McLaren 720S - quicker than a Ferrari 488 Pista? | evo LEADERBOARD
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- 2017's evo Car of the Year finally heads to Anglesey circuit to set a lap time on the evo Leaderboard.
Fitted with its standard Pirelli Corsa tyres rather than the optional Trofeo R rubber can the 720S get close the Ferrari 488 Pista (on Cup 2s) time? Steve Sutcliffe finds out.
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Hey silly question, but where did u find your picture 😅
Costly
@J0B0 not really
7 seconds into this lap and I have goosebumps all over me. 😳 God I love that car.
The 720s set the benchmark for the supercar league imo
Mclaren still claiming “only” 710hp on this car, dynos show 780-790 when converted
Thats usually normal with german manufacturers. It's usually Ferrari amd Aston Martin who lie about their horsepower
@@richboy900 *it's Ferrari and Aston Martin who are honest about horsepower. For the last two decades, both manufacturers' cars have produced claimed crank horsepower on the dyno. If the world wants to switch to wheel horsepower as the new standard, that's fine, but don't blame Ferrari, Aston Martin, et al. for using the standard that's been around for 100 years.
Its because mclaren quote wheel horsepower unlike everyone else as that the only number that matters....
Not this time. The 488 pista has been dynoed putting out around 640whp. The 720s has dynoed between 690-700whp.
And still slower than Ferrari 488 Pista!!!!!!
Definitely we need more evo LEADERBOARD! Cheers 🍻
Steve Sutcliffe is such a superb reviewer, I wish we could see more of his great driving. He entertains in a similar way to Chris Harris and has such a soothing voice :)
Looking forward to the 765LT lap! Good to have the evo videos back!
Steve is just the best.
No Chris Harris is the best. Period.
@@ImMikoFreako Mate even Harris says Sutcliffe is untouchable.
5thgearouttahere in what way?
@@5thgearouttahere That's because he's humble. Harris is a vastly superior and far more entertaining car journalist. His insights and descriptions of cars are second to none, and he's not a bad driver either.
BeyerT1 I can’t stand the guy and would watch anything else presented by Sutcliffe or Catchpole any day of the week.
I’d even put Dickie Meaden, Jethro Bovingdon and Harry Metcalfe above Harris.
But its just a persobal prefference because I can’t stand shouty personas.
Omg his voice is like butter.
I call it the Attenborough of cars.
How about my voice?
@@osamabinladen824 *run away*
I have to agree with you. It is definitely a competitive advantage he holds over others!
@@board.member who is the voice?
I mean the 720s technically goes vs the 488. The 488 pista should go against the 765LT 🤷🏾♂️ McLaren are always a step ahead of Ferrari in the super car world
yeah but at least ferrari mostly work
Shouldn't it be 458/MP4, 488/650, and now 720/F8?
McLaren released cars at a far quicker rate than Ferrari.
@@DanyilTopo
Yeah sure. The 488 was only produced for 4 years. They had to scrap it because it was so much slower than the 720 S. The F8 Tributo that you can buy, not the Ferrari press car, will still be slower than the 720 S.
@@braven7426 Scrap it? It remained in production for 4 years, like all the other recent Ferrari V8s. Chances are the F8 is gonna be as fast as the 720, that's why they are already releasing the 765. McLaren is obsessed with being quicker than Ferrari, and they are killing their own used cars values with this strategy.
Me Me @ not really, they still sold more 488gtb than 720s and it’s direct competition is 650s
The 765LT will be an absolute beast
And most uncomfortable thing in the world....
@@campkira not a mclaren mate
Sadly it is a mclaren lmao 20% down in price in the first year with multiple quality issues🤣🙈
campkira Well, it’s built for the track so i’d hope so...
campkira rubbish.
488 pista TOP
765LT is going to kill that time
Too bad they aren't selling any due some reliability and depreciation.
It would be hand down the best on the market
Depreciation is McLaren's fault. They are obsessed with releasing new cars at a far faster rate than anybody else, so that they can always be the quickest, but they are killing their own market.
My boss has one. In a wonderful clear gray almost ice colour
The 765LT will blow the Pista away
Turn the turbos up on the Pista then itd probably still rape the 765LT.
@@1010thechamp so it can't take the 765lt in stock form?
Sf90 stradale will rip the 765lt
@@ShadowGodOfDarkness No but then the 765LT's reliability will be piss poor so it might as well be a tuned car.
@@matzepizzaheld8541 Yes it will tear the 765LT into nothing.
Love these leaderboard vids! Thanks for posting
So....if you say it's not a fair competitor to the 488 pista using the trofeo tires, why you didn't use those trofeos on the 720 to match??
It might be fast, but the build quality, reliability, depreciation cliff, and abysmal dealer network make this car all but un-buyable and un-sellable. Which is why most people with sensible money trot on down to their local Porsche dealer and butter up the sales manager for a GT3 variant and call it a day. McLaren has completely lost their collective coconuts when it comes to developing a business model...flooding the market with cars that were not screwed together well and rushed out the factory in exchange for liquidity to fund the next makeover. The only thing worse than the depreciation hit on a McLaren is a Maserati. I realize the company is only 10yrs old as a mainstream manufacturer, but they have so much more experience than that they ought to know better. I had thoughts once of selling my fleet and condensing down to one "supercar" and looked at the 720 as a used-car proposition. It took me about 10 minutes to talk myself out of that mistake.
UDPride I’ve owned both and my Mclaren is just as dependable and a lot more fun than my Porsche.
The useless post 2005 super car. Most certainly automatic, too fast to be enjoyed on the road and too expensive to be taken on track. Never seen one on a track day in the UK, the two most expensive things I've shared a track day with were an R35 GTR and a Cayman GT4. By the way the GT4 owner was stressing about stone chips - something every enjoyed car should possess. Super cars do turn up but sit in the car park attracting the odd ogler - myself included. Unless you're seriously rich they're just too valuable to risk on a track day, too fast to exploit on the road and impractical for general use which renders them useless. Hang on, they do have a use... instagram photos.
nailed it
Too bad this test wasn't done on Trofeo Rs, as it's not really an apples-to-apples comparison with the Pista.
Who gives a shit, the Pista is the track focused model and is 10 years old, the Mclaren has already one as it comes within tenths of it on WAY LESS aggressive tires. The 765LT will literally destroy the Pista when it’s released at the end of the year
Go see the french Motorsport magazine supercar comparison from last year for apples-to-apples. All cars had the same tires, same driver, same track conditions, and the Pista easily beat everything on Magni-Cours, by huge margins. 720S and Huracan Perfromante were the only ones remotely close, within 1-2 seconds per lap, while cars like the GT3 RS, AMG GT-R, Corvette ZO6, etc. were like 5-6 seconds per lap slower than the Pista. And they were all factory cars supported by mechanics and engineers. Pista was just lent to the magazine by some rich dude, zero support, drove up, wiped the field, went home. People underestimate just how capable Ferrari's are, for some reason, a lot of people still have this opinion that they're poser cars for fanboys who want to show off, when in fact, dynamically and in terms of raw performance, they've been the benchmark for more than decade now.
@@derbigpr500 when the track focused Pista goes against the track focused 765lt, we can revisit this conversation.
Great lap. Maybe I'm the only person interested in this, but given the sizing on the 720S you could perform a tire test with 3 different tires:
Goodyear - EAGLE F1 SUPERCAR 3R
Michelin - Sport Cup 2
Pirelli - P Zero Trofeo R
All are available in the OEM size, and they run the full gamut of tread wears: 180 (M), 100 (GY), 60 (P).
Pista too, is Ferrari's track variant and technically the 720S isn't. The upcoming 765LT will be very interesting I'm sure!
So why...... not put...... The 720s.......... On........ Trofeo Rs then? [tried writing in the, frankly, bit ostentatious style Steve speaks]
😂😂 👆
If it is this fast, I can't imagine how bonkers quick the 765LT is going to be.
Probably a bit faster but again, the F8 pista will be topping it out as usual. Don't forget the F8 is the true competitor to the 720s since the 488 gtb was the direct competitor to the 650s
@@nik7bkh965 that's probably debatable as the F8 is at least two full years newer than the 720S. Not necessarily saying you're wrong, just that the two companies release schedules don't really line up with direct competitiors. (F8 =2019/2020, 720S =2017, 488= 2015, 650S = 2014. Though the 650S was really more of an updated version of 2011s 12C than a properly new car)
@@kiwidan2271 you are probably right. The release schedules of the trackfocused mid engined V8 cars of both ferrari and McLaren are too far apart, that their cars can be compared in a fair way. However I still think it is "fairer" to compare the 650s with the 488gtb (and therefore 675lt with the 488 pista) and the 720s with the F8, because it Makes more sense when putting the time lines of all models of each brand next to each other.
Now it's mclarens move to beat the 488 pista with the 765lt, because if that's not happening, then Ferrari is the clear winner overall.
The Pista loses to the 720 s in a drag race. Ferraris always have been slower than Mclarens in the past years with the same power to weight ratio.
It's a shame what Ferrari has become
@@User-th6yy ferrari still the best, it's not a shame, because i don't think that when you own one of those cars you mind to Do drag races
Boom way to go McLaren socking it to the Italians again. Stock vanilla standard car as good as the lightweight track edition. 765LT will blow 488 pistake away but I would still have a 675LT spider myself
Doesn't matter
Ferrari F8 Tributo beats the 720S
You’re dreaming
F8 has the same engine as the pista and the 720s already walked the pista, go watch dragtimes
@@dex6360
F8 has more power
@@justicewarrior9187 it does have more power than advertised but people have dynoed the 720s and it was making close to 800hp, look at dragtimes dynos with the 720s. Also this vid will change your mind on the pista vs 720s ruclips.net/video/bmFpNbscp5Q/видео.html
Yes, definitely interested to see how it will fair with Trofeo R tires.
I think the most impressive part about that list of times is how competitive the GT3RS is with how much less power it has compared to other top times.
Lexus LFA double octave exhaust trick!! This McLaren sounds amazing is this a refresh by Mclaren to new cars? Sounds sooo good 😁
newcareachyear let’s hope the LTs sound like this!
Short and sweet and like Steve says stay safe everybody :)
Evo videography is amazing
very fast for a car that im guessing will be cheaper than a m3 by the end of the year with all the new models mclaren bring out every 5 min
Joe Tee how many models did Ferrari release last year? Hm?
@@75KoDe exactly but don't waste your time with fanboys or haters lol
Ferrari's whole team was there when you tested the 488 Pista. Not to mention the stickier compound tires the 488 had.
rforracing @ they send one dude and they didn’t even care when the track was wet, they knew it would be faster
Mega lap. The best I’ve heard a modern McLaren sound since the P1.
But both still can't beat the sound of Mclaren F1.
I am really looking forward to a Leaderboard test of the new version of the BAC Mono. Please!!!!!!
When the world starts turning again it's on the list.
With the 765lt right around the corner we are a bit late aren’t we?
Done a 1.09.8 in my Spire GT3 sports 1000 race car. A048s, no wings, no diffusers, standard cbr1000rr engine 170hp at the wheels, and a hell of a lot cheaper than anything on the Evo leaderboard. Video of the lap my channel amongst many others.
That’s the perfect spec on this car. 🔥 White on black
Crazy that the 720s is just to complete with a normal 488 and is faster than a pista on the street and arguably as fast on track. The 765lt is going to be insane
The funny thing is that besides the famous relaiblity problems of mclaren. The 720 is not a hardcore trackfocused car at all
Yeah unfortunately, probably the least reliable McLaren :( Let's hope 765LT will get rid of at least few of those reliability issues.
720s 1:11.5 / pista 1:10.8
Beautiful ! Thank you.
Those Porsche laptimes are so fishy. 1700kg lux Turbo EXACTLY the same time as the 1400kg track focused GT3? Come on...
Edit: you lead me into thinking the 911 Turbo S had the same time as the GT3 RS, and I checked the board afterwards. The board says GT2 RS. Do you really expected the GT3 RS to be quicker than the GT2 RS, a GT3 RS with Turbos on it?
First of all, the weight difference between them is ~200kg, not 300. It does matter. Then, add to that the fact that Anglesey is a rather slow track and, maybe contrary to expectations, the GT3 is quicker at higher speeds, when it can generate downforce. Moreover, don't underestimate how the Turbo exits corners, turbos + AWD = beast. On small tracks, with very low speed corners, it can destroy the GT3, be it RS or not.
Also, the GT3 and the Turbo have always had close pace on track, even though it may not look like it on paper. Anyway, I know which one I would choose and it doesn't have Turbo in its name :P
Mzn T show me a Turbo on some scales actually weighing 1600kg. You won’t find one.
@@DrPittenstein My arguments still stand, even if it weights 1650. I said ~200kg difference and the GT3 RS starts at 1440, not 1400kg as you rounded it down.
And, again, there is no 911 Turbo on that board that has the same time as the GT3 RS.
Mzn T take another look 991.1 Turbo S 1.13.6, 991.1 GT3RS 1.13.6. Pure politics.
you don't understand the role of torque my friend.
Sounds so damn good. EVs are the future, but man, they gotta do something about the aural aspect of them. True motoring is a full sensory experience.
Cannot wait to see what the 765LT does
Just imagine how fast would be a 765LT with Cup2R ...
Probably close the the Senna with Trofeo R
More videos please EVO 👏
The McLarens always sound like the mufflers they use are very restrictive (hissing). Would be great to test drive one with an aftermarket system.
Steve can read me even quantum physics with his deep, bassy voice and I will love it.
Guys great video - but why not just use the right tyres. Its such a vital component of the test. Kind of renders the title kind of misleading. Frustrating.
the more i see of the 720, the less impressed i am with the P1. The 720 is just so beautiful compared to the P1 and almost as fast if not faster, without any hybrid tech. Looking back i feel the P1 was inflated and hyped a lot, not only in between the holy trinity (always liked the 918 way more), but compared to other supercars as well.
MrSaintRaptor P1 is as fast as 918 and Laf if not more , and for a 2012/13 that was the hypercars level ,”the problem “is that the technology is advancing so quick these days
forget the hypercars, look at what a true track sports car can do with a 4.0 NA flat 6, that's the biggie for me!
You talking about the Porsche GT3RS 😁
LMAO at those panel gaps. Is this car assembled in Guadalajara or something?
Too bad about that engine sound. They need help from AMG to get that 4.0L sounding better. Curious what this puts down with some cup tires
Wow. So impressive
Why even bother when you don’t have the right tires. Waste of time.
Get this back on the track with Trofeo Rs and it will quite possibly demolish the competition.
On of the greatest supercar ever built...
exhaust cant be stock....sounds amazing......
Die hard 720s haters just love it that this car just falls behind the pista but the 720s isnt a track focused version and is a few years old now the 765LT is a STFU n watch how it's done
The Pista is basically the all out version of the 488 GTB, and the 720s is the base car to the 765LT . Why not try and lap the 765LT and see how it stands against all
That was by no means a perfect lap, either. I figure there's at least another half second to be had out of those tires.
Andrew Elias you do know Sutcliffe is about as good a peddler as you get this side of a full time top pro? I doubt he left much time out there
I think you're right. I reckon he didn't have enough time to know the limits, he was still learning it on the flying lap. His inputs would have been smoother otherwise.
Why don’t you ever test a Donkervoort in one of your track tests, TCOTY or whatever? Ariels, Radicals, Caterhams and BAC Monos, all crazy British stuff, but never a Donkervoort. I want to see how fast the bonkers GTO with the five cylinder turbo is, and I’m not even Dutch! 😊
only one issue comparing to 488 pista.. PROBLEMATIC CARs..i ve heard the worst about mclaren customer service
Thank you Steve and Evo. I'm still subscribed, here and to the mag, and hope you continue delivering great stuff and enjoying it as you do. Keep safe
Production is on fire!
Probably just breaks down more than it should be though. And customer service is horrendous.🤦🏻♂️ Wtf McLaren???
bad driving! No way in hell would you see a gt3 rs beat a mclaren 720s on a track with good driving. The P1 had the same time as the 720...and the gt2 rs had the same time as the gt3.....year right! If it was proper driving the p1 would have been faster than the 720 rather than the same time, the gt2 would have been faster than the gt3 rather than the same time, and the 720 would have been faster than the gt3 also. Great cinematograph... but if you guys are going to do a track speed comparison of this caliber than you should seriously consider having a driver that can actually push these vehicles to what they are made to do.
Ferrari wins that track matchup fair n square. The 720 has about a 100lb weight advantage and its probably quicker in the straights especially since it has more than its advertised horsepower ( its really around 770hp) but the ferrari has the downforce, stickier tires and better low end power.
The sound is epic!
I think it has novetic exhaust or some other aftermarket exhaust
Kanishk jain nope
Yep and the spider factory sports exhaust sounds even better!
No R comp tires and the 720s isn't even the high performance version. It's faster than the Pista. Not surprising considering it's full carbon tub vs. aluminum.
power to weight, i think Mclaren might be better. weight distribution should be similar. suspension, i'd go with Mclaren. electronics, they're both basically gadget cars.
Mclaren wins, but i like the Ferrari's styling a bit better.
Look at the leaderboard in the end, I just want to say 911 GT3s are incredibly fast for less than half of this car's price.
How about adding some telemetry? Speeds, G -forces etc. GoPro camera's have this feature built in. Allows one to truly appreciate the abilities of these cars
It’s too bad most of the track times are on the Corsas and not the Trofeo Rs. The Trofeo Rs are street legal, and the car can be ordered with them. They’d undoubtedly be faster...my guess is a second faster on that lap, which would make the 720s faster than the Pista.
Get 2 sets of Cup2 R`s, a nice warm day and let’s see what’s quicker……… 488 Pista or 720s 😁🤙🏼🏁
Cheers 4 sending 👍
Almost same power to weight but pista frontend looks and body has more than 720s and tires are also considerable for this.
720s would smoke pista in drag race.
So the direct competitor in its class it's the 488 right? So shouldn't the pista be up against the 765lt when its released? Mpt to mention it was harder compound tyres.
I want Steve's voice to put me to sleep every night :D
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Strange as when Steve did the group test with the Porsche GT2RS he could only manage a 1’12”
And the Pista is faster on all but 2 courses despite having 50wheel hp less and more weight. Ya thats the car I would choose.
Steve Sutcliffe, Chris Harris, and Jethro Bovington would be the best top gear hosts ever!
That things just like an out of hand bar fight.You know it's going to happen but you don't know the end result.The Ferrari has no class.
Off topic, but how do the GT2 RS and GT3 RS have exactly the same lap time?
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One things for sure...its much faster than any car on that list to hit the repair shop!
Why people think p zeros and ps4 tires are good smh but a wide set of toyo r888r tires on front to back and watch how you pick up a sec or more per lap
Senna next, please!
765lt will be a fuckin' monster.
Quicker, but I would take the Ferrari anytime!Just my opinion.
Nice Portuguese reference! Bonkers supercar!
Nice one. Enjoyed that 👍👌
The Pista may be 40k more than the 720S but it's simply better in every way. Including looks. I'd get a 600LT if I had to choose a McLaren, but you'd have to put a gun to my head. Also - more evo videos please.
Straight line acceleration, comfort, storage, hydraulic steering, vertical doors, active aero are all better for the 720s. Great but It’s definitely not better in every way.
Not sure who the videographer and editor were for this video, but this is Neil Carey good in places.
You should be asking if it's quicker than a Tesla
Bullshit McLaren 720S bests the 488 Pista all the way up
My opinion is very important And I choose 720s as the supercar of the past decade
Could’ve, would’ve, should’ve, pista still faster
Maybe quick. Damn shame they break down more than Lindsay Lohan