Midas M32C Small Band Set Up w/PA System Tune
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- This video shows setting up a RCF PA system with a Midas M32C for a small band. The video shows the show file, routing, and basic set up of the PA and the tuning of the room.
I shot the video for training for new engineers to our band. I figured I would share with the rest of the sound human world. 
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Damn I wish I could work with people like you that want to be organized and efficient
Very cool. I am always looking for how I can make my setup better. Thanks for sharing.
Whatever you charge . Your worth every penny my friend ! Good stuff
Got me right in the feels!!! Thanks for the kind words friend!!
Ringing out your PA just to make the mic not feed back is just notching out important frequencies and basically punishing the other instruments tone. Don't do that. Use the channel EQ to keep the mic from feeding back and if you need more frequencies, run it into a bus and use that EQ as well. Don't punish the sound of your whole mix just because of a single mic.
It is right, this is what i do when mixing the audio, just use the channel eq to rid of the feedback
I think it makes sense in some situations particularly for a wireless presenter mic, like I think the one he used is for. Talking in front of the PA basically
I find placing like mics together in a bus and EQing/rining there, to be best, for me. This prevents any degradation of other channels such as music playback, or guitars, for example. I'd do more of the tuning of the room on the matrix end. Leave the channel EQ available for coloring/subtractive EQ taylored to each vocal/instrument. This way you spread the load, doing a little fixing here, little color there, until you have a well polished mix. Great setup man, I love seeing peoples mobile racks and how they plan it out with their logic; very well planned.
I’ll be watching all your videos. Thank you very much. You help me a lot.
Thank you for the kind words!!
Useful system and video! Thanks :)
In my system, instead of the 18X4 analog snake, added an S18 Stage box and routed it with AES50. Saves a munch of patch plugs. Recently picked up the M32C and love it. Only down side is the lack of 1/4 inch inputs, so you have to carry more DI. Down side of the stage box is it requires power. The upside is it carries the ultranet for the P16 personal mixers. Nice to plug that into the stage box instead of the console.. Really nice for bands that prefer a personal mixer for ears.
Great set up.. thanks.
perfect combination. rcf and midas system.
Amazing!
I run the X32 gonna try out the matrix thing you do.... really nice. Thanks
What a great video thank you very much
But actually when you blog the XLR cables in the stage boxes let me feel so complicated 😅 and so many questions came to my mind what about to explain more simple when you blog the cables like why you connect the inputs in the bottom stage box to the
Output on the top stage box
And i need to know how you work on the software with the stage boxes and without the mixer?
I hope you answer my questions, thanks
Omggggg. Now I can really learn how to do this instead of just throwing SKB’s 😍😍
Thanks for sharing 👌👌
What speakers and subs model are you using seems very compact
hello master, greetings, hopefully can you help me, i get that ripe of router bc your video, so far i can’t set it up, i have a sound craft mix but i suppose is the same thing then yours, what i doing wrong
Nice!
Hey man nice video, which camera do you use(go pro)? do you have that on your head ?
There is a lot going on here very complicated but dope I want to learn and do the iPad thing and some of this newer tech but I’m a simplistic person and love the ease of my mixing board and being able to touch and turn my knobs I only do simple sound for other djs and parties in ballrooms and venues so I try and keep it simple as possible running bands ain’t easy I want to learn one day but I ain’t no rush my mind would be on overload lol
Man, you are Quick. 15min in, and everything is set up. That usually takes me like an Hour or more. One Thing, I like to do different though: I usually tur Racks like that the other way. So that the connectors are facing the wall. Yes, that makes you walk a few extra feet every time, but the audience doesn't have to look at all the lights an cables. I feel like it just looks a little bit better.
Everything was in the room before the video started, so load in was already done. Also by the end of the video no instruments were set up, and no soundcheck. Man had a way to go before showtime.
@@jackrussellbruce7565 I like the lights and cables !!!
Hey Billy, do you have any videos about mixing in-ears? I've been trying to dial in my X32 rack for a couple of years, but can't seem to dial it in perfect for isolation without overwhelming background noise.
I don’t specifically, but that’s a great idea for a video! The best advice I can give is to put as few things in the mix as possible. Start with your vocal mics as they will give you a good majority of ambience, and add things back in from there. There is a misconception about in ears in the sense that people think there will be a lot isolation. The mix will change with the room, different performers etc. Start with only vocals in their ears and build from there. Stage volume is also a huge factor. Drummers especially tend to play louder with both ears in. If a drummer is playing too loud, ask them to pull one ear out.
What multiport charger is that?
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Hey Billy, this is a very informative video, i watched over and over. How many IEM are you using? Would enjoy a video explaining this in more depth. I am new to this and trying to learn more. Thanks.
Hello! This band is currently using 12 mono mixes. Anything specific that you would like me to highlight?
@@billylaguardia thanks for the info, i know so little i i dont even know what to ask. But the video you did setting up, ringing the mic and sound check was supper informative, you should do some more. You explain things very well. Thanks.
Thanks! I shot a video last weekend on tuning the system as a lot of people are commenting on it. That video will post soon.
Excellent tutorial , there are very few videos out there on the m32c + dl32 specifically , are the start files available as a paid download by any chance , or a more detailed focus on ringing out the monitors
Hi Wayne, I’m not sure if there are examples how files out in the world. However I believe you can download the M32 software for your computer to make a show file and load it onto a USB. As far as ringing out speakers, that just requires a bit of practice. My advice when you are starting is to use wide Q’s In the mid range. Start with the “nasal” frequencies centered at 1k with a -12db cut. The do the same cut around 8k. Those are both good places to start. Think about it like this: monitors are only for reference, not a super HiFi listening experience.
@@billylaguardia appreciate the reply , re the show files I was just wondering if you were selling them yourself :-) , Like some x32 RUclips channels sell presets etc , i just think you have covered a very specific area of the market with the m32c and dl32 in your videos , an area that people may Patreon pay for etc as everyone doesn’t have the time these days , thanks again for the excellent videos anyway
Superb set up! So professional
What are the red cable ties you use? I definitely need some of those
Hey Jamie, thanks for the kind words. The red clips are called Cable Clamps. www.cableclamp.com/
May i ask why you don't use the Stereo-EQ as an insert on your mains? The matrix-trick seems nice, but a simple Stereo EQ should help you fixing your problems more precisely than channel/bus/matrix EQs, right?
awesome video....currently using an XR18 but recently added a couple more musicians. looking to upgrade to a Midas system. Question is...can I run a DL32 as a standalone or is the M32C needed with the DL32??? Thanks in advance
Hey Rick, the DL32 is just the stage box, it needs a "brain", which in my set up is the M32C. You can also use a M32R or M32 is you want a control surface with faders. The DL32 will also work with the X32 series as well if you want Midas pre's with Behringer processing. Just as an FYI, the app GUI is different between the xAir and the M32/X32 consoles. Good luck!
You should be more conservative with your eq cuts when ringing out the system. You may be able to get away with a much less drastic cut on any given frequency. This way you have more headroom in your mix.
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Hi, where did you get the foam case for the mics and accessories ... that was in the pelican case?
Hi Michael, I made the foam inserts for the Pelican 1650 case. Check out LM Cases.
@@billylaguardia hey thanks, also happy new year...and stay safe...
I know this is an old video so you might not see this but I was curious about your trays as well. Did you just polyethylene foam and cut it out and add some kind of plastic on the bottom and then add handles?
Hi! Your left sub was connected to XLR out 14, your right sub was link to left sub or you plug it in separate XLR out? Can you clarify on this. Appreciate your reply bro! Thank you
The subs in the video were mono. Single XLR out with the subs linked.
So if I were to use a driverack crossover for loudspeakers. The L/R output from that would just go straight to 15 and 16?
I think you patch it to wherever your matrix left right is. Coz hes using matrixies
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the pelican with the mics, where did you get the foam from?? and what size/model case is it?
Those are Pelican 1650 cases. LM Cases did the foam fabrication. You can email Ed Davis at LM, he will take care of you: edavis@lmcases.com
Awesome tutorial and setup details. Is that Linksys Router a PoE Router?
Thanks! Nope, no POE on that model.
What pelican case and inserts are you using. Thanks!
1650. LM Cases made the foam inserts.
a question from someone with a limited budget. If you're playing rooms of 75-100 people, is it better to use a pair of 12 inch tops & a single sub or can you get a away with using a pair of 15 tops?
What’s the instruments are in the band?
@@billylaguardia two guitars, bass, drums & two vocals
I’d go with 2 - 12’s and a sub. That set up will be fine for most indoor spaces. You don’t really need a ton of PA as long as the band’s stage volume is low. The trick will be sub placement. A single sub should be placed in the center if applicable. If you aren’t on a stage you may need to make some game time decisions. You need to use your kick mic’s polar patter to your advantage or you will get feedback.
Hi! Just wondering what kind of iPad case are you using? Thanks!
Its an Otterbox
NEVER!!! lien your road case lids on the Ballroom walls. Most of the ballrooms I've worked in are very particular about scratches or tears and will charge you for damage if there is any.
Why do you ring out on LR instead of a mic bus or similar?
Personal preference. I start with the main mix buss and work backwards from there to the individual channel level. I think of the mix buss EQ as room correction with the matrix EQ as a global tone for the mix with respect to the room and the band.The channel EQ is there for mostly for problem solving.
What is the name/model of the cable case at 5:53? Been looking for something similar, but none I've found seems as large as this one. Thanks 🙂
They are Pelican 1650 cases with custom foam interiors by LM Cases.
@@billylaguardia I was thinking about the cable case on the floor. But I think I found them, SKB DH3315W, does that sound right?
@@petterrong1590 they are SKB. Not sure on the model #
Not anything to do with EQ, what pelican case is that, and what are those foam slide outs? That’s a really nice case fits all, if you don’t mind telling!
Haha!!! Thanks for the laugh Sean! It’s a Pelican 1650. LM Cases did the insert. You can email Ed Davis at LM if you have any questions: edavis@lmcases.com
I run a feedback supressor on my Mains. Minimizes EQ cuts from the mixer.
Wait, unless you're gonna answer this later on in the vid, how'd ya get 12 mono iem mixes? I thought the m32c only had 8 aux channels.
16 busses on the M32c. I run 12 auxes for ears with 4 FX banks. There are 8 "aux" input channels shown on the C, which is a little weird. Not sure what you would use these for on the C other than maybe "card" inputs. On the M32 control surfaces these are for the 1/4" jacks. On the control surface you could use them for your break music iPod or as hardware ins/outs as an example.
@@billylaguardia ah, this is the difference between 16 aux 'busses' and 8 aux 'channels'. I had assumed (since that's how everyone lese describes it) that the channels were outputs, not inputs.
What woofer size are your subs?
18"
You give a mono output for video recorders?
Yes. I mix the show in mono and I only have one available output left on the DL32.
@@billylaguardia why mono though? I mix in stereo. My own rig is dual mono/ stereo. My mixer is PreSonus 32R.
@@XIIMonkeysMusicGroup live mixes are generally mono. The first goal of a live PA deployment is coverage: “can everybody in the room hear everything”. If you pan too much in a live mix, one side of room is hearing a different mix than the other. That being said, my outputs are stereo from the console. Break music and FX are stereo.
hola buenas tardes todo esta perfecto, solo un pequeño detalle en español porfas gracias
Cool setup, but a proper pa tune requires a rta mic and pink noise. And you can do it with this system. And I wouldn’t really eq the system based on where a microphone feed backs. I think it would be more efficient to make a vca group and put a true eq on it, and ring out the mic. But never eq your system based on the frequencies of where the microphone feedbacks. But to me it’s kind of noobish to do these things, you can fix feedback with basic channel eq and and a good overall mix. And tuning your room the right way like I mentioned earlier
Where did you go to school for this?
On the job experience. I have a marketing degree 🤣🤣
Why mono sub not stereo using a way cross over
In that particular configuration, I only had 4 physical XLR outputs. L, R, Sub, and a video feed. I mix my show in mono. The only things in stereo are the FX and the break music iPod.
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I was waiting to see the big and bad Midas Console and found a rack and a Pad instead. LOL
The big and bad console per your request! 😬 ruclips.net/video/bo7iH7CPfaQ/видео.html
Might not of been an option to do at this very gig, but the first thing in regards to the subs instead of EQ is get them in the middle together. You will have all kinds of bass cancellation/phasing issues when the subs are R/L set up.
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