into helping him overthrow Snoke and seize power. She sees her mistake when she realizes that he had no intention of joining the resistance, and was thinking only of his own interests. And at the end of the film, she both literally and metaphorically closes the door on his offer before deciding that her place is with Leia and the Resistance.
Poe is a brilliant pilot, but temporary victories (the Resistance was still in trouble even after they blew up the Dreadnaught, because the First Order was tracking them with a much larger and presumably more dangerous ship) are more important to him than the lives of his subordinates and he fails to see the war outside of the context of the battle he's currently fighting. But then he sees how his ill-conceived attempt at a heroic side quest failed, and Holdo's plan would have succeeded (her belief that the First Order isn't monitoring for small transports is proven correct, because Snoke's ship wasn't looking for the shuttles until the Codebreaker's betrayal, and the movie makes it pretty clear that Crait is uncharted) if he hadn't fucked it up, he understands that empty heroics aren't as important as surviving to fight another day.
Finn only went to the Starkiller base in the last movie to save Rey, something he doesn't take great pains to keep secret (which is why I'm honestly a little astonished when people seem surprised she's his only concern at the onset of Last Jedi). And he only goes on the casino sidequest in this movie to help her (he was being dragged to the brig before he and Rose came up with that plan, so going on that mission is his only alternative to imprisonment, and later he says "it will save the fleet AND it will save Rey"). Throughout the mission, Rose's dedication to the resistance is juxtaposed with the Codebreaker's selfishness, and when he sees the hope the Resistance symbol inspires, and after the Codebreaker's refusal to pick a side aligns him with the bad guys be default, Finn chooses the Resistance over himself.
Luke begins the story a bitter and broken man, haunted by one stupid mistake (and since I know it's going to be an issue, it's worth pointing out that he never actually tried to kill his nephew. Listen to the dialogue in the third flashback. He thinks about it long enough to ignite his lightsaber, and is then overcome with shame that it even crossed his mind. Kylo turned on Luke after misinterpreting the situation), but in the end, he is made to understand that withdrawing from the conflict was a mistake, and he becomes the epic hero that we all wanted from the beginning.
So your argument only has merit if you assume that Resistance vs First Order is the only story. Rian Johnson simply felt advancing the characters was more interesting than advancing the galactic conflict, and I happen to agree.
And I happen to think Last Jedi left plenty of content for a sequel. Rey decides she belongs with her friends in the Resistance, but she's still headstrong and inexperienced. At the end of Finn's character arc, he's basically where Poe was at the beginning of the movie, dedicated to the cause, but stubborn and unable to see the big picture. And Poe now cares about the lives of his troops, but he's still more concerned with destroying the First Order than restoring the Republic (Holdo says "We are the spark that will light the fire that will restore the Republice," whereas Poe is like "We are the spark that will light the fire that will burn the First Order down). For a talented filmmaker who wants to tell a compelling story, and isn't concerned with pleasing a minority of angry fanboys, there's plenty of places to go with those character arcs. Last Jedi is categorically NOT the problem with Rise of Skywalker
@@pcooley109 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@pcooley109 As I've written, I see TLJ as a character development. And you're right, TLJ had an impact on the treatment of characters, but even there some decisions that were made were so upsetting..... Mostly how Luke was portrayed in the beginning: Yes, he was suffering, but (as Mark Hamill said in an interview) Luke never gives up hope. In TLJ he had given up completely, which was shown in a way that I will never understand... Why did he make "fun" of the force? Why did he act like he didn't care about anything bad happening (first at least)?
Some characters really were developing during this movie, others were just there...
Of course, in a franchise like Star Wars characters really have an impact on how well a movie is excepted by the fans, in this case some were the reason why the movie didn't do anything for me.....
I also must say, I was really expecting the sequel trilogy to end the skywalker saga in an epic and glorious way (The WHOLE trilogy should have ended the saga). Episode 7 had an amazing start, episode 8 tried something different and new. That's why TROS happened like we've seen it, and that's also why TROS had no story to build on (and that's a fact, cause what did the movie leave behind? bad jokes, dumb story/characters that were destroyed.....
The only reason it suffers from 8 is because it tried to retcon as much stuff as possible from that movie
All they needed was a proper roadmap. Each director can still implement their visions and can stand out, but there needed to be a consistent storyline or at least someone to stay with all three films to co-write the story. Lucas did just that with the OG trilogy, being the main story creator for the two sequels. Not everything Lucas planned initially happened, but he was always there to keep things as consistent as possible.
That’s what the ST needed. Instead, they gave filmmakers too much freedom to do what they wanted, and relied on the reactions of a toxic fanbase that didn’t know what they wanted. As a result, we’ve ended up with a trilogy that does so much right and so much wrong.
This whole cloning Palpatine part in legends was the most boring. From all the Legend material Disney picket the most boring one
Dark empire as a comic, encapsulated for me the worst stuff about legends. It’s presentation of Luke, boba fett just showing up, The Emperor, world destroyers. Just a bad story
Funny thing is the fact that Filoni is just going with the good part of legends
@@TheParadoxGamer1 Thrawn
Yup, I hated the clones
@@davidjacobs8558
HelloGreedo said in the very beginning of the film that there were plenty of ways to go off from where Last Jedi left off. But do stay ignorant I suppose.
“Legends” brought back Palpatine 25 years ago, and it was already dumb back then.
Wanna hear a sad story? When i got out of the theaters after watching Force Awakens the first thing a said to my wife was "Im so glad they got rid of that Palpatine is back thing from Dark Empire! That was so lame but this is a whole new thing! Awesome!".
Im so dumb. For real
Lucas Alves « this is a whole new thing » TFA was literally a copy of ANH
@@bretonfou7046 I was talking about Palpatine not returning and comparing it to Dark Empire. The movie plot was basically a copy indeed. But that wasn't my point. They did bring new things to post epi 6 canon like the first order and snoke.
Lucas Alves Yeah I know it wasn’t your point, just found it funny that someone would say that.
Ikr when Palpatine was announced to be in the movie I though: they won't be so dumb to use such a dumb plot point from the EU. And then I saw the movie...
If they wouldn't have introduced all the Palpatine stuff, creating the numerous plot issues that had to be explained away and the convoluted arcs it required, they would've have had more time to devote to the things that really narratively mattered. Like Finn and his relationship with the First Order. And the Rey/Kylo dynamic, which was the real heart of the story and in my opinion the most interesting plotline of the entire sequel trilogy.
I'm with you on this. Bringing Palpatine back strikes me as the kind of idea that seems "safe" when you're thinking it up, but it ends up coming off as lazy and formulaic. "Uh oh, we killed off Snoke in the last one, so now we need somebody to fill the big-bad Emperor kind of role." then somebody said, "Well hey, what about THE Emperor?" I think a better question in that scenario might have been "Who says we need to have someone filling the slot of big-bad Emperor? Is there some other direction we could take the story?"
The Last Jedi really made it look like they were going to do something like that... instead of being the kind of good-vs-evil story where the good guys are flawlessly good and the bad guys are pure evil. Luke was disillusioned about the Jedi. The Resistance was in-fighting itself to death, and that side-quest to the casino planet was a total bust. Rey was a nobody from a family of nobodies. Kylo turned on Snoke, like how Vader turned on Palpatine, except instead of being a redeeming self-sacrifice, it was a self-serving power grab... so maybe the next movie would all revolve around an inner conflict in Kylo, the same way the last third of Return of the Jedi had that conflict in Darth Vader as the driving force of that piece of the narrative. All of those things mirror the Orig-Trig, but in a backwards, bizarro kinda way. I thought that was a great concept and I was looking forward to how it would conclude.
Then Rise comes along and says, "Nah, just kidding."
Can't wait for "The Rise of Skywalker TWO YEARS LATER!" :p
Me too
I like to think that Rise of Skywalker is both the best and worst of the sequel trilogy. It's the most fun, but makes the least amount of sense.
It makes a lot of sense to me...
@@indiecinemaster4699 Sure. If they were building up to this from the start. They were not.
Just look at all the last minute plot points included to shoehorn Palpatine into the movie.
- Palpatine cloned himself.
- Palpatine created Snoke.
- Palpatine is Rey's grandfather.
- Palpatine was every voices inside Kylo's head.
Palpatine Palpatine Palpatine...
It's not just lazy, it destroys everything we find intriguing about the characters. Especially Snoke. He doesn't have an identity anymore, because the movie shoved down our throats that he was nothing more than Palpatine 2.0.
But like I said. It was pretty fun. But so were the prequels and they had a coherent story backing them. I'd like to hear your thoughts though.
When they killed Hans in the first part of the trilogy, I feel like they set us up for “this is going to be different...get ready....” but then when they just rehashed old character it really magnified that lack of creativity.
I am with you that the EP being back really didn’t do it for me but.... if it works for someone else that is cool too
There are no bad movies. People just don't watch them enough times. 😂
2:19 You’re wrong. Sorry I almost forgot thanks for the reminder.
@@Megajoshuaw kinda why his sub count hasn't moved in 5 years lol
Michael modaffari I unsubbed because I got tired of the most fucking bland takes and muh themes bullshit. Idk how someone has ep4 at the top of their list and also like lightspeed skipping. They're polar fucking opposite and cene the character IN said film even points out that it's not a good idea.
@@patrioticcat5768 i don't understand how greedo is an original trilogy type of guy, so I thought he'd be more protective of a character like Luke skywalker. The last jedi, til this day fundamentally destroyed Star Wars and created this huge, HUGE divide between generational star wars fans. He can't even elaborate like most sequel defenders on why "subverting expectations" was a good thing. Star wars is forumumatic in its success so why go against the grain.
@@michaelmodaffari3624 yeah because that's what he should do, not stick to his actual opinions and just go with the ones that the most vocal groups of fans want so he can get more subscribers, that's totally the mark of a good person.
I have a lot of respect for your honest, solid and thought through opinions, HelloGreedo. Thank you. You're a voice of reason and (not afraid to use that word) wisdom in this crazy fandom. Not to mention that I have almost the same thoughts about SW movies overall. I love em, each for it's own but they have their flaws and we can talk about it in a civilized and adult manner.
The worst sin of the movie is that they didn't cap off with a character saying “finally, the Star Wars are over”.
I don't hate Palpatine being back, but I do hate how they handled it. From parading him out on stage, to essentially skipping over his return in the opening credits, only making his public message available in Fortnite, and poorly communicating who Kylo is fighting at the start of the movie, it was really messy. The audience should have found out when Ben found out, so that we can feel part of the shock and awe that he did.
I still think this movie is far better than any of the prequels.
Next up: RoS 10 years later
Yes ten years later people will love this as much as the phantom menace after 20 years
Maybe it will take a long while for people to change their minds about the sequel trilogy. They trashed both Return Of The Jedi and Revenge Of The Sith at first, too.
While I still really respect your opinion and get where you're coming from, I have to disagree with you here.
I was also hesitant with Palpatine coming back, but actually really enjoyed how he was used in the movie. TROS is a mess, but it's just a blast to watch, and it really works for me on an emotional level. It also made me enjoy TLJ a lot more retrospectively. I liked TROS on first viewing, really liked it on the second, and have loved it more with each subsequent viewing. It's slowly become my favourite Sequel, though I know I'm in the minority with that.
Interesting comments as I’m in sort of the same boat. Where I may differ is the 3 ST movies just don’t work as a Trilogy or ‘part’ of the Saga. I guess the best way to sum up my feelings on the PT and ST: The PT movies are all flawed but they work as a cohesive story and tie in nicely with the OT. The ST movies are all very entertaining standalone movies, but I just can’t find a reason, a theme, an overreaching arc that ties them with 1-6. If that makes sense?
@@chrisolivo6591 that's fair. The way I see it is that the Sequel Trilogy is ultimately about legacy. The legacy and glorification of the past is explored heavily in all 3 movies. TFA treats what came before it with reference and builds up our expectations. TLJ subverts those expectations and challenges how we see and idealise heroes/legends. TROS does a bit of both, and is ultimately a celebration of Star Wars as a whole.
Legacy isn't the main theme of the trilogy, but it's how I see it connects to the rest of the saga. The PT is about the rise of the Sith and the Empire. The OT is about bringing them down, and the ST is about stopping them from returning.
Not to start an argument just for the sake of starting one, but I'm genuinely curious: Just HOW did TROS let you enjoy The Last Jedi a lot more? The entire first half of the movie was a giant Last Jedi Apology Tour, which I personally enjoyed and thought was necessary. But it was actively fighting the previous installment, so how is it possible to like both?
@@davidlundquist1979 other than Rey Palpatine, I don't really see what there is that you saw as fighting TLJ. I just liked how it continued many of TLJ's ideas, and thought it concluded the trilogy very well, which allowed me to make peace with the direction that TLJ took.
in ten years people will look at this movie the same way we look at Attack of the Clones
You mean Revenge of the sith
@@AyanKhan-og3sd I thought people like RotS
people don't mind aotc
My list of the saga in order excluding the non saga movies 1 obviously my favorite
1. Revenge of the Sith
2. Empire strike's back
3. A new hope
4. Return of the Jedi
5. Phantom menace
6. Force awakens
7. Attack of the clones
8. Rise of Skywalker
9. The last jedi
JJ is great at seeing up mysteries but terrible at actually paying them off.
yeah right? Who thought it was a good idea to bring him back?
It wasn't his fault. What we got was not his version of the movie. Lol...people seem to forget real quick or never read about it. The version we got was heavily altered and edited. JJ was pissed.
@@michaelmodaffari3624 Did you get that off of some RUclips channel with no validity?
@@indiecinemaster4699 did you get your feelings hurt because you liked that dumpster fire of a movie? Sorry you can't handle the truth
@@michaelmodaffari3624 Stop trolling. What the hell does my liking of a film have to do with bullshit rumors? Where the hell was that J.J. stuff even said? MIKE ZEROH? CosmicBookNews? Geeks&Gamers?
Damn it doesn’t feel like it’s been a year because I haven’t stopped being angry at this movie
I think there's 2 major differences between "trashing the prequels for a decade" versus "trashing the sequels". The first being the amount of time, and the second being the amount of official SW content that came out in those eras.
During the prequels, there was only the clone wars tv show and animated movie, and a few video games that weren't really related to that storyline. Versus the amount of comics, books, video games, non main storyline movies, and shows that we've got.
Basically, we got more content to distract us from the sequels flaws, instead of the prequel era where there wasn't very much to distract from the movies.
I agree 100% re Palpatine. I have no clue why they went that route.
But....you liked this more than Rogue One? “Well, then you ARE lost!”
Ikr rouge one is a top 3 Star Wars movie
@@thatrandomnoob8611 You are totally entitled to your opinion but in my point of view still doesn’t beat the original 3. Definitely belongs to top 5 though, it is a very sturdy movie
@@thatrandomnoob8611 I agree with you. Empire above all else rogue one second
Rogue One was about something - the sacrifices of a few brave, ordinary people who weren’t part of the “main story” and did not win a happy ending for themselves. The original trilogy was about a son’s faith in his father. The prequel trilogy was about the fall of a hero. I have no idea what the sequel trilogy is supposed to be about. I haven’t watched Rise of Skywalker, but it doesn’t sound like it makes the previous two films make any more sense.
No he is actually smart bruh. ROS is way better than R1. It actually has good characters
Thank you, I feel like I'm going crazy sometimes with all these videos ranking Rise Of Skywalker high on their lists (and Last Jedi low of course). I just feel like TLJ tried to be an actual movie where ROS just wanted to be a Star Wars.
It's because a lot of people think a good Star Wars movie is "wave thing I know in front of the camera."
See also the Darth Vader hallway scene in Rogue One being considered one of the GREATEST STAR WARS MOMENTS EVAR. Although now whenever I watch A New Hope I like to joke that everything he did in the hallway wore him out and he's tired so he just chokes a guy with his hand.
Who the hell thinks ROS wanted to ne Star Wars? it’s the universally the least liked movie because of how bad it lore with no effin regard lol
All they needed to do was just bring back Snoke and make him Plagueis. Would have been a different direction, made sense, First Order would still be the main bad guys, no bringing back Palpatine, and you can go in a different direction that isn't 'the Emperor loses again.'
Honestly I think that would have fixed the movie for me as well.
Star Wars fans deserve Rise of Skywalker
I and MANY others love it, but the haters who are toxic fans kinda earned this karma.
It is a mess, I absolutely love TLJ and seeing TROS revert almost everything from TLJ destroyed me in the theater.
Couple of good stuff like Han&Kylo here and there though.
Well what were they meant to do for the last one? TLJ got rid of absolutely everything TFA (As bad as it was) set up
@@dylanimatio TLJ didnt get rid of TFA, it may have continued it in a different way but it was still natural progression. TROS just reversed that progression and it’s just a mess with many pointless storylines and exposition. Like HelloGreedo says, it was an unnatural continuation.
hell TROS even retconned parts of TFA and itself. how such a painfully inconsistent final act came to be still haunts me a year later.
@@indistraction5414 It haunts me too, I try not to think about it
@@atcnaydn how?
By that definition of fan fiction I feel like The Mandalorian fits that criteria more personally
It's okay to be wrong
Mandelorian actually feels like starwars
Touché
@@dancingvalkyrie
I love how no one really can throw a counter argument to him. He's actually right.
Yes, Ep IX sucks and The Mandalorian is good. But thinking that a CGI Mark Hamill slicing cgi dark troopers in the most cheesy way is good writing... Oh well, what a joke that would be.
@@t3jf So does ROS lol and honestly I prefer ROS more than Mando season 1
7:36 what’s that poster in the back left, I like that style
Love the video & feel the same way, man. One of my favorite things about your channel is how you make efforts to see things in positive light, we could all use that optimism when faced with something distasteful to some of us. I think they only comment I would disagree with is your last one about fandom's with an encyclopedic view should unbuckle & have some fun, only because I would argue that there are films/shows that have done their research & still entertain us - granted JJ & co. were put in a tough spot but like you said, they could have gone about it in so many other ways. We get more Star Wars & more Star Wars is always a good thing. Cheers man!
*HelloGreedo (years ago):* I cannot think of a bigger waist of time than debating art.
*HelloGreedo (now):* The Rise of Skywalker is not what I'm looking for in Star Wars. It's "generic".
_Subjectivetism_
He really should have cut that line from that video. I mean if debating art is pointless then why make a whole channel revolving around star wars; a film; art.
Out of curiosity, what video did he say the first statement?
He literally said in a video about toxic fans that it’s ok to debate film it’s when it consumes you to the point where it defines you when it becomes a problem
@@directorforplastic7929 I just heard in Mauler's Critique of TFA ruclips.net/video/95mL3us0HSQ/видео.html
Should’ve just made snoke darth plaguies
11:56 my words exactly. Also I don’t get how they hated the “they fly now” line and said it was so unfunny, but they defend the fart jokes in phantom menace smdh
Kylie basically went from, “This character has the dumbest lightsaber ever” to “This is my favorite character.” I still love other the other characters but Adam Driver seemed to stand out the most for me.
Although as Kreia said, “Apathy is death, worse than death as even a rotting corpse can feed the beasts and insects.”
As for me, I might watch it again but when I saw it in theaters I saw it in 4DX so seeing it again on Disney Plus or blu-ray probably won’t live up to the first time. I still won’t hate it, but I’ll probably just be like, “Yeah that was a fun ride that I won’t forget, but I’m not going to say it’s the peak of Star Wars.”
I remember when I saw Kylo’s lightsaber I thought “that looks dangerous, I don’t think I could hold it without cutting my fingers off.” But yeah, he’s easily everyone’s favorite character to come out of the sequel trilogy, and Adam Driver did a great job, even playing Kylo on SNL