Not The Soap And I'm getting rehab so that I can make a comeback and finish on a respectable amd round 500 fights. And the physio is like, "Fuck yeah mate we'll make your dream come true"
That it only .well i died over 13 times learned giw to walk 4 times been shit at been stub with knife both sides n had knife throw at me stuck at the right side of my eyes had rocky mountain disease n lime disease toghter n lime by it self. Had bats n tire iron hit me . Was beating up by cops for 11 years they broken my nose n hand n fingers they even beat me so bad i could not see out of my eye for 3 months n they take me up to the mountains n beat me there n leave me there they even rape me they stuck a Billy club up my ass was git by a car riding bike got concussion whip lash nerve damage n need right shoulder replacement n right knee replacement from the accident
With all the drugs and cement heads, it had become not even about the art of hockey. Just a shyt show. Ice full of goons and the sheeple to pay and support what they want to see and feel.
Removing fighting removes the ability to stand up for your teammate and change the tide of the game. Sure you can check him but fighting is personal. It lets that guy know that you would stop the game just to fight him because he cheap shot your teammate for example. The leagues would probably lose a bit of money as well since fighting brings entertainment to the fans, and some pay tickets just because it’s the first round of the playoffs, he knows the 2 teams have bad blood, and in the previous game, one player cheap shot the other pretty bad but nobody dropped the gloves because the linesmen broke it up immediately
You don't just play to fight. You play to win, and fight when you need to stand up for your teammates or yourself. That being said, I LOVED this documentary. Not a lot of people understand how these players view the game and how they live their lives. Really well done!
I used to play against a couple teams from the area when i played junior hockey, the teams we played always wanted to be physical and try to push us around; because we were from the other side of the boarder (which was understandable), but the second you got physical with them they always would try to fight immediately after any hit; they would fight to let send a message that if you hit one of us, you will have someone follow up on it, truest form of a hockey family (always loved it, it made it fun, so you would do it back; kinda like a pissing contest between us all to see who's got whose back more). Don't get me wrong it was a hell of a fun time, but it always seemed like at some point in the game they would stop caring about scoring and just head hunt people. Definitively give credit to these guys, it was always scary when you saw you were going up to Quebec or Montreal for a tournament, its a different game up there. I'll never forget a teammate and friend of mine who is pushing 6'7 on skates finally snapping, it was like someone woke up a sleeping bear first time in my life seeing someone throw two punches and knock two people out. But, there are always down sides to this kind of play, when the game starts to get to the point where the score no longer matters, people get sloppy, people get dirty, injuries happen. I got a bad knee on knee hit my last year before college shattered my hip. But that is the game, you go in knowing that it could happen to you. You move on from the last injury and better yourself for the next time you can go out. Love the sport, love the goons, love it all. Also i own a Laplante sharks jersey.
Same here, I grew up playing same style and I found it a ton of fun. The hooking and holding and hacking actually made me better. As the game changed I found I had some skills others didnt. Like getting out of tight areas. The game today is more open and I find it like a huge pickup game. I like it but I miss the intensity of the hooking and holding. I believe a little of this should still be allowed. its a resistance that just makes you work so much harder and is actually an art to build. You gain serious skills when you excape those hooks and holds physically. Jgre even said todays game you dont have to be as strong as opposed to the 90s and I can see why he would say that. Peple have no idea how hard it is to be held and still score. It was like wow did you see how much strength that dude just showed on that play. Now its no touch, tick tack pass goal and trut me i love the new speed of the game and talent but please allow for a little more roughness and dont call every dam thing. I was just watching a game and i swear the call was like so soft. Dude barely touched his stick called it slashing I mean seriously please it was just so not right
Played the sport all of my youth and always at the highest level for my age , I can tell you with 100% truth that hockey has certain codes and if you play at a high level then you do what you need too do , know matter what ! Fighting helps keep games under controll and without it guys will be chopping each others heads off with their sticks , let them fight and not slash !
Meh, the threat of physical confrontation is whats important, not necessarily the confrontation itself. Better to play imposing, than drop gloves, fuck up your hand and head, and put your team in a shitty spot.
@@-Nobody-1 From reading your comments , I can tell you have never played the game. Fighting teams will win if they have some talent as well , same as talent teams will only win if they have some fighters! Teams that play tough but never fight , that gets found out and taken advantage of ! There is NO fear in hockey but there is pain , broken heads and hands , I should send you a pics of my hands/ knuckles and I was a top goal getter on all my teams but that said never played past junior hockey .
@@goodayehgodbless5251 ive found guys that itch for a fight are usually trying to fill a hole in their game, so to make a name for themselves they drop gloves. Just my opinion.
I played in Buffalo NY and always played at the elite level as a goalie. I attended a tryout in Guelph Ontario, at the time a Junior A team, and could not believe the amount of fights in TRYOUTS. Yes I understood then ( mid 80's) that players knew if they did not fight, they would not make the team and it was back to Junior C club hockey. While I also knew that at that time, Junior A OHL was where most of the next NHL players were coming from, for a lot of guys, making the team meant a paycheck and it kept them out of the factories, mills and farms for work knowing that they had no shot at the NHL due to the NHL going through a major change. From goon hockey to European players starting to come in and the game itself became faster and more about goal scoring than entertainment. I settled for Junior B in the states. That was the beginning of the end of my hockey career. I should have stayed in Canada. LOL. Still the best sport on earth.
Just curious at that level of hockey and with an age limit with no chance at the nhl what do most players do after it's over? I guess they are in their early 30s so what jobs are out there for guys with a limited resume? I like your comment and it all makes sense so I thought you would be perfect to answer it.
If you don't have rich parents you never have a chance playing high level hockey unless your at a highschool with a good team and you get picked up by Michigan or a D1 NCAA school because you will never afford to play AAA Bantam and peewee its full time and super expensive
@vibratingstring ok so you earn a degree in your late 30s or possibly 40s? I mean life is kinda harder later on in life and going to school doesn't make it any easier. All for a hobby that was leading no where? I know a few guys and they struggle big time bc all they know is hockey and they were taken out of class in middle school to play tournaments which left them with a little education. All sports are a money grab but hockey right now is all about money and that's it. Real hockey stopped in the late 90s.
Lots of hockey playe rs over the border were scared to come here and play because of stuff like this and story’s they heard. Way too many goons and brutal mining/oil town dude's that have been bareknuckle fighting since a young age. Very territorial and will head hunt players just because they’re not from here. Seen dudes slash at faces with sticks and stop caring completely about the score and just want to knock you out. Most brutal league in the world. Also what they don't tell you in this documentary is the hells angels ties to this league and organized crime. Why do you think there's so much talk about prison and gunplay 😂.
hockey is not football, there arent 75 players on each team. this sport is one of the hardest to get pro in, the amount of people that play compared to the amount that make it pro is mind blowing to be honest. its a hard game, and taking out enforcers is only making it harder.
There are two teams on each football team. Offense and defense and each part of the team gets to sit down for fifteen minutes or longer. There's tons of commercial breaks, time outs and each play is an average of five seconds long. Then they run off 40 seconds before running the next play. It's a really boring sport to watch live. I've played hockey, basketball, football and baseball and without a doubt hockey is the greatest sport ever.
Actually a lot of them have played professional like NHL KHL AHL and the level of hockey is good but the dumbass and cheap shot artist give the league a bad rep but it's improving every year
This was great! I just wish their games were streamed so we could watch them in the states...Its like going to the fights and a hockey game breaking out....Thanks!
Fighting should happen when players are competing at a high level trying to win. Everyonw who has played hockey understands how frustration can boil over. Fighting for some type of cheap show isnt hockey. The game shouldnt come second to the fighting
Thank you, from someone else that has actually played the game played the game. I do think that they need to loosen up on penalties. When I played played in college half of the shit they call now in the NHL would not have been called. Let them play the players will regulate the cheep shots when it is necessary.
as an American woman who has never played the game, as a fan ven I understand what fighting brings to the game, it helps the guys on the ice police themselves, as well as the psychological aspects of the.."well your team may be winning on the scoreboard, but the season isn't over, and next time, we will be the team on the scoreboard, and you'll respect this sweater!"
I like the fighting but now A days it's all about the scorers. Since there is so much scorers there is no room for enforcers because if the other team has a bunch of great scorers and you have a couple enforcers that you drafted higher up you going to lose because you drafted a enforcer who is most likely not a great scorer.
I am sorry but for all you sensitive people that get offended by everything and are so worried that other people are offended you need to stop trying to change everything. Unless you were raised in a hockey watching/participating family or you simply love the sport you wouldn't get it. Fighting is part of hockey.
This is exactly the USHL back in 81-82. I played for the Waterloo Blackhawks. Came from an elite catholic high school in St Paul Minnesota. The only reason I made the team was because I fought in the first preseason game. What a league. Our coach smoked weed on the bus trips. Daily cocaine, weed, drinking, groupie women. It was a blast!
That's wild, today's USHL players are more likely to spend their evenings doing cardio & foam rolling than snorting coke & finger banging groupies 😂😂😂 I'm half kidding but it's probably bc high-level hockey no longer has a place for any low-skill/high character "glue" guys, with the speed of today's game even 4th liners are elite skaters w/decent hands
Lots of hockey players over the border were scared to come here and play because of stuff like this and story’s they heard. Way too many goons that will head hunt Americans and other players over seas just because they’re not from here. Seen dudes slash at faces with sticks and stop caring completely about the score and just want to knock you out. Most brutal league in the world.
Just a few things to point out. St-Jacques is defenceman, not a forward. And the league average for ticket sales for each game during the playoffs this year, was over 2000 per game this for the first time in about 10 years, with less fights then ever before during the playoffs. The documentary is nice, but please get your facts straight , you're suppose to be journalists. Btw Laval and Trois-Rivières (the two places you been at during the video) have had the worst attendance in the league for 2 years straight, so they aren't exactly the standard bearer for the rest of the league.
@@DontBeClueless514 it's 2 games, could have just been a replacement player that was pulled in from a junior team for a couple games. It happens in plenty of leagues.
I love seeing fighting in hockey, it's a piece of the sport that could change a teams momentum and the outcome of a game. But if you go to a hockey game or watch it on tv JUST to see the fighting then in my honest opinion you are watching it for the wrong reasons. I'm not saying do away with fighting, so don't get me wrong because I love watching it as much as everybody else but what I am saying is you probably don't care much about the sport if that's the only reason you watch it.
People who actually think this shit is better than NHL doesn't have true appreciation for the sport. People who are quick to point out that "Well, in the 70s/80s...." Dude, that sport has evolved. This is no longer hockey. There is no skill in this league. This is just a place where enforcers go to have fun.
Lmao if the nhl still drafted goon canadians from oil/mining towns the euro players would be getting very hurt 😂. Tons of euro players refuse to even play up here.
here is another lesson - it's always the people who cannot play hockey very well that start fights. this is a 100% fact and anyone why actually played hockey knows it. the less skills you have, the more agressively you play =(.
It's true that Ovechkin has absolutely no talent. Damn these hitters, fighters and trash talkers. It's absolutely not them that make this sport so unique.
The only bad thing about goons of back then is that they can't ice skate properly and have no skills. I consider the Backes and Co as the goons of today.
dave barnett ECHL is way too high for these guys to even try out for. This is the last stop for most of these guys. Historically many of the best players were guys ending a long career where they played at much higher levels previously.
New NHL is boring as fuk at times. You know jack shit. Passion has been removed, teh calls are soft as shit,, any wimp ass can play today, not back in the day. I would not mind the new game if they allowed a little more to go down but they have removed the passion and fight of the players from the game and that has made it sterile as fuk. Unless you played on both eras shut your face you know jack shit. Betteman is a wimp ass who created a game that even a wuss like himself could play see. He envisioned a nicey nicey soft game. Best hockey ever was detroit and colorado days. Man you will never ever see more passion. Fans where out of thier seats all game and they loved it. I know I did. In the day late 90s pre lockout you needed skill and balls.. Today you only need skill so sad
Josh Jones exactly. People need to stop trying to change shit. I promise that if fighting was banned from all hockey leagues that it would hurt their ratings.
It would hurt ratings but I believe true hockey fans like myself can live without it. I loved watching the big boys go at it but there were way to many ugly incidents on the ice and off. I think Derek Boogard was the icing on the cake. No matter what hockey will always be the greatest sport ever invented.
ghytgb yeah I agree hockey is the best, but if they do that in the NHL I will look elsewhere to watch hockey. it's an integral part of the game, changes do need to be made, but not what the NHL has been proposing
I explain that to people that ask me about fighting in the game. I know it should be in there but the pricks that make the calls have a product to sell and they want it to look nicey nicey to draw in more fans. I totally agree with cutting out the blind side head shots and the new icing rule. Defensemen were getting drilled because opponents didn't have the skill to work the puck out of their defensive zone. Now it's if you dump the puck and win the race you're the one that's gonna take the hit. Great rule change there. You never know. Maybe Bettman will croak and Tony Twist will become President one day! Peace.
If I wanted to be watching a slow ass game id be watching soccer, baseball, football or golf. If I wanted to watch fighting id be watching MMA or boxing If i want to see high skilled players at high speed hitting hard, skating fast, scoring goals, as a canadian I watch hockey. Of course fighting is part of the game and has an incredibly important (and entertaining) role, but when it comes to an extreme like in this league, it slows the game down and makes it much less entertaining for me personally. But hey, maybe im the minority. To me, if youre watching hockey for the fights, you should be watching MMA or boxing instead.
Gotta give these tough men respect but, because of medical research into CTE, their days are numbered. Selling a few extra beers every game isn't going to pay lawyer's fees if something terrible happens.
Fighting and concussions are a risk you have to take when you play hockey. And people don’t just fight because they want to, they fight to protect their team
20 years ago I used to go in St-Hyacinthe and Sorel to watch it. I remember the fights between Manuel Frechette and Jon "Nasty" Mirasty, it was an incredible show. The crowd was berserk, some excited and some enraged. My favorite call from a fan was , "Manges y l'foie!!" that would roughly translate to "Bite his liver off!!" 😂. Great times for sure but at some point I stopped going for some reason...
493 fights AND shot up!!! How anyone can argue that hockey is not the toughest ( and greatest) sport played by some of the most tough individuals to walk the earth!?
As a fan of a league with a similar skill level, fights are somewhat common here. The crowd always gets into it because we're all hockey fans, that's how the game works everywhere. We don't all go to hope to see out favorite enforcer drop the gloves and fight. We like it for excitement, but that has nothing to do with why most of us go to the games. We mostly go because we love hockey. We love the goals, amazing displays of skill, and for the people of age, beer. Most everybody likes the fights, but to say lots of people show up just for fights is plain wrong. We go because we get to watch hockey. For those who wonder what league I'm talking about: FHL. Go T-Birds :)
My dad played in this league in the early 2000s..he told me that his team was owned by a guy from the Hells Angels and before each game. The owner was bringing all the goons in “the special room”(thats how they called it) to give them a “little boost”❄️👃🏼before to go on lol
i went see a few game .. with my dad .. with 2 of my highschool teachers ... when i was still in highschool ... we were only talking with SlapShot quotes .... good times.
I played in a city league and had to referee a few games , talk about a conflict of interests . There were two big guys who always went at it sometime in the game . They would would even be eye balling each other during the warm ups. They were 6' + and over 190 lbs. . I'm 5' 8" and 140 lbs. and a defensemen . When I referee's their game , I told their coaches and them I would give them 5 min. game misconduct penalties right from the get go . It did not matter ! I had to go to work the next day and it was hard enough to play hockey at night and go to work the next day. At least I had protection as a player . It is part of the game , just as checking is . One thing leads to another and the gloves are dropped . One player we had was amazing ! He was my size and did not wear shoulder pads ( Like Bobby Orr ) , a helmet ( until it was required ) and no shine pads . He was an amazing skater and had a great slap shot . The first time a goon went after him , we held our breaths ! He was out weighted and out sized . Before the gloves hit the ice , he hit the guy with four or five punches and knocked him out cold ! His father was a golden gloves champion boxer and he was boxing since he was 6 or 7 years old. No one bothered him again . We paid his yearly dues to play ! The fans love it and they pay the bills !
If we’re talking about a hockey league with no media attention, look at the Elite League in the UK. Never gets mentioned in the media but attracts up to 10k fans each game
Not really sure why other sports like to allude fighting or a random pile of bodies as "a scrum". A rugby scrum is actually a very intricate play with tight, precise movements that are under a lot of force.
There's this sport called Mixed Martial Arts - in this sport, there are is no game to distract the fans from the fighting. The object of the game in hockey is to put the puck in the net of the opponent's team - not to put your fists in the opposing team's faces as hard as you can
Bunch'a Tough FrenchMen! ! lol. Constantly brawling like this can be really mentally traumatizing... as well as physically. How it will effect you're mental state doesn't necessarily matter how tough or mentally 'Hard" you are.. living day to day knowing that you're going to be bare knuckle fighting, taking monster knuckles to the face, getting concussions, breaking hands is a hard reality. BUT just like a boxer or MMA fighter.. it is ultimately THEIR own choice to play & fight. So if that's what they're willing to do.. let em do it.
I'm old. I could play rough, skate, win faceoffs, set plays and score I really miss it. it is the speed of it. Greatest team sport ever. What I miss is the connection. i miss our goalie and our captain.
As a hockey fan from the UK I'm surprised to be honest this league is still going as it has a terrible reputation around the hockey World from the videos I've seen over the years it just looks like wwe on ice.
What they don't tell you in this documentary is the hells angels ties to this league. Why do you think there's so much talk about prison, shootings, etc. The hells angels have club houses all over Canada and own strip clubs, properties, businesses, etc.
the real reason fighting is so rare in the NHL now is that the game is really being built around young players, speed, and skill. Teams have no room for enforcers anymore since their AHL/CHL teams usually have good enough young talent to make real point contributions in the NHL.
xFoozle Also players see it as a business as well. They want their health and longevity to extend their career and earnings as much as possible. They’re for the most part not willing to the pay the price previous generations did for the crest on their jersey.
This is why hockey is the toughest sport on the planet. It's the only sport that you can legally have a fist fight serve a penalty and jump back on the ice and play
The fact is there arent that many players getting injured in fights and having it in the game makes people more accountable to cheapshots or dirty plays and hence could cut down on injuries that way. It seems way more often injuries happen from dirty hits.... if someone knows they might have to fight after a dirty hit then they may avoid it all together. Im not saying fighting is a good thing, but just the fact that it can happen in the NHL keeps a certain level of respect and order in the game.
Boom Chop Simple : no red line anymore. Players skates faster because of that. Thus, players now feel "safer", because of their gears. So, they did stupid things.
I'm fine with having fights to keep the players accountable for cheap shots. What the video/documentary is making it sound like is that people don't come to the game to watch good hockey, they come for the fights. That's fucking moronic.
Fighting acts almost as a pressure valve, lessens cheap shots, and most hockey players, know the players who don't/can't fight, and for the most part respect that.
There is nothing like live Hockey. I grew up in Kansas, and contrary to popular belief we would fill the hockey games in "downtown" Wichita for the ECHL Wichita Thunder. They'd have "Guaranteed fight night" that was the place to be on a Friday/Saturday night. Moved to Dallas and go to about 10 games a year and it's great, but nothing beats going to a fight and a hockey game breaking out.
I did a double-take on that one as well. AHL and Junior (possibly also AAA) is miles ahead of this. This league is for washed-up, has-been enforcers who barely made it to NHL/AHL (lasting 2-3 seasons max) or were not able to get picked up by other respectable semi-pro leagues.
I remember watching the sharks in 2008, and Danny Heatley was one of my favorites. Every time he got in a fight I was screaming at my screen for him to knock his opponent out. Fights are my favorite part of hockey and I wish the nhl would bring them back
I’m glad for a league like this... we can watch the NHL if we want to see skill and we can watch games in this league to watch some good fighting and hitting
Reminds me of the old joke:
I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out.
alecboyyes nice
Same as a saying we have at a local NASCAR Home Track in the southeast:
I went to a demolition derby and a NASCAR race broke out
Why is hockey so bloody? Because it has three periods!
alecboyyes fuck yeaaaa buddeh!! Lolol ❤️🇨🇦❤️
I was jus GNA say that lol
There's tough and there's "I've been in 493 fights, and shot nine times tough" LNAH -Enlist today.
Not The Soap And I'm getting rehab so that I can make a comeback and finish on a respectable amd round 500 fights. And the physio is like, "Fuck yeah mate we'll make your dream come true"
I finished up with 587 fights. Keep at it.
Another Moron!
Not The Soap fucking got me mate 😂😂
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Shot 9 times?!?!? That dude is the hockey equivalent of 50 cent
That it only .well i died over 13 times learned giw to walk 4 times been shit at been stub with knife both sides n had knife throw at me stuck at the right side of my eyes had rocky mountain disease n lime disease toghter n lime by it self. Had bats n tire iron hit me . Was beating up by cops for 11 years they broken my nose n hand n fingers they even beat me so bad i could not see out of my eye for 3 months n they take me up to the mountains n beat me there n leave me there they even rape me they stuck a Billy club up my ass was git by a car riding bike got concussion whip lash nerve damage n need right shoulder replacement n right knee replacement from the accident
@@chiefwhitebuffalo3614 and let me guess, when you went to school you had to walk uphill both ways?
The french language and tough men is a combination that could only happen in Canada.
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I agree
Google up the Van Doos
Hehehe damn right.
pretty much like the english language.
Fighting is part of hockey, it allows players to defend themselves and their team. You can never change that.
Enter Gary Bettman
It's changed. Forever.
With all the drugs and cement heads, it had become not even about the art of hockey. Just a shyt show. Ice full of goons and the sheeple to pay and support what they want to see and feel.
Removing fighting removes the ability to stand up for your teammate and change the tide of the game. Sure you can check him but fighting is personal. It lets that guy know that you would stop the game just to fight him because he cheap shot your teammate for example. The leagues would probably lose a bit of money as well since fighting brings entertainment to the fans, and some pay tickets just because it’s the first round of the playoffs, he knows the 2 teams have bad blood, and in the previous game, one player cheap shot the other pretty bad but nobody dropped the gloves because the linesmen broke it up immediately
@@chillsn ok wierdo
I'm Swedish, watching a film about the Canadian league with french sound and English subtitle, wtf do i do here?
Globalization
lol
the same thing anyone who doesnt speak french would do, read the english subs.
Don't skin your knuckles when you go back into your cave.
Finnish people are known for their occasional visits to the sauna, not the Swedes.
Just figured out why we have free Healthcare
I just figured out why it's running out of funding
@@speedwack wasn’t gonna last forever🤣
Exactly
Unless you played you will never understand, these guys love the sport and they love what they do. Fucking beauties
i agree. fighting is a part of the sport and is neccessary. but one guy getting in the 500 fights in wild💀
Ray Emery would fit in with this league.
Lmao
I like your channel banner btw
+Chalupa Plays Thank you, my friend made it for me.
Courtney Jensrud Ur pads are nice too
Courtney Jensrud Just noticed that
You don't just play to fight. You play to win, and fight when you need to stand up for your teammates or yourself. That being said, I LOVED this documentary. Not a lot of people understand how these players view the game and how they live their lives. Really well done!
I used to play against a couple teams from the area when i played junior hockey, the teams we played always wanted to be physical and try to push us around; because we were from the other side of the boarder (which was understandable), but the second you got physical with them they always would try to fight immediately after any hit; they would fight to let send a message that if you hit one of us, you will have someone follow up on it, truest form of a hockey family (always loved it, it made it fun, so you would do it back; kinda like a pissing contest between us all to see who's got whose back more). Don't get me wrong it was a hell of a fun time, but it always seemed like at some point in the game they would stop caring about scoring and just head hunt people. Definitively give credit to these guys, it was always scary when you saw you were going up to Quebec or Montreal for a tournament, its a different game up there. I'll never forget a teammate and friend of mine who is pushing 6'7 on skates finally snapping, it was like someone woke up a sleeping bear first time in my life seeing someone throw two punches and knock two people out. But, there are always down sides to this kind of play, when the game starts to get to the point where the score no longer matters, people get sloppy, people get dirty, injuries happen. I got a bad knee on knee hit my last year before college shattered my hip. But that is the game, you go in knowing that it could happen to you. You move on from the last injury and better yourself for the next time you can go out. Love the sport, love the goons, love it all. Also i own a Laplante sharks jersey.
Same here, I grew up playing same style and I found it a ton of fun. The hooking and holding and hacking actually made me better. As the game changed I found I had some skills others didnt. Like getting out of tight areas. The game today is more open and I find it like a huge pickup game. I like it but I miss the intensity of the hooking and holding. I believe a little of this should still be allowed. its a resistance that just makes you work so much harder and is actually an art to build. You gain serious skills when you excape those hooks and holds physically. Jgre even said todays game you dont have to be as strong as opposed to the 90s and I can see why he would say that. Peple have no idea how hard it is to be held and still score. It was like wow did you see how much strength that dude just showed on that play. Now its no touch, tick tack pass goal and trut me i love the new speed of the game and talent but please allow for a little more roughness and dont call every dam thing. I was just watching a game and i swear the call was like so soft. Dude barely touched his stick called it slashing I mean seriously please it was just so not right
Where did u play junior
I play in Canada and the most violent game we ever had was when we went down to Pitt for a tournament.
Notice how the people pushing the hardest to eliminate fighting are people who never played?
Played the sport all of my youth and always at the highest level for my age , I can tell you with 100% truth that hockey has certain codes and if you play at a high level then you do what you need too do , know matter what ! Fighting helps keep games under controll and without it guys will be chopping each others heads off with their sticks , let them fight and not slash !
Factssss
Meh, the threat of physical confrontation is whats important, not necessarily the confrontation itself. Better to play imposing, than drop gloves, fuck up your hand and head, and put your team in a shitty spot.
Teams that have a fighting culture rarely play at the highest level in their league. In my opinion.
@@-Nobody-1 From reading your comments , I can tell you have never played the game.
Fighting teams will win if they have some talent as well , same as talent teams will only win if they have some fighters! Teams that play tough but never fight , that gets found out and taken advantage of ! There is NO fear in hockey but there is pain , broken heads and hands , I should send you a pics of my hands/ knuckles and I was a top goal getter on all my teams but that said never played past junior hockey .
@@goodayehgodbless5251 ive found guys that itch for a fight are usually trying to fill a hole in their game, so to make a name for themselves they drop gloves. Just my opinion.
I played in Buffalo NY and always played at the elite level as a goalie. I attended a tryout in Guelph Ontario, at the time a Junior A team, and could not believe the amount of
fights in TRYOUTS. Yes I understood then ( mid 80's) that players knew if they did not fight, they would not make the team and it was back to Junior C club hockey. While
I also knew that at that time, Junior A OHL was where most of the next NHL players were coming from, for a lot of guys, making the team meant a paycheck and it kept
them out of the factories, mills and farms for work knowing that they had no shot at the NHL due to the NHL going through a major change. From goon hockey to European
players starting to come in and the game itself became faster and more about goal scoring than entertainment. I settled for Junior B in the states. That was the beginning of
the end of my hockey career. I should have stayed in Canada. LOL. Still the best sport on earth.
Just curious at that level of hockey and with an age limit with no chance at the nhl what do most players do after it's over? I guess they are in their early 30s so what jobs are out there for guys with a limited resume? I like your comment and it all makes sense so I thought you would be perfect to answer it.
@@theirishman088 lots of choices. None of them earn a living. From there you just play for the love of the game.
If you don't have rich parents you never have a chance playing high level hockey unless your at a highschool with a good team and you get picked up by Michigan or a D1 NCAA school because you will never afford to play AAA Bantam and peewee its full time and super expensive
@vibratingstring ok so you earn a degree in your late 30s or possibly 40s? I mean life is kinda harder later on in life and going to school doesn't make it any easier. All for a hobby that was leading no where? I know a few guys and they struggle big time bc all they know is hockey and they were taken out of class in middle school to play tournaments which left them with a little education. All sports are a money grab but hockey right now is all about money and that's it. Real hockey stopped in the late 90s.
Lots of hockey playe rs over the border were scared to come here and play because of stuff like this and story’s they heard. Way too many goons and brutal mining/oil town dude's that have been bareknuckle fighting since a young age. Very territorial and will head hunt players just because they’re not from here. Seen dudes slash at faces with sticks and stop caring completely about the score and just want to knock you out. Most brutal league in the world. Also what they don't tell you in this documentary is the hells angels ties to this league and organized crime. Why do you think there's so much talk about prison and gunplay 😂.
When you aren't good enough to box professionally or play hockey professionally
hockey is not football, there arent 75 players on each team. this sport is one of the hardest to get pro in, the amount of people that play compared to the amount that make it pro is mind blowing to be honest. its a hard game, and taking out enforcers is only making it harder.
There are two teams on each football team. Offense and defense and each part of the team gets to sit down for fifteen minutes or longer. There's tons of commercial breaks, time outs and each play is an average of five seconds long. Then they run off 40 seconds before running the next play. It's a really boring sport to watch live. I've played hockey, basketball, football and baseball and without a doubt hockey is the greatest sport ever.
Actually a lot of them have played professional like NHL KHL AHL and the level of hockey is good but the dumbass and cheap shot artist give the league a bad rep but it's improving every year
yet they get paid for doing what they love, not many people can say the same.
There are fighters even at professional in the elite leagues otherwise the pest would get away with dirty hits
This was great! I just wish their games were streamed so we could watch them in the states...Its like going to the fights and a hockey game breaking out....Thanks!
So much pain in Eric Laplante's voice.
Being drafted in the NHL, he had a winning ticket in the lottery, but made some wrong decisions along the way.
The also changed a lot during those year. Lots of players in 98-02 were still drafted based on the older needs.
Yea and convicted murderer don't forget that I feel so sad for him! Lol fuck outta here!
@@villreee5939 he murdered someone? Damn
@@nycoolj3 case ruled manslaughter
@@nycoolj3 no he didn't he was just there at the time and wouldn't snitch so he got jail time
Fighting should happen when players are competing at a high level trying to win. Everyonw who has played hockey understands how frustration can boil over.
Fighting for some type of cheap show isnt hockey. The game shouldnt come second to the fighting
Thank you, from someone else that has actually played the game played the game. I do think that they need to loosen up on penalties. When I played played in college half of the shit they call now in the NHL would not have been called. Let them play the players will regulate the cheep shots when it is necessary.
as an American woman who has never played the game, as a fan ven I understand what fighting brings to the game, it helps the guys on the ice police themselves, as well as the psychological aspects of the.."well your team may be winning on the scoreboard, but the season isn't over, and next time, we will be the team on the scoreboard, and you'll respect this sweater!"
I like the fighting but now A days it's all about the scorers. Since there is so much scorers there is no room for enforcers because if the other team has a bunch of great scorers and you have a couple enforcers that you drafted higher up you going to lose because you drafted a enforcer who is most likely not a great scorer.
I am sorry but for all you sensitive people that get offended by everything and are so worried that other people are offended you need to stop trying to change everything. Unless you were raised in a hockey watching/participating family or you simply love the sport you wouldn't get it. Fighting is part of hockey.
Well said
This is exactly the USHL back in 81-82. I played for the Waterloo Blackhawks. Came from an elite catholic high school in St Paul Minnesota. The only reason I made the team was because I fought in the first preseason game. What a league. Our coach smoked weed on the bus trips. Daily cocaine, weed, drinking, groupie women. It was a blast!
That's wild, today's USHL players are more likely to spend their evenings doing cardio & foam rolling than snorting coke & finger banging groupies 😂😂😂
I'm half kidding but it's probably bc high-level hockey no longer has a place for any low-skill/high character "glue" guys, with the speed of today's game even 4th liners are elite skaters w/decent hands
Today’s U show players drink vegetable juice and do yoga😂
Fighting should never be removed from the sport, but there's got to be a middle ground. That DDT should never happen.
rochat yea that could’ve killed the guy
"i went to a boxing match and a hockey game broke out" Rodney Dangerfield [comedian]
Andre Fluet Yeah....we know....its not funny anymore...
Fight not boxing
Lol Donald Brashear. People forget that the NHL was once a fighting league, the LNAH is just an old relic.
"North American Hockey League"
Every team is in southern Québec.
Kinda like the world series of hockey
You do realize that Canada is in North America, correct? There are actually 23 recognized nations in NA. Read a book.
@@nickkennedy3263 i think he meant like North America is a big continent but all teams are from a province in Canada
@@nickkennedy3263 whoooosh
Lots of hockey players over the border were scared to come here and play because of stuff like this and story’s they heard. Way too many goons that will head hunt Americans and other players over seas just because they’re not from here. Seen dudes slash at faces with sticks and stop caring completely about the score and just want to knock you out. Most brutal league in the world.
This just looks like boston and Montreal in the 70s not that shocking
All you clowns commenting on how it's not real hockey have clearly never been to an LNAH game. The level of play is actually pretty high.
as i Canadian i can say that if your wondering where all the pent up rage ends up its in hockey
Just a few things to point out. St-Jacques is defenceman, not a forward. And the league average for ticket sales for each game during the playoffs this year, was over 2000 per game this for the first time in about 10 years, with less fights then ever before during the playoffs. The documentary is nice, but please get your facts straight , you're suppose to be journalists. Btw Laval and Trois-Rivières (the two places you been at during the video) have had the worst attendance in the league for 2 years straight, so they aren't exactly the standard bearer for the rest of the league.
David Lagassé Vice aren’t journalists. They’re ❄️s.
i played in this league 2 games when i was 19 years old, and never again.
Whats your name?
@@brenthenderson3373 nah it wasnt that, no record of him on hockeydb under that name, prolly a fat lie. ffff
@@DontBeClueless514 it's 2 games, could have just been a replacement player that was pulled in from a junior team for a couple games. It happens in plenty of leagues.
I love seeing fighting in hockey, it's a piece of the sport that could change a teams momentum and the outcome of a game. But if you go to a hockey game or watch it on tv JUST to see the fighting then in my honest opinion you are watching it for the wrong reasons. I'm not saying do away with fighting, so don't get me wrong because I love watching it as much as everybody else but what I am saying is you probably don't care much about the sport if that's the only reason you watch it.
“Live by the sword, get the best healthcare” -Oh Canada
People who actually think this shit is better than NHL doesn't have true appreciation for the sport.
People who are quick to point out that "Well, in the 70s/80s...." Dude, that sport has evolved. This is no longer hockey. There is no skill in this league. This is just a place where enforcers go to have fun.
While that's definitely true, I still kinda miss when it was a bit grittier.
Yes, watching “skilled” players skate in circles and fall down is so much fun.
Lmao if the nhl still drafted goon canadians from oil/mining towns the euro players would be getting very hurt 😂. Tons of euro players refuse to even play up here.
@JayWaavy nice rage bait dude. A bit too obvious tho.
@JayWaavy Good! More skilled players coming into the league is always welcome
How do you make a hockey fight documentary boring
Fucking vice, man.
Dan Gurgian It’s Vice. ❄️
ok, lesson learned, dont fuck with Canadian hockey players.
here is another lesson - it's always the people who cannot play hockey very well that start fights. this is a 100% fact and anyone why actually played hockey knows it. the less skills you have, the more agressively you play =(.
what about max domi? ur telling me hes not good?
not really the bigger you are the more you pick on the small is more how it is...
It's true that Ovechkin has absolutely no talent.
Damn these hitters, fighters and trash talkers.
It's absolutely not them that make this sport so unique.
The only bad thing about goons of back then is that they can't ice skate properly and have no skills.
I consider the Backes and Co as the goons of today.
If you were first cut from an east coast league team you'd be pretty pissed off too!
dave barnett ECHL is way too high for these guys to even try out for. This is the last stop for most of these guys. Historically many of the best players were guys ending a long career where they played at much higher levels previously.
Yeah I think the 4 letter is better than this shit show. Entertaining though.
@@Teabagonyou Eric Laplante actually had decent success in the AHL, which is 100x better than ECHL, especially at that era.
I wish gary bettman would just go to an island with no wifi or any form of communication and just live there for the rest of his life
Nukez as a Winnipeger bettman can go fuck himself
Hey! Fellow Winnipeger!
I'm from Toronto, qnd I wholeheartedly agree. Fuck Bettman
Nukez he'd only go if he could take a Canadian team with him
New NHL is boring as fuk at times. You know jack shit. Passion has been removed, teh calls are soft as shit,, any wimp ass can play today, not back in the day. I would not mind the new game if they allowed a little more to go down but they have removed the passion and fight of the players from the game and that has made it sterile as fuk. Unless you played on both eras shut your face you know jack shit. Betteman is a wimp ass who created a game that even a wuss like himself could play see. He envisioned a nicey nicey soft game. Best hockey ever was detroit and colorado days. Man you will never ever see more passion. Fans where out of thier seats all game and they loved it. I know I did. In the day late 90s pre lockout you needed skill and balls.. Today you only need skill so sad
Great movie! Shows a side of hockey that we never see here in Sweden.
They should bring in Bieksa to run fight clinics in the off-season
That's because as Don Cherry would say, you people are soft and feminine
@@awfan221
Still better players in Sweden than u gayboys.
@@jensapaulsson2769 Yea ok there Ikea, no they aren't.
@@awfan221
Ikea, u r funny.
Try to answer that but Canada have nothing except hockey.
Fighting and physicality is at the heart of hockey, everyone needs to get over it. If it's too tough for you leave...
Josh Jones exactly. People need to stop trying to change shit. I promise that if fighting was banned from all hockey leagues that it would hurt their ratings.
It would hurt ratings but I believe true hockey fans like myself can live without it. I loved watching the big boys go at it but there were way to many ugly incidents on the ice and off. I think Derek Boogard was the icing on the cake. No matter what hockey will always be the greatest sport ever invented.
ghytgb yeah I agree hockey is the best, but if they do that in the NHL I will look elsewhere to watch hockey. it's an integral part of the game, changes do need to be made, but not what the NHL has been proposing
I explain that to people that ask me about fighting in the game. I know it should be in there but the pricks that make the calls have a product to sell and they want it to look nicey nicey to draw in more fans. I totally agree with cutting out the blind side head shots and the new icing rule. Defensemen were getting drilled because opponents didn't have the skill to work the puck out of their defensive zone. Now it's if you dump the puck and win the race you're the one that's gonna take the hit. Great rule change there. You never know. Maybe Bettman will croak and Tony Twist will become President one day! Peace.
If I wanted to be watching a slow ass game id be watching soccer, baseball, football or golf.
If I wanted to watch fighting id be watching MMA or boxing
If i want to see high skilled players at high speed hitting hard, skating fast, scoring goals, as a canadian I watch hockey.
Of course fighting is part of the game and has an incredibly important (and entertaining) role, but when it comes to an extreme like in this league, it slows the game down and makes it much less entertaining for me personally. But hey, maybe im the minority.
To me, if youre watching hockey for the fights, you should be watching MMA or boxing instead.
Haha it's the league from the movie goon
Exactly what I was thinking. Love that movie.
The guy with the dreads looks like he's from goon
The guy with the dreads looks like he's from goon
They guy with the dreads in the movie is georges laraque though.
Shlomo Goldnagel true shit
Gotta give these tough men respect but, because of medical research into CTE, their days are numbered. Selling a few extra beers every game isn't going to pay lawyer's fees if something terrible happens.
What’s even scarier about fighting is the fact that the guy at 2:20 is still rocking a Bluetooth
Fighting and concussions are a risk you have to take when you play hockey. And people don’t just fight because they want to, they fight to protect their team
True.
20 years ago I used to go in St-Hyacinthe and Sorel to watch it. I remember the fights between Manuel Frechette and Jon "Nasty" Mirasty, it was an incredible show. The crowd was berserk, some excited and some enraged. My favorite call from a fan was , "Manges y l'foie!!" that would roughly translate to "Bite his liver off!!" 😂. Great times for sure but at some point I stopped going for some reason...
What they won’t tell you is that hitting causes more concussions than fighting does, especially with the bigger equipment that skaters wear anymore.
493 fights AND shot up!!!
How anyone can argue that hockey is not the toughest ( and greatest) sport played by some of the most tough individuals to walk the earth!?
Love to see the physio trying to heal a guy so he can go fight 😅
My man pulled out the ddt on the ice and now I’m a fan for life
The majority of injuries and concussions are not from fighting, they're from hitting the boards or getting checked incorrectly
Omg. Ive seen him play in the ahl with the Barons! 19:00 They are one of my all time favorite teams!
As a fan of a league with a similar skill level, fights are somewhat common here. The crowd always gets into it because we're all hockey fans, that's how the game works everywhere. We don't all go to hope to see out favorite enforcer drop the gloves and fight. We like it for excitement, but that has nothing to do with why most of us go to the games. We mostly go because we love hockey. We love the goals, amazing displays of skill, and for the people of age, beer. Most everybody likes the fights, but to say lots of people show up just for fights is plain wrong. We go because we get to watch hockey.
For those who wonder what league I'm talking about: FHL. Go T-Birds :)
8:00 Guy is the white 50 Cent shot 9 times LMAO
My dad played in this league in the early 2000s..he told me that his team was owned by a guy from the Hells Angels and before each game. The owner was bringing all the goons in “the special room”(thats how they called it) to give them a “little boost”❄️👃🏼before to go on lol
True ! I work whit a guy who was on te trois-riviere team ( Labelle)
2:19 it's Kevin Owens!!!
Old time hockey. Love it!
J'avoue qu'un Québécois en tabarnak ça fait peur en criss
kawliss oui....parle s'en aux allemands de la deuxième!!! ils se pissent encore ça cuisse dans leurs tombes!
i went see a few game .. with my dad .. with 2 of my highschool teachers ... when i was still in highschool ... we were only talking with SlapShot quotes .... good times.
You can play mean and still not fight every minute.
Fighting to entertain drunks is stupid, even the toughest guys get really hurt. Longterm injuries are brutal.
I played in a city league and had to referee a few games , talk about a conflict of interests . There were two big guys who always went at it sometime in the game . They would would even be eye balling each other during the warm ups. They were 6' + and over 190 lbs. . I'm 5' 8" and 140 lbs. and a defensemen . When I referee's their game , I told their coaches and them I would give them 5 min. game misconduct penalties right from the get go . It did not matter ! I had to go to work the next day and it was hard enough to play hockey at night and go to work the next day. At least I had protection as a player . It is part of the game , just as checking is . One thing leads to another and the gloves are dropped . One player we had was amazing ! He was my size and did not wear shoulder pads ( Like Bobby Orr ) , a helmet ( until it was required ) and no shine pads . He was an amazing skater and had a great slap shot . The first time a goon went after him , we held our breaths ! He was out weighted and out sized . Before the gloves hit the ice , he hit the guy with four or five punches and knocked him out cold ! His father was a golden gloves champion boxer and he was boxing since he was 6 or 7 years old. No one bothered him again . We paid his yearly dues to play ! The fans love it and they pay the bills !
If we’re talking about a hockey league with no media attention, look at the Elite League in the UK. Never gets mentioned in the media but attracts up to 10k fans each game
Lmao pssy UK league
Great Hocumentary! Thank you for posting it!
Fier d'être québécois
pareil
Not really sure why other sports like to allude fighting or a random pile of bodies as "a scrum". A rugby scrum is actually a very intricate play with tight, precise movements that are under a lot of force.
Be scarier to play there than the NHL lol
Edward Hayes Cunningham yeah right buddy
Playing in the NHL isn't scary at all
There's this sport called Mixed Martial Arts - in this sport, there are is no game to distract the fans from the fighting. The object of the game in hockey is to put the puck in the net of the opponent's team - not to put your fists in the opposing team's faces as hard as you can
these guys are good hockey players tell how do you think they would do in your beer league?they would dominate and score every game.
no most not
Fights prevent players to be too frustrated and then start to hit opponents too dangerously.
Bunch'a Tough FrenchMen! ! lol. Constantly brawling like this can be really mentally traumatizing... as well as physically. How it will effect you're mental state doesn't necessarily matter how tough or mentally 'Hard" you are.. living day to day knowing that you're going to be bare knuckle fighting, taking monster knuckles to the face, getting concussions, breaking hands is a hard reality. BUT just like a boxer or MMA fighter.. it is ultimately THEIR own choice to play & fight. So if that's what they're willing to do.. let em do it.
I'm old. I could play rough, skate, win faceoffs, set plays and score I really miss it. it is the speed of it. Greatest team sport ever. What I miss is the connection. i miss our goalie and our captain.
As a hockey fan from the UK I'm surprised to be honest this league is still going as it has a terrible reputation around the hockey World from the videos I've seen over the years it just looks like wwe on ice.
What they don't tell you in this documentary is the hells angels ties to this league. Why do you think there's so much talk about prison, shootings, etc. The hells angels have club houses all over Canada and own strip clubs, properties, businesses, etc.
the real reason fighting is so rare in the NHL now is that the game is really being built around young players, speed, and skill. Teams have no room for enforcers anymore since their AHL/CHL teams usually have good enough young talent to make real point contributions in the NHL.
xFoozle Also players see it as a business as well. They want their health and longevity to extend their career and earnings as much as possible. They’re for the most part not willing to the pay the price previous generations did for the crest on their jersey.
Lol the reason they don't draft the goons from Canada anymore is because they wanna protect the pssy euros
Slap Shot legacy is alive and well in QC!
I knew somebody would talk bout it
Francis Lessard is certified crazy
. Watched him go nuts before in the AHL.
along with Dale Purinton
just hearing the name Brashear brings me back
15:50 jUsT a DdT i DiD 😂😂
The concussion doesn't happen from fighting...it's the crazy mid ice/head down bulldozer hits that do it! The league knows this too!
Not true
That’s not true
I just drink some hand sanitizer and all the face pain goes away
Maybe the UFC should sponsor this and before each game there can be a fight with ufc judges. The team that wins the fight gets a point lol.
17:19 when you realise how baked you are..
lol
There's garage leagues and then there's barn leagues like these peppers.....
Its not a garage league u idiot you didnt even saw a game for fuck sake
Has anyone else been hooked on hockey fights for months lol they are great
CALISSE quon est des malades : )
"VISE LA GORGE CALISS ! !!"ahahahah chu mort
ça sonne parisien ton affaire!!!
KAWLISS!!!
This is why hockey is the toughest sport on the planet. It's the only sport that you can legally have a fist fight serve a penalty and jump back on the ice and play
The fact is there arent that many players getting injured in fights and having it in the game makes people more accountable to cheapshots or dirty plays and hence could cut down on injuries that way. It seems way more often injuries happen from dirty hits.... if someone knows they might have to fight after a dirty hit then they may avoid it all together. Im not saying fighting is a good thing, but just the fact that it can happen in the NHL keeps a certain level of respect and order in the game.
Boom Chop
Simple : no red line anymore. Players skates faster because of that.
Thus, players now feel "safer", because of their gears. So, they did stupid things.
I'm fine with having fights to keep the players accountable for cheap shots. What the video/documentary is making it sound like is that people don't come to the game to watch good hockey, they come for the fights. That's fucking moronic.
I'm very interested in this video. But it's hard to have to read the subtitles while I want to watch the video as well.
If people don't like it don't watch, why do snowflakes dictate everything for everyone
They stopped watching that's why crowd turnout is so low
Fighting acts almost as a pressure valve, lessens cheap shots, and most hockey players, know the players who don't/can't fight, and for the most part respect that.
The majority of concussions in hockey come from the hits not the fighting
False. 90% hits are on boards which are harmless
Except for the French language, I thought I was watching the movie "Slap Shot" there for a minute w/the fans yelling all the f bombs at the guy's!😄😄
@@nolensvolens732 Not quite at Cult status here in the States, but def a favorite for us Boomers!
I thought LaPlante was a cool dude with bad luck until I saw the dirty scumbag shit he did to that guy at 15:51
There is nothing like live Hockey. I grew up in Kansas, and contrary to popular belief we would fill the hockey games in "downtown" Wichita for the ECHL Wichita Thunder. They'd have "Guaranteed fight night" that was the place to be on a Friday/Saturday night. Moved to Dallas and go to about 10 games a year and it's great, but nothing beats going to a fight and a hockey game breaking out.
This is how we play hockey in quebec tabarnack
C'est de l'orthographe ça, pas de la grammaire. Just sayin'
+Le Tigidou tyl
FUCKING RIGHT! we have latin blood and we are passionate
Osti de crisse de tabarnak osti calisse de viarge
Yes lets go collisse, qui est à Sherbrooke icite
Exact calis
Did she say it's the best hockey in Quebec other than the nhl......? @vice someone needs to do a little fact checking here
I did a double-take on that one as well. AHL and Junior (possibly also AAA) is miles ahead of this. This league is for washed-up, has-been enforcers who barely made it to NHL/AHL (lasting 2-3 seasons max) or were not able to get picked up by other respectable semi-pro leagues.
These guys are like the charlsetown chiefs
I’m from Quebec and omfg I love hearing OSTI DE TABARNAK CASSE LUI LA GEULE CALISSE
Full contact beer league. Smh
@0:12 DAMN! Looks like they play in the POLL - Pissed Off Lumberjack League!
Fighting is what makes these guys tougher than football baseball in any other sports you can think of
I remember watching the sharks in 2008, and Danny Heatley was one of my favorites. Every time he got in a fight I was screaming at my screen for him to knock his opponent out. Fights are my favorite part of hockey and I wish the nhl would bring them back
Theyre still there. You watch at all bud?
Got a feeling hockey is going to be like basketball in a couple years. Refs love sucking that whistle.
The Exterminator like they love sucking Bettman's di---- sorry, I've just been sued by the nhl
Boy you were wrong the NHL is thriving at the moment
I’m glad for a league like this... we can watch the NHL if we want to see skill and we can watch games in this league to watch some good fighting and hitting