You deny God 'cuz you just wanna sin
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- Опубликовано: 28 фев 2018
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I still keep seeing the same old already-refuted all over social media. What's it take to make these arguments die? I'm tired of repeating myself. So I'm making a series of short videos dealing with the PRATTs that we always see repeated every week from every creationist out there.
"You deny Zeus because you are too lazy to make sacrifices to him."
true.
zeus wants fire sacrifices.
and its sometimes hard to start a fire when you live in city.
"You deny Santa because you just want to be naughty!"
Atheists don't deny Santa because he exhorts us to "be good for goodness' sake".
holy shit... its exactly the same!!!
This is the best comment.
Magus Cute
+Nathan El
"Nope, any kind of god or intelligent design implies something the atheist absolutley abhors. That implication is that there is a moral standard"
I would argue that a deistic god would not, but I suppose that's not the kind you believe in.
And of course assuming we should base our morality on our origins is nonsensical. I believe morality should be geared towards doing the most good for the most people, and I do sincerely believe at least a good chunk of others all over the political spectrum have the same moral core as me, just with very different ideas about how to achieve that and what that even means. Even people who draw all their morality from what they think their god would want likely mostly believe that their god's orders are the best way to maximize human happiness.
I suppose what I'm saying is humans are social animals. We like healthy, strong societies because we can't cut it alone. This makes sense whatever our origin.
Thor promised to get rid of the ice giants. You don't see any ice giants do you?
That's a variation on the Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc fallacy.
Misquote, that should be Odin, not Thor.
Tell me more of this thor and where I can subscribe to his newsletter.
xAbominationx sure, the fee is $5k.
Fred Derf, not really. For it to be a post hoc fallacy, there would have had to be ice giants before he made the promise. That is my favorite fallacy, though, and is used a lot. To borrow from a great philosopher, my mother's friend had a headache, and then she rubbed a cat on her head, and the headache's gone. Concluding that the rubbing of the head cured the headache would be a post hoc fallacy example.
Christian: You choose not to believe because you want to sin!
Me: If I wanted to sin, I'd be a christian.
Sin is a Christian concept. It has no meaning to anyone else. Therefore, only Christians can sin. And sin they do.
You do know that Islam, Judaism, and most of the world's religions have developed the idea of sin, right? It'a far from being an exclusively Christian concept.
Judaism does not have the concept of sin (an act so horrible as to deserve an eternal punishment in hell). Islam took it from Christianity. And no, most of the world’s religions not only do not accept the concept of sin, they find that concept quite ridiculous and offensive.
RustyTube. - I believe a "sin" would be defined in the dictionary as ANY violation of the rules and regulations of a particular religion. The actual punishment is a different issue. A sin does not need to incur the most severe punishment of "eternity in hell" to still be classified as a sin and make the believer liable for less severe punishments. Of course Christianity is pretty extreme in imposing the most serious possible penalty (eternity in hell) to otherwise good people just for the "sin" of disbelief.
The sin the Christians accuse people of wanting as a reason for being an atheist is a specific theological concept. A dictionary has nothing to do with it. Especially an English language dictionary, as English words tend to have many more meanings than those of other languages (mostly because of the English tendency to shorten words to just one syllable, a problem most other languages do not have).
If you want to look at words, the early Christians in Rome used the Latin word _peccatum_ which, despite the claim of the Oxford Latin Desk Dictionary, had a different meaning than sin in classical Latin. It preserved the original meaning to its day in the modern Italian word _peccato_. When an Italian says _che peccato_, he/she is not saying _what a sin_ but something along the line of _what a pity_ or _what a shame_. I actually had the unpleasant experience of watching two dogs copulate on the lawn in “Downtown” Rome back when I was still a priest and a student at the Gregorian University, with a crowd of people watching and one Italian whispering, _“Che peccato!”_ It was at that moment I realized how, over the centuries, the Christian theological concept of _peccatum_ (sin) was drastically changed from the actual meaning of the word _peccatum_.
So, yes, the theological concept of sin is very uniquely Christian and has no meaning outside of Christianity. And so, only a Christian can sin, the rest of us just live.
RustyTube Judaism does have a concept of sin, just not a concept of eternal torment. They do have a concept of a punishment in the afterlife for sinning, though it is one year max, have a concept of an eternal death (without torture, though it's cold and dark), don't really have a concept of eternal life (until after their Messiah comes), and don't really have a concept of getting into Heaven itself.
Though Judaism doesn't focus on a supposed next life, and the focus is to be on this life.
So, if you sin, you die, though this hasn't been enforced since the building of the second temple of Solomon (which was destroyed just a hundred or so years later).
“The truth may set you free but first it might piss you off”
Best. Line. Ever.
"You just love sin" might be my favorite, so-called, argument for belief. I have never intentionally harmed another human being in my, fairly long, life. I don't lie, I don't cheat, and I don't steal. I was faithful to one woman for 31 years until her death and, despite a couple opportunities, I'm still faithful to her memory. I drink a little wine once in a while, which is good enough for even children in the Catholic church, but other than that one could call my life "monastic". And yet...?
Every so often I run into someone who claims I am doomed to Hell because I don't spend even a second worshiping their nonexistent imaginary friends. I laugh in their faces and move on to people who might actually have something interesting to say.
A lot of Christian "morality" is nothing but PRUDISM, which I think people can DO WITHOUT anyway.
Fellow widower here, sorry for your loss, 31 years is a long time. Yes, honor her memory, but dont force yourself to be alone because of it.
Even though sin and morality often overlap each other. you were describing mostly morality in your comment. which is still okay it still covers the bill. as for me I find that I have pretty high moral standards. and it's not because I practice morality I don't. it's because I have no life I don't go anywhere, I don't see anyone, or have any interaction with anyone. I don't lie, that's not to say I wouldn't tell a little white lie. if I might benefit from it and it wouldn't hurt anyone else. but I'm not a very good liar so I'm better off not to lie. and I'm not a thief I don't steal from anyone. I know the difference between right and wrong and I learned the golden rule and I'm pretty ethical. so I would say that my morality is as good or better than most any religious person's. so to that I offer up this challenge to them to see just who's morality is better. I'm willing to do a comparison to see just who's morality is better. and I wouldn't be surprised if it turned that I'm more moral than they are.
Yes, I love all the horrible sins. Like accepting Science, not giving my money to con men and being loved by someone who happens to also be a guy too.
I guess I am truly evil. Lol
"I dont lie" you lied right there.
you won`t get any bacon in the afterlife if you don`t believe in me
If I only believe in you can I get ALL the bacon? 'cuz that would be awesome....
How does this bacon belief work? What kinda robes do I gotta wear? Do funny hats count as ceremonial garb? Lol
Fun fact, jesus ate a BLT everyday for lunch.
i'm gonna be real with you, my lord.
i kinda don't care.
Nomadic Jesster bacon robes!
Saying I don't believe in God because I want to sin is like saying I don't believe in my gas tank because I don't want to pay for gas. It makes no sense, and is obviously a projection of faults which I will not share.
Caleb Tynes yeah, it’s the one argument I won’t get into with Christians. It makes zero sense
@Peter Ellacott no, just because we are here does not mean someone created us.
@Peter it seems like you haven't thought of it. you believe in magic - enough said, smoothbrain.
I'm your 101st like man. 👌👌Woohoo
@@synthdriver8817 read who you message, fucktârd. I'm an atheist.
Make America great again... put this guy in command.
It would be better than just great. It would be awesome. I might even consider moving there with Aron in command.
userwl2850 im a yuge Republican but id wouldn't mind him in office
userwl2850. You're overlooking all the fresh Hell that'll be created soon before and after
You know how much insanity will arise from people if a VERY open Atheist like Aaron tried to become president?
wich only would expose those unable to acept democracy and fact absed rality at work for the dictators they want to be ,then agen I guess a big chunk of the us armed forces is more or lees religious zealots so i suppose it be a nasty civil war.
Namoth. And all the other countries would be like
"Hey America saw its own reflection in the mirror again and thought it was someone else and is trying to beat it up"
A lot of Christian "morality" is nothing but PRUDISM, which I think people can DO WITHOUT anyway.
hold up your upset that people aren't more open specifically on sexual matters that's crazy you are literally the guy who doesn't believe in god because he wants to sin.
It's so easy to flip the argument around and say "you believe god 'cuz you just wanna oppress/discriminate."
How are Christians oppressing you, exactly?
Demanding unequal treatment with tax-exemption status, laws that comply with their religion and _only_ their religion, and regularly attempting to crush education in favor of indoctrination in the public and private school systems.
MegaChickenfish and now watch how hes going to deny all of what you said.
MegaChickenfish Also: spending the money of non-believers to prop up their religious institutions.
Oppression is an easy habit to slip into. I partly understand - it's a fear of taboos and the unknown.
I really want to shake Aron 's hand. Amazing person
Ted M same here
I dont want to show off but, I did shake his hand in london, he literally answered every question and any doubt left in anyones mind about atheism, ohh and when it came to religion he destroyed it, I swear he wiped all religion from the UK, we are all free people now.
This guy is a con. He's a fast talker and sounds confident but if you take his line of crap little at a time his so called truths and facts fall apart. He said in another video Jesus as a baby didn't come out of Egypt. But he's wrong again. Read Mathew and much , much more. I will have fun showing all his lies on God and what the bible really teaches. Now that I have found his videos. 😄😄😜💥 don't let this guy fool you he's not what you think.
@@astrixosth9030 he can only shut up people who don't know what Aron is saying or talking about. But I know what he says is wrong.
Yes! This! Actually, i would rather pick his brain, but i would settle for a handshake! He is brilliant.
Of course I want to sin!. I want to *not* go to your church, follow your rules about what I can eat, wear, who I can marry - even who I can talk to - and especially what I can believe. That's what sin is - anything YOU don't like.
Verruca MAY be the BEST response yet...
And if they disagree with that definition, point them to _all the other thousands of church denominations who consider different things sin._
@Dan C. I agree!
@@Michael_Howard59 this is not the love of Christ brother. Is this the way Jesus would say to people?
@TheNonArtistexcuse me yes they are. In Muslim countries and Atheist countries like North Korea you will be worship the leader. Christianity give free choice especially in western countries.
It's not Aron's fault people are idiots.
Only stupid people call people idiots.
@@brianpan6453 Only rarted people call people who call people idiots stupid.
I hate when people tell me this, Christians will say outlandish things like "how do you know right from wrong then??" I'm like GAAAAHHHHHH!!! 😑😤
Evolved morality. it's a thing.
How many Christians have personally posed that question to you in the last 12 months?
Brian Pan lol it's anytime the subject of morality is brought to the table, that question is irrelevant.
You act like I'm saying, "Christians are popping out of bushes questioning my morality!!" 😂😂 That's not what I said man.
Also not every Christian believes atheists lack morality, but a lot of them do. & The argument is annoying
It was a simple question. Since you can't speak or look at me, what basis do you have for knowing how I act? Why is the question, "How do you know right from wrong" outlandish? I believe you (and it's a much broader you than you alone) don't want to have a debate.
Brian Pan lol.. you're challenging me to a debate? I don't understand why, if you watch the video above it will be explained why that very argument is wrong.
Do you really want me to explain why you're wrong on a public platform?
This is the most common insult i get when people find out im an atheist..it's ment to shame you into submission. Im not sure why belief is some how threatened by non belief. That's a mark of insecurity...i knew this was going to be a great video as soon as i read the title. Good work Aron.
No, it isn't to shame you. It's to remind you of the truth.
What truth?
That you are not a soul less clump of space dust.
Yeah Marquees, ignore all that science that suggests the universe is larger than anything that we can imagine, its all about us, and Jesus!
So what if the universe's size is hard to grasp? This points to our awareness of eternity. Science is not possible without God, did you know that?
If embracing critical faculties and trusting the scientific method in detriment of miraculous attribution to supernatural agency is considered sin then yes, I just wanna sin.
Of course. Let's be selective on what we apply reason and logic, so people can believe in comforting nonsense on the grounds that very intelligent people can also hold unjustified beliefs.
Referring to the earlier of your two comments: What a powerful one-liner!
btw, referring to the second of your two comments: That ain't bad either. lol
Erick Lopes I've got to say from an agnostic point of view the idea of a creation in six thousand years is utter nonsense obviously but with the big bang the formation of the earth 4.5 billion years ago the fact that life made it here on Earth Despite All Odds Against it... I can't rule out idk.. something LOL
Erick Lopes That's not a sin, mr. self-congratulating. Also, if you were a critical thinker, you wouldn't put your faith in guys like AR. When it comes to history, philosophy, and theology, that man just makes you dumber
The White Injun- Really. Then state such an example of his history, philosophy, and theology in which he was wrong, or “dumb”, apparently.
Sin = not obeying rules foisted upon you by an outside, fictitious oppressor. Yeah, I just wanna sin.
religious people don't..and won't like the truth..They prefer to live in the fantasy world..It's more comfortable I suppose...
godless heathen nothing fails like prayer
Atheist for 2 months, and this past December it was so hard to get out of the fear of Hell. The last few night praying to God (who never answered them anyway), even though believing he wasn't there...but, WISHING he was. I stopped lying to myself short after. I have never felt so much at peace after leaving behind fairytale land. :-)
Kendall A: welcome to reality. I went through all that about 25 years ago. The fear of hell does wear off. I waited for a lightning bolt to strike me down for quite a while (as if I worshipped Thor, so silly) but stopped worrying about that and hell. Then I realized I no longer worried about shadows in the dark, and strange sounds, and things creeping into the house in the dark,...demons, poltergeists, you name it, ghosts--it ALL fell away. The chains of fear were cast off. I only worry about real things now, like North Korea and nuclear winter (which could possibly counteract global warming, so I'm not really all that worried about it.) No more false hopes and no more false fears! It's been good.
Welcome, welcome, welcome, and good luck to you. So glad for you!
Kendall A ..I never believed in god..so I can't imagine what you have gone through..But good for you for making up your own mind..
Kendall A all the best.
As a Christian, I would be scared out of my whits if someone told me that the only reason why they aren't murdering, raping, and stealing is their belief in god. Someone who is that close to the edge frightens me at the thought of what will happen if they are given a little nudge.
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@@aarongarza4892 What's your question?
I guess nowadays we're starting to see them get that nudge. And they seem all to willing to imitate the lemming in their devotion not to God, but to their godhead.
That is all humanity. There is no morality without Jesus Christ. According to this man, we are nothing more than a bunch of evolved animals. Random processes born to consume and enjoy. This world wants to strip the value that Jesus Christ says I have in Him and make me nothing more than an animal with a vocabulary.
@@hyperviper761 If you actually knew what an animal was, you'd realize humans are animals. No, being an animal does not mean you can live an amoral life, as that is not what Aronra is saying. No, evolution is not a random process. Go watch more of his videos to find out how you are mistaken. Or go take a high school biology class. Either would do.
To Mr. Aron Ra your speeches seminars and videos against the institute of religion has led me to realize I am also and apistivist as yourself. Your videos have helped me in dealing with the more aggressive religious individuals in my area of Alberta Canada I live in. Pls continue doing your enlightening and thought provoking work. Cheers from the Nomadic Jesster Alberta Canada.
*Apistevist
Thank you Trevor spelling isn’t always my forte.
nowShido Canada's bible belt starts here in southern Manitoba and goes through Saskatchewan to Alberta. Southern Manitoba is full of mennonite evangelicals, hence my last name, I am an agnostic atheist myself.
You know you can edit comments, right?
Figured gratitude and graceful acknowledgment would be better suited.
I'm reminded of the Christian Gospel of Matthew 25's tales of the three servants and the Lord, and the morale of the King's story, "Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do to me."
The biblical 'King' (Yahweh) is basically described throughout the texts as a sadistic A-hole who hypocritically dishes out disproportionate rewards and punishments to his subjects in an outrageous and fickle abuse of their omnipotent power.
Yes, that which an A-hole does to the least of my brothers, that A-hole does to me - its called empathy and a concern for the wellfare of my worldwide family in humanity.
What sort of depraved A-holes could worship an A-hole who would damn men, women and children to burn in agony for infinity years if they're are not convinced by a poorly supported 2000 year old legend? ...The statistics show time and again that they're the sort to have the shakiest of morals and a penchant for cruelty.
Skeptic Psychologist. Well said!
The Religous outlook of Christian's allow them to make Morally Reprehensible Decisions and be forgiven of their Trespasses, no matter how horrid the crime, and walk away Guilt Free, for all is Forgiven.
A lot of Christian "morality" is nothing but PRUDISM, which I think people can DO WITHOUT anyway.
I was shocked when a friend did this to me. I posted a meme about kangaroos and Noah's ark and he didn't bother to address it, he just made claims about my motivations for disbelieving. It was doubly offensive because when I was a believing Christian I politely listened to him natter on about chakras, dream meditations, higher conscious, and other dimensions and psychic abilities while excusing it all as just facets of his 'Christian' belief and not the belief in 'pagan' magic/pseudoscience add-on it was.
Bhoddisatva you should accuse him of being a sinner and practicing witchcraft, and watch him stutter.
I did point out that his beliefs weren't exactly Kosher Christianity and he retreated into 'Christians forgive bad behavior' territory. Then he stopped commenting and making strawmen when I objected further since he knew it was true.
Bhoddisatva to be fair, that's almost as good.
I always try to circle back around to that whole "forgiveness" thing when and if someone attacks me for being an Atheist. "If you believe in God and that God is good and forgives us all for being sinners (no mortal is perfect) then he'll forgive me for not believing in him, riiiight?"
The interesting thing is how the person will take it from there. Do they double down on their rhetoric and contradict the "loving God" notion or do they grumble and shuffle off, realizing that they're wrong about something?
Mask ; Christian is to small of word because of all the different types. This applies to the video, i was wanting some feed back to see if anyone can understand what i am getting at. You seem like a well rounded individual >Many people are confused on both sides. So many words have lost definition . Another example of the Tower of Babble. Babylon.
In your opinion what would have been a good way to teach ancient people right from wrong ? How does believing in God make us not want to sin ? One little thing that is interesting about sin *(concept of) is; without it we would not have knowledge of good or evil. Could that be the underlying meaning of the Garden story ? One fun illustration is, when you walk by a fence with a whole in it we would not pay much attention., right ? When we walked by the same fence hole and a sign said; "don't look in this whole", most would. Just a way to look at things and remember "it is not always whether a snake can talk but what it said that matters" . *Karla Barth 20 century German Theologian. Their are highly educated Christians. We like to pick on the fundies. Why ?
Yeah that statement “you just want to sin” is like claiming I deny leprechauns because I’m prejudice against tiny people. Yes. Sin is in the eye of the beholder just like religious text interpretations.
Steven, can you please use the acceptable term, extremely vertically challenged people?
I'd say it's like denying leprechauns because you are too lazy to go look for the gold at the end of the rainbow with people who know the truth.
wulfe Argent ha! Yes. Sorry. My bad!
No you want to sin, and pay of the preacher later
Congratulations! You proved you're an idiot speculator with no hard data or facts!
"If God exists outside our reality, then he does not exist in reality, if God is beyond time, then at no time does God exist" =jackpot, Patreon donation. Well said!
That is dumb reasoning! That's a 100% emotional statement. I don't usually comment on other people's comments. But this one was just too dopey to pass up. If you can't run with the big dogs you better stay on the porch! And hey don't bring an emotional argument to intellectual debate. I have an intellectual challenge for you if you're willing to take it. But I must warn you, your guru Ra (fake name) wasn't willing to. He tapped out like a little girl and is still hiding under his bed. 😂
If god is "beyond space and time," then he isn't anywhere, ever .. literally... in other words, that is an admission that gawd actually doesn't exist at all, and never did, and never will.
That's like saying the people who created your computer are inside of your computer working as you hit buttons. When actually, they are "outside" of it, but they can inject themselves, and know all that you have done.
When Christians claim moral authority from the Bible, I like to just ask them, "OK, which commandment is the one that says 'thou shalt not own or enslave another human being'"
TallBob1962 also how do they justify eating shrimp or wearing clothing of mixed fabrics
TallBob 1962: It seems that when God wrote the Bible. He didnt have all the information in front of him. He just didnt do his research. He didnt have all the facts. Maybe he will write part 2. He could call it " The Bible Part 2 " It could combine the Old testament with the new testament and the newer testament. This would surly answer alot of questions from all them pesky non believers. He could tie up all the loose ends found in todays world. And make them fit into todays scripture. Similar to making the 10 commandments into Exodus Gods and Kings. Same story just updated.
+TallBob1962 Good one!
tam hill There already is a "Bible part 2". It's the so called "New Testament" which was supposed to be an improvement on the original bible.
OK I meant that they should wright a part 3. My mistake.
Great video. Logic is like facts...facts are stubborn things. Gotta have a dose of Aron once in a while....great video. Can't stop saying it. Keep going Aron...every day you free another captive of religion. Thank you for the work you do.
Jeanette York How much did he pay you to say that? Also, "There are no facts, only interpretations" - Nietzsche
The White Injun ...my opinion is not for sale.
matt durbin Nobody cares about you’re imaginary sky daddy
A dose is correct. He is poison
Gary Vallone - wow you are creepy
AronRa, I would rather hear you, anytime, anysubject, than any religiotard out there. I wish you could be president. Damn, this place would be great again! Love and Peace
Khalilblue I meant our country would be great again. Drumf (his real name before granpa changed it), has reversed the regiulations stopping toxic dumping in rivers, ocean. Opted out of clean air, deregulated ivory and on and on. His every appointment are incompetents (like betsey devoss to education). He and his family are not patriotic, he just feeds his ego and they, his family and friends are all there just for money! Love and Peace
@@MostAmericansAreClueless1 I'm so sorry I never saw this comment, and never meant to ignore it. Though my family are about fourth generation, from Europe, I'm not unaware of the atrocities commited by my country. Though I believe there is no country, tribe, government, or whatever that are innocent of corruption and evil. When I said it would be great again, I was being sarcastic about drumfs campaign slogan. I think our country, like much of the world is evolving, we are behind a lot of the west, because of religion. But, no, this country was only 'great' for white men, for the most part. As I believe no human group is 'innocent', I also believe none is 'pure'. Our species is young, relatively, and all have migrated, mingled and moved. Thus, though we have culture, and superficial feature differences, we are all related, as DNA shows. As for our founders, some of them wanted slavery abolished, blacks given rights, and even women! Probably not equal, but at least human. But, the slave states economy required slaves, and to get them to agree to 'revolution' they had their way. And though columbus killed, and enslaved many native people, the US mostly just destroyed them and their way of life. But hopefully we can do better. So, I hope I answered to your satisfaction. Love and Peace
@Dan C. Yes C. I've read history books, though I don't claim to be 'well educated' as in a degree. Atheism has never truly been in power. Some dictators who happened to be atheists took advantage of a populace that had been steeped in religion. Communism, would have been a good thing, and don't forget jesus laid out the basics of it, had it not been corrupted by bad people. Any ideology can be that, I didn't in any way suggest that it couldn't. By religiotard, I was speaking of the religious extremists who keep trying to take over our country, government. I do apologize for the slur of the word religiotard, that was wrong and I try not to use it anymore, as most are victims. But out of the hundreds of thousands of governments that have existed, very few were atheist. Except now where Japan, most of europe/scandanavia are all about 90% atheist, and of course have the highest ratings in polls for happiness, health and income, lowest social ills,(poverty, crime, unwanted pregnancy). North Korea is not atheist, they worship, as divine, kim jung un, as they do his father and grandfather. They believe all to be the same person, it is a necrocracy. Hitler was a staunch roman catholic and 'doing his duty for god' , his soldiers were mostly lutheran, that is why they had 'god with us' on their belts. As for stalin, as I said, yes he happened to be atheist, as the Russians believed the czar was partly divine, but the ussr did allow the Russian or 'eastern' orthodoxy back into power, even before glastnost. As for china, again, they never declared 'atheism' as most were buddhist, which is more about reincarnation, no god needed. Now, as for the rest of the globe, Africa had numerous gods but is now, as is typical of being conquered, mostly muslim and christian, as is south america, pretty much everywhere else, including the middle east, Muslim and christian by conquest.The body count in religious wars is astronomical compared to any ideology. And, just because their religion is different from yours does not make it atheism which only means 'with out god', specifically, without a personal god, otherwise you could be adeist, 'no deity'. Our founding fathers, here in US, most were deists. They believed in a god, more like just a higher power. A lot of them, were actively anti-christian. They considered themselves of the 'enlightenment'. Actually closer to atheism! And I'll bet dollars to doughnuts you stopped reading this after the first paragraph, sorry I went so long. Good night and have a great life! 💓n✌
A lot of Christian "morality" is nothing but PRUDISM, which I think people can DO WITHOUT anyway.
When Christians tell me I don't believe in God because I just want to sin, I tell them they don't believe in Allah because they just want to eat pork. They just love bacon.
I've stopped believing over a decade ago but just got into watching these type of videos. I've been playing catch-up on AronRa and other Atheist archives. AronRa has become one of my favorites.
The other tired argument similar to this is we have "free will" and _choose_ not to believe their god claims.
I tell them if free will is real, then choose to believe my claim 'Bigfoot lives in my backyard'. I've yet to get any answer back.
Sin was invented so they could sell you the cure!
This is rare...a simple, logical and reasonable statement of fact.
Thank you for freeing me from lies
Considering that a large part of what has been defined as "sin" has been things that we are naturally wired to enjoy, and that this was the main reason many of them were declared sins in the first place, then yeah! I want to sin! Because you've deliberately defined sin so as to include things we naturally want to do. Why else would masturbation be considered a sin? Who does it harm? Yet virtually everyone has done it and most still do, at least occasionally.
What better thing could the early Christian church ask for? You 've got something that almost everybody does, yet unlike things like eating, breathing, urinating, and defecating, you won't die from not doing it. So you tell people that it's a SIN! That God commands that they not do it! You point out the fact that they don't have to and not doing it wont kill them, so then if they do it's because they're morally weak and it's a sign of their inherent wickedness and a failure on their part for which they need the absolution of the church in order to be clean again.
You invent a problem and sell them the cure.
A lot of Christian "morality" is nothing but PRUDISM, which I think people can DO WITHOUT anyway.
People who say "You deny God 'cuz you just wanna sin", accept God, so they can sin and ask forgiveness.
When I was a kid, I didn't wanna kiss the girls, 'cause they had "cooties".
Then one girl gave me a "cootie shot" which made it safe for us to make out under the bleachers.
Abracadabra! Let's play "doctor"!
Aron is my hero. I have a few other heros as well, but Aron is my favorite of them all. He taught me the meaning of epistemology and I am forever grateful for that.
I'm in the process of leaving the faith I was raised in. I've been in this process for years-it took a long, long time to admit I don't believe in God, and longer still to open up about it to close friends. I still haven't touched on the topic with my family, and there are some that I hope never find out (not because I'd be ashamed, but because, at this point, they aren't too long for this world, and it would crush them).
Anyway, I still find myself keeping the "rules." Partially out of habit, and sometimes in an adjusted way (instead of donating to the church I'll donate to different entities). It's silly, but for some stupid reason I feel obligated to keep following those rules so that I can "prove" that I'm being honest. That I'm not leaving my faith just to indulge in the world. Sometimes I think it's even to prove it to myself. The only things I don't really do anymore are attend church services and read scripture/pray. But it took a long, long time for those to stop.
And yet somehow, for some that know, I *still* deny god because I want to sin. Apparently those afternoons once a week and the few minutes before bed I've saved were enough to tempt me to throw away my immortal soul. That somehow oblivion after a short 100 years is more preferable to me than continued existence. I totally understand atheists who prefer our entirely mortal existence, but for what it's worth, it was *really* hard for me to admit that this is all I will ever experience, and that the family/friends I've lost will only ever be present as memories.
So yeah, it really sticks in my craw when people condescendingly handwave difficult honesty as mere excuse to break their rules.
side of jelly beans I remember the exact moment I realized that I had concluded I was an atheist, I remember thinking no hell and no heaven, and it was wonderful. I also remember an intense feeling of commonality with all humanity and felt a weight of hate and bigotry lifted from me. I was totally free of the mental shackles of religious dogma that had taught me to dispise and hate certain "others." I felt I had truly become a moral person at that point and I have never not felt that way since. Life means so much more to me now than it ever did before and not only just my life but all life, except for biting bugs. Still hate them. LOL
Were you the hater and bigot or was that directed at you by your church?
I just commented because of recent experiences where people learned I don't believe anymore, and asked (rather inappropriately) how I conduct myself in my personal life. I don't think it's intentional, and I think they're trying to make sense of why I pretty much gave up what I held onto for so long. Still, meaning well doesn't make it less annoying.
RhondaH, totally get that. There's a lot that does feel so much better-not having to deal with cognitive dissonance, for example. Simultaneously trying to be rational and honest with myself while simultaneously maintaining my belief was, obviously, untenable. I like being able to accept evidence without trying to have to re-interpret how I understood church doctrine (I always open to evidence evidence, which kept me jumping through hoops to somehow understand religion in a way that was compatible with it). And I like that we can be moral of our own power. And there is something about this life being temporary that makes it strangely precious. And life can mean whatever I make it out to mean. Oh, also, I now don't have to wonder why god gave kept giving me the cold shoulder every time I prayed. I was never bitter about it, it was just disappointing. Now it just seems funny, like being disappointed that a brick wall never responded to me would be funny.
Still, there are things that I miss-it wasn't really logical, I just had a feeling that in the grand scheme of things, someway, somehow, everyone who's suffered would somehow have it made up for them, that basically any good person (regardless of faith) would get a happy ending. It was a nice fairy tale, or at least parts were. Ridiculous of course, but that's how it was.
It is physically impossible to wish things into existence. It is logically impassible for something in the image of an evolved ape to exist prior to the evolution of apes and it is definitively impossible for a disembodied mind to exist absent the brain that created it because that’s what a mind is; the knowledge, notions and memories produced by a brain. If god exists outside our reality, then he does not exist IN reality. If god is beyond time then at no time does god exist.
~ AronRa
Beautiful. Thanks for all you do, Aron. Seriously.
I love watching this guy talk. Sometimes I listen to him talk in order to help me sleep. Other times, I really am engaged. His presence is just very assuring.
Best quote about truth ever here: *"The truth might set you free, but first, it might piss you off."*
On the news tonight was a story about a woman in Switzerland who kept hurting herself because she heard God telling her to. It turns out she has a brain tumour at the area where the voice turns what we head into actual sounds. She is incapable of distinguishing between her "spiritual" thoughts and reality. It's a lot more complex than that, but it's an "event" she's suffered for years. The tumour isn't cancerous, but it's a slow-growing one which every so often interferes with her thoughts until the brain adjusts. Makes one wonder...
Thumbs up for putting Pat Robinson next to Stalin
Heads Tails Same with Billy Graham.
His pathetic son and daughter as well.
We should also include Jerry Falwell and his son in that category!
It is so good to listen to a man who thinks logiclly.
“The fact that I might disagree with the idea of sin might be relevant to some _other_ discussion, but it’s not relevant to why I don’t believe.”
-Matt Dillahunty
Aaron Ra .... I love your awareness. Thank you for all of your research and well spoken videos. They have been of great help to me in my efforts to write a non-believers' truth-in-history book which I have been writing off on for almost 7 years! Thanks for all your devotion to "search and tell!"
Cheering for your channel and future uploads! Love this one!
Considering free thought and reasoning are sinful in the eyes of the Lord, in tbat instance, I DO want to sin. Freely and constantly. When it comes to killing, torture and illogic, I'll leave that to God. Those seem to be His domain.
2:19 just converted me from an atheist to an anti-theist. Thank you for all of your thoughtful arguments!
You are like "The Wind" Blowing this direction, Blowing that direction, Rock on Sir.
Aron Ra you the truth
Devon Broughton yeah he is
Except that he can't even account for truth, but hey who cares, right!?
Fjord Hassion Nope. Again.
He can and has.
"Truth is that which comports with reality" - Aron Ra
And how does he know what comports to reality? Physical matter in motion cannot "know" anything.
Fjord Hassion A: Testing and evidence. And you check your results with other people, just incase you made a mistake.
B: *"Physical matter in motion cannot "know" anything."* assertion. now provide evidence.
But, yes, it can, if that matter has a brain capable of thought.
C: Now you're asking a different question. You're not asking for an account of truth, you are asking how he knows that [X] IS truth. Moving the goalposts.
D: He doesn't need to know. All he needs to know is *HOW* to know. The actual knowing can be done later, or by another.
That's the thing, if I thought there was a god, I couldn't just pretend to not believe in him in order to sin. That wouldn't help on any level. Besides if there was the christian god he would know that I'm doing that intentionally, so I would still be responsible for the actions I take. It's almost like saying I don't believe in the police, so I can steal all I want. It is really just religious people grasping at straws. Trying to make Atheists feel guilty or threatened into believing.
A lot of Christian "morality" is nothing but PRUDISM, which I think people can DO WITHOUT anyway.
Very good point, in there. “The only unforgivable sin, is the sin of disbelief“. That really is true, according to Christianity. You can molest kids your entire lifetime, and then convert on your deathbed, and be forgiven. Or, you can commit your lifetime to Christianity, and disbelieve on your deathbed, and you’re doomed. Well, then you get into the rabbit hole of “once saved always saved“.
With Christianity, there’s so many varying beliefs, on sin, that one cannot pinpoint where the line is drawn, in which sin would condemn a person. It’s all made up anyways, but the logical fallacies are entertaining to ponder. But, the one that will condemn you, every time, is the “sin of disbelief“.
“Believe in me, or else!” As if we can fully control what we believe. I spent 30+ years, as a Christian, flirting with agnosticism, the entire time. I was in complete denial, of how I truly felt about the religion. I couldn’t take it any longer, and pretend to believe what I didn’t believe. I finally had to admit, I’m an atheist. It had nothing to do with a desire to “sin”. Lastly, I am a moral person, and I desire to see a more moral society. Imposing Christianity, or any religion, is not the answer.
Another great video, Aron. Thank you.
You said "I couldn't take it any longer, and PRETEND to believe WHAT I DIDN'T BELIEVE. (you were never really a Believer) God Himself is the one who
Gives someone the Gift of "Real" Believe or what is called FAITH
NO ONE can Muster it up on there OWN
even if they spent 30 YEARS trying.
You are living proof wouldn't you say ?
Be open to the possibility that maybe one day You will be touched By God himself,then and only then will your Faith be Active and you wont feel the need to "Fake it" (Keep Praying and seeking) Lord bless you.
@@rickarmstrong3849 Woah, 4 years ago I made that comment! Anyway, “You we’re never a believer”. Think about how stupid that argument really is. It is the default reply by every Christian to a former Christian. We call it the “no true Scotsman fallacy. Look it up. It’s well-debunked, and it’s a terrible and ignorant argument. Anyway, thanks for playing “God” and judging my heart, mind, and personal experience. I’m sure you know me better than myself. Good day.
This is one of those things from God's Not Dead that made me want to punch my monitor.
I live in Austin, Texas, and wow everyone is crazy. School teaches abstinence only, there are commonly large groups of people giving away Bibles, and I even see advertisements for "why genesis is true" in movie theaters.
If religious people only behave good because they fear punishment from God and hope for the reward of an eternity in heaven, then they are not genuinely moral.
Alongside Richard Dawkins you put forward some of the best arguments I’ve heard in favour of atheism......And for that I am grateful
What would REALLY PISS GOD OFF IS: If man stopped believing that God exists...so forget God. Yeah, that would piss him off really bad. He may JUST DO NOTHING and that is what I expect will happen. Nothing. No change. Ergo, no God ever existed.
Probably the best episode I have heard so far.
Absolutely spot on 👍
·Finishes watching video.
·Grabs popcorn.
·Reclines easy chair.
·Awaits pack of raving lunatic Christian apologists.
·Anticipates laughter.
Yep, I'm scrolling down the comment looking for that lunatic Heleno Henzo and his usual puerile crap.
John Petersen. Cleveland street preachers do it for me every time.
Theere has been two times I've stumped a believer by denying the existence of "sin". Somehow they could understand denying the existence of their God, but not denying the existence of sin. It was interesting watching them trying to wrap their minds abound that, apparently they never actually talked to an atheist that flat out denied the existence of sin (sin is breaking commandments of God, no God thus no sin, sounds simple).
Is it wrong? Yes. In a general sense to lie, steal, murder, rape etc is wrong.
Is it a sin? No.
Fjord Hassion Nope. Because 'sin' is not 'doing anything wrong.'
'Sin' is noun 1. an immoral act considered to be a transgression against *divine* law.
Sin cannot exist without 'god.'
And no one has yet demonstrated 'god.'
nice bait and switch.
Is it ever possible for a god botherer to argue honestly?
Fjord Hassion the typhical ignorant christian desperately trying to claim(whitout any proof as always) their imaginary god is the imaginary source of a morality achieved through social evolution and empathy.
And yes, your mom, dad and society are the ones who teach you what is right and wrong when you are a kid. thats why little kids and mentally ill people are not legaly prosecuted when they commit certain crimes, because they dont KNOW what is right and what is wrong. thats why some kids grow up to become criminals, because they are raised in ambients/societies where they see killing, etc as a normal/common thing, whitout any education. morality is learned, and you need a healthy brain for that, not an imaginary god.
Don't you just love how the cowards simply opt to delete their posts when they know they've been beaten? How honest these Christians are!
A lot of Christian "morality" is nothing but PRUDISM, which I think people can DO WITHOUT anyway.
Aron, you're the man. Thank you for all the work you do.
A very common theme in conversion stories is that the person felt guilty about something they'd done, so they accepted Jesus into their heart so that God would forgive them.
So they know. They know that people often use religion to feel better about themselves and avoid accountability for their actions. For me, that's enough to put this argument in the 'dishonest' category.
I, as an Atheist, follow the Golden Rule as commonly set forth by Buddha, "Treat others as you would like to be treated."
I did not want to believe that Bill Cosby was guilty of the vile acts he was accused of. First, I grew up in the 1970's watching Fat Albert. It was one of my favorite cartoons when I was a kid.
On top of that, I was raised by very strong anti-racism parents and they instilled that value into my sister and me.
I remember well my reaction when I found out that racism existed. The idea that one person could judge another based only on their skin was not only bizarre, it was stupid.
While my parents wanted me to be anti-racist, they could not prevent me from seeing it. I learned all the stereotypes and I thought them all stupid. After all, just look at Bill Cosby!
I felt such powerful disappointment that I really REALLY wanted those accusations to be groundless. But reality doesn't give a shit about what I want to believe.
In all honesty I *WANT* to believe in God, especially after my mother passed away. I grew up Mormon (Isn't Aron a "post-Mormon?) so I grew up believing that my family would be together forever, that we would still *BE* family in the afterlife. But after a careful and critical search for God's place in reality I think it clear that there IS no place for God.
If your faith conflicts with reality you must conclude that it is your faith that is wrong. To do otherwise is the hight of hubris. Put another way, if your faith conflicts with reality, how can you say reality is wrong?
I will never again hear one of my mother's jokes or taste her cooking. This to me is profoundly sad. I miss her, and the spot in my heart that she filled will be empty for the rest of my life. Oh how I wish to believe God is real!
Definitely do I understand this, my Mom passed away April 2016.
Awesome video again Aron. You are a credit to humanity.
I am as usual impressed by this presentation, but I am even more impressed by the thoughtful insights here in the comments section! I rarely see this level of quality responses on RUclips and I must say it is very refreshing and gives me hope!
Yall just wanna Sin 😈😈😈😈 hell yeah🙌🙌
Damn right I want to sin, i am drinking a beer right now. It tastes so so good to sin.
MrRedthief hail Satan 666
Sin is a religious construct. I believe in neither.
Hail satanic temple.
timothy Duffy
All hail our Lord Satan...at the Satanic Temple.
Though, actually, as an atheist, I don't believe in Satan, either. Now--SATIN, well, I believe in satin. I rather even LIKE satin. A little hard to sew with, but so smoooooooooooooooooooooth to wear...
RaMan you should run for president. You got my vote.
He's already making a run for governor in Texas, maybe if he does well we could see him in 2024? Anyways, I'd give him my vote too. Not a lot of great competition for the presidency these days. :(
nomobobby if he could increase his subscribers count to a few million then he would surely win.
No he was trying to run for state senate but passed it onto somebody else (dropped out of the race).
Even if he ran for president there is no way in hell he could win in this religious system (there is not a chance he would be put even on a Democratic ballet).
Death Angel: ALL of the political parties seem to nominate only stupid people any more. Seems like our leaders were smarter once upon a time, and our country seemed easier to live in (I mean, fewer deep worries) but that could just be the dementia.
Please explain how liberalism is dangerous. As it stands, I'm not convinced you know what the word even means. Here's your chance to give an explanation and qualify your argument so you're not so easily dismissed as now.
7:08 "Nothing pisses off god more than when people don't believe in him."
Reminded me of the opening Krueger rant from Freddy VS Jason.
My children...
from the very beginning...
it was the children
who gave me my power.
My reign of terror
was legendary.
The children
still feared me...
and their fear gave me the power
to invade their dreams.
And that's when the fun
really began!
Until they figured out
a way to forget about me...
to erase me completely!
Being dead wasn't a problem.
But being forgotten--
now, that's a bitch!
I can't come back
if nobody remembers me!
I can't come back
if nobody's afraid!
That is one very well put together arguement. I always considered myself and agnostic atheist, and have argued that no one can know for sure and that we are all agnostic, theists and atheists alike. The line about a god not being able to exist in a human form before humans evolved from apes has me questioning this position. Thanks.
In another age, Aron Ra, you would have been a priest.
Not because you believed in gawd, but because a man of your obvious intelligence would have realized that to publicly deny the existence of gawd would have been a death sentence.
You might well have ended up the high priest of whatever nonsense you were forced to proclaim as "TRUTH", simply because you have a gift for public speaking, and a manner that commands attention.
Ironic, isn't it?
At least we can publicly speak our minds, and the movement towards rationality has been growing because of that.
The only way that "Faith" wins over "Thought" is when "Faith" is backed by mindless violence towards those who deny "Faith".
"Thought" needs no such spur, only that people accept that they CAN think, without fear of violence.
I am grateful that I live in the age of "Thought", instead of the age of "faith", and I will continue to think, simply because of the sublime pleasure it gives me to do so.
Thank you for being a voice for rationality, Sir.
To be honest I do love to sin: eating shrimps, wearing mixed fabrics and beating up slaves.
Oh no, sorry. The latter is not a sin. Like working on sunday, by the way....
This is so brilliant, as always!
Fantastic construction this program has. OUTSTANDING
Sin is the big stick if you don't go for the carrot.
If all I wanted was to sin and get away with it, I not only wouldn't deny God's existence, I would accept it wholeheartedly. I would be a devout Christian, praising and praying and sinning all the while, knowing that Jesus would forgive everything I did. It should be the Christians, not the atheists, who run around raping and pillaging for the fun of it. Why be good when you can just be saved?
A lot of Christian "morality" is nothing but PRUDISM, which I think people can DO WITHOUT anyway.
I refuse to prove I exist. For proof denies Faith and without Faith I am Nothing.
Those words have been with me ever since I was a kid, and the whole time I was a Catholic.
another great video as always! Thanks and loving your systematic classification videos :)
I should post this on my stepmoms Facebook page. I caught her telling my very christian bosses wife that I am an atheist and all atheists KNOW god exists. I stepped in right then and there to defend myself and told her I didn't want my name associated with such a blatant lie.
You are not a soul less clump of physical matter in motion, Landon. Listen to your conscience.
Fjord Hassion show me the evidence, and no.. subjective good feelings are not evidence
The Christian's are partly right in my case. I do want to sin. I love to sin! That means I love not honoring their god. I refuse to honor my narcissistic, cruel father and mother. I love not honoring the sabbath and eating bacon and lobster sandwiches. I love sex (oh yes I sait it!) I support women's equal rights, and abortion. I am totally repulsed by religion. And I am much happier with myself than when I tried to understand Christianity!
You are full of pride and hatred, Leigh. There is no pleasure that is worth losing your eternal soul over.
+Fjord Hassion, writes _"There is no pleasure that is worth losing your eternal soul over."_
Please provide some good evidence for the existence of an "eternal soul".
Otherwise, shut up.
Fjord Hassion 😡 Instead of being such a pompous prat, try revealing just what a ‘soul’ actually is! Have you seen yours? Where might it be located? So far there have been precisely zero appearances of any such entity! Nonsense on stilts once again 😡
The word evidence presupposes the existence of objective truth, but materialism leads to subjective truth only, so when you (a materialist) demands evidence, you're unwittingly contradicting your own claims about reality. You have all the evidence you need, but you reject it because you want to do what you want, when you want, without submitting to God's will for your life.
So you're just a clump of physical matter? Then who should I say is typing your posts?
By that argument, people must believe in God just because they want to sin. If there was no god then there would be nothing to absolve you of your guilt.
The accusation that Atheists just want to sin is totally nonsensical. Sin is generally defined as actions which transgess the will of God...so basically what they're accusing us of is not believing in God so that we can take actions that transgress against the will of the thing we don't believe in. It doesn't make sense.
Aronra for president.
Pretty much the same conclusion that I came to. The existence of a god would defy the laws of physics. So unless any brave theist would like to demonstrate the contrary, and POSITIVE evidence of that deity would provide such a challenge, we can honestly say that God does not exist.
But since the believing in God requires FAITH, it's a pretty safe bet that no positive evidence will be forthcoming. And no, argument from ignorance doesn't count.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and thoughts with us. I can definitely see you views on this and agree with most of them as I have come to similar understanding noting some of the very same points you emphasis.
The way you construct your arguments is probably the best thing about watching your videos. I do wish that you would footnote links to charts and articles when the source is not apparent. Thank you for what you do. I've learned and continue to learn so much from your channel. Cheers!
I don't murder, I don't rape, I don't steal, I don't commit violent acts, I don't lie, I'm not an adulterer, I don't work on the sabbath...
Just what sins am I supposed to be wanting to do that make me want to deny god?
You're self-righteous. You've _never_ stolen anything? Even if it was small? You've never lied? Please. Jesus said if you look at someone with lust, you've committed adultery in your heart. You've never looked at someone with lust? Jesus said that if you hate someone, you are a murderer at heart.
So, sorry - but you very well have sinned. You want to do what you want, when you want, without submitting to God's will for your life.
I didn't say I NEVER stole. I just don't do it now.
Last time I stole something was when I was a believer, I haven't stolen anything since becoming an atheist.
Last time I got into a fight was when I was a believer, I haven't been violent since becoming an atheist.
My attitude change that made me refuse to lie came after I became an atheist.
I've never raped, but my attitude change that made me against any form of sexual violence came after I became an atheist.
I've never murdered, but my attitude towards when it's acceptable to take a life has change since becoming an atheist (It's now my less justifiable)
So my personal experience is that I've become LESS of a sinner since turning atheist.
There's no big daddy willing to forgive me anything I do. No feel good 'get out of jail free card'. Every single action I make stays with me forever and I have to live with that. And that has made me much more conscious of my actions and how they affect others.
Basing my actions on what is good for everyone, and not just myself, has made me a better person. Far far better person than living under a list of rules that includes treating others like crap, and still being forgiven and having zero consequences if I don't follow the rules.
Fjord Hassion A Christian accusing someone else of being self righteous? My irony meter just broke again.
That's because you don't know what 'self righteous' means. Christians know that they are _not_ righteous, and that only God is. Atheists, however, think "I'm good/moral *on my own"* -- that's self-righteous. Thinking that one's own goodness is the result of their own doing is the definition of self-righteousness. Now you know. God exists, Simon.
You can extol how you're "less of a sinner now" but it's not true. You still fail and you still sin every day, like every other human on planet earth.
Can you share what consequences you are taking upon yourself, that I am not? Who is being 'treated like crap,' exactly?
Y'all just want to sin! If you didnt want to sin you'd have an all powerful guy in the sky that would let you sin when you wanted, then forgive you for sinning anytime you wanted.......For instance yes its a sin to watch porn but its not a sin as long as you ask forgiveness for doing it..... So there is the Religious Logic topic for the week....
When I was attending church, my preacher told us that the Bereans "searched the scriptures daily to prove whether the things they heard were true." He then said that Christians should do the same, and that you should never, under any circumstances, let your preconceptions deny what you've learned. I cherished this notion and considered it right up there with "Thou shalt not lie". To me, it was a sin to deny facts I'd read in the Bible or anywhere else, because if it's fact, then it's true, and if it's true, then I should accept it without question because the Bible says "Buy the truth, and sell it not". Later in life, I began to waiver in my convictions because the truth is that the universe is 13.4 billion lightyears across, and since God cannot tell a lie, he didn't make a young universe appear old to deceive the wise. This realization led me to question the biblical account of creation, which is undeniably supposed to take a week. If that's not true, and if God is the author of the book (as the book itself claims), then it must mean that God was not truthful. This ran counter to the verse which says "it is impossible for God to tell a lie", and this led to a chain reaction where the entire Bible fell apart, and from there my entire faith system falling apart.
So, thanks preacher! You made me an atheist!
"If God is beyond time, then at no time God exists." Check-mate theists. :
If you really do believe then how would pretending not to believe make it okay to sin? This is such a nonsensical argument.
Calling atheism a belief is like calling not collecting stamps a hobby.
Before I tell a believer whether or not I believe in his or God I ask that believer to "define God." Many believers have never thought about this at all deeply
Every word of this is fuckin brilliant. I’d share it with my mom’s side of the family but who am I kidding, logic and reason will never change their minds.
You'll get so many dislikes from so-called agnostics for saying "there is no God"... I look forward to watching you discuss with one of these guys and maybe eventually help them get out of their closets.
Don't like ragging on agnostics, but most of them are basically copping out just so they can fake fit in.
Many agnostics avoid identifying as atheists because:
1. As Neil DeGrasse Tyson, they're educators who have to deal with all kinds of people and thus think they should avoid that label - because they know, by experience, that attributing the "a" word to you will lead people to see you as someone who should be avoided. People won't listen to you any longer. This is really bad for an educator.
2. They are not sure whether they're convinced. They sincerely don't know whether or not they believe in a god and may as well think that the plausibility of an actual deity existing is 50/50.
3. They still hold some emotional commitment to religious worldviews, maintained either by social coercion or selective scrutiny. May as well say that "both atheists and fundamentalists are equally stupid".
In any case, if you're not honestly convinced that an actual deity really exists, then you're atheist by definition.
In most cases, generally when God is presented as utterly absolute and simplistic (omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, human-like) you can be Gnostic and claim there is no God and quickly justify your claim by pointing out that the definition of God is a logical impossibility. One may as well say that such definitions are arrogant and an offense to our intelligence.
But there may be some logically coherent definitions of God that we can only go as far as saying we're 99% certain he isn't there - Is there a "there" for such beings to exist? I have yet to be presented to such definitions, if they still resemble a God in any way.
Interesting expansion on the topic! I'll take it as "its hard to not be brainwashed by unscientific BS so agnostics still hang in the zone between full Atheist and whatever a 'believer' is."
I agree that there is a significant stigma of the religtards against Atheists.
I forgot to add another reason. Many so-called agnostics miss the meaning of the word completely, to something like "One who withholds judgment on the matter of belief" when gnose is actually all about knowledge. Theism and atheism is about whether you believe it, Gnostic or agnostic is about whether you claim to know it. If you're a declared atheist, you probably know this.
Also they may fail to notice how a person can be gnostic/agnostic depending on the definition of god, and there are many definitions of this being, ranging from a magical sky daddy, through a transcendental orb of energy to the reverberation of interdimensional strings as in The Mathematical String Theory, by Michio Kaku.
Many proponents of theism deliberately embrace and dismiss such definitions at the same time, depending on the argument they're trying to make and the deity they want to believe, making an ambiguous pile of crescent bullshit to support their nonsense, so people can just swallow it all in, gradually.
Remember the book "God Particle"? Many theists actually argued that such particle supports their respective deities. They obviously didn't read the book, if they did, they would know it has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus.
It takes practice and hard work to deepthroat a load of shit like that.
I didn't know anything of this AronRa fellow till recently. Everytime his face appeared next to a video it's usually got something to do with religion so I had been ignoring them. I watched one a while back now where he and others were protesting outside some idiotic new 'church' of some sort. To me he looked just like another bible basher so I avoided his videos till that one. He was having a discussion with some youngish woman about religion and no matter what she threw at him he ALWAYS had the perfect answer straight off the top of his head, I was quite impressed with his obvious intellect and incredibly quick processing power. This guy is beginning to be my favourite atheist now. I just wonder a little how somebody could waste so much of their time studying everything in the bible, plus all the history, unless he maybe was a "believer" who woke up to the bullshit at some point. He's a very intelligent bloke, there's absolutely no doubt in my mind about that, and I like that he works so hard at countering the bullshit the established religions would still love to shove down our throats.
Keep up the great work you do Aron, it is of great value to human kind.
I've often been told by Religious Folk (mostly Christians) that "Sin" is the result of "Choice and Free Will" - Humans "Sin" because they "Freely Choose" To Sin. To which I ask, Do "Christians" Sin? The answer must be Yes they do! Do they "want" to sin? No(?).
Well then, How can "Sin" be of "Free Will" When People who aren't supposed sin ... sin anyway even when they don't want to? Hey ... maybe "Sin Happens"!
The truth may set you free, but first it may piss you off... I smell a t-shirt coming.