This is ABSURD. As a profesional violinist I can tell you ANYONE can fail anytime... Ray chen is not even my favorite violinist or in my top 50 but is a world class soloist for sure. It doesnt mean he has to play perfect or in tune always. I saw the best in the world fail badly live, Zimerman, Jansen, kavakos, batiashvili... All are human and posting this pointing it like something he must regret is bad taste.
ray chen has literally declined. If you watch his previous concerto, and then watch the new one, you see worse playing. My favourite and least favourite version of the tchaikovsky violin concerto is both by Ray chen. His Seattle performance of the tchaikovsky was amazing (string break one) yet the one he did recently was sooo bad ive seen 15 year olds play it better than he did. Same with sibelius. His 2015 was perfect and his 2021 sibelius was okay but not as good.
@@omniyx7837man idk bout you, but when someone decided to play music so hard that it goes against the natrual inclinations of an instrument (literally using a guitar to play whats on this sheet music is more worth your time) anything close to correct is already a win in my book
I was in this concert, it was on Hamburg 12.09.24. He played it after the Mendelssohn Violin Concerto. Before playing this piece, he said he has not practiced it in a long time and this is the first in quite some time he is performing it again. The people in the audience had a good time, he got standing ovation.
He literally played this after encore in Singapore. Who wouldn't be tired form playing an entire concert and then play a complicated piece after it?! In this case context matters...
ray chen has literally declined. If you watch his previous concerto, and then watch the new one, you see worse playing. My favourite and least favourite version of the tchaikovsky violin concerto is both by Ray chen. His Seattle performance of the tchaikovsky was amazing (string break one) yet the one he did recently was sooo bad ive seen 15 year olds play it better than he did. Same with sibelius. His 2015 was perfect and his 2021 sibelius was okay but not as good.
Bro i dont remember that performance of her, but she did 4th finger vibrato on the e string and reached prolly the highest violin note ever, super far up the fretboard, that was just next level
Yeah perfect example to see his technical decline.. He's grown so much musically and is still technically better than most of us will ever be but he's just not as good as he was. He seems to care more about being an entertainer than being one of the great violinsts these days. But that's just a hot take, I love Rays playing, but you can't not see this.
Kinda reminds me of roman kim lol, in 2013 he was super technical, but these days he focuses on musicality, wonder if his technicality is still insane...
ray chen has literally declined. If you watch his previous concerto, and then watch the new one, you see worse playing. My favourite and least favourite version of the tchaikovsky violin concerto is both by Ray chen. His Seattle performance of the tchaikovsky was amazing (string break one) yet the one he did recently was sooo bad ive seen 15 year olds play it better than he did. Same with sibelius. His 2015 was perfect and his 2021 sibelius was okay but not as good.
ray chen has literally declined. If you watch his previous concerto, and then watch the new one, you see worse playing. My favourite and least favourite version of the tchaikovsky violin concerto is both by Ray chen. His Seattle performance of the tchaikovsky was amazing (string break one) yet the one he did recently was sooo bad ive seen 15 year olds play it better than he did. Same with sibelius. His 2015 was perfect and his 2021 sibelius was okay but not as good.
This video is obviously made by a non musician, or a person with bad intentions. The video maliciously compare two performances of a same artist and jump to unrealistic conclusions. I accidently found that the same person is obsessed with Ray Chen and made other videos in the same manner. He or she obviously is way out of music field and pursuing some strange agenda.
No, ray chen has literally declined. If you watch his previous concerto, and then watch the new one, you see worse playing. My favourite and least favourite version of the tchaikovsky violin concerto is both by Ray chen. His Seattle performance of the tchaikovsky was amazing (string break one) yet the one he did recently was sooo bad ive seen 15 year olds play it better than he did. Same with sibelius. His 2015 was perfect and his 2021 sibelius was okay but not as good.
@@omniyx7837Of course Chen declined. IN SOME performances. It may come as surprise to you, but every musician in the world declined temporarely or permanently during his carrier. It is normal to comment on that. However it is not normal to make a serious of videos with that single observation about single musician. Even more, it is possible that musician had some other concert where he improved himself. Does the video author listen every Chen's concert around the world?
Dude the first one is in front of a professional orchestra probably being recorded by actual cameramen, and the second one is recorded in a highschool classroom on a shitty phone camera and the second recording is a trillion times better
@@omniyx7837The first one is not recorded professionally. I was in the concert. It was by someone’s phone, which was not allowed, but some people did it regardless. A smartphone is not good recording equipment.
Whoever is posting this is rude, and immature. Anything could happen in a live performance so people need to chill. I feel like whoever posted this needs to get their act together. How unprofessional.
He played it much better when he was older. If you don’t think so, you’re probably a disgruntled musician. People do not come to concerts to hear perfect intonation. They want to be moved.
He is always too much, never knows how to contain. Never have I liked his music style nor appreciation. Anyone can haven perfect technicality. He lacks everyone else
He. doesn't play what is written in the original score: bowings are not accurate and makes it easy, and still plays out of tune... nothing compare to Oistrach or Milstein...but he is what we call a popular and commercial violinist.
He is just not as good. My favourite and least favourite version of the tchaikovsky violin concerto is both by Ray chen. His Seattle performance of the tchaikovsky was amazing (string break one) yet the one he did recently was sooo bad ive seen 15 year olds play it better than he did.
Since Ray cares about being a makeshift kpop star more than a violinist, he should just retire and focus on his yt channel. Right now he doesnt practice and only does social media but still tries to perform as a professional violinist and does shitty playing. You cant be a world class player and a social media star. Theres a reason why every other great violin player doesnt run multiple social media pages.
And? Seriously; don't go to his concerts if you don't want to. Nobody is forcing you. Plus, I saw him live last year with the TSO and personally, he sounded amazing to me. Granted, I play the clarinet in two youth orchestras, so I obviously would not have the best comment regarding a violin concerto, however people still enjoyed the concert. Stop being so critical, and if you're going to continue to do so, then be critical of yourself. He is a better player than you. Improve yourself.
ray chen has literally declined. If you watch his previous concerto, and then watch the new one, you see worse playing. My favourite and least favourite version of the tchaikovsky violin concerto is both by Ray chen. His Seattle performance of the tchaikovsky was amazing (string break one) yet the one he did recently was sooo bad ive seen 15 year olds play it better than he did. Same with sibelius. His 2015 was perfect and his 2021 sibelius was okay but not as good.
@@omniyx7837 i agree, but you can't just say he sucks. he's most definitely declined but does that make him so bad he "sucks"? like I'm sure this person can't play nearly as good as him. it was just the language
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This is ABSURD. As a profesional violinist I can tell you ANYONE can fail anytime... Ray chen is not even my favorite violinist or in my top 50 but is a world class soloist for sure. It doesnt mean he has to play perfect or in tune always. I saw the best in the world fail badly live, Zimerman, Jansen, kavakos, batiashvili... All are human and posting this pointing it like something he must regret is bad taste.
ray chen has literally declined. If you watch his previous concerto, and then watch the new one, you see worse playing. My favourite and least favourite version of the tchaikovsky violin concerto is both by Ray chen. His Seattle performance of the tchaikovsky was amazing (string break one) yet the one he did recently was sooo bad ive seen 15 year olds play it better than he did.
Same with sibelius. His 2015 was perfect and his 2021 sibelius was okay but not as good.
@@omniyx7837man idk bout you, but when someone decided to play music so hard that it goes against the natrual inclinations of an instrument (literally using a guitar to play whats on this sheet music is more worth your time) anything close to correct is already a win in my book
I was in this concert, it was on Hamburg 12.09.24. He played it after the Mendelssohn Violin Concerto. Before playing this piece, he said he has not practiced it in a long time and this is the first in quite some time he is performing it again. The people in the audience had a good time, he got standing ovation.
no... he was practise
He literally played this after encore in Singapore. Who wouldn't be tired form playing an entire concert and then play a complicated piece after it?! In this case context matters...
ray chen has literally declined. If you watch his previous concerto, and then watch the new one, you see worse playing. My favourite and least favourite version of the tchaikovsky violin concerto is both by Ray chen. His Seattle performance of the tchaikovsky was amazing (string break one) yet the one he did recently was sooo bad ive seen 15 year olds play it better than he did.
Same with sibelius. His 2015 was perfect and his 2021 sibelius was okay but not as good.
Copying and pasting the same message... I think you have a fixation. @@omniyx7837
@@omniyx7837 in the one that he performed worse was because he played this after encore and he hadn’t studied the piece in a long time
@@carlosesegura7705Yeah, context is important here.
Keeping the same world class soloist level is 1000× times harder than other stuff and only a true violinist would get that
There’s something wrong with implying anyone that cannot do that isn’t a “true” violinist
Yeah, I feel like his confidence now overshadow his real technique.
As a violinist i tell you absurd difficult. And all with a smile.
You'll learn the difference between play an encore after a concerto in front of thousands people and play it in a small class for friends
I dont care what anyone says, but Hilary will always be my favourite violinist cuz of her impeccable techniques at all times
@@el760 yess....👍🎻🎻
Bro i dont remember that performance of her, but she did 4th finger vibrato on the e string and reached prolly the highest violin note ever, super far up the fretboard, that was just next level
just typical snobbish!
He’s way more musical now.
Whoa that's crazy, I've heard ppl talk Abt this, but to see it like this is crazy
OK OMG THIS IS GETTING INTENSE
@@RinaFlutist ohhh boy XDDDD hiiii
Yeah perfect example to see his technical decline.. He's grown so much musically and is still technically better than most of us will ever be but he's just not as good as he was. He seems to care more about being an entertainer than being one of the great violinsts these days. But that's just a hot take, I love Rays playing, but you can't not see this.
Kinda reminds me of roman kim lol, in 2013 he was super technical, but these days he focuses on musicality, wonder if his technicality is still insane...
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Yep
ray chen has literally declined. If you watch his previous concerto, and then watch the new one, you see worse playing. My favourite and least favourite version of the tchaikovsky violin concerto is both by Ray chen. His Seattle performance of the tchaikovsky was amazing (string break one) yet the one he did recently was sooo bad ive seen 15 year olds play it better than he did.
Same with sibelius. His 2015 was perfect and his 2021 sibelius was okay but not as good.
I love how paganini won't repeat the same note for 10 times
Amazing!👍👍👍
Let bro have fun
it's harder to play on stage with an audience, you have to consider the projection of the sound compared to playing in front of a classroom
ray chen has literally declined. If you watch his previous concerto, and then watch the new one, you see worse playing. My favourite and least favourite version of the tchaikovsky violin concerto is both by Ray chen. His Seattle performance of the tchaikovsky was amazing (string break one) yet the one he did recently was sooo bad ive seen 15 year olds play it better than he did.
Same with sibelius. His 2015 was perfect and his 2021 sibelius was okay but not as good.
Not really
U don’t have to copy and paste the exact message under every comment
@@lolnation7557Real
@@omniyx7837 Buddy keeps commenting.
This is actually much much easier than the original written by paganini 😂
This video is obviously made by a non musician, or a person with bad intentions. The video maliciously compare two performances of a same artist and jump to unrealistic conclusions.
I accidently found that the same person is obsessed with Ray Chen and made other videos in the same manner.
He or she obviously is way out of music field and pursuing some strange agenda.
No, ray chen has literally declined. If you watch his previous concerto, and then watch the new one, you see worse playing. My favourite and least favourite version of the tchaikovsky violin concerto is both by Ray chen. His Seattle performance of the tchaikovsky was amazing (string break one) yet the one he did recently was sooo bad ive seen 15 year olds play it better than he did.
Same with sibelius. His 2015 was perfect and his 2021 sibelius was okay but not as good.
@@omniyx7837Of course Chen declined. IN SOME performances. It may come as surprise to you, but every musician in the world declined temporarely or permanently during his carrier.
It is normal to comment on that. However it is not normal to make a serious of videos with that single observation about single musician.
Even more, it is possible that musician had some other concert where he improved himself. Does the video author listen every Chen's concert around the world?
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It is not the stroke as written by Milstein. This is rather simplified....
So all that’s changed is the recording equipment. Am I hearing that correctly?
Dude the first one is in front of a professional orchestra probably being recorded by actual cameramen, and the second one is recorded in a highschool classroom on a shitty phone camera and the second recording is a trillion times better
@@omniyx7837The first one is not recorded professionally. I was in the concert. It was by someone’s phone, which was not allowed, but some people did it regardless. A smartphone is not good recording equipment.
Ray is my mom
Whoever is posting this is rude, and immature. Anything could happen in a live performance so people need to chill. I feel like whoever posted this needs to get their act together. How unprofessional.
The pitch..
Grauenvoll und ohne jegliches Herz!
Da kann man nur wegklucken!!😳
He played it much better when he was older. If you don’t think so, you’re probably a disgruntled musician. People do not come to concerts to hear perfect intonation. They want to be moved.
Absolutely true
>>"He played it much better when he was older."
You mean he was even worse when he was younger?
He looks like the requiter from squid game season 2
can you link the full vid?
None of the two are perfect and now sound is better… just a messy night
He is always too much, never knows how to contain. Never have I liked his music style nor appreciation. Anyone can haven perfect technicality. He lacks everyone else
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Intonation-yikes! maybe he should practice more carefully and spend last time on the gram
He. doesn't play what is written in the original score: bowings are not accurate and makes it easy, and still plays out of tune... nothing compare to Oistrach or Milstein...but he is what we call a popular and commercial violinist.
He is just not as good. My favourite and least favourite version of the tchaikovsky violin concerto is both by Ray chen. His Seattle performance of the tchaikovsky was amazing (string break one) yet the one he did recently was sooo bad ive seen 15 year olds play it better than he did.
Why is bro making multiple comments and multiple replies hating on Ray Chen lmaooo like get a life 💀
Since Ray cares about being a makeshift kpop star more than a violinist, he should just retire and focus on his yt channel. Right now he doesnt practice and only does social media but still tries to perform as a professional violinist and does shitty playing. You cant be a world class player and a social media star. Theres a reason why every other great violin player doesnt run multiple social media pages.
And? Seriously; don't go to his concerts if you don't want to. Nobody is forcing you.
Plus, I saw him live last year with the TSO and personally, he sounded amazing to me. Granted, I play the clarinet in two youth orchestras, so I obviously would not have the best comment regarding a violin concerto, however people still enjoyed the concert.
Stop being so critical, and if you're going to continue to do so, then be critical of yourself. He is a better player than you.
Improve yourself.
Keyboard warriors when they realise soloists too are human and can make mistakes
how are you a real person
Just awful!
He sucks
im sorry what.
True
ray chen has literally declined. If you watch his previous concerto, and then watch the new one, you see worse playing. My favourite and least favourite version of the tchaikovsky violin concerto is both by Ray chen. His Seattle performance of the tchaikovsky was amazing (string break one) yet the one he did recently was sooo bad ive seen 15 year olds play it better than he did.
Same with sibelius. His 2015 was perfect and his 2021 sibelius was okay but not as good.
@@omniyx7837 i agree, but you can't just say he sucks. he's most definitely declined but does that make him so bad he "sucks"? like I'm sure this person can't play nearly as good as him. it was just the language
@@omniyx7837you have replied this exact message on like 5 different comments bruh
Man, a violin is such an annoying instrument. Not one single beautiful sound.
Азиаты не слышат тембр , все бессмысленно