man i miss making these kinds of videos. maybe i should make more! what game do you want to see on PC?? watch more PC remaster videos: ruclips.net/p/PLPBVb36G1PK2NUCoPCkgo2-cWFzvNRqMZ&si=ELPmzJkDCLju2KnD5oyZMQ
"Take a look and see if you can tell a difference between 1080p and 4K." Me, watching in 480p on my phone during my lunch break: "Quite interesting..."
I've learned in most cases your phone can run videos in higher res, it's just your carrier throttling it. It's why they have plans that claim to support higher res video when they all use the same cellular. Just turn on a VPN and you'll notice you get way less lag and videos will play in higher res. I do it all the time.
HDR dev here, nice to see you enjoying the mod! You're able to wavedash completely horizontally (no need to hold the stick diagonally), so if you feel like the wavedashes feel a little short, that may be why. Other than that, try checking in the tips section in the vault, don't be afraid to try the nightly updates (you'll get to try new content before they hit beta releases), and keep your eyes out for new content! We've got a ton of stuff in the pipeline for the next beta (including ASDI), so look forward to it! Edit: To specify (in case it wasn't clear), I am one of the devs on the dev team. Different people work on different parts of the game. For example, I write the tips, and made most of the changes to Pichu.
Also, rollback netcode, as far as I know, is being worked on for Smash Ultimate in emulators. Emulation is not perfect, but basically everything you highlighted are just some of the reasons why I am a huge advocate for emulation for all platforms. Nintendo and most other companies have shown time and time again that they are not willing to do what it takes to preserve gaming history in a convenient and fair way for the consumers. Therefor, we have to take matters into out own hands. Major shoutout to the legends who work on these emulators.
Bruh but this is quite literally piracy right now, for previous titles rhat havent been ported sure yeah do it but this is a relevant game on a relevant platform today, its just piracy right now
@@CharmedReally7 Bruh I got the OLED Switch a couple of months back and still buy their games. But when I can play them on my PC with better performance and higher resolution if I please, along with my pro controller or XBOX controller, then why wouldn't I? Nintendo has taken away many services and games over the years and if it wasn't for the emulation scene, we would not be able to play those games ever again. If you hack your switch and dump your games, then it's not piracy, but of course if you just download them and don't buy their games, then yes of course it's piracy. The focus of my comment was to highlight that emulation is important for the preservation of games, and when your console either fails or Nintendo does not support it any longer and you can't buy it outside of the second hand market for several hundreds if not thousands of dollars down the line, you are going to be thankful that someone made it possible for you to still be able to play your games and that they started early to make it happen.
@@MINI_91 well everything you said you did i have no problem with, its just that literally the majority of people use emulators of modern platforms to pirate games, it's a fact
@@ShiddyKong he's talking about the lag thing with a never used character. Just play the game normally. I don't see how this is at all encouraging "to play all the characters". big cringe moment. Playing it normally will eventually give you the same results. what exactly are you preparing for by removing lag with every character? Playing 8 player randoms would be a better idea than "head empty"
@@bitdoge5944 I’m curious why this comment pissed you off so much, or maybe I’m just misreading your tone. I get calling it cringe to hate on something for no reason but Krow is just finding a way to appreciate something
just a quick note: while dash dancing is different in the mod, you could dash dance in ultimate and it isnt smash 4's weird long dash dance which is more similar to what was done in the video.
@@spaghetnoodle7706 in ultimate, "dash dancing" is just jerking the running startup animation back and forth melee dash-dancing is being able to dash in the other direction immediately with no startup by tapping and is therefore much more functional in a battle scenario
idk if anyone mentioned this yet but iirc the shader cache for characters are different when in a match with 4 or less players and in a match with 5+ characters so basically if you're doing 8 player smash with a character you haven't used in 8 player smash the emulator still needs to load the shader cache
@@ElXando1993 tbh idk the details i just read somewhere that they're different when looking for a way to reduce lag in my first time playing using emulator
Two tip: 1. You can use a save editor to unlock all the characters. 2. Make sure you have hazards on when using hdr stages other wise some like fourside break.
I dig the coverage of Smash Ultimate here. I don't have the funds to afford to keep getting better hardware, so it's nice to get a look at how a future-proofed Smash Ultimate would look for those who have the power to run it.
Hey HDR dev here I’m glad you enjoyed our mod I was stoked to see you come back to both show the world the greatness of Ryujinx and HDR! There are tons of things still subject to change and that includes the stages and their general functionality, many of which have big plans (so expect those big stages to make a return at some point). Our next update is also gonna be one of the biggest yet so if you’re looking to make more HDR content the next beta release will have you covered 👍 And side note: as for me in particular I work on visuals and am planning on doing character changes (with big reworks for Steve and Mega Man to come). As for some good examples I’ve made the new Battlefield, FD, Small Battlefield as well as PS3 (appropriately Galar themed). I also am one of the creators of our skin pack which will be receiving a big update in the coming months too and will promptly be integrated into our launcher as an optional install. And for that launcher in question it may or may not be receiving some emulator support in the future 🫡
Here are some points i would like to add -since yuzu and ryujinx load shader caches you need to load them as you said,however,to have an initially better performance,both emulators have an option to make the emulator load shader cache without “remembering” the shaders so the game will overall run smoother the first time but it won’t be better next time -another thing emulator helps for is the accessibility of it,for example,while there was a mod that allowed to use different controllers on the switch (which i’m pretty sure doesn’t work now) by itself you are limited to first party controllers and weird third party controllers,however on emulators you can use pretty much anything -while other emulators have constantly been getting better and better over the years since yuzu (which was not the emulator used in this video) is a bit inconsistent,it’s not unusual that there are minor or big glitches during the game,ryujinx is much more consistent however it has slightly worse performance -you can get shader caches from other people to have an initially better performance,however it can be hard to find shader caches for new games That’s about it,i agreed with most of what you said in this video
@@Snozzer How did you get smash ultimate on PC. I would love to setup mods but i have a newer model of switch and also don't want to risk getting banned. any help would be greatly appreciated!
How much better would things be if Nintendo instead of holding out, went in the direction of Sega and we had Mobile and PC Nintendo games. Imagine Steam Workshop for Smash.
5:00 probably because your computer connects to your controller faster, or if you mean FPS wise, its your GPU. its all just hardware related. The switch is portable, which means it has to cut down on some things, that includes bluetooth connections.
btw you can dash dance in vanilla ultimate, like, extremley fast with every character. you have to be very good at mashing the control stick fast and i reccomend using the palm of your right hand to do it but its pretty easy.
There’s ways around no c-stick support. Kinda weird ik but if you really want it you can use something like xpadder to map “forward” and “A” to a single directional input.
Speaking of 4K, I got a PS5 last month. Some games run in 4K despite my 1080p TV, and it seriously looks better than regular 1080. It makes a pretty big difference even if you can't output it.
Supersampling babbbbbyyyyyyyy Rendering at higher resolutions and then outputting it in lower res can actually help a lot with image quality and clarity so its not just a placebo
i cant say this for certain but the ps5 may be able to tell if its on a 1080p TV and instead of trying to run it in 4k native which it would use on a 4k display it most likely uses a 4k upsampling technique to make the image look better.Speaking of a 4k TV, TCL makes good 4k tv's with HDR and stuff for like 300 bucks.I use one, its not as good as my Samsung I used to have before I tipped the TV and shattered its screen but for 300 bucks it looks at least 80% quality of what my Samsung TV had and that was like a 1100 dollar TV
i have this on Yuzu and it sucks. Always has stutters or frame pacing issues even after full shader compilation no matter what settings or render settings you use. Is Ryujinx better at smash? It just runs "ok" on Yuzu
If _you're_ getting lag spikes after loading shader cache still because your CPU is outdated, then *I* definitely will have problems trying to run _any_ switch game on the laptop. I just wish there was like an option to load all the cache before you open the game (Like what Dolphin emulator has) that would help my laptop considerably.
you are wrong tho, because he is building the cache that is why it freezes a bit, and yes you can skip the freeze and building your own cache by downloading someone else's but this is not the case.
The reason you can't notice 1080p on RUclips is because RUclips compresses 1080p. You might also be noticing that you're not actually watching in 1080p at all but you've been watching in 480p the entire time. TRICKED. RUclips changed it automatically. Every 5 minutes. I downloaded a plugin just for that.
You can do it much faster in hdr than he showed off, and much faster than base game even with perfect l-stick tilts. And it is useful in this game, that'd be like saying dash dancing in melee is useless.
If you experience constant lag on your TV, you can try setting it to game mode, or changing the response time in the settings, some TVs change the response time when you set them to game mode. Also you can download 100% saves on emulators to unlock all characters on Smash Bros for example.
If I had a very buff PC, I would use it for modding and I wouldn't be surprised if Smash Ultimate gets the Slippy treatment in the far future because how far modding has come in a somewhat short period of time compared to Brawl and Melee.
One thing to keep in mind with 4k on RUclips on the point made at 2:40 Bitrate is also an immense determining factor on the "quality" of an image (which is also incredibly murky when you get in the weeds) RUclips 4K has a much higher bitrate, meaning that even not factoring your point on pixel compression it will automatically look better on busier forms of video.
I think everything looks cool here, but my only problem is how slow knockback goes. The biggest problem I’ve seen with older smash games is that you never truly feel an impact from the super strong hits because they send the opponent so slowly. I feel ultimate on the switch is at just enough knockback speed that it doesn’t remove some responsiveness when playing but it’s also fast enough that when you get sent to the blastzone, you’re there in a second and then either out of hitstun or in the blastzone.
This video was really cool! I love that you left so much to test out as part of the video and it got to feel like we experienced it alongside you! (Even tho this was already recorded obviously)
I know I'm a bit late to the party, but if you're using a Mayflash adapter, switch it to Wii U mode and look up Delfinovin. It's a program that allows a Wii U gc adapter to spoof as an Xbox 360 controller. It also works as an input viewer and you can tweak trigger and stick sensitivity. Hope this helps homie
"Unless you have a really keen eye you wouldn't notice that this Smash has been modded" Dude that Falcon Punch came out YEARS earlier than vanilla would there's no way people wouldn't notice Also Steve turning red but come on
a few qeustions about the emulator 1st will it work on a laptop? because thats what i have. also is this leagal? i am in middleschool i am WAY to young to get in legal trouble. also could i download and use mods from game banana? i also realy wanna do this but need to know about theese. edit: forgot to ask this but what about dlc?
A point about 4K and higher resolutions. We are approaching a point where technical specifications exceed the point in which humans can reliably perceive them. You have to be sitting very close to a fairly large TV to begin to get an actual benefit out of 4k. Most people will not be able to reliably tell the difference between a decently sized TV at 1440p and 4k. The pixels are just too small. It is one of those things people try to tell you is worth it while their face is 6 centimeters from the screen. As for framerates there isn't any studies to suggest humans can really perceive much FPS. There has been quite a few studies on the topic but the core of the problem is that your brain can't comprehend the speed at which the images are changing (and doesn't try). We can very clearly see hz or a frame-rate up to 80. A light flickering at 80hz will flicker to us but more than that it will look solid. There is however evidence to suggest while we can't perceive the difference something in our brain is picking up on it. Humans can accurately guess frame-rates up to 150 and data from CS:GO seems to suggest that the higher the frame-rate the better your results (with dwindling returns but this could just be an artifact how the game runs). While this may seem similar to the 'lol can't see over 30 FPS anyway' there is some truth to the matter that we do have a cap on how many images can be flashed in front of our face before we stop seeing them change. And in fact some technologies over the years have taken advantage of this fact. All of this is to say that don't feel pressured over future technical specifications. It is a waste of your money.
stay in a game walking around for 20 min, beat the cpu, challenge a new character (win to unlock), home screen on character select screen, exit game. start game, play a cpu, beat cpu, challenge a new character instantly (win to unlock), home screen on character select screen, exit game. repeat until roster is unlocked. learned this from a video ZeRo uploaded around the release of ultimate. i used it when i first emulated ultimate actually lol (which was actually before buying, and then i did the same when i did buy it), and because i did it at the start, i was downloading all the shaders for every scenario as i was playing and unlocking each char. a great way to gain shaders is to do what you did towards the end as well a couple of times but with a bit more to it. max out on cpus with cpus only and no player, play a big stage with hazards on, have all items on, and have the game last for a while until it runs smoothly. then do another with completely different cpus and a different stage. after 2 or 3 times it should run smoothly. also just run through a few common stages with various characters for a bit, then after time youll just gain necessary shaders without knowing it, especially if its with friends...
I agree with most points in this video other than the less input lag on emulation, because that is just not the case emulation 99% of the time will have more lag than native hardware because an emulator is essentially a system running inside another system which results in more lag, compared to the game running natively on real hardware. Theirs many reasons as to why u think theirs more lag on switch than pc one reason being the monitor u are using. For example if ur using a 4k screen than the switch would likely have more input lag than ur pc cause it outputs at 1080p so the screen has to downscale the resolution which results in more lag than 4k on ur pc.
I heard Dolphin has less input lag than real hardware, idk if that's true and if it is then it could be the case you mention about TVs downscaling the resolution
Actually upscaling emulated games is different then just watching something in 4k. The internal resolution is independent from your screen resolution. If you ever have played an emulated game, let's say 3ds, and upscaled to whatever the highest resolution is, regardless of what screen resolution you have, it's going to look infinitely better.
I could go on and on about the benefits of emulation assuming you have decent hardware: -TONS of save files -You can take other people’s save files so you don’t have to unlock characters or if you want to go back to a certain part of the game -FPS is more consistent -Better resolution -Mods are easy to install after setting Yuzu/Ryujinx up -Online (Recent development) and it’s still being improved upon. I wouldn’t be surprised if it ended up being better than the Switch’s at some point. I could go on! It’s all only going to get better from here! 👍🏻👌🏻
IMPORTANT POINT: You can download SHADERS from other users to reduce the issue and if you have a more modern gpu you can use VULKAN which wont lag the game as much when its building new cache.
*Here's how to unlock the characters faster.* It may be different with the mods. Anyway, go to Games and More and there will be a glowing door at the bottom right of the screen where you can face previously fought characters. And if you need to complete matches to face new opponents, just do a one stock match. I think that inflates the counter.
the reason the resolution changes matter on youtube even without a 4k display, is because you are aftually viewing a higher bitrate. bitrate is often more important than reaolution for resolving the detail of an image, especially on smaller displays.
Yes! You can download someone else’s cache from the internet and preload it so it doesn’t lag like that. However, every time there’s an update things can change. The last thing I would like to add is when you have a large amount of shaders to preload, the game takes forever to launch. This will get better with time but some people have reported waiting 10 mins for Smash to open after launching it lol
I filmed professional wedding videos for years and would shoot in 5k and scale down to 1080p in post. Hollywood films are shot in 8k maybe more now, and scaled down to 4k. It definitely makes a difference.
So if you don't know: Smash Ultimate has some pretty heavy input delay (I don't know the number offhand, but I think it's around 6 frames of delay) Playing this on emulator would remove that and make the game feel more responsive.
I really like all the positives of having Ultimate of PC, especially in like, 10 years, but personally, the whole thing isn't how I would want to play. The individual 4K changes are cool, but most else isn't my cup of tea, but it is so cool for those who really want these changes.
btw the "you can see 4k even if you don't have a 4k display" fact is only true on RUclips because it has a lower bitrate to save bandwidth (I think) it won't work the same with games.
Never? Really? There are ps4 emulators rn. Still very shoddy but it's nothing to be surprised about. Switch was probably easy af since the wii u was already done.
The RUclips 4k example doesn't really work as RUclips keeps higher bitrate copies for the higher resolution versions of each video, but else, nice video
I wonder if there’s a mod that lets you disable stage hazards in training mode, the fact it was never implemented into the actual game will always bother me. It’s such an oversight!
The levels in this mod were what I was hoping Nintendo would do for the battlefield versions of stages. Like, we don't need 100 identical alternate battlefields. But slight variations that add some variety both in visuals and also in layout would be huge.
14:48 nope the amount of times i've seen emulator devs refuse to add certain things because "they're too outdated" or "no new pc supports them anymore" is enough to make me want to learn coding and make my own emulators
bruh it's open source.. if you don't like something or want to add something to the project you can or you can fork it yourself. Learn to code and you'll understand your issue is not an issue.
the craziest lag of shader caching stuff for me whas when the inkling in his map threw paint at my captain falcon, the game literally froze for about 30 seconds then came back like nothing even happened
I was gonna say for the first third of the video, I was like “Huh the camera looks reaaaallly good, different than vanilla Ult. Almost looks like HDR. Wonder if Yuzu is making it look like that” You bastard lmao
As soon as i saw thos video, i downloaded yuzu and started playing smash. Im pleasently surprised with the results. Runs amazing at over 4k, even with the 8 player smash test i get a locked 60. Thanks for this video!
Went through the comment section and was surprised to see nobody mentioned that Smash Ultimate on the Switch has an INHERENT 7 frames of input lag, including offline/local play. So, when playing online there is even more input lag added AFTER the inherent 7 frames that is always in the game. THAT is why you thought it felt better on PC, because it literally is. I've been wanting Smash Ultimate on PC for SO long now for that exact reason, 7 frames of inherent lag.
man i miss making these kinds of videos.
maybe i should make more! what game do you want to see on PC??
watch more PC remaster videos: ruclips.net/p/PLPBVb36G1PK2NUCoPCkgo2-cWFzvNRqMZ&si=ELPmzJkDCLju2KnD5oyZMQ
What is your CPU?
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pc remaster race
Metal gear sold 3
Splatoon 3 on PC would go hard
"Take a look and see if you can tell a difference between 1080p and 4K."
Me, watching in 480p on my phone during my lunch break: "Quite interesting..."
w pfp
Messi is so underrated 😩
I've learned in most cases your phone can run videos in higher res, it's just your carrier throttling it. It's why they have plans that claim to support higher res video when they all use the same cellular. Just turn on a VPN and you'll notice you get way less lag and videos will play in higher res. I do it all the time.
my relatability to this comment 1 year later amazes me
that donkey kong vs steve match looked so smooth. i also like the delay of when he turns red while he's hurt. i thought it looksed cool imo
donkey kong set mario’s render distance to 3 chunks
No way it’s that one youtuber with no name on their channel
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HDR dev here, nice to see you enjoying the mod! You're able to wavedash completely horizontally (no need to hold the stick diagonally), so if you feel like the wavedashes feel a little short, that may be why. Other than that, try checking in the tips section in the vault, don't be afraid to try the nightly updates (you'll get to try new content before they hit beta releases), and keep your eyes out for new content! We've got a ton of stuff in the pipeline for the next beta (including ASDI), so look forward to it!
Edit: To specify (in case it wasn't clear), I am one of the devs on the dev team. Different people work on different parts of the game. For example, I write the tips, and made most of the changes to Pichu.
Hey um I love you??
Oh.
You ruined temple kinda :(
#bringbackogtemple
YOU CAN WAVEDASH HORIZONTALLY?!??! Wow... That's so cool!
Do you know anything about the temple stage? think you could poke around to get it back? please and thank you kind sir!
Is it possible to toggle certain features on and off? (For example, enable wavedash and dashdance, but disable ledgehogging)
This Rivals of Aether Nintendo character pack looking insane!
Right? Its so sick
It's not rivals of aether it's super smash bros ultimate
@@privatetrolldier5640 we know its just sarcasm
@@privatetrolldier5640 REALLY??????? 😱😱😱😱😱😱
@@privatetrolldier5640 r/whoosh
Also, rollback netcode, as far as I know, is being worked on for Smash Ultimate in emulators.
Emulation is not perfect, but basically everything you highlighted are just some of the reasons why I am a huge advocate for emulation for all platforms.
Nintendo and most other companies have shown time and time again that they are not willing to do what it takes to preserve gaming history in a convenient and fair way for the consumers.
Therefor, we have to take matters into out own hands.
Major shoutout to the legends who work on these emulators.
what a time to be alive!!
Bruh but this is quite literally piracy right now, for previous titles rhat havent been ported sure yeah do it but this is a relevant game on a relevant platform today, its just piracy right now
@@CharmedReally7 Bruh I got the OLED Switch a couple of months back and still buy their games. But when I can play them on my PC with better performance and higher resolution if I please, along with my pro controller or XBOX controller, then why wouldn't I? Nintendo has taken away many services and games over the years and if it wasn't for the emulation scene, we would not be able to play those games ever again.
If you hack your switch and dump your games, then it's not piracy, but of course if you just download them and don't buy their games, then yes of course it's piracy. The focus of my comment was to highlight that emulation is important for the preservation of games, and when your console either fails or Nintendo does not support it any longer and you can't buy it outside of the second hand market for several hundreds if not thousands of dollars down the line, you are going to be thankful that someone made it possible for you to still be able to play your games and that they started early to make it happen.
@@MINI_91 well everything you said you did i have no problem with, its just that literally the majority of people use emulators of modern platforms to pirate games, it's a fact
@@CharmedReally7 Nintendo can honestly go fuck themselves I am not taking away from anyone if I prirate from a multi million dollar corperation
7:23 I... Actually noticed it BEFORE: Steve flashed red every time you hit him, but that's not in the game! So I'm guessing that's a mod too!
You can actually tell from the very first clip. at no point does Wuhu Island have that stage shape with that platform layout
That's part of hdr. Good eye
I knew the moment he moved something looked of. When Dk did his back air I knew it was modded.
@@WiltarrowMain I usually play on very few stages so I can't really remember anything like that
@@Horror1155 now that you mention it it does look off too
The unintentional way PC emulation encourages you to play all the characters is kinda neat.
What exactly do you mean? Is it the character unlock process?
@@ShiddyKong he's talking about the lag thing with a never used character. Just play the game normally. I don't see how this is at all encouraging "to play all the characters". big cringe moment. Playing it normally will eventually give you the same results. what exactly are you preparing for by removing lag with every character? Playing 8 player randoms would be a better idea than "head empty"
@@bitdoge5944 I’m curious why this comment pissed you off so much, or maybe I’m just misreading your tone. I get calling it cringe to hate on something for no reason but Krow is just finding a way to appreciate something
@@ShiddyKong krow the kind of dude to say that and not even pull through with 35% completion LOL I get a raise out of people
@@bitdoge5944 what was the first game you beat? I think it was Mario galaxy 2 for me and the last one was God of War 2018
just a quick note: while dash dancing is different in the mod, you could dash dance in ultimate and it isnt smash 4's weird long dash dance which is more similar to what was done in the video.
dash dancing in ultimate is even faster than in the mod if I remember correctly
@@spaghetnoodle7706 in ultimate, "dash dancing" is just jerking the running startup animation back and forth
melee dash-dancing is being able to dash in the other direction immediately with no startup by tapping and is therefore much more functional in a battle scenario
What are your computer specs?
3090 & i7-8700k
idk if anyone mentioned this yet but iirc the shader cache for characters are different when in a match with 4 or less players and in a match with 5+ characters
so basically if you're doing 8 player smash with a character you haven't used in 8 player smash the emulator still needs to load the shader cache
I did not know this. Makes so much sense now! Thank you for sharing :)
Why is that, does the game switch to lower quality animations in 5+ smash?
@@ElXando1993 tbh idk the details i just read somewhere that they're different when looking for a way to reduce lag in my first time playing using emulator
@@ElXando1993 It's just optimization to allow the Switch to survive the worst case computational hellscape of 8 players + items.
@@LinklightToodo mii’s work here?
"I feel useless without the c-stick"
me who played sm4sh on 3ds for my whole life: I have no such weakness
Yes, I 100% understand
It will def feel better, switch has added latency for some reason and pc doesnt have this issue so less input delay
Unfortunately tournamenent are not played on emulator.
Two tip:
1. You can use a save editor to unlock all the characters.
2. Make sure you have hazards on when using hdr stages other wise some like fourside break.
Hey! How can I download Smash Ultimate on PC with this mode using this emulator?
@grogu_2003 Google it or Reddit, and you'll probably wanna use a VPN
@@grogu_2003 you have to get the nsp file from websites that i cannot name but you can easily search it up
I dig the coverage of Smash Ultimate here. I don't have the funds to afford to keep getting better hardware, so it's nice to get a look at how a future-proofed Smash Ultimate would look for those who have the power to run it.
Yes!! Something I've been waiting for! It's finally here! Good vid, Linklight! I also loved that HDR mod as well.
Hey HDR dev here I’m glad you enjoyed our mod I was stoked to see you come back to both show the world the greatness of Ryujinx and HDR! There are tons of things still subject to change and that includes the stages and their general functionality, many of which have big plans (so expect those big stages to make a return at some point). Our next update is also gonna be one of the biggest yet so if you’re looking to make more HDR content the next beta release will have you covered 👍
And side note: as for me in particular I work on visuals and am planning on doing character changes (with big reworks for Steve and Mega Man to come). As for some good examples I’ve made the new Battlefield, FD, Small Battlefield as well as PS3 (appropriately Galar themed). I also am one of the creators of our skin pack which will be receiving a big update in the coming months too and will promptly be integrated into our launcher as an optional install. And for that launcher in question it may or may not be receiving some emulator support in the future 🫡
it not launcher cuz I have a unmodded switch want to know why because Nintendo is mean company and they do and they patched my switch
bring back temple
Here are some points i would like to add
-since yuzu and ryujinx load shader caches you need to load them as you said,however,to have an initially better performance,both emulators have an option to make the emulator load shader cache without “remembering” the shaders so the game will overall run smoother the first time but it won’t be better next time
-another thing emulator helps for is the accessibility of it,for example,while there was a mod that allowed to use different controllers on the switch (which i’m pretty sure doesn’t work now) by itself you are limited to first party controllers and weird third party controllers,however on emulators you can use pretty much anything
-while other emulators have constantly been getting better and better over the years since yuzu (which was not the emulator used in this video) is a bit inconsistent,it’s not unusual that there are minor or big glitches during the game,ryujinx is much more consistent however it has slightly worse performance
-you can get shader caches from other people to have an initially better performance,however it can be hard to find shader caches for new games
That’s about it,i agreed with most of what you said in this video
perhaps people would prefer modding the emulated game rather than modding their switch.
of course
Personally, it’s my only option. My original switch does not have a functioning SD slot, and my new one cannot be modded.
@@Snozzer How did you get smash ultimate on PC. I would love to setup mods but i have a newer model of switch and also don't want to risk getting banned. any help would be greatly appreciated!
How much better would things be if Nintendo instead of holding out, went in the direction of Sega and we had Mobile and PC Nintendo games.
Imagine Steam Workshop for Smash.
@@Hunter-dl5jb
Emulation
Everyone : brings their switch to a smash bros tournament
This guy : brings his PC to the smash bros tournament
here before nintendo sells his organs
oh no…
😟
Meanwhile, on my PC: *Blue screening for me even thinking about it*
LMAOOO
The main reason
Linklight: future-proofing
Me: bc no switch 😔
5:00 probably because your computer connects to your controller faster, or if you mean FPS wise, its your GPU. its all just hardware related. The switch is portable, which means it has to cut down on some things, that includes bluetooth connections.
btw you can dash dance in vanilla ultimate, like, extremley fast with every character. you have to be very good at mashing the control stick fast and i reccomend using the palm of your right hand to do it but its pretty easy.
not as useful as being able to dash dance during any point within initial dash tho
@@theluigifan42 you are able to.
Like, if you mash the stick fast enough, you can cancel the initial dash
@@theluigifan42 oh okay I get what your saying now.
There’s ways around no c-stick support. Kinda weird ik but if you really want it you can use something like xpadder to map “forward” and “A” to a single directional input.
Speaking of 4K, I got a PS5 last month. Some games run in 4K despite my 1080p TV, and it seriously looks better than regular 1080. It makes a pretty big difference even if you can't output it.
its not in actual 4k on your 1080p tv.Unless you actuall y have a tv that supports 4k
@@69metersbelow25 ok. Still looks better tho.
Supersampling babbbbbyyyyyyyy
Rendering at higher resolutions and then outputting it in lower res can actually help a lot with image quality and clarity so its not just a placebo
i cant say this for certain but the ps5 may be able to tell if its on a 1080p TV and instead of trying to run it in 4k native which it would use on a 4k display it most likely uses a 4k upsampling technique to make the image look better.Speaking of a 4k TV, TCL makes good 4k tv's with HDR and stuff for like 300 bucks.I use one, its not as good as my Samsung I used to have before I tipped the TV and shattered its screen but for 300 bucks it looks at least 80% quality of what my Samsung TV had and that was like a 1100 dollar TV
i have this on Yuzu and it sucks. Always has stutters or frame pacing issues even after full shader compilation no matter what settings or render settings you use. Is Ryujinx better at smash? It just runs "ok" on Yuzu
If _you're_ getting lag spikes after loading shader cache still because your CPU is outdated, then *I* definitely will have problems trying to run _any_ switch game on the laptop. I just wish there was like an option to load all the cache before you open the game (Like what Dolphin emulator has) that would help my laptop considerably.
you are wrong tho, because he is building the cache that is why it freezes a bit, and yes you can skip the freeze and building your own cache by downloading someone else's but this is not the case.
Huh??? Didn't he say in the video that his game may lag a bit since his CPU is a bit outdated tho???
Yeah, I just checked the video again. Around 18:35 he says that.
The reason you can't notice 1080p on RUclips is because RUclips compresses 1080p. You might also be noticing that you're not actually watching in 1080p at all but you've been watching in 480p the entire time. TRICKED. RUclips changed it automatically. Every 5 minutes. I downloaded a plugin just for that.
Nope, you must have it an automatic or have slow wifi
Thats actually sick tbh
I don't even care about the comparissons between switch and PC, but the fact that this guy is so good at DK is just mind blowing
Melee players are just built different. We did wild shit
@@cardboardtubeknight💀
9:05 you can indeed do this in the base game, even faster than you showed for HDR, but I'm pretty sure it's useless (in base) aside from mixup
You can do it much faster in hdr than he showed off, and much faster than base game even with perfect l-stick tilts.
And it is useful in this game, that'd be like saying dash dancing in melee is useless.
If you experience constant lag on your TV, you can try setting it to game mode, or changing the response time in the settings, some TVs change the response time when you set them to game mode.
Also you can download 100% saves on emulators to unlock all characters on Smash Bros for example.
If I had a very buff PC, I would use it for modding and I wouldn't be surprised if Smash Ultimate gets the Slippy treatment in the far future because how far modding has come in a somewhat short period of time compared to Brawl and Melee.
One thing to keep in mind with 4k on RUclips on the point made at 2:40
Bitrate is also an immense determining factor on the "quality" of an image (which is also incredibly murky when you get in the weeds)
RUclips 4K has a much higher bitrate, meaning that even not factoring your point on pixel compression it will automatically look better on busier forms of video.
I think everything looks cool here, but my only problem is how slow knockback goes. The biggest problem I’ve seen with older smash games is that you never truly feel an impact from the super strong hits because they send the opponent so slowly. I feel ultimate on the switch is at just enough knockback speed that it doesn’t remove some responsiveness when playing but it’s also fast enough that when you get sent to the blastzone, you’re there in a second and then either out of hitstun or in the blastzone.
This video was really cool! I love that you left so much to test out as part of the video and it got to feel like we experienced it alongside you! (Even tho this was already recorded obviously)
Nintendo would like to know your location.
I would support Nintendo on this one. The numbnail makes the Switch out to be much worse than it actually is!
i feel like a huge issue you glossed over is the inability to use the c-stick. will that be fixed at a later date?
I know I'm a bit late to the party, but if you're using a Mayflash adapter, switch it to Wii U mode and look up Delfinovin. It's a program that allows a Wii U gc adapter to spoof as an Xbox 360 controller. It also works as an input viewer and you can tweak trigger and stick sensitivity. Hope this helps homie
"Unless you have a really keen eye you wouldn't notice that this Smash has been modded"
Dude that Falcon Punch came out YEARS earlier than vanilla would there's no way people wouldn't notice
Also Steve turning red but come on
a few qeustions about the emulator
1st will it work on a laptop? because thats what i have. also is this leagal? i am in middleschool i am WAY to young to get in legal trouble. also could i download and use mods from game banana? i also realy wanna do this but need to know about theese. edit: forgot to ask this but what about dlc?
Ok what emulator are you using and where did you download the rom
(Base game, and how do I add custom skins)
Yuzu, and you can't download roms, thats piracy
A point about 4K and higher resolutions. We are approaching a point where technical specifications exceed the point in which humans can reliably perceive them. You have to be sitting very close to a fairly large TV to begin to get an actual benefit out of 4k. Most people will not be able to reliably tell the difference between a decently sized TV at 1440p and 4k. The pixels are just too small. It is one of those things people try to tell you is worth it while their face is 6 centimeters from the screen.
As for framerates there isn't any studies to suggest humans can really perceive much FPS. There has been quite a few studies on the topic but the core of the problem is that your brain can't comprehend the speed at which the images are changing (and doesn't try). We can very clearly see hz or a frame-rate up to 80. A light flickering at 80hz will flicker to us but more than that it will look solid. There is however evidence to suggest while we can't perceive the difference something in our brain is picking up on it. Humans can accurately guess frame-rates up to 150 and data from CS:GO seems to suggest that the higher the frame-rate the better your results (with dwindling returns but this could just be an artifact how the game runs). While this may seem similar to the 'lol can't see over 30 FPS anyway' there is some truth to the matter that we do have a cap on how many images can be flashed in front of our face before we stop seeing them change. And in fact some technologies over the years have taken advantage of this fact.
All of this is to say that don't feel pressured over future technical specifications. It is a waste of your money.
u r right bro
Smash Ultimate has 6 frames of input lag on the Switch. The lack of lag on the emulator can actually hurt you if you play competitively.
How much input lag can one expect on the pc with an emulator?
@@manueldiedrich6139 depending on your PC, it can be 0
stay in a game walking around for 20 min, beat the cpu, challenge a new character (win to unlock), home screen on character select screen, exit game.
start game, play a cpu, beat cpu, challenge a new character instantly (win to unlock), home screen on character select screen, exit game.
repeat until roster is unlocked.
learned this from a video ZeRo uploaded around the release of ultimate. i used it when i first emulated ultimate actually lol (which was actually before buying, and then i did the same when i did buy it), and because i did it at the start, i was downloading all the shaders for every scenario as i was playing and unlocking each char.
a great way to gain shaders is to do what you did towards the end as well a couple of times but with a bit more to it.
max out on cpus with cpus only and no player, play a big stage with hazards on, have all items on, and have the game last for a while until it runs smoothly.
then do another with completely different cpus and a different stage.
after 2 or 3 times it should run smoothly.
also just run through a few common stages with various characters for a bit, then after time youll just gain necessary shaders without knowing it, especially if its with friends...
Nintendo: Wait Thats Illegal.
*Talks about all the great things it can do* then
“Let’s discuss the negatives. There’s occasional lag…”
*and immediately back to more positives*
I agree with most points in this video other than the less input lag on emulation, because that is just not the case emulation 99% of the time will have more lag than native hardware because an emulator is essentially a system running inside another system which results in more lag, compared to the game running natively on real hardware. Theirs many reasons as to why u think theirs more lag on switch than pc one reason being the monitor u are using. For example if ur using a 4k screen than the switch would likely have more input lag than ur pc cause it outputs at 1080p so the screen has to downscale the resolution which results in more lag than 4k on ur pc.
I heard Dolphin has less input lag than real hardware, idk if that's true and if it is then it could be the case you mention about TVs downscaling the resolution
HDR Mod Maker here, nice showcase of the mod 🐐
wow I really enjoyed watching the video good shit
competitive 3-player smash is actually a lot of fun
Actually upscaling emulated games is different then just watching something in 4k. The internal resolution is independent from your screen resolution. If you ever have played an emulated game, let's say 3ds, and upscaled to whatever the highest resolution is, regardless of what screen resolution you have, it's going to look infinitely better.
I could go on and on about the benefits of emulation assuming you have decent hardware:
-TONS of save files
-You can take other people’s save files so you don’t have to unlock characters or if you want to go back to a certain part of the game
-FPS is more consistent
-Better resolution
-Mods are easy to install after setting Yuzu/Ryujinx up
-Online (Recent development) and it’s still being improved upon. I wouldn’t be surprised if it ended up being better than the Switch’s at some point.
I could go on! It’s all only going to get better from here! 👍🏻👌🏻
Online is gonna be better than the switch by the end of the year, NSO is crap
"i can't take this on the go"
me, a laptop user:
well, if you're looking for more smash ultimate mods to play, me and some friends made a sequel to tr4sh :)
holy shit you're the guy!
@@frog8175 i sure am the person :)
IMPORTANT POINT: You can download SHADERS from other users to reduce the issue and if you have a more modern gpu you can use VULKAN which wont lag the game as much when its building new cache.
Nice. What site do you download the shaders from?
@@notafed2868You did it?
*Here's how to unlock the characters faster.* It may be different with the mods. Anyway, go to Games and More and there will be a glowing door at the bottom right of the screen where you can face previously fought characters. And if you need to complete matches to face new opponents, just do a one stock match. I think that inflates the counter.
the reason the resolution changes matter on youtube even without a 4k display, is because you are aftually viewing a higher bitrate. bitrate is often more important than reaolution for resolving the detail of an image, especially on smaller displays.
Got Ultimate on PC and invited a friend over to play. It was a very fun time
how thought thats the question
@@robodonny280 emulation
Been playing it on steam with a friend, works like a charm
Would it be feasible to pre-load all assets on first startup?
Yes! You can download someone else’s cache from the internet and preload it so it doesn’t lag like that. However, every time there’s an update things can change. The last thing I would like to add is when you have a large amount of shaders to preload, the game takes forever to launch. This will get better with time but some people have reported waiting 10 mins for Smash to open after launching it lol
"I didn't want you to know the game was modded until the big reveal"
*Proceeds to dash dance at the beginning of the video*
I been playing smash on PC with my brother for 2 years, runs too smooth
how
I filmed professional wedding videos for years and would shoot in 5k and scale down to 1080p in post. Hollywood films are shot in 8k maybe more now, and scaled down to 4k. It definitely makes a difference.
So if you don't know: Smash Ultimate has some pretty heavy input delay (I don't know the number offhand, but I think it's around 6 frames of delay)
Playing this on emulator would remove that and make the game feel more responsive.
I was wondering if someone could take the input buffer off 😬
How i remove the input lag? On yuzu i have input lag
7:30 "this is not something you can't do in smash ultimate"
Kazuya Mishima: *laughs in D O R I Y A*
Kinda crazy that the 8 player smash just looks like a normal ultimate online match
That Wii U portable concept pic actually looked really cool 😥
I really like all the positives of having Ultimate of PC, especially in like, 10 years, but personally, the whole thing isn't how I would want to play. The individual 4K changes are cool, but most else isn't my cup of tea, but it is so cool for those who really want these changes.
btw the "you can see 4k even if you don't have a 4k display" fact is only true on RUclips because it has a lower bitrate to save bandwidth (I think) it won't work the same with games.
Ryujinx is honestly a lot better than yuzu in terms of performance and graphics, seem the only problem is the long ass startup
ryujinx has been better for a real long time, i boggles my mind how its barely known and all you hear about is yuzu
@@metroidcypher Honestly I should've known about it sooner since it's a lot better besides the long startup
Long startups? mine just skips the loading screen and my laptop is just a midranger
I'm pretty sure you can still play online in smash 4, I think the discontinuing stuff was mainly about the wii and other online services on it
my dude, smash switch does NOT look like that in the thumbnail.
Do you possibly know why hdr keeps crashing after I select a stage when emulating it?
Edit: I found out that I just needed to update my nsp for it
Its all fun and games until nintendo raids your house 💀
1:50 "Mind-boggling effects" 🤣😂
i never thought we would be able to emulate the switch, i am actually flabberghasted
IKR. Isn’t technology amazing
Never? Really? There are ps4 emulators rn. Still very shoddy but it's nothing to be surprised about. Switch was probably easy af since the wii u was already done.
@@tumultuousv imagine when ps4 emulation gets good though. bloodborne will finally come to pc one way or another
The RUclips 4k example doesn't really work as RUclips keeps higher bitrate copies for the higher resolution versions of each video, but else, nice video
This looks like it runs way better than Yuzu. At least on my pc lmao
X2
I wonder if there’s a mod that lets you disable stage hazards in training mode, the fact it was never implemented into the actual game will always bother me. It’s such an oversight!
You never know. You could always commission one too. My friend @GhostsSoup on Twitter does switch game mod commissions
@@LinklightToo Hmm I will check them out. Much obliged.
watch out for nintendo ninjas raiding your home
The levels in this mod were what I was hoping Nintendo would do for the battlefield versions of stages. Like, we don't need 100 identical alternate battlefields. But slight variations that add some variety both in visuals and also in layout would be huge.
Looks freaking beautiful.
I'm crazy about emulation.
It's so fantastic how they managed to make other gamesystems work on your pc
14:48 nope
the amount of times i've seen emulator devs refuse to add certain things because "they're too outdated" or "no new pc supports them anymore" is enough to make me want to learn coding and make my own emulators
bruh it's open source.. if you don't like something or want to add something to the project you can or you can fork it yourself. Learn to code and you'll understand your issue is not an issue.
where did you get the super smash bros. ultimate rom??
Who's here after the sad shutdown of yuzu and citra?!
“Please don’t call me old” after making an old joke
Me: “old”
I'm very shocked to see how ryujinx and yuzu developed throughout 2 years heck most of the games are glitchy even the shadows are weird
Yeah I've been watching it develop since games weren't really playable, it's crazy how switch games are now playable on launch day using Yuzu.
7:23 Nah mate you T Baged my man Fox 😂
trying way too hard to avoid discussing piracy
Not hard enough, have you heard what nintendo does to pirates?
Well actually, if you download it digitally or have it physically you can just put the game into your pc lol.
@@slip4510sue them?
@@NuiiCashy something like that idk
@@slip4510 lol
the craziest lag of shader caching stuff for me whas when the inkling in his map threw paint at my captain falcon, the game literally froze for about 30 seconds then came back like nothing even happened
😂 Nintendo's all pissed about emulators because they do a better job of running their software than their ancient piece of e-waste does.
I’m mindblown how Nintendo hasn’t taken this down yet. Cool video
How to download pls
Sadly I can't claim the pc but hopefully maybe next time I can win again and claim it
I was gonna say for the first third of the video, I was like “Huh the camera looks reaaaallly good, different than vanilla Ult. Almost looks like HDR. Wonder if Yuzu is making it look like that”
You bastard lmao
As soon as i saw thos video, i downloaded yuzu and started playing smash. Im pleasently surprised with the results. Runs amazing at over 4k, even with the 8 player smash test i get a locked 60. Thanks for this video!
Where did you download smash?
"some of you may be watching this on a 4k display"
me: kisses my own bicep
Went through the comment section and was surprised to see nobody mentioned that Smash Ultimate on the Switch has an INHERENT 7 frames of input lag, including offline/local play. So, when playing online there is even more input lag added AFTER the inherent 7 frames that is always in the game. THAT is why you thought it felt better on PC, because it literally is. I've been wanting Smash Ultimate on PC for SO long now for that exact reason, 7 frames of inherent lag.