"Your waking state mind tells you that deep sleep is the absence of awareness. How do you know that it's not the awareness of absence." This is the most striking, deeply true, revelation that I have ever heard - thank you from the bottom of my heart for helping me to see this
Rupert converts the conventional view to a non-dual approach to reality! He articulates it so brilliantly. Thank you Rupert! I still wish I was you sometimes. It seems so safe.
yes many differentiate between consiousness and awareness for that reason. You can be aware of being unconsious. Or slipping out of consiousness or comming back into it. There are many levels of unconsiousness. Deep sleep isnt really disconnected from this world like dissociation or fainting bc touch or sound can easily have the consiousness return and you roughly know how much time has passed. You can see how dissociation is the I not wanting to be consious so what happens in experience also fades as the creation of I and the world always go hand in hand. Fainting was the deepest absence of I/consiousness I ever was aware of. Literally the only thing I could say about it afterwards, was I wasnt there as an observing presence.
I became aware during deep sleep once. I was like a blissful wave in an ocean of living light, and knew that the person I usually call 'me', was in fact a dream, and that this world is just a mental construct.
Wow that is a beautiful story of recognition!! ❤ and it is a great talentedness to put it in such delicious words. ❤😊❤ Absolutely can resonate with your comment. 😊 I've had the similar recognition to yours, while I was in the so called "awaken state" That "being like a blissful wave in an ocean of living light" is the only one true experience and existence for us, even during the so called awaken state or the so called dream state. Goes to show that if one can have this recognition whenever and in whichever "state" than it can be only one true self/awareness/being/consciousness. 😊🎉❤ NDE is an other way of helping some individual to recognise his or her true nature/self.❤❤❤
Mr. Rupert's articulation of "thoughts, feelings, perceptions, sensations" as just objects of awareness, rather than components of the "I" just always strikes me as so correct and right on and accurately descriptive of actual experience. I find it amazing he seems to have hit upon such a clear and contemporary way of talking about these topics.
This treatise of Waking, Dreaming and Deep sleep state and the Turiya, which Rupert mentions, is from Mandukyopanishad. The Upanishads, which form the basis for Vedanta, are the most profoundly glorious scriptures on Existentialism. We must marvel at the philosophical discourses in Hinduism.
Because "deep sleep" doesn't really "happen." Time is an illusion. "Deep sleep" is part of the dream of this world. You only dream that you "deep sleep." You wake up later and "time has gone by." That is part of the dream; part of the simulation, so to speak. No time actually went by. You didn't actually sleep. You just pretended to have an experience where you were a "human" in "deep sleep," and then believed that you did, just because you woke up and "things around you were different." In other words, your very own dream updated itself to reflect the belief that you "slept," when you never did. You are eternally awake/aware. That is why you never experience gaps in awareness; because there aren't any. Experience (dream) seems to change; awareness does not. Regardless of the content of awareness, it is always present.
When you are aware in "deep sleep " you've got it, when you are aware of all states coming going changing but you as awareness remains, you have unveiled your true self. You can't talk about deep sleep because you can't create a memory from the experience, you just experience it, its not even an experience, you are that. no one can take you there, they can only point you to pure awareness, and you experience "deep sleep" as awareness. Work on awareness in the wake state and dream state, and it will roll over into the deep sleep state, which is not a state but your true self. You will then live as awareness always, not experiencing any state if that makes sense.
in my experience fainting was a much deeper state of absorption then deep sleep. In deep sleep there is some observing presence there, noticing sounds, touch, knowing how much time roughly passes, knowing how long and how deep you have slept, in fainting there is no observing, just an absence of 'I', no connection to senses, time ect. edit: when I read about samadhi this is the same, just total absorption
1:00 => I had the image of a telescope-antenna from the 80´s. Deep sleep is the biggest tube at the base and then it pulls out the 2nd tube (dream state) out of itself, and then another one (waking state). All the time the BASE is simply there at the BASE :) And the 2nd and 3rd tube can easily be retracted into the BASE.
This is perhaps the third of Rupert's videos I've watched about deep sleep, thanks so much for posting, the synchronicity is awesome as I had just yesterday posted a comment elsewhere prompted by a previous video of Rupert's on this topic I had seen, and wow, an hour later here was a new video by Rupert on the exact same thing. Rupert Spira talks about our 3 levels or states of consciousness: the waking state which is mental or analytical, the dream state, and the deep sleep state which is not really a state but pure consciousness. Deep sleep, pure consciousness, which is the bulk of our sleep (dreams seem like a long time but they are actually only 5 minutes or less, I've read), is like dying every night because we are purely spirit as though we don't even have a body. Rupert talks about this in a few of his many videos. IMO it's a topic well worth learning about. I find it so unfortunate that we can't remember our deep sleep experiences in our waking state. What we call our waking state is truly the opposite; we are asleep at the wheel, run by our minds, immersed in the 3D simulation. Our dream state is pretty much the same, except our analytical mind is asleep so our minds are just fed mental stuff by the matrix. The waking and dream states are mental. What's called deep sleep is called what it is because our minds are asleep, or at least not active. IMO deep sleep is incredibly fascinating. I mean, WOW!! To know that every night we actually return to being pure consciousness while still in this incarnation and still having a mind; that even while existing in the 3D, we spend a third of our lives as though we are not incarnated at all. We truly are pure consciousness, we just spend two-thirds of our incarnation having forgotten that. Kurt says, remember who you are. We spend one-third of our lives remembering, in deep sleep. And we spend two-thirds of our lives forgetting who we are. So of course the solution is to bring the awareness of our true consciousness into our waking state. The way to do that is by meditation, which removes distractions, and allows our minds to quiet down more and more into stillness. And in that stillness we experience simply being, our pure consciousness, which is peace, joy, love. And from there we can transform our 3D lives. This is why we meditate. I want to soak up everything Rupert says about deep sleep, what could be more important and compelling as we strive to find our way through and out of the simulation labyrinth to our true selves? Love Rupert ❤️
Having done shrooms a few times, there was one unexpected experience where I "fell asleep," and I was fully aware of my absence in what I recall as a void. Freaked me out! And then another time, I felt myself as tired, and yet the concept of actually sleeping seemed like an impossibility, like a distant memory of this activity I used to do, and as the trip continued I felt so unbelievably awake that I believed I would never have to sleep again! And I'm talking about a calm wakefulness. Not a feeling like I just had several cups of coffee. I wasn't wired. Just awake. The only people who experience what we believe to be sleeping are the people awake that may witness someone sleeping. The same goes for death. We see a body die, but that person is waking up into a new dimension.
If in deep sleep there were a total absence of consciousness, then upon "waking" one would not have the ability to "re-collect" themselves as an individual (jiva) with an individual history etc. The fact that we DO "re-collect" ourselves (our jiva) upon waking up from deep sleep indicates at least a certain "subtle" level of consciousness is still present even in deep sleep. It is not that there is no consciousness in deep sleep, its that there is no awareness in the way we usually understand that term. Awareness for us is "awareness OF.." because we usually operate within the dualistic context (of mind) of a "subject being aware of an object." This is only a dualistic kind of "awareness" or "awareness of." "Consciousness" (turiya) however is the basic space where awareness can arise. And so awareness in a sense is merely the "bright potential to know" (the light) which arises out of the limitless clear "space" of consciousness which is ever present. Consciousness is not an object of awareness, it is its underlying basis. ❤🙏
One time I was so depressed I just couldn't bear the weight of existence. I actually felt the physical sensation of depression. Like a weight on me all the time making everything seem hard to do and it got so intense that it was like I broke through some kind of barrier that I didn't know existed and I saw the light of God unobstructed and I realized that I was like a beam of light coming out from God and when I saw God I saw my relative conditioned life in God and everything that existed was not just part of God but rather God was fully and wholly present within everything equally. Then I descended back into normal consciousness again except the depression was gone and it has never returned. Since that time I have gradually regained most of that realization again but less intense. Now I just see it as that is what reality actually is and our individual lives are woven into the tapestry of the universe in such a way that we are a permanent part of it. It is a living tapestry that we call existence.
But in deep sleep there is no awareness. We are not conscious that we are in an objectless reality. We are not aware that we are aware there is nothing. If deep sleep is a state of pure awareness, why do we remember nothing - not even nothing?
I think it’s because there is nothing for awareness to illuminate. The mind remembers objects, but in deep sleep there are no objects to remember. Remembering is a function of the mind, not awareness, so you can’t remember anything. I don’t know if I’m correct about this but it makes sense to me.
Even ( I Am) that is the present tense feeling of existence is also perceivable or observable. It is also perceived like an object or knowledge by the self. Hence there is no knowing even of the self ( i.e. there is no sense of " I Am ness ") in the deep sleep.
That's totally true. This is the point where you begin to differentiate mind from awareness. Isn't it just unbelievable how a plant can grow without a mind, a brain? That's how your body grows too and does its thing... While our certain mental faculties are shut down, our brains is lit up like a Christmas tree, yet we're not aware of it at all, yet there must be some consciousness, some awareness conducting the symphony of interactions within the body, inside a cell... Can you imagine how actually little awareness we have access to?? Who are we???
If you were truly not conscious or aware in deep sleep, nothing could possibly startle you awake. You're assuming that awareness is only present during the experience of something. Instead, think of awareness as the potential to experience something.
You are reality in its purest form, does reality go away when you sleep? of course not, that would be silly. I think this is the easiest way to understand it.
Also a wonderful approach 🙏🏼 thank you ...and maybe (of course only if we feel absolutely fine with and not bothered by it 😉) let's reduce drastically the importance of our 'I' and the comfort in our concepts and explanations a little bit and we might get even closer 😊
Rupert Spira 🙏 Normally, our conscious mind didn't remember the states arise during deep sleep; But our subconscious mind remembers those states arose during then & stores it in the Alaya consciousness, according to the Buddhist Teachings. 😊🙏🙇♂️🌷
Yaeh, spontan experience with Intuition made Ruperts aware of being Eternal, but there still much to learn about the Eternal Life, and that Deep-Sleep is our Night-Bodies/Consciousness, is still unknown to most people, this he needs to study more extensive. Our Day-Consciousness, is what he call 'awareness'. Our physical body become one of the Night-Bodies, while sleeping.
Deep sleep is when mind and organs of sesnses are „switched off”. Not sure how activity or inactivity of sesnes makes us closer to our nature or further from that. That, that permiates it all.
@@mrbeyong phenomenal world is as much part of our nature, because it comes out of it, it is made by it. Trying to remove it to come closer to our nature is just neti neti approach. Deep sleep is just one of transitional states of the bodily consciousness. In some traditions it is called for a reason poor’s man nirvana. It is misleqding to say that this is place cliser to our nature.
@@MrKubalaa Our nature has no parts. No one is trying to remove the phenomenal projection or negate it with neti neti. It simply appears in waking and dream and does not appear in what the uninitiated call the "state" of deep sleep. It is called closer because even the limiting aggregates [uphadis] persist. [The mind in a dormant state, The functions of prana, The anandamaya kosha, the vital force, the 5 elements etc.]
The question of why you can't remember being conscious in deep sleep, despite the fact that consciousness is present, points to the intricate relationship between awareness and memory. To explore this, consider the nature of consciousness and its interplay with the brain's processes during different states of sleep. In deep sleep, you are indeed in a state of pure consciousness, but it's a state where the mind and its usual mechanisms of forming and retaining memories are significantly less active. Deep sleep, or slow-wave sleep, is characterized by minimal brain activity in the areas involved in conscious thought and memory formation. This state allows for deep rest and restorative processes but does not engage the cognitive functions necessary to create lasting memories. When you are in deep sleep, your awareness is not lost; rather, it is in a different mode of operation. The consciousness that is present during deep sleep is akin to a backdrop that holds the space for experiences but does not actively record or interpret them in the way that waking consciousness does. This means that while you are aware, the nature of your awareness in deep sleep is not conducive to forming memories that you can later access. The reason you cannot remember deep sleep experiences is not that awareness is absent but that the brain's ability to consolidate and store memories is greatly diminished. Memories are typically formed through active cognitive processes, which are largely inactive during deep sleep. This explains why, despite the presence of awareness, the experiences during this phase do not translate into recallable memories. Understanding this helps to differentiate between various states of consciousness. Waking consciousness is highly engaged with memory formation and retrieval, while deep sleep consciousness serves a different, restorative function without engaging in the same memory processes. Recognizing this distinction can deepen your appreciation of how different states of consciousness contribute to your overall experience and well-being. In essence, the inability to remember deep sleep experiences is not a reflection of a lack of awareness but rather an aspect of how the brain operates in different states. Each state of consciousness has its own role and purpose, and while deep sleep provides essential rest and rejuvenation, it does not involve the cognitive functions required for memory retention. This understanding highlights the richness of consciousness and the varied ways it manifests across different states.
I enjoyed the thought-provoking interchange between Rupert and his student in this video. However, for an adherent of classical Advaita Vedanta like me, Rupert’s formulation of our deep sleep experience lacks the logical soundness of the Advaita narrative I prefer. As I understand it, Rupert’s thesis is that the experience of deep sleep is the essential nature of Awareness. Consequently, all other experiences, e.g., waking, dreaming, etc., are merely illusory perturbations of this unchanging deep sleep experience. Despite its simplicity and elegance, the drawback of this formulation is that it does not allow for the possibility of Awareness to be free of the deep sleep experience altogether, i.e., for Awareness to be neither the experiencer nor the experience of deep sleep. Consequently, Awareness is not limitless in this formulation. In other words, limitlessness is not the essential nature of Awareness in Rupert’s formulation. Therefore, I submit that Rupert’s thesis is logically flawed. Also, my understanding of the classical Advaita Vedanta narrative on deep sleep is very different from what is presented by Rupert in this video. For instance, I am not aware of any authentic writings of Sri Shankara on Vedanta wherein he presents the notion of “Turiya athitha” which Rupert attributes to classical Advaita Vedanta. Furthermore, the writings of Sri Shankara on the Mandukya Karika make it very clear that Turiya is not a “fourth state” as Rupert mistakenly assumes that to be.
In Spira's formulation Consciousness does not experience any sleep as you mistakenly interpret. Sleep does not point to any state. Sleep is just a pointer to the Pure consciousness of Being. In formulations like Nisargadatta Maharaj's Consciousness is neither the experiencer nor the experience of sleep for the simple reason that he proposes unconsciousness in that supposed "state." What many overlook is that this is what materialism and nihilism also propose.
@@mrbeyong Thank you for your observations. However, you seem to have misunderstood my original posting on this thread. I did not assert that deep sleep was a state in Rupert’s formulation as you seem to have mistakenly concluded. Since your observations are based on an incorrect premise, they are invalid.
@@rsr9200Here I quote from your critique of Rupert: : "As I understand it, Rupert's thesis is that the experience of deep sleep is the essential nature of Awareness." You misunderstood it, and that's what I pointed out to you. You argue that Rupert teaches that "the experience of deep sleep is the essential nature of Awareness," but that is not what Rupert proposes. For him there is no third state, called deep sleep. He says that what everyone calls a "deep sleep state" is actually Pure Awareness of Being. In your critique you also add and I quote it; "limitlessness is not the essential nature of Awareness in Rupert's formulation". This is not correct and in the video and in all his books, he says the opposite. As for Turiya, Rupert says that there is no fourth state, just as Shankara pointed out in his commentary on the karika, from Gaudapada to the Mandukya Upanishad. So, who is it that really misunderstood?
@@mrbeyong I stand by all that I wrote on this thread so far. None of my writings that you quote even remotely suggest that I view deep sleep as a STATE in Rupert’s formulation of it. You seem to be conflating the terms ESSENTIAL NATURE and STATE to reach erroneous conclusions about my critique of Rupert’s presentation in this video. FYI, Advaita Vedanta 101 informs us that STATE is subject to change while ESSENTIAL NATURE is not. I invite you to re-read my original posting with this in view. Also, Rupert’s beliefs about Turiya and “Turiya athitha” expressed around 3:59 of this video amply demonstrate his inadequate understanding of classical Advaita Vedanta which I noted in my critique.
@@rsr9200 You say: I stand by all that I wrote: Perfect this world has room for differing opinions. As for your last reaction, I quote from your original critique: "the drawback of this formulation [Of Rupert formulation] is that it does not allow for the possibility of Awareness to be free of the deep sleep experience altogether" Here you clearly speak of deep sleep experience and associate it with Rupert. What is a deep sleep experience for you? A non-state? If for you Rupert does not refer to a state then what need is there of "allow for the possibility of Awareness to be free of deep sleep? Awareness does not need Rupert to agree with you or with Vedanta in order to be totally free. That Awareness you speak of would be something relative and dependent. As for Turiya and Turiyatita go to minute 7:58 and see how Rupert calls his proposition 'Higher understanding' not 'avaita 101 understanding' as the one who proposes that of Turiya and Turiyatita. To understand how Rupert could be right, without invalidating what tradition has taught, ask your traditional teacher to tell you about the methodology of Vedanta, especially what we call "adyaropa apavada."
Our experience of Deep-Sleep, Night-Bodies, is 'Isolated' by our Memory, because it is limited, and 'disturb' our Day-Consciousness in the physical body, not usefull for our current development.
This vessel in which we are is how God Almighty experiences all creation, what we call falling asleep it's no more than the human body itself which is the vessel resting...... Our conscious awareness never stops.....
Calling infinite consciousness "God" is disrespectful to infinite consciousness. "God" has qualities, infinite consciousness is truly boundless. "God" isn't even a speck of dirt compared to infinite being.
@@sideoutside I think that’s just one particular definition of God. “God” could be indistinct from every subatomic particle, every force and energy in the cosmos; and both wholly known while remaining a complete mystery. Atman and Brahman. I like YHWH - the past/present/future (non)Being that cannot be reduced to a word or concept. Or God as a sound Om or Word.
Nice explanation, What I understand from my guru, In deep sleep we are in original / real nature, this aware nes always present in waking moment also, but mind n Intelligence which gets inputs from our sensors interpret world in waking state is real, but actually it's a maya. Small experiment of watching this awareness in waking state will be first step to start living in original awareness - it is just like start watching who is behind your mind n Intelligence, you cannot see from your eye, because it has no shape, its infinite, just like air
I would ask Rupert, “what are the characteristics of deep sleep state which differentiate it from non-existence” I understand the concept that we don’t remember deep sleep because there are no physical qualities relating to the senses to remember, and that is precisely how memory is created and stored, but is there then any evidence of having an experience in any capacity at all? Can it be described in any non physical manner? I just feel like eternal deep sleep is what most people consider “dead dead”.
I must be gravely mistaken here or Rupert is. It is NOT my experience that I remember nothing of my meditations. I view memory as part and parcel of awareness/intelligence or else there would be no trace of functioning, reasoning, teaching etc. Does memory need objective phenomena to function, is not the experience of presence of being, bliss, whatnot plenty enough? And how could one know or describe anything if there was no hint of any memory? If there were not memory there would be no Vedanta not anything else for that matter. A memoryless place/state is a place just outside the edge of consciousness. People from ancient times knowingly traverse the whole of the sleeping and waking cycle with no break of consciousness (and memory), if they were to remember nothing of it they would have nothing much to talk about afterwards. If it is just the ego/mind that can cheat its way throughout this experience without be thrown to infinite forgetfulness that could explain it, maybe. Something is amiss here.. 12:39 If the mind can't know it or remember it, and there is no other agent (beyond the mind) active during it, then to imagine or ponder or postulate that is full of being and consciousness and bliss without knowing or remebering anything about it makes not much sense.
Blows my mind. But I ask, how do we know this state really exists if there is no memory of it. It is a belief of reality we are accepting, but can't prove with our minds, because there is no objective elements to experience or remember. Does that mean it exists or not?
How about.. in deep sleep consciousness is ignorant about itself and just experiencing the nothingness or the void whereas in the fourth state as per advaita it's aware of itself, aware of awareness but without mind where thoughts and objective witnessing is totally absent and that's the purest state of consciousness. Where it's experiencing itself in the purest form ever.
Advaita doesn't say that Turiya is the fourth state, as Rupert mentions here. That is grossly incorrect.Advaita itself means that ONE alone exists. Gaudapadacharya, who was the guru of the guru of Adi Shankaracharya, wrote a very famous commentary on Mandukyopanishad, called Mandukya Karika, which clearly mentions Consciousness as the ONE Reality, and the three states of Waking, Dreaming and Deep sleep as the "appearances" of that one reality.
06:40 another metaphor is sound synthesis where awaken state is the carrier sine wave modulated by OUM sine wave operator. As a result a tons of harmonics in the frequency spectr.. No mind means no carrier and only OUM modulator sine wave, simple.
How u so sure Rupert I experienced Turya it not like deep sleep it is behind deep sleep, turyatita is just a term for the sage Who is always aware of awareness (Turya)😊. But tbh I am not sure either I hope to be one Day.
Deep sleep is actually a state! We KNOW that we were in deep sleep - otherwise we would after falling asleep immediately dream, and then immediately wake up.
Consciousness is not primary. Consciousness is not floating around manifesting into reality. Something is conscious. Basic energy is conscious. Basic energy manifests into reality. The more complex the system, the more conscious it becomes. Dualities from an unknown singularity. Everyone thinks they know what that singularity is. Don’t say it is consciousness or awareness. “It” is conscious or aware. Saying “it” is saying too much.
As long as this question continues to be explained in duality, the confusion will remain. The commentary is locked in imagination and can never approach truth. The basic energy manifests as an organism and functions by constant transfer of energy from the environment to the organism, thereby fueling all aspects of life itself including consciousness, deep sleep, and dreaming. It is nothing more than energy transfer or transformation. The spiritual conversation creates the false self. Even the non-dualist suffers this illusion. Even as they deny it.
What about Coma's then? No one can wake you up if you were in a coma. And so are we to come to the conclusion that "Awareness is Aware" when one is in a coma?
@@JamesDidato If the waking state is an activity of awareness, a coma would be the inability to perform that activity. John Smith is busy with something at home, so he can't play King Lear right now.
@@selbstbestimmtheit Conjecture, (Guessing) is a product of Imagination. The problem with imagination is it creates more fiction than truth. How do we know this is true? How do we know that Rupert isn't fooling himself & then others? His whole thesis falls apart if he cannot create some "spin" / story about our individual Awareness in deep sleep, or being under anesthesia etc.. So we would also have to conclude that this "Activity of Awareness/Consciousness" then also creates a homo-sapien history of rapes, murders, genocide, etc? That's the history of our species & continues to be. Rupert says, "Consciousness must "forget" itself" and that's the reason for the atrocities. That is also a "Guess". Guessing is the origin of knowledge but most guesses are falsified. Our ancestors guessed that stars were slits to heaven. It was falsified. We guessed the earth was flat (falsified). Guessed that bloodletting works to cure disease (falsified). How does Rupert "KNOW" that is true? Did anyone ever ask Rupert that question? I'm not saying it's not true. I'm just asking how does he "Know"?
Awareness is a sense. It is not what senses. Common sense. Common sense is not what has common sense. Rupert’s opinion of consciousness is based on a flawed understanding of sensing and that which senses. Awareness doesn’t float around. Something is aware. Red doesn’t exist in and of itself. Something is red.
A new born kitten, first have to get use, to the eyes, before it become fully aware, and focus. Deep-Sleep, the Night-Bodies, is either too young or too old, for the awaked Day-Consciousness, to perform. Our Memory has closed the doors, to the Day.Consciousness in our physical body, and Coupling-Body, REM.
when you are in deep sleep you are still in conscious ? i don’t think that is true ! when you are in deep sleep you are no longer aware of what’s going on around you, also there doesn’t feel to be time when you are in sleep, you could be asleep for say 7 hours but the duration feels like a week 😂
You your lineage inception was initially FORMED ( the source) not BORN ( the biological). The FORM source and the BORN biological are in a symbiotic relationship. One cannot be without the other to be the intelligent species as a whole. When you say to yourself, " I am falling asleep", that would be correct because your FORM source has sent that message to your brain that due to energy use consumption and time factor, its time for you to go to sleep and therefore your brain has received that message from the FORM source in anticipation. It would be like being Anaesthetized to induce a loss of consciousness where you would be aware of that in anticipation. Absolute you are not conscious in deep sleep. Your Form source has made sure of that and so has the Anaesthetist. Reality couldn't care less what consciousness is nor what state of consciousness someone is in. The paper and colour comparison for infinite consciousness is just a gimmick to justify infinite consciousness. There is no such thing as infinite consciousness because consciousness has to be implemented by a FORM source for the Form source awareness of its surrounds for its survival and evolving. The Universe does not require consciousness because the Universe does not need to survive nor evolve and only exists in random events and random means " done without conscious decision. The Consciousness tool has stored your experience to be recalled when required. Hello!
Yes, you are aware enough to ask. We are all aware, but add onto this our false mind created “egoic mind”. This is your individual character in the cosmic play. Which you may educate, employ, and entertain. Choose wisely. Stay present to avoid pitfalls along your journey, or you lose touch with your consciousness and as a result lose presence by focussing on the future or past ( anxiety future/ depression past) . Both of which are false realities, where you do not exist. You are then distracted from the present reality, your goal is to stay fully present, to be able to react without thought to your egoic mind, but act from your source, a localization of infinite consciousness, where love, compassion and true conscious knowledge originate. All thought removes you from the present, and are false images, based on past data, for right or wrong.
Rainbow picture our Eternal Over-Consciousness, Colors is our Under-Consciousness = Day-Consciousness and Night-Consciousness. Instinct, Gravity, Feeling, Intelligence, Intuition, Memory. Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Indigo. We are Gravity-Beings, at night We move our Day-Consciousness to the Night-Bodies, Deep-Sleep, one by one, via our Coupling-Body, REM. All dreams, NDE, OBE, visits, messages, warnings, coma, is experienced via our Coupling-Body, REM. So, our Gravity-Body, Orange, physical body is our Primary Body, in the Developing-Circuit, these behind, is too 'old', and these ahead is too 'young', so our Day-Consciousness is limited in these bodies, and 'the windows' is Closed, in Memory, so We dont remember anything from the Night-Bodies, Deep-Sleep. ''Only awareness can be aware'', is a Thought-Fool, it is the same, to say that only our Consciousness can be Conscious, but Consciousness is Not conscious Only We, (X1) can be Conscious, because We have Consciousness. (X2) Eternal Life, is X0, Basic Analysis is X1, X2, X3. Yaeh, Rupert need to study the Cosmic Analysis.
Well if deep sleep was the absense of awerness, would not that imply that you would not even hear the alarm, how would that work, if it was the absense of awerness nothing could put you out of it and back into awerness, you need some awerness to listen to the alarm. Awerness is there in some other form in terms of duality speaking because in absolute reality is the same as the whole paper. And your system works that way, that maybe you might dream, you might hear to the footsteps of the cut, or the dogs outside howling but the system will not see a reason to awake you, there is no good reason not danger or threat , and no reason to transfer everything into memory on to the awaken state. One day i woke up and felt that i did not see a dream when i was asleep. But then my brother told me " i had a dream tonight about this and that" And suddenly it came to me that i indeed had a dream too , and the memory came of a weird dream that i could not remember the details of, but i remembered that i actually had a dream. Is not that proof that our experiences as we are awake and tell the story of " when i sleep i am nothing i literally dont exist" is fake and just a story?
The ability of Rupert to explain these non dual aspects so immaculately never ceases to amaze me !!
Each talk has special nuances, that some listeners may go , aha to, and get it. Then lose it, and find, repeat, ….
"Your waking state mind tells you that deep sleep is the absence of awareness. How do you know that it's not the awareness of absence." This is the most striking, deeply true, revelation that I have ever heard - thank you from the bottom of my heart for helping me to see this
Rupert converts the conventional view to a non-dual approach to reality! He articulates it so brilliantly. Thank you Rupert! I still wish I was you sometimes. It seems so safe.
yes many differentiate between consiousness and awareness for that reason. You can be aware of being unconsious. Or slipping out of consiousness or comming back into it. There are many levels of unconsiousness. Deep sleep isnt really disconnected from this world like dissociation or fainting bc touch or sound can easily have the consiousness return and you roughly know how much time has passed. You can see how dissociation is the I not wanting to be consious so what happens in experience also fades as the creation of I and the world always go hand in hand. Fainting was the deepest absence of I/consiousness I ever was aware of. Literally the only thing I could say about it afterwards, was I wasnt there as an observing presence.
I became aware during deep sleep once. I was like a blissful wave in an ocean of living light, and knew that the person I usually call 'me', was in fact a dream, and that this world is just a mental construct.
Wow that is a beautiful story of recognition!! ❤ and it is a great talentedness to put it in such delicious words. ❤😊❤ Absolutely can resonate with your comment. 😊 I've had the similar recognition to yours, while I was in the so called "awaken state" That "being like a blissful wave in an ocean of living light" is the only one true experience and existence for us, even during the so called awaken state or the so called dream state. Goes to show that if one can have this recognition whenever and in whichever "state" than it can be only one true self/awareness/being/consciousness. 😊🎉❤ NDE is an other way of helping some individual to recognise his or her true nature/self.❤❤❤
yeah....a mental construct that will cause you a lot of pain if you don't pay attention
Rupert would tell you thank you can’t be “aware” during deep sleep because that state is awareness itself. It’s confusing for me
You mean you can remember it... you're always awareness. That's beautiful though
Mr. Rupert's articulation of "thoughts, feelings, perceptions, sensations" as just objects of awareness, rather than components of the "I" just always strikes me as so correct and right on and accurately descriptive of actual experience. I find it amazing he seems to have hit upon such a clear and contemporary way of talking about these topics.
This treatise of Waking, Dreaming and Deep sleep state and the Turiya, which Rupert mentions, is from Mandukyopanishad. The Upanishads, which form the basis for Vedanta, are the most profoundly glorious scriptures on Existentialism. We must marvel at the philosophical discourses in Hinduism.
Because "deep sleep" doesn't really "happen." Time is an illusion. "Deep sleep" is part of the dream of this world. You only dream that you "deep sleep." You wake up later and "time has gone by." That is part of the dream; part of the simulation, so to speak. No time actually went by. You didn't actually sleep. You just pretended to have an experience where you were a "human" in "deep sleep," and then believed that you did, just because you woke up and "things around you were different." In other words, your very own dream updated itself to reflect the belief that you "slept," when you never did. You are eternally awake/aware. That is why you never experience gaps in awareness; because there aren't any. Experience (dream) seems to change; awareness does not. Regardless of the content of awareness, it is always present.
When you are aware in "deep sleep " you've got it, when you are aware of all states coming going changing but you as awareness remains, you have unveiled your true self. You can't talk about deep sleep because you can't create a memory from the experience, you just experience it, its not even an experience, you are that. no one can take you there, they can only point you to pure awareness, and you experience "deep sleep" as awareness. Work on awareness in the wake state and dream state, and it will roll over into the deep sleep state, which is not a state but your true self. You will then live as awareness always, not experiencing any state if that makes sense.
in my experience fainting was a much deeper state of absorption then deep sleep. In deep sleep there is some observing presence there, noticing sounds, touch, knowing how much time roughly passes, knowing how long and how deep you have slept, in fainting there is no observing, just an absence of 'I', no connection to senses, time ect. edit: when I read about samadhi this is the same, just total absorption
1:00 => I had the image of a telescope-antenna from the 80´s. Deep sleep is the biggest tube at the base and then it pulls out the 2nd tube (dream state) out of itself, and then another one (waking state). All the time the BASE is simply there at the BASE :) And the 2nd and 3rd tube can easily be retracted into the BASE.
That is a great analogy for understanding what is !!❤😊
That the most important video i ever saw in my all life,what a blessing we are lucky beyond imagination,thank you thank you thank you🎉❤
Good explanation. I like the white paper analogy
This is perhaps the third of Rupert's videos I've watched about deep sleep, thanks so much for posting, the synchronicity is awesome as I had just yesterday posted a comment elsewhere prompted by a previous video of Rupert's on this topic I had seen, and wow, an hour later here was a new video by Rupert on the exact same thing. Rupert Spira talks about our 3 levels or states of consciousness: the waking state which is mental or analytical, the dream state, and the deep sleep state which is not really a state but pure consciousness. Deep sleep, pure consciousness, which is the bulk of our sleep (dreams seem like a long time but they are actually only 5 minutes or less, I've read), is like dying every night because we are purely spirit as though we don't even have a body. Rupert talks about this in a few of his many videos. IMO it's a topic well worth learning about. I find it so unfortunate that we can't remember our deep sleep experiences in our waking state. What we call our waking state is truly the opposite; we are asleep at the wheel, run by our minds, immersed in the 3D simulation. Our dream state is pretty much the same, except our analytical mind is asleep so our minds are just fed mental stuff by the matrix. The waking and dream states are mental. What's called deep sleep is called what it is because our minds are asleep, or at least not active. IMO deep sleep is incredibly fascinating. I mean, WOW!! To know that every night we actually return to being pure consciousness while still in this incarnation and still having a mind; that even while existing in the 3D, we spend a third of our lives as though we are not incarnated at all. We truly are pure consciousness, we just spend two-thirds of our incarnation having forgotten that. Kurt says, remember who you are. We spend one-third of our lives remembering, in deep sleep. And we spend two-thirds of our lives forgetting who we are. So of course the solution is to bring the awareness of our true consciousness into our waking state. The way to do that is by meditation, which removes distractions, and allows our minds to quiet down more and more into stillness. And in that stillness we experience simply being, our pure consciousness, which is peace, joy, love. And from there we can transform our 3D lives. This is why we meditate. I want to soak up everything Rupert says about deep sleep, what could be more important and compelling as we strive to find our way through and out of the simulation labyrinth to our true selves? Love Rupert ❤️
Razor Sharp ....as usual !! Amazing
My goodness!!
Your explanation of the apparent 3 states has hit me like a bolt from the blue... Thank you
Brilliant unravelling. Amazing tenacity from Rupert. 😊
So brilliant, it is the first time I hear this way of presenting it and this is mind blowing... Thank you.
Having done shrooms a few times, there was one unexpected experience where I "fell asleep," and I was fully aware of my absence in what I recall as a void. Freaked me out! And then another time, I felt myself as tired, and yet the concept of actually sleeping seemed like an impossibility, like a distant memory of this activity I used to do, and as the trip continued I felt so unbelievably awake that I believed I would never have to sleep again! And I'm talking about a calm wakefulness. Not a feeling like I just had several cups of coffee. I wasn't wired. Just awake. The only people who experience what we believe to be sleeping are the people awake that may witness someone sleeping. The same goes for death. We see a body die, but that person is waking up into a new dimension.
Beautiful. You explained it so perfect
Thank you sweetheart, immense gratitude and love ❤🙏🙏
If in deep sleep there were a total absence of consciousness, then upon "waking" one would not have the ability to "re-collect" themselves as an individual (jiva) with an individual history etc.
The fact that we DO "re-collect" ourselves (our jiva) upon waking up from deep sleep indicates at least a certain "subtle" level of consciousness is still present even in deep sleep.
It is not that there is no consciousness in deep sleep, its that there is no awareness in the way we usually understand that term.
Awareness for us is "awareness OF.." because we usually operate within the dualistic context (of mind) of a "subject being aware of an object." This is only a dualistic kind of "awareness" or "awareness of."
"Consciousness" (turiya) however is the basic space where awareness can arise.
And so awareness in a sense is merely the "bright potential to know" (the light) which arises out of the limitless clear "space" of consciousness which is ever present.
Consciousness is not an object of awareness, it is its underlying basis.
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One time I was so depressed I just couldn't bear the weight of existence. I actually felt the physical sensation of depression. Like a weight on me all the time making everything seem hard to do and it got so intense that it was like I broke through some kind of barrier that I didn't know existed and I saw the light of God unobstructed and I realized that I was like a beam of light coming out from God and when I saw God I saw my relative conditioned life in God and everything that existed was not just part of God but rather God was fully and wholly present within everything equally. Then I descended back into normal consciousness again except the depression was gone and it has never returned. Since that time I have gradually regained most of that realization again but less intense. Now I just see it as that is what reality actually is and our individual lives are woven into the tapestry of the universe in such a way that we are a permanent part of it. It is a living tapestry that we call existence.
we are not the mind or the body we are all one energy source energy everything is just illussion great job
But in deep sleep there is no awareness. We are not conscious that we are in an objectless reality. We are not aware that we are aware there is nothing. If deep sleep is a state of pure awareness, why do we remember nothing - not even nothing?
I think it’s because there is nothing for awareness to illuminate. The mind remembers objects, but in deep sleep there are no objects to remember. Remembering is a function of the mind, not awareness, so you can’t remember anything.
I don’t know if I’m correct about this but it makes sense to me.
Even ( I Am) that is the present tense feeling of existence is also perceivable or observable. It is also perceived like an object or knowledge by the self. Hence there is no knowing even of the self ( i.e. there is no sense of " I Am ness ") in the deep sleep.
That's totally true. This is the point where you begin to differentiate mind from awareness. Isn't it just unbelievable how a plant can grow without a mind, a brain? That's how your body grows too and does its thing... While our certain mental faculties are shut down, our brains is lit up like a Christmas tree, yet we're not aware of it at all, yet there must be some consciousness, some awareness conducting the symphony of interactions within the body, inside a cell... Can you imagine how actually little awareness we have access to?? Who are we???
If you were truly not conscious or aware in deep sleep, nothing could possibly startle you awake. You're assuming that awareness is only present during the experience of something. Instead, think of awareness as the potential to experience something.
You are reality in its purest form, does reality go away when you sleep? of course not, that would be silly. I think this is the easiest way to understand it.
So beautifully explained. The three States and beyond ❣️
Thank you Rupert ❤
I suddenly am able to grasp what Poonjaji's guidance to "sleep while awake"... means❤❤❤
I get a lot of blind spots and can’t remember a thing when I have too many drinks. Wow! That’s pure consciousness 😮
Also a wonderful approach 🙏🏼 thank you ...and maybe (of course only if we feel absolutely fine with and not bothered by it 😉) let's reduce drastically the importance of our 'I' and the comfort in our concepts and explanations a little bit and we might get even closer 😊
Rupert Spira 🙏
Normally, our conscious mind didn't remember the states arise during deep sleep;
But our subconscious mind remembers those states arose during then & stores it in the Alaya consciousness, according to the Buddhist Teachings. 😊🙏🙇♂️🌷
Not sure if Mind was blown by this explanation ...
😂 I'm right there with you
Yaeh, spontan experience with Intuition made
Ruperts aware of being Eternal, but there still much to
learn about the Eternal Life, and that Deep-Sleep
is our Night-Bodies/Consciousness, is still unknown to
most people, this he needs to study more extensive.
Our Day-Consciousness, is what he call 'awareness'.
Our physical body become one of the Night-Bodies,
while sleeping.
Deep sleep is when mind and organs of sesnses are „switched off”. Not sure how activity or inactivity of sesnes makes us closer to our nature or further from that. That, that permiates it all.
Closer in the sense that there is an absence of phenomenal objective projection.
@@mrbeyong phenomenal world is as much part of our nature, because it comes out of it, it is made by it. Trying to remove it to come closer to our nature is just neti neti approach.
Deep sleep is just one of transitional states of the bodily consciousness. In some traditions it is called for a reason poor’s man nirvana. It is misleqding to say that this is place cliser to our nature.
@@MrKubalaa Our nature has no parts. No one is trying to remove the phenomenal projection or negate it with neti neti. It simply appears in waking and dream and does not appear in what the uninitiated call the "state" of deep sleep. It is called closer because even the limiting aggregates [uphadis] persist. [The mind in a dormant state, The functions of prana, The anandamaya kosha, the vital force, the 5 elements etc.]
"What is the use of accepting the illusory nature of the universe and everything in it, while excluding yourself?"
Ramesh Balsekar
Wonderful explanation 🙂🙏
Everything that you can imagine and think of, excists.
But things that you cant, do not excist, for you.
Very good.
The question of why you can't remember being conscious in deep sleep, despite the fact that consciousness is present, points to the intricate relationship between awareness and memory. To explore this, consider the nature of consciousness and its interplay with the brain's processes during different states of sleep.
In deep sleep, you are indeed in a state of pure consciousness, but it's a state where the mind and its usual mechanisms of forming and retaining memories are significantly less active. Deep sleep, or slow-wave sleep, is characterized by minimal brain activity in the areas involved in conscious thought and memory formation. This state allows for deep rest and restorative processes but does not engage the cognitive functions necessary to create lasting memories.
When you are in deep sleep, your awareness is not lost; rather, it is in a different mode of operation. The consciousness that is present during deep sleep is akin to a backdrop that holds the space for experiences but does not actively record or interpret them in the way that waking consciousness does. This means that while you are aware, the nature of your awareness in deep sleep is not conducive to forming memories that you can later access.
The reason you cannot remember deep sleep experiences is not that awareness is absent but that the brain's ability to consolidate and store memories is greatly diminished. Memories are typically formed through active cognitive processes, which are largely inactive during deep sleep. This explains why, despite the presence of awareness, the experiences during this phase do not translate into recallable memories.
Understanding this helps to differentiate between various states of consciousness. Waking consciousness is highly engaged with memory formation and retrieval, while deep sleep consciousness serves a different, restorative function without engaging in the same memory processes. Recognizing this distinction can deepen your appreciation of how different states of consciousness contribute to your overall experience and well-being.
In essence, the inability to remember deep sleep experiences is not a reflection of a lack of awareness but rather an aspect of how the brain operates in different states. Each state of consciousness has its own role and purpose, and while deep sleep provides essential rest and rejuvenation, it does not involve the cognitive functions required for memory retention. This understanding highlights the richness of consciousness and the varied ways it manifests across different states.
I enjoyed the thought-provoking interchange between Rupert and his student in this video. However, for an adherent of classical Advaita Vedanta like me, Rupert’s formulation of our deep sleep experience lacks the logical soundness of the Advaita narrative I prefer.
As I understand it, Rupert’s thesis is that the experience of deep sleep is the essential nature of Awareness. Consequently, all other experiences, e.g., waking, dreaming, etc., are merely illusory perturbations of this unchanging deep sleep experience. Despite its simplicity and elegance, the drawback of this formulation is that it does not allow for the possibility of Awareness to be free of the deep sleep experience altogether, i.e., for Awareness to be neither the experiencer nor the experience of deep sleep. Consequently, Awareness is not limitless in this formulation. In other words, limitlessness is not the essential nature of Awareness in Rupert’s formulation. Therefore, I submit that Rupert’s thesis is logically flawed.
Also, my understanding of the classical Advaita Vedanta narrative on deep sleep is very different from what is presented by Rupert in this video. For instance, I am not aware of any authentic writings of Sri Shankara on Vedanta wherein he presents the notion of “Turiya athitha” which Rupert attributes to classical Advaita Vedanta. Furthermore, the writings of Sri Shankara on the Mandukya Karika make it very clear that Turiya is not a “fourth state” as Rupert mistakenly assumes that to be.
In Spira's formulation Consciousness does not experience any sleep as you mistakenly interpret. Sleep does not point to any state. Sleep is just a pointer to the Pure consciousness of Being. In formulations like Nisargadatta Maharaj's Consciousness is neither the experiencer nor the experience of sleep for the simple reason that he proposes unconsciousness in that supposed "state." What many overlook is that this is what materialism and nihilism also propose.
@@mrbeyong Thank you for your observations. However, you seem to have misunderstood my original posting on this thread. I did not assert that deep sleep was a state in Rupert’s formulation as you seem to have mistakenly concluded. Since your observations are based on an incorrect premise, they are invalid.
@@rsr9200Here I quote from your critique of Rupert: : "As I understand it, Rupert's thesis is that the experience of deep sleep is the essential nature of Awareness." You misunderstood it, and that's what I pointed out to you. You argue that Rupert teaches that "the experience of deep sleep is the essential nature of Awareness," but that is not what Rupert proposes. For him there is no third state, called deep sleep. He says that what everyone calls a "deep sleep state" is actually Pure Awareness of Being. In your critique you also add and I quote it; "limitlessness is not the essential nature of Awareness in Rupert's formulation". This is not correct and in the video and in all his books, he says the opposite. As for Turiya, Rupert says that there is no fourth state, just as Shankara pointed out in his commentary on the karika, from Gaudapada to the Mandukya Upanishad. So, who is it that really misunderstood?
@@mrbeyong I stand by all that I wrote on this thread so far. None of my writings that you quote even remotely suggest that I view deep sleep as a STATE in Rupert’s formulation of it. You seem to be conflating the terms ESSENTIAL NATURE and STATE to reach erroneous conclusions about my critique of Rupert’s presentation in this video. FYI, Advaita Vedanta 101 informs us that STATE is subject to change while ESSENTIAL NATURE is not. I invite you to re-read my original posting with this in view. Also, Rupert’s beliefs about Turiya and “Turiya athitha” expressed around 3:59 of this video amply demonstrate his inadequate understanding of classical Advaita Vedanta which I noted in my critique.
@@rsr9200 You say: I stand by all that I wrote: Perfect this world has room for differing opinions. As for your last reaction, I quote from your original critique:
"the drawback of this formulation [Of Rupert formulation] is that it does not allow for the possibility of Awareness to be free of the deep sleep experience altogether"
Here you clearly speak of deep sleep experience and associate it with Rupert. What is a deep sleep experience for you? A non-state? If for you Rupert does not refer to a state then what need is there of "allow for the possibility of Awareness to be free of deep sleep? Awareness does not need Rupert to agree with you or with Vedanta in order to be totally free. That Awareness you speak of would be something relative and dependent. As for Turiya and Turiyatita go to minute 7:58 and see how Rupert calls his proposition 'Higher understanding' not 'avaita 101 understanding' as the one who proposes that of Turiya and Turiyatita. To understand how Rupert could be right, without invalidating what tradition has taught, ask your traditional teacher to tell you about the methodology of Vedanta, especially what we call "adyaropa apavada."
What is our experience of deep sleep if it isn't a blank empty void?
Our experience of Deep-Sleep, Night-Bodies, is 'Isolated'
by our Memory, because it is limited, and 'disturb' our
Day-Consciousness in the physical body, not usefull
for our current development.
This vessel in which we are is how God Almighty experiences all creation, what we call falling asleep it's no more than the human body itself which is the vessel resting...... Our conscious awareness never stops.....
Calling infinite consciousness "God" is disrespectful to infinite consciousness. "God" has qualities, infinite consciousness is truly boundless. "God" isn't even a speck of dirt compared to infinite being.
@@sideoutside I think that’s just one particular definition of God. “God” could be indistinct from every subatomic particle, every force and energy in the cosmos; and both wholly known while remaining a complete mystery. Atman and Brahman. I like YHWH - the past/present/future (non)Being that cannot be reduced to a word or concept. Or God as a sound Om or Word.
Deep Sleep is Zero/IGNORANCE... waking is dreaming and result of the previous deep sleep.
Sound Sleep must be attained Consciously.
Nice explanation, What I understand from my guru, In deep sleep we are in original / real nature, this aware nes always present in waking moment also, but mind n Intelligence which gets inputs from our sensors interpret world in waking state is real, but actually it's a maya. Small experiment of watching this awareness in waking state will be first step to start living in original awareness - it is just like start watching who is behind your mind n Intelligence, you cannot see from your eye, because it has no shape, its infinite, just like air
I once woke up from sleep, but my body had not woken up.
Just my mind had woken up.
It was a horrifying experience.
Are these comments moderated ? It looks like Rupert does not publish comments that criticise his views.
I dont think so, but some of the comments,
question or correct his 'awareness'.
I would ask Rupert, “what are the characteristics of deep sleep state which differentiate it from non-existence”
I understand the concept that we don’t remember deep sleep because there are no physical qualities relating to the senses to remember, and that is precisely how memory is created and stored, but is there then any evidence of having an experience in any capacity at all? Can it be described in any non physical manner? I just feel like eternal deep sleep is what most people consider “dead dead”.
I must be gravely mistaken here or Rupert is. It is NOT my experience that I remember nothing of my meditations.
I view memory as part and parcel of awareness/intelligence or else there would be no trace of functioning, reasoning, teaching etc.
Does memory need objective phenomena to function, is not the experience of presence of being, bliss, whatnot plenty enough? And how could one know or describe anything if there was no hint of any memory?
If there were not memory there would be no Vedanta not anything else for that matter.
A memoryless place/state is a place just outside the edge of consciousness.
People from ancient times knowingly traverse the whole of the sleeping and waking cycle with no break of consciousness (and memory), if they were to remember nothing of it they would have nothing much to talk about afterwards.
If it is just the ego/mind that can cheat its way throughout this experience without be thrown to infinite forgetfulness that could explain it, maybe.
Something is amiss here..
12:39 If the mind can't know it or remember it, and there is no other agent (beyond the mind) active during it, then to imagine or ponder or postulate that is full of being and consciousness and bliss without knowing or remebering anything about it makes not much sense.
Blows my mind. But I ask, how do we know this state really exists if there is no memory of it. It is a belief of reality we are accepting, but can't prove with our minds, because there is no objective elements to experience or remember. Does that mean it exists or not?
Stop. Your inquiry is ENLIGHTEMENT.
Great question! 👍
How about.. in deep sleep consciousness is ignorant about itself and just experiencing the nothingness or the void whereas in the fourth state as per advaita it's aware of itself, aware of awareness but without mind where thoughts and objective witnessing is totally absent and that's the purest state of consciousness. Where it's experiencing itself in the purest form ever.
I'll be frank I find this all far too confusing.
Because you don't know from what stand point Rupert talks
@@widipermono854 Fine, but as I said I listen to the video a few times and I still find it far too confusing.
Hi Frank
@@lampy4485 how did you know my real name was Frank? Are you a mind reader?
@@Pedro-s4k3y I’ll be Honest, I have no idea
Advaita doesn't say that Turiya is the fourth state, as Rupert mentions here. That is grossly incorrect.Advaita itself means that ONE alone exists.
Gaudapadacharya, who was the guru of the guru of Adi Shankaracharya, wrote a very famous commentary on Mandukyopanishad, called Mandukya Karika, which clearly mentions Consciousness as the ONE Reality, and the three states of Waking, Dreaming and Deep sleep as the "appearances" of that one reality.
Brilliant!
thank you pure awarance love peace 💟💟💟💟
06:40 another metaphor is sound synthesis where awaken state is the carrier sine wave modulated by OUM sine wave operator. As a result a tons of harmonics in the frequency spectr.. No mind means no carrier and only OUM modulator sine wave, simple.
Don't think ppl savvy with FM synthesis.🙂
@@tonystephen6312 any synthesis, also there are no ppl or separated mind, only consciousness activities
‘ infinite consciousness’
Why is he telling the guy he doesn't remember his meditations 🤔
How u so sure Rupert I experienced Turya it not like deep sleep it is behind deep sleep, turyatita is just a term for the sage Who is always aware of awareness (Turya)😊. But tbh I am not sure either I hope to be one Day.
smart watch usually registered 3 hours of deep sleep at times it is 4 hours
5:38 => Answer: A white paper that has been added red and blue paint on top of it.
Yaeh, it is very a limited picture of
our Night-Bodies, Deep-Sleep.
There’s no «why?” because there’s no “cause”. It’s singular
Thanks
Important.
Awareness,is not aware of its self.awareness just is,it does not think?
Deep sleep is actually a state! We KNOW that we were in deep sleep - otherwise we would after falling asleep immediately dream, and then immediately wake up.
yes!
Consciousness is not primary. Consciousness is not floating around manifesting into reality. Something is conscious. Basic energy is conscious. Basic energy manifests into reality. The more complex the system, the more conscious it becomes. Dualities from an unknown singularity. Everyone thinks they know what that singularity is. Don’t say it is consciousness or awareness. “It” is conscious or aware. Saying “it” is saying too much.
DEEP SLEEP/PURE AWARENESS!!!!!!
What Rupert call awareness,
is our Day-Consciousness,
it is some how limited in
the Night-Bodies.
We're in an ancestor computer simulation
Consciousness can't be simulated. The whole premise is false.
As long as this question continues to be explained in duality, the confusion will remain. The commentary is locked in imagination and can never approach truth. The basic energy manifests as an organism and functions by constant transfer of energy from the environment to the organism, thereby fueling all aspects of life itself including consciousness, deep sleep, and dreaming. It is nothing more than energy transfer or transformation. The spiritual conversation creates the false self. Even the non-dualist suffers this illusion. Even as they deny it.
If you weren't aware during deep sleep, nothing/nobody could wake you up.
Wow
What about Coma's then? No one can wake you up if you were in a coma. And so are we to come to the conclusion that "Awareness is Aware" when one is in a coma?
@@JamesDidato If the waking state is an activity of awareness, a coma would be the inability to perform that activity. John Smith is busy with something at home, so he can't play King Lear right now.
I was in a coma for 10 days. I was still aware but aware in the dream state.@@JamesDidato
@@selbstbestimmtheit Conjecture, (Guessing) is a product of Imagination. The problem with imagination is it creates more fiction than truth. How do we know this is true? How do we know that Rupert isn't fooling himself & then others? His whole thesis falls apart if he cannot create some "spin" / story about our individual Awareness in deep sleep, or being under anesthesia etc.. So we would also have to conclude that this "Activity of Awareness/Consciousness" then also creates a homo-sapien history of rapes, murders, genocide, etc? That's the history of our species & continues to be. Rupert says, "Consciousness must "forget" itself" and that's the reason for the atrocities. That is also a "Guess". Guessing is the origin of knowledge but most guesses are falsified. Our ancestors guessed that stars were slits to heaven. It was falsified. We guessed the earth was flat (falsified). Guessed that bloodletting works to cure disease (falsified). How does Rupert "KNOW" that is true? Did anyone ever ask Rupert that question? I'm not saying it's not true. I'm just asking how does he "Know"?
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Words words words...
we live in a fake reality great job xxx
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Why does Rupert need “awareness” to be present during deep sleep? When we are in deep sleep isn’t it obvious we are not aware?
Awareness ( our true self ) never ceases to presences . When we are ( mind-body ) in deep sleep for sure, we are ( body-mind ) not aware
Awareness is a sense. It is not what senses. Common sense. Common sense is not what has common sense. Rupert’s opinion of consciousness is based on a flawed understanding of sensing and that which senses. Awareness doesn’t float around. Something is aware. Red doesn’t exist in and of itself. Something is red.
A new born kitten, first have to get use,
to the eyes, before it become fully aware, and focus.
Deep-Sleep, the Night-Bodies, is either too young
or too old, for the awaked Day-Consciousness,
to perform.
Our Memory has closed the doors, to the
Day.Consciousness in our physical body,
and Coupling-Body, REM.
🙏💜🙏
this crowd looks either bored or depressed
But when you are asleep you’re aware of nothing ….. no thing
when you are in deep sleep you are still in conscious ? i don’t think that is true ! when you are in deep sleep you are no longer aware of what’s going on around you, also there doesn’t feel to be time when you are in sleep, you could be asleep for say 7 hours but the duration feels like a week 😂
ya'll just think about it too much... and think he has the answers ... good luck and best wishes... hope you didn't pay any money for it...
You your lineage inception was initially FORMED ( the source) not BORN ( the biological). The FORM source and the BORN biological are in a symbiotic relationship. One cannot be without the other to be the intelligent species as a whole. When you say to yourself, " I am falling asleep", that would be correct because your FORM source has sent that message to your brain that due to energy use consumption and time factor, its time for you to go to sleep and therefore your brain has received that message from the FORM source in anticipation. It would be like being Anaesthetized to induce a loss of consciousness where you would be aware of that in anticipation. Absolute you are not conscious in deep sleep. Your Form source has made sure of that and so has the Anaesthetist.
Reality couldn't care less what consciousness is nor what state of consciousness someone is in.
The paper and colour comparison for infinite consciousness is just a gimmick to justify infinite consciousness. There is no such thing as infinite consciousness because consciousness has to be implemented by a FORM source for the Form source awareness of its surrounds for its survival and evolving. The Universe does not require consciousness because the Universe does not need to survive nor evolve and only exists in random events and random means " done without conscious decision.
The Consciousness tool has stored your experience to be recalled when required. Hello!
am i aware?
Yes, you are aware enough to ask. We are all aware, but add onto this our false mind created “egoic mind”. This is your individual character in the cosmic play. Which you may educate, employ, and entertain. Choose wisely. Stay present to avoid pitfalls along your journey, or you lose touch with your consciousness and as a result lose presence by focussing on the future or past ( anxiety future/ depression past) . Both of which are false realities, where you do not exist. You are then distracted from the present reality, your goal is to stay fully present, to be able to react without thought to your egoic mind, but act from your source, a localization of infinite consciousness, where love, compassion and true conscious knowledge originate. All thought removes you from the present, and are false images, based on past data, for right or wrong.
You are Awareness.
Hola ¡ tot es consciencia amb distinció està en diferents estats que comporten diferents reaccions,,
Williams Thomas Perez Barbara Young Charles
Rainbow picture our Eternal Over-Consciousness,
Colors is our Under-Consciousness =
Day-Consciousness and Night-Consciousness.
Instinct, Gravity, Feeling, Intelligence, Intuition, Memory.
Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Indigo.
We are Gravity-Beings, at night We move our Day-Consciousness
to the Night-Bodies, Deep-Sleep, one by one,
via our Coupling-Body, REM.
All dreams, NDE, OBE, visits, messages, warnings, coma,
is experienced via our Coupling-Body, REM.
So, our Gravity-Body, Orange, physical body is our
Primary Body, in the Developing-Circuit, these behind,
is too 'old', and these ahead is too 'young', so our
Day-Consciousness is limited in these bodies,
and 'the windows' is Closed, in Memory, so We dont
remember anything from the Night-Bodies, Deep-Sleep.
''Only awareness can be aware'', is a Thought-Fool,
it is the same, to say that only our Consciousness
can be Conscious, but Consciousness is Not conscious
Only We, (X1) can be Conscious, because We have
Consciousness. (X2)
Eternal Life, is X0, Basic Analysis is X1, X2, X3.
Yaeh, Rupert need to study the Cosmic Analysis.
Well if deep sleep was the absense of awerness, would not that imply that you would not even hear the alarm, how would that work, if it was the absense of awerness nothing could put you out of it and back into awerness, you need some awerness to listen to the alarm. Awerness is there in some other form in terms of duality speaking because in absolute reality is the same as the whole paper. And your system works that way, that maybe you might dream, you might hear to the footsteps of the cut, or the dogs outside howling but the system will not see a reason to awake you, there is no good reason not danger or threat , and no reason to transfer everything into memory on to the awaken state.
One day i woke up and felt that i did not see a dream when i was asleep.
But then my brother told me " i had a dream tonight about this and that"
And suddenly it came to me that i indeed had a dream too , and the memory came of a weird dream that i could not remember the details of, but i remembered that i actually had a dream.
Is not that proof that our experiences as we are awake and tell the story of " when i sleep i am nothing i literally dont exist" is fake and just a story?
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