This is so funny: you move 1 letter in the character's name and they can no longer catch you, even if that character is OBVIOUSLY the same one. It's like a swift kick in the knees and it's hilarious
I think the original story is that Herlock Sholmes was created by a Frenchman who tried to have a crossover with Sherlock Holmes was rejected went French courts and they accepted Sholmes out of British spite and every country outside of England accepted it.
Yeah, the funniest part about it is that the only reason Sholmes was created was because Arsène Lupin's author Maurice Leblanc was a rejected collab fanboy. Mr. Leblanc read the French translations, fell in love with them, and asked Doyle personally for a collaboration and was promptly rejected. Since he took the letter to heart he decided to create a character called Herlock Sholmes/Herlock Sholmés in France and elsewhere outside of the UK that happened to be the world's greatest detective from London. In the UK however it didn't work and Doyle himself faught it to the point petty Mr. Leblanc decided that Holmlock Shears would work and that stayed until the UK copyright on Sherlock Holmes ran out and it reverted to Sherlock Holmes or the superior Herlock Sholmes determining which translation or version you prefer. Moral of the story is that if you have enough salt you have a way.
the character itself is in the public domain, but that's the first iteration of him, the later iteration made to have a personality, is not, you can use the name Sherlock Holmes, as long as it's clearly the first version, but the version with a personality, no
@@beowolf9480 but the game doesn't take place in those later years it takes place around the bakumatsu, you know a time during which Sherlock Holmes would be in his so-called original incarnation. The argument that him having a personality shift makes him a new character is absurd and any judge who takes that argument should be disbarred and thrown in prison
I believe the case involving emotions was settled out of court and that there wasn’t a judge that ruled that emotions were copyrightable. I’m sure channels such as Leonard French and Legal Eagle would have had a video of such a judgement was made in a US court.
Herlock Sholmes just feels like more of an ace attorney name. This is the same game series that gave us names like Larry Butz, Lotta Hart, and Ini Miney. Herlock Sholmes fits in perfectly
Surprised there wasn’t a throwaway comment about how Disney has been profiting off the public domain since forever thanks to all their fairy tale adaptations. Disney’s genuinely so full of it.
It's enough to acknowledge that Disney messed with copyright law, which then affects every other IP, which the Doyle estate uses to milk Holmes media. The time for both of them, though, is running out. Get ready to make your Mickey Mouse fanfiction into a legal work!
@@serpentmaster1323 I mean he is in the public domain now, but it's only the Steamboat Willy variation of him. But you still can't use the name Mickey Mouse, because it's now trademarked by Disney. So long as Disney's in business, that trademark will never go away.
@@Nosidda Think about half the Sherlock Holmes books are public domain now... seems just 4 novels and 46 short stories are all the estate can still claim
Good news, Herlock Sholmes actually *is* a public domain character. He's Arsene Lupin's legally distinct rival in the 1900's Arsene Lupin series. The Doyle estate has been greedy with the Sherlock character for over a century now.
Good luck with that, current copyright law says that _all_ games are still not public domain, unless specifically created to be so. Only way that would change would be to rewrite the law to be more reasonable. Which, to be honest, isn't a bad idea on its own.
@Cyber Console wolf As if the ESRB has much of a say in legality... and if you've been keeping up with politics from non-propaganda sources, you'd have very good reason to think that the Left are going to be forced out of all branches of government pretty soon. A _Trump_ government making changes to copyright would do the job right, wouldn't you say?
Maybe if P6 decides to revisit the Phantom Thief idea (unlikely, I know), that can include Moriarty as the main character's Persona... Or, if that gets the Doyle estate upset, make it something like Muriorty.
Finally! Something new that's not just memes!! I mean...poor Sholmes just got localized and he got memed to oblivion but still. Not that I'm complaining about the memes, they're great. I'm just happy I can finally play this game!
Doyle Estate: "If the Burroughs Estate can hold Tarzan hostage from Kingdom Hearts, I can do the same to Capcom!" **Capcom uses Herlock Sholmes instead** ♫You'll never see it coming!♫
I am not surprised that Herlock was the trick to avoid copywrite issues, although rather fascinating the whole deal with the "copyrighted works" is really just a trap at this point since technically, the whole point of public domain characters is that you can take them and CHANGE them, so emotional development shouldn't really be so easy as a trick to keep Sherlock out of public use. All well, I'm fine with Herlock Sholmes getting some extra recognition, especially with how sassy his very existence really is historically. X3c
No, this isn't a Mario fangame. This is Superior Lario Siblings, about Lario and his brother Muigi who are out to save Person of Royalty Frogstool, otherwise known as Nectarine, from the clutches of the evil Fils-Aimé! You can't sue me now, Nintendo!
@@M0D776 Yeah... Nintendo successfully shut down distribution of the original 80s Great Gianna Sisters, but somehow the IP got revived with a few surprisingly good platformers last decade.
Copyright law : You can't release the great ace attorney in the US because Sherlock Holmes is copyrighted Capcom : But his name is Herlock Sholmes Copyright law : *Understandable have a great day*
@@adv78 Honestly, it's up there with Mother 3's translation. OK, maybe not that good, but it's still very well done. The team went far beyond what they needed to do, not only translating all the text, but also localising the names (still love Jay Elbird), editing graphics to make the text English, and even recording new 'Objection!' voice clips. There is literally no Japanese left in the game.
Yeah, it's a very close second to T&T for me. Easily beats the other two games in Phoenix's trilogy. Kinda surprising honestly since I found the first one to only just be decent
everyone knows it's because capcom couldn't come up with a good replacement name for sherlock until someone saw a herlock sholmes meme and thought that was the most genius thing ever
@@sherlockholmezs And due to the popularity of Lupin III in Japan, the Arsene Lupin stories are probably better known there than in most places in the West. (Aside from France, obviously.)
@@sherlockholmezsAtlus used the name "Arsène" and the concept of the gentleman thief all the way back in 2017 when Persona 5 came out... so what took Capcom so long to switch from Sherlock Holmes to Herlock Sholmes?
I'm glad it happened later than never. It was worth it having this Sherlock Holmes profile pic for years. EDIT: I'm going to localize my comment to Herlock Sholmes instead.
What’s not mentioned in the video is that the US court ruling that declared Holmes to be in the public domain also called the Conan Doyle estate’s business model “extortion”. They enforced a copyright they didn’t have by intimidating creators with threats of lawsuits, and since no one wants to go to court the creators and producers would always pay what the estate wanted.
The funny thing about the Doyle estate copyrighting the look of Holmes wearing a dearstalker hat is that in the original stories, he never really wore one. An illustrator actually put one on him when he wouldn't be wearing one in the scene, and it just stuck.
"To the Conan Doyle Estate, the greedy imprisoners of the master of deduction and good rival of mine. You cease and desist all those who wants to travel to the great world of case solving magic in their own way, believing that you are carrying out the will of good old Arthur. Thus, i have decided to steal those distorted desires away, and if managed to beat dear Sherlock, then i assure you, i can't fail." [From: Arsene Lupin]
Plus, something we cut from this video for time, the Conan Doyle Estate also sues over any works that were started *before* the copyright expired, even if they weren't published until afterwards. Even after 2023, they're going to claim a three year grace period on those last few stories, so this isn't going to end for another half a decade or so. Even then, they own the Sherlock Holmes trademark, so they'll no doubt keep going.
@@PrincessFelicie None of our videos are copyrighted. They're published under creative commons instead, so anyone can remix them however they see fit. I'm not wholly opposed to all forms of copyright, but the laws we have at the moment just don't hold water.
Wow, the Conan Doyle estate is really using *actual personal tragedies* that Arthur Conan Doyle experienced to justify hoarding the Sherlock Holmes copyright for themselves. And I thought Disney was low.
I actually read up about Lupin meeting Sherlock Holmes a few months ago and thought the whole exchange was hilarious from the legal end. So glad that the goofy story was used to free Ace Attorney from copyright jail.
So the Great Ace Attorney is using how a property that was using an blatant Copyright dodging name ended up in the Public domain freeing up both itself and the mock name. Said mock-name already being pretty much iron-clad from scrutiny due to its age. All to avoid having to deal with the Conan Doyle Estate. That is just deviously clever.
As always, great video, very informative. As a hardcore Ace Attorney fan, this was bugging me for a long time - now that's more than clear. Thank you ❤️
I knew the Origin of Herlock Sholmes because Arsene Lupin is one of my favorite books. Great to see that Leblanc's exploit now works towards one of my favorite videogames as well XD
Loved playing the first DGS game with the fan translation patch and now I'll get to play the official localisation with official english VA's. Gonna be awesome and legit excited.
Easiest way to avoid getting sued: Make your character incredibly similar, yet legally distinct. "RUN, IT'S GODZILLA!" "It only looks like Godzilla! But due to international copyright law, it is not." "STILL, LET'S RUN LIKE IT IS GODZILLA!!"
>What I watched: >What I expected: Oh no no no no no no no no, How will we translate that PW's ancestor is from Meiji Japan and not Japanifornia >What I got: I'm not Sonic. I'm my original character, Blonic.
it's worth noting that there are plenty of flat out usage of not only Sherlock Holmes as a Character but many plots and allusions to scenarios and stories from the Sherlock Holmes stories ie. the Red-Headed League, some of which may have still been under Copyright Law, which is why even if they used Herlock Sholmes in 2016, other names of peoples and events may have still gotten them sued, and may still.
An excellent point, we didn't get into it in this video but those last few stories slowly slipping out of copyright may have impacted why the game can be released now, but couldn't be released earlier. That said we didn't want to speculate too much on this in the video, as we're in all honesty not experts on the Sherlock Holmes canon.
If you go on Ebay sometimes people sell unofficial AAI2 english translated physical cartridges! Thats how I got to play the game and it works 100%. The only thing you need is a DS specifically (not DSi or 3DS, those don't work). The translators did a great job and it really feels official/on-brand!
Arsene pulled the greatest heist of his career. He stole Sherlock Holmes from the copyright of the Doyle estate with the character Herlock Sholmes. What a god damn legend.
Objection! Another possible reason why it took Capcom up to 2021 to adapt The Great Ace Attorney by using Lupin's Herlock Sholmes may be how they wanted to see other adaptations that uses the intellectual properties of Lupin in recent years such as Netflix Lupin or the new Lupin the Third movies in order to truly confirm that the names can be used freely. Furthermore, I figured that they needed to twist a lot of the chapter names from the game's cases too in order to pass the copyright gate.
Half the video I was wondering what this vid had anything to do with Great Ace Attorney, since Sherlock Holmes is nowhere to be seen in the entire game.
Guy: Run It's Godzilla Man: It Looks Like Godzilla but due to International Copyright Laws, It's Not Guy: Still Run, Like it is Godzilla Man: But it Isn't Both: Ahhhhhhhh!!!
I'd have been mad if they had called him Sherlock Holmes since he's so... Unfaithful to the literary character. But him being a wacky knock-off fits SO perfectly. He's like Holmes' Wario.
I agree! I haven’t thought about this before, but you’re right, the knock-off-ness makes his character more bearable! Truth be told, this version of Sherlock/Herlock is still a genius, but instead of being a logical master of deduction, he’s intuitive - he just KNOWS that the clue is OVER HERE, but fails to identify it correctly until Ryuunosuke (or Iris, I suppose) corrects him.
@@Tioko Eeexactly! Good point! And on that point, Wilson is also an impovement. A lolicon Watson was like fingernails across the blackboard of my soul.
@@mccloaker Yeah, the "real" John H. Watson(/Wilson) appeared on the first case as a _murder victim,_ and it's noted when we finally met Herlock that his adventures has already been written and published. So, weirdly enough, Iris Wilson is actually Lolicon _Conan Doyle._
You can't use that character name its copy righted. Fine I'll use the non infringing copy right safe version based off yours that is now public domain.
Ah yes, the Conan Doyle estate. Free riding parasites on their ancestor's success. I've been familiar with this idiocy for a while. Been a Lupin III fan for a long time!
@@TheSaharay1 Technically it is. Had they not successfully lobbied to get US copyright extended Sherlock Holmes would have been completely in public domain before the first Great Ace Attorney came out. In Japan.
Sherlock Holmes has been their cash cow for generations. Once Sherlock Holmes falls into public domain, they basically lose almost, if not all, of their income. Naturally they're going to be brutal about making sure that doesn't happen, they want that cash money.
Judge's POV: "Therefore, in presence of the evidence provided and the contradictions in testimonies found by the defense, I declare the defendant, Herlock Sholmes, *Not Guilty* Court is adjourned!" *hammer slam*
While I like Ace Attorney, I never knew of this game, so when I saw the name Herlock Sholmes I laughed sooo hard, it felt unreal af, it was hilarious, but it's good to know the real reason on why.
Dang, so Disney's assholer-y over Mickey's copyright inadvertently extended the time it would take for Capcom to localize GAA? Their reach is truly shocking...
They allowed me to play the first of these games a lot earlier than I would otherwise have been able to, so yes, I appreciate their hard work too! It was a fan translation almost on the level of the AAI2 one!
The problem was finally solved, Sherlock Holmes is now 100% in the public domain, all of the original Arthur Conan Doyle's stories are no longer under copyright.
Just because Capcom is doing what Capcom does, those are juste excuses, they could have chose this name earlier and if I'm not mistaken the Japanese audio available in the WW game uses the name "Holmes"
It's possible that Capcom's developers only just discovered the story involving Lupin and Holmes recently, and upon reading over it, they discovered that simply moving the S in his name would allow them to dodge copyright issues. Basically, the recently found out that history has proven that works, so they ran with it and also made it a cool reference to a hilarious copyright battle.
Did you even watch the video? They were waiting for the Arsene Lupin stories with Herlock Sholmes to enter public domain. Other Arsene stories must have entered it earlier.
Fun fact: if I’m not mistaken, capcom is also part of the reason that weird localized jojo stand names exist. When they released their part 5 game, there was apparently some problems with the Prince song references which may have contributed to the cancellation of the international release. But this is kind of speculation so maybe I shouldn’t call it a “fun fact” lol
Sorry that I am 2 years late with this comment, but since you did this video, I think I would like to see a video of Why Gyakuten Kenji 2 or Ace Attorney Investigations Miles Edgeworth 2 Prosecutor’s Path never got Localized out of Japan, like ever. Since the Great Ace Attorney came to America 2 years ago, the only Ace Attorney game left that was never brought to America or any other country out of Japan is Gyakuten Kenji 2 or Ace Attorney Investigations Miles Edgeworth 2 Prosecutor’s path.
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This is so funny: you move 1 letter in the character's name and they can no longer catch you, even if that character is OBVIOUSLY the same one. It's like a swift kick in the knees and it's hilarious
I think the original story is that Herlock Sholmes was created by a Frenchman who tried to have a crossover with Sherlock Holmes was rejected went French courts and they accepted Sholmes out of British spite and every country outside of England accepted it.
@@mykaruest3620 Yeah. Arlene Lupin is the crossover character in question.
You make it sound like a plot point in an Ace Attorney game.
Yeah, the funniest part about it is that the only reason Sholmes was created was because Arsène Lupin's author Maurice Leblanc was a rejected collab fanboy. Mr. Leblanc read the French translations, fell in love with them, and asked Doyle personally for a collaboration and was promptly rejected. Since he took the letter to heart he decided to create a character called Herlock Sholmes/Herlock Sholmés in France and elsewhere outside of the UK that happened to be the world's greatest detective from London. In the UK however it didn't work and Doyle himself faught it to the point petty Mr. Leblanc decided that Holmlock Shears would work and that stayed until the UK copyright on Sherlock Holmes ran out and it reverted to Sherlock Holmes or the superior Herlock Sholmes determining which translation or version you prefer. Moral of the story is that if you have enough salt you have a way.
They deserve it for copyrighting a personality trait. That's just money hungry and selfish.
You can't copyright a goddamn personality trait. I'd like to get my hands on the judge who accepted that argument in court
Of course you can, you just need enough money to do it.
the character itself is in the public domain, but that's the first iteration of him, the later iteration made to have a personality, is not, you can use the name Sherlock Holmes, as long as it's clearly the first version, but the version with a personality, no
@@beowolf9480 but the game doesn't take place in those later years it takes place around the bakumatsu, you know a time during which Sherlock Holmes would be in his so-called original incarnation. The argument that him having a personality shift makes him a new character is absurd and any judge who takes that argument should be disbarred and thrown in prison
I believe the case involving emotions was settled out of court and that there wasn’t a judge that ruled that emotions were copyrightable. I’m sure channels such as Leonard French and Legal Eagle would have had a video of such a judgement was made in a US court.
What's next
Shy is copyrighted?
Herlock Sholmes just feels like more of an ace attorney name. This is the same game series that gave us names like Larry Butz, Lotta Hart, and Ini Miney. Herlock Sholmes fits in perfectly
Surprised there wasn’t a throwaway comment about how Disney has been profiting off the public domain since forever thanks to all their fairy tale adaptations. Disney’s genuinely so full of it.
Ooh, nice comment!
At the same time keeping Mickey out of the public domain- he's twice overdue!
It's enough to acknowledge that Disney messed with copyright law, which then affects every other IP, which the Doyle estate uses to milk Holmes media. The time for both of them, though, is running out. Get ready to make your Mickey Mouse fanfiction into a legal work!
@@serpentmaster1323 I mean he is in the public domain now, but it's only the Steamboat Willy variation of him. But you still can't use the name Mickey Mouse, because it's now trademarked by Disney. So long as Disney's in business, that trademark will never go away.
@@Nosidda Think about half the Sherlock Holmes books are public domain now... seems just 4 novels and 46 short stories are all the estate can still claim
Now we wait for Great Ace Attorney to be in public domain and reuse its iteration of Herlock Sholmes in a Persona 5 Parody to complete the full circle
Good news, Herlock Sholmes actually *is* a public domain character. He's Arsene Lupin's legally distinct rival in the 1900's Arsene Lupin series. The Doyle estate has been greedy with the Sherlock character for over a century now.
Good luck with that, current copyright law says that _all_ games are still not public domain, unless specifically created to be so. Only way that would change would be to rewrite the law to be more reasonable.
Which, to be honest, isn't a bad idea on its own.
@Cyber Console wolf As if the ESRB has much of a say in legality... and if you've been keeping up with politics from non-propaganda sources, you'd have very good reason to think that the Left are going to be forced out of all branches of government pretty soon. A _Trump_ government making changes to copyright would do the job right, wouldn't you say?
Maybe if P6 decides to revisit the Phantom Thief idea (unlikely, I know), that can include Moriarty as the main character's Persona... Or, if that gets the Doyle estate upset, make it something like Muriorty.
"Copyright law lasts a little longer in the US"
Disney: "The copyright law will last ∞-1 days"
Uh oh Disney.
"Here's where Persona 5 comes into the mix, by the way."
Me: _looks at Ace Attorney localization manual_ "Did I miss a page?"
Finally a Scott the Woz fan
I will gladly watch anything Ace Attorney
Yeah, but this is the GREAT ace attorney
Yes please!
Finally! Something new that's not just memes!! I mean...poor Sholmes just got localized and he got memed to oblivion but still.
Not that I'm complaining about the memes, they're great. I'm just happy I can finally play this game!
Doyle Estate: "If the Burroughs Estate can hold Tarzan hostage from Kingdom Hearts, I can do the same to Capcom!"
**Capcom uses Herlock Sholmes instead**
♫You'll never see it coming!♫
Lol, what a great comment!
Underrated
doyle? oh! you meant the coyle donan estate.
I am not surprised that Herlock was the trick to avoid copywrite issues, although rather fascinating the whole deal with the "copyrighted works" is really just a trap at this point since technically, the whole point of public domain characters is that you can take them and CHANGE them, so emotional development shouldn't really be so easy as a trick to keep Sherlock out of public use.
All well, I'm fine with Herlock Sholmes getting some extra recognition, especially with how sassy his very existence really is historically. X3c
Even though Sherlock and Herlock are actually different characters, Herlock is one of the more popular Expies of Sherlock besides Solar Pons.
As a certain blue hedgehog once said no copyright in the universe is going to stop me...
Yeah...I remember that meme!
No, this isn't a Mario fangame. This is Superior Lario Siblings, about Lario and his brother Muigi who are out to save Person of Royalty Frogstool, otherwise known as Nectarine, from the clutches of the evil Fils-Aimé! You can't sue me now, Nintendo!
You joke, but other companies totally did that in the 80s and 90s with the most famous example being “The Great Gianna Sisters”
@@MrZer093 but didn't the Gianna Sisters evolve into something else recently?
@@M0D776 Yeah... Nintendo successfully shut down distribution of the original 80s Great Gianna Sisters, but somehow the IP got revived with a few surprisingly good platformers last decade.
@@M0D776 Ye,ps, their most recent game was not directly ripping of a previous Mario game and the name itself didn’t have any legal issues attached.
@@MrZer093 The simple tittle of that game always makes me laugh hard
Copyright law : You can't release the great ace attorney in the US because Sherlock Holmes is copyrighted
Capcom : But his name is Herlock Sholmes
Copyright law : *Understandable have a great day*
0:18 It's "Ace Attorney Investigations 2" actually, but seriously, the fan localization is fantastic. In my top 3 Ace Attorney games of all time.
My favorite and it's not even close, AAI2 is justo so good and the fan localization is fantastic.
I can't handle the thought of Sebastian having a different name if there ever was an official localization
I'm enjoying Lucahjin's playthrough of it currently! :D It's a fantastic Ace Attorney so far, we're a way into Chapter 2.
@@adv78 Honestly, it's up there with Mother 3's translation. OK, maybe not that good, but it's still very well done. The team went far beyond what they needed to do, not only translating all the text, but also localising the names (still love Jay Elbird), editing graphics to make the text English, and even recording new 'Objection!' voice clips. There is literally no Japanese left in the game.
Yeah, it's a very close second to T&T for me. Easily beats the other two games in Phoenix's trilogy. Kinda surprising honestly since I found the first one to only just be decent
everyone knows it's because capcom couldn't come up with a good replacement name for sherlock until someone saw a herlock sholmes meme and thought that was the most genius thing ever
It's both a meme and also the name Sherlock receives in the Arsené Lupin books, due to the same problem, copyright.
@@sherlockholmezs And due to the popularity of Lupin III in Japan, the Arsene Lupin stories are probably better known there than in most places in the West. (Aside from France, obviously.)
Pardon!
Cake Delivery for “arie ntoinette...”
Gosh, there’s chocolate on the bill...
Harie Mantoinette!
XD
@@sherlockholmezsAtlus used the name "Arsène" and the concept of the gentleman thief all the way back in 2017 when Persona 5 came out... so what took Capcom so long to switch from Sherlock Holmes to Herlock Sholmes?
@@zimonzieclown1633 Maybe Arsene fell into public domain before Herlock. It was an established book series already before the crossover.
The moral of the story: SOMETIMES, good things DON’T come to those who wait...
At least we're getting both sequels on all platforms, the only thing that pisses me is just that the other 3DS games aren't ported yet
@@quinnholloway5400 except xbox
@@penguinkirb3759 fair point sadly...
@@penguinkirb3759 Maybe Xbox should've bought the 2019 Trilogy. only 5,000 units sold on Xbox Worldwide.
@@quinnholloway5400 Tenichally it is one mobile.
I'm glad it happened later than never. It was worth it having this Sherlock Holmes profile pic for years.
EDIT: I'm going to localize my comment to Herlock Sholmes instead.
For YEARS? Damn dude, that's dedication right there.
Can't wait to see how Susato fangirls over Le Blanc's famous work of Herlock Sholmes vs Arsene Lupin. Maybe she'll be a Lupin fan too, hahaha!
Lupin the thiiiiiiiird, *theme song starts playing*.
@@pineapplepearjuice6717 Not that Lupin
What’s not mentioned in the video is that the US court ruling that declared Holmes to be in the public domain also called the Conan Doyle estate’s business model “extortion”. They enforced a copyright they didn’t have by intimidating creators with threats of lawsuits, and since no one wants to go to court the creators and producers would always pay what the estate wanted.
That sounds like a lawsuit that would NEED to happen though.
I'm so glad someone explained the Arsene Lupin history! It was draining looking at everyone crack jokes about the localization team being lazy.
this is a conan-doyale estate moment
You thought JK Rowling was bad!
The funny thing about the Doyle estate copyrighting the look of Holmes wearing a dearstalker hat is that in the original stories, he never really wore one. An illustrator actually put one on him when he wouldn't be wearing one in the scene, and it just stuck.
That’s a funny accident.
Kinda similar to how Sherlock in the BBC series doesn’t wear one and it was just a single photo from a single time
"To the Conan Doyle Estate, the greedy imprisoners of the master of deduction and good rival of mine. You cease and desist all those who wants to travel to the great world of case solving magic in their own way, believing that you are carrying out the will of good old Arthur. Thus, i have decided to steal those distorted desires away, and if managed to beat dear Sherlock, then i assure you, i can't fail." [From: Arsene Lupin]
Their Treasure has been revealed!
"Life Will Change" begins to play. :D
99% alert
Kinda ironic that a game franchise about attorneys at law ran into some legal trouble...
Technically there are 3 or 4 stories of Holmes that are not public domain until 2023. So it's not completely copyright free.
Plus, something we cut from this video for time, the Conan Doyle Estate also sues over any works that were started *before* the copyright expired, even if they weren't published until afterwards. Even after 2023, they're going to claim a three year grace period on those last few stories, so this isn't going to end for another half a decade or so. Even then, they own the Sherlock Holmes trademark, so they'll no doubt keep going.
@@VideoGameStoryTime ngl that kind of crap pulled by rich people with too much money really makes a gal want to be a copyright abolitionist
@@PrincessFelicie None of our videos are copyrighted. They're published under creative commons instead, so anyone can remix them however they see fit. I'm not wholly opposed to all forms of copyright, but the laws we have at the moment just don't hold water.
@@PrincessFelicie 1. You're not a girl. 2. The main flaw of copyright law is how long it takes for IP to become public domain.
@@user-fe8gx3ie5v Don't be a dick. It's not a fun look.
Justice has been made today but wait for the rest for a clean victory
Wow, the Conan Doyle estate is really using *actual personal tragedies* that Arthur Conan Doyle experienced to justify hoarding the Sherlock Holmes copyright for themselves. And I thought Disney was low.
Herlock Sholmes? I bet Hodd Toward and Reanu Keeves would be delighted to meet him!
I actually read up about Lupin meeting Sherlock Holmes a few months ago and thought the whole exchange was hilarious from the legal end. So glad that the goofy story was used to free Ace Attorney from copyright jail.
So the Great Ace Attorney is using how a property that was using an blatant Copyright dodging name ended up in the Public domain freeing up both itself and the mock name. Said mock-name already being pretty much iron-clad from scrutiny due to its age. All to avoid having to deal with the Conan Doyle Estate. That is just deviously clever.
I love how the video is actually styled like a ace attorney case
As always, great video, very informative. As a hardcore Ace Attorney fan, this was bugging me for a long time - now that's more than clear. Thank you ❤️
I knew the Origin of Herlock Sholmes because Arsene Lupin is one of my favorite books. Great to see that Leblanc's exploit now works towards one of my favorite videogames as well XD
Oop yeyy we’re talking about Ace attorney which means it’s getting popular again
That don't mean it
Phoenix wright is that series that everybody knows about but never buys.
@@supersonicsaga Except they do? The series is fantastic. It's sold over 8 million copies.
@@TayoEXE 8million + 1 if it can be released in the UK😪
@@alishaanimations3058 what about trilogy, i mean you british can play that atleast
Loved playing the first DGS game with the fan translation patch and now I'll get to play the official localisation with official english VA's. Gonna be awesome and legit excited.
Easiest way to avoid getting sued: Make your character incredibly similar, yet legally distinct.
"RUN, IT'S GODZILLA!"
"It only looks like Godzilla! But due to international copyright law, it is not."
"STILL, LET'S RUN LIKE IT IS GODZILLA!!"
From Steven Universe Future's series finale.
@@Harrisow Actually it from Austin Powers Goldmember.
It is Moozila
Copyright sometimes can be Hell. I know it's a necessary thing, but it can also be a complicated mess.
Ooh I really liked this video
Persona 5 and Ace attorney info in one video? That's great
Should have dumped some Lupin the 3rd for good measure.
LeBlanc, Holmes
Zinc Lablanc, Herlock Sholmes
Capcom: *Hold my beer*
Zinc Lablanc isn't a tribute to Maurice LeBlanc.
He's just a funny foreign art dealer with a name inspired by zinc blanks, used to make cheap coins.
@@E4439Qv5 Interesting coincidence then :D Thanks for pointing out.
And here I was genuinely thinking the name Arsene was a play off "arson"; thanks for the history lesson
_Moral Of The Story:_
The detective doesn't listen when you say "No sh**, Sherlock", and that's why it took this long.
>What I watched:
>What I expected: Oh no no no no no no no no, How will we translate that PW's ancestor is from Meiji Japan and not Japanifornia
>What I got: I'm not Sonic. I'm my original character, Blonic.
it's worth noting that there are plenty of flat out usage of not only Sherlock Holmes as a Character but many plots and allusions to scenarios and stories from the Sherlock Holmes stories ie. the Red-Headed League, some of which may have still been under Copyright Law, which is why even if they used Herlock Sholmes in 2016, other names of peoples and events may have still gotten them sued, and may still.
An excellent point, we didn't get into it in this video but those last few stories slowly slipping out of copyright may have impacted why the game can be released now, but couldn't be released earlier. That said we didn't want to speculate too much on this in the video, as we're in all honesty not experts on the Sherlock Holmes canon.
Me still waiting for an Ace Attorney Investigations 2 localization
If you go on Ebay sometimes people sell unofficial AAI2 english translated physical cartridges! Thats how I got to play the game and it works 100%.
The only thing you need is a DS specifically (not DSi or 3DS, those don't work). The translators did a great job and it really feels official/on-brand!
Me who has played it on NDS emulator: It's freaking awesome my no.1 Ace Attorney games followed closely by DGS 1&2
Just play the fan translation, it's absolutely stellar!
You only need to wait for a few months
Arsene pulled the greatest heist of his career. He stole Sherlock Holmes from the copyright of the Doyle estate with the character Herlock Sholmes. What a god damn legend.
Finally, after years of waiting, I will be able to see my Sherlock Holm- I mean Herlock Sholmes.
This is totally my original character; Herlock Sholmes
Maurice Leblanc did that in 1908 actually
People really need to get their facts straight
"A bit of Persona 5 Phantom Thievery."
I think you mean a bit of Great Thievery courtesy of the Yatagarasu.
yatagaraSUS 😳
"The franchise *Trials and Tribulations* can be over, and there can be *Justice for All* "
Nice
Objection! Another possible reason why it took Capcom up to 2021 to adapt The Great Ace Attorney by using Lupin's Herlock Sholmes may be how they wanted to see other adaptations that uses the intellectual properties of Lupin in recent years such as Netflix Lupin or the new Lupin the Third movies in order to truly confirm that the names can be used freely. Furthermore, I figured that they needed to twist a lot of the chapter names from the game's cases too in order to pass the copyright gate.
Next game: Phoenix against copyright laws xD
Also great video as always! Love Video Game Story Time
"Phoenix Wright fans rejoice!"
I'll do it... But not because you told me to...
If you wouldn't have made this video and it wouldn't have gotten randomly recommended to me I probably wouldn't have learned about this, so thanks.🤣
That also explains the localization problems of Detective Conan ( it also got troubles from the holders of Conan the barbarian rights)
Which also makes zero sense because it's a NAME. Mr O'Brian would have something to say about that.
Me: Finally all the games are released
Others: but what about investigat-
Me: FINALLY ALL THE GAMES ARE RELEASED
5:21 Lupin is the Beer Baron? (Nice subtle reference!)
the conclusion of this video just makes sense
Half the video I was wondering what this vid had anything to do with Great Ace Attorney, since Sherlock Holmes is nowhere to be seen in the entire game.
you cannot convince me it took years for them to switch up a few letters in a character's name. interesting tho
They really need to change international copyright law.
I stand with ya.
Guy: Run It's Godzilla
Man: It Looks Like Godzilla but due to International Copyright Laws, It's Not
Guy: Still Run, Like it is Godzilla
Man: But it Isn't
Both: Ahhhhhhhh!!!
So basically all I got from this video is that Sherlock Holmes respecting women is copyrighted
Thanks, it was very informative. I never knew that the core of the issue lied in Sherlock.
In 3 months, all those years spent waiting will be rewarded
I'd have been mad if they had called him Sherlock Holmes since he's so... Unfaithful to the literary character. But him being a wacky knock-off fits SO perfectly. He's like Holmes' Wario.
I agree! I haven’t thought about this before, but you’re right, the knock-off-ness makes his character more bearable!
Truth be told, this version of Sherlock/Herlock is still a genius, but instead of being a logical master of deduction, he’s intuitive - he just KNOWS that the clue is OVER HERE, but fails to identify it correctly until Ryuunosuke (or Iris, I suppose) corrects him.
@@Tioko Eeexactly! Good point! And on that point, Wilson is also an impovement. A lolicon Watson was like fingernails across the blackboard of my soul.
@@mccloaker IIRC, she’s supposed to be Watson’s daughter 🤷🏻♀️ Who uses her father’s name to write about The Great Detective.
@@mccloaker Yeah, the "real" John H. Watson(/Wilson) appeared on the first case as a _murder victim,_ and it's noted when we finally met Herlock that his adventures has already been written and published.
So, weirdly enough, Iris Wilson is actually Lolicon _Conan Doyle._
I love Herlock Sholmes as much as I love Percule Hoirot.
You can't use that character name its copy righted.
Fine I'll use the non infringing copy right safe version based off yours that is now public domain.
Well that was a suprisingly intriguing story.
Herlock Sholmes lmao im stoked for this. I hope more of the other ace attorney games come to switch. Gotta find the old ds and 3ds ones.
HERLOCK SHOLMES!
HERLOCK SHOLMES!
HERLOCK SHOLMES!
At long last my bretheren the doyle estate has been defeated
Ah yes, the Conan Doyle estate. Free riding parasites on their ancestor's success. I've been familiar with this idiocy for a while.
Been a Lupin III fan for a long time!
I'll accept it as his funny dub name.
Objection! Watson and Holmes we're true friends long before the Great War what are these people smoking?
can we get a massive 'screw you' to Disney? Not the first time they've screwed something for everyone...
Yeah
This wasn't due to Disney tho.
@@TheSaharay1 yes it is.
the entire copywright shtick is becasue of disney
@@TheSaharay1 Technically it is. Had they not successfully lobbied to get US copyright extended Sherlock Holmes would have been completely in public domain before the first Great Ace Attorney came out. In Japan.
Hot damn. That estate must be full of jerks.
Sherlock Holmes has been their cash cow for generations. Once Sherlock Holmes falls into public domain, they basically lose almost, if not all, of their income. Naturally they're going to be brutal about making sure that doesn't happen, they want that cash money.
I like to imagine that sherlock cousin is this mate right there
Judge's POV:
"Therefore, in presence of the evidence provided and the contradictions in testimonies found by the defense, I declare the defendant, Herlock Sholmes,
*Not Guilty*
Court is adjourned!" *hammer slam*
I just got into the series: I’m glad it’s seeing a big resurgence!
Many years later we now have the second ace attorney investigations game in one collection! :)
While I like Ace Attorney, I never knew of this game, so when I saw the name Herlock Sholmes I laughed sooo hard, it felt unreal af, it was hilarious, but it's good to know the real reason on why.
There's always workaround or a loop hole in rules. You just have to recognize and find it.
Dang, so Disney's assholer-y over Mickey's copyright inadvertently extended the time it would take for Capcom to localize GAA?
Their reach is truly shocking...
Capcom’s pretty bad as a company, but its creative teams are pretty talented nonetheless.
Doyle Estate: "This character is protected by US copyright law!"
Capcom localization team: "Hold my pen."
Damn, the Ace Attorney puns are plentiful.
I'll never *not* be waiting for Investigations 2 though...
Play the fan translation. It is as good as the official releases.
Donan Coyle Estate be pissed lmao
PANR has tuned in.
The localized version will probably have some references to LeBlanc's works just out of a victory lap
This gives me hope that we will get an official translation of aai2
5:01 Ah, so that's why the Lupin III anime had a crossover movie with the Detective Conan Anime.
I feel bad for Scarlet Study but I will always appreciate their hard work
They allowed me to play the first of these games a lot earlier than I would otherwise have been able to, so yes, I appreciate their hard work too! It was a fan translation almost on the level of the AAI2 one!
I’ve never played Ace Attorney in my life but I still enjoyed this video.
Thank you Leblanc for coming up with the idea to change up the name to Herlock Sholmes when your wrote that Arsène Lupin book.
Like a Gentleman Thief
Herlock Sholmes... The greatest name of all time.
The problem was finally solved, Sherlock Holmes is now 100% in the public domain, all of the original Arthur Conan Doyle's stories are no longer under copyright.
Just because Capcom is doing what Capcom does, those are juste excuses, they could have chose this name earlier and if I'm not mistaken the Japanese audio available in the WW game uses the name "Holmes"
And exactly why did it take Capcom 4 YEARS to figure out they could circumvent the copyright by changing Sherlock Holmes to Herlock Sholmes?
It's possible that Capcom's developers only just discovered the story involving Lupin and Holmes recently, and upon reading over it, they discovered that simply moving the S in his name would allow them to dodge copyright issues. Basically, the recently found out that history has proven that works, so they ran with it and also made it a cool reference to a hilarious copyright battle.
Did you even watch the video? They were waiting for the Arsene Lupin stories with Herlock Sholmes to enter public domain. Other Arsene stories must have entered it earlier.
Fun fact: if I’m not mistaken, capcom is also part of the reason that weird localized jojo stand names exist. When they released their part 5 game, there was apparently some problems with the Prince song references which may have contributed to the cancellation of the international release. But this is kind of speculation so maybe I shouldn’t call it a “fun fact” lol
I'm preordering the physical copy for my Switch Lite.
Sorry that I am 2 years late with this comment, but since you did this video, I think I would like to see a video of Why Gyakuten Kenji 2 or Ace Attorney Investigations Miles Edgeworth 2 Prosecutor’s Path never got Localized out of Japan, like ever. Since the Great Ace Attorney came to America 2 years ago, the only Ace Attorney game left that was never brought to America or any other country out of Japan is Gyakuten Kenji 2 or Ace Attorney Investigations Miles Edgeworth 2 Prosecutor’s path.
It makes me wonder how Aksys got away with Herlock Sholmès in Code Realize then?