Great video as always brother. I always listen to your comparisons with my eyes closed with quality headphones. I didn't notice much difference in the video comparisons, the area I noticed was the first part of the Fury demo when it did the 360° pan amd the Trinnov was a little cleaner but sounded like it had far more speakers than the Anthem. The bass was the same amd maybe the Anthem was a touch deeper in one of the clips. After you mentioned the bubbles, I listened again with my eyes open and definitely noticed rhe bubbles. That taught me I should do a visual test after the blind test. The main differences came with the music. The second comparison of the Gentleman track was night and day, the clap sounds on the Trinnov had so much more depth and almost a ring to it that was nowhere to be heard with the Anthem. This track didn't have a ton of layers in it but you could hear things on Trinnov that were not there on the Anthem. The Jazz demo took it to another level, the sound was so much richer and detailed, over all, the biggest separation differences were in the higher frequencies. A comparison in classical music would separate these processors even further. I would love to hear the layers of an orchestra on the Trinnov. My conclusion is that of you primarily watch movies, you won't notice any difference as you are watching the movie and not focused on the sound, even then, unless you have $100k speakers, you won't be missing anything. If most of your listening was music, you will notice a difference, depending on genre. Classical and jazz will have the biggest improvements as well as layered EDM. Classic rock with certain groups with higher registers like Aerosmith or BeeGees you will have a richer sound. I am a movie guy and even if I had the budget, I wouldn't I would not uograde an AVM 90 to thr Trinnov as that extra $16k USD can be used to improve many other areas of a theater room first. That would probably have to be my last gear upgrade, but even then, there is always a better projector or MadVR that would give you a better upgrade. Thx for the great comparison. A thought I had, probably since I listen to the demos with my eyes closed for a more blind test, would adding a little test tone for a gear change affect the quality of your production? When there isba longer clip, it is sometimes hard to tell when there is a gear switch which sometimes has me peeking only to see no change has been made. Just a thought and probably only pertains to a handful of people
It seems to me that the Trinnov has better sound calibration that allowed it to control the bass. Even based on diagrams that's sort of what he stated up front. This would make a difference in music where you want a flatter response. I agree though not worth the 16k usd and you could flatten out the response other ways with the Anthem. Also that extra savings could do room treatment and better speakers. Those response curves looked horrid to me.
This is actually a VERY VERY EXCELLENT comparison. Normally audiophile enthusiast would not compare apple to orange but this demo gives us a better understand the differences between the two level of brands and sound quality vs. their perspective costs. Would be nice to see some high ends demo of Mcintosh like the MX170 or MX180. Thank you!
Great video man! I absolutely love my AVM90 and have no desire to jump up to the Trinnov. This is always a budget decision though… Can’t wait to see a review video of those new JTR subs!
@@SpecOfTech easily one of the best demos/comparisons I have seen. This alone will increase traffic. Maybe you can start doing shorts to increase exposure, even if RUclips doesn't monetize for copyright for movie clips, it will grow your base.
Thank you for your continues posting of those comparison videos. Such a shame nobody else is doing it, at least not at the scale you do. They are of great value (if not taken too literally for what one hears when listening to those comparisons). One of your vids was actually the final straw that pushed me over the edge to buy my current pre. and it was the only one where SQ differences are very obvious to hear for me (XMC-2 vs AVM 70). Rest of them seem to be much more difficult to discern (not impossible, but more difficult). I always listen to your comparisons on few systems I have at home and they sound different on each system :), leading quite often to different conclusions or no conclusions depending on the system in use). That of course highlights the obvious and why I said in the opening paragraph that the comparisons cannot be taken too literally as there are (too) many variables in the chain. To name a few: master volume and mic gain settings on your end -> scene selection -> mic -> YT compression -> playback system on viewer end. But even it makes hard to ultimately judge the sonic performance of the devices it certainly allows, to some extent, to judge some of the differences which can be heard on the recording. And now about the comparisons. About the ones I was mostly interested in. Maybe you can let me know what are your thoughts about the below: 1. For me XMC-2 is clearly superior vs AVM70 in your comparison. It is very easy to hear in your vid how much more spatial and low level resolution there is in XMC-2 vs AVM70, which sounds like "looking through murky glass" in comparison. XMC-2 vs AVM70 is the easiest differences to discern among all the different pairs compared IMHO. 2. In AV70 vs AVM90 vid you say that the difference is quite stark but it is not so clear to hear in the recording. Yes the difference can be heard but it is splitting hairs (don't get me wrong - I am not saying it is like that IRL, just what video depicts on my end with my systems). 3. Extrapolating from 1 and 2 it seems that XMC-2 has a potential to sound better than, or on similar level to AVM90 as the difference I can hear on the vids is much bigger between XMC-2 and AVM70 than AVM70 and AVM90 (and you also gave a sonic win to XMC-2 vs AVM70). 4. And finally Trinnov is mostly clearly better sounding for both cinema and music than AVM90 but again the difference is not as big as between XMC-2 and AVM70, although bigger than between 70 and 90 comparison (I am talking about recordings only not actual gear as this I would not dare to judge by only listening to YT videos as per previous explanation). Actually the difference between AVM70 and XMC-2 is so big on the recording that it makes me wonder if there was an error of procedure of some sort when recording AVM70 leading to botched recording? Trinnov has "much" deeper look into recordings. More finesse and subtleties are drawn out. It can be clearly heard, to me, on music reproduction where it's top end is sweet versus etched with AVM90, but of course, not only on music. Anyway I think the strongest point of T is its Optimizer system, which really allows to maximize (or totally break) how your room sounds :). But at this price point great base performance is a must and it seems that T is not disappointing. Still as it is only a PC there is so much left on the table if a dedicated well designed hardware could be used instead of run of the mill noisy PC components. Can you comment on my deductions, which were extrapolated from comparing your different comparisons. It would be very interesting if you could put a weight to it from perspective of a person who listened them live and say for example, this is about right or that did not sound like that IRL etc. Thanks
I have actually been wondering the same thing lately. I am considering comparing the Emotiva RMC-1 to my Anthem AVM90. I am not sure if you are aware, but I purchase or borrow most of the equipment I compare, most companies aren't will to work with me on review units just yet. It would be a pricey comparison, I just can't afford to keep buying equipment to compare, it is extremely hard on the pocket book. I do sell the equipment after my reviews and comparisons to help fund the next purchase, but even with that I lose money on each one. That money lost is not being replaced by the funds I make on YT, since I don't make enough ATM. With all that said, I have to be more careful with my purchases when they may be difficult to sell after, and Emotiva is a difficult sell because of their UI and firmware issues. I may be able to get my hands on an XMC-2 for comparison, but I would really like the Emotiva flagship to go against the Anthem Flagship. I suspect even the XMC-2 may sound as good, possibly slightly better, than the AVM90, but the AVM90 will win hands down in every other category.
@@SpecOfTech I have seen most of your content as it was released and caught up by now on most back log from before I knew about your channel. IMHO easily one of the best, if not the best HT gear centric channel out there. From your vids I know how you organize your gear for reviews, which is very impressive. I am sure that, what I am going to write next has crossed your mind on more then few occasion ;), and I really don't want to write it, as I am really enjoying the unique work you are doing with comparisons. I would imagine that if brands would start sending you gear for reviews they would never let you do head to head like this with sound demos. Those comparisons are very powerful and lay things bare for potential customers out there to see how things are, while otherwise they can hide behind their marketing talk and who really have opportunity to do much demoing not to mention head to head comparisons before buying? Those are not exactly cheap things as you know best yourself. I would not be surprised if those comparisons is something that might be stopping brands from wanting to send you their gear... hopefully not! Please don't change the formula! :D To give you simple example how powerful your comparisons are. I was considering XMC-2 for a very long time. My finger hovered over buy button at least 3-4 times in recent 2 years time. I was interested in it, because I read about it's high sound quality but I also knew about it's legendary bugs and as I had no chance to hear it in my system or anywhere else for that matter I always decided against it fearing the bugs. In one of those situations I decided in favor of CX-A5200. It was the comfortable choice. I knew it will not be as good sounding but I did not know by how much XMC-2 could be better and for that unknown factor I was not willing to risk the potential bugs coming with it. In the end it was your XMC-2 vs AMV70 comparison after watching which I knew straight away that I am getting XMC-2. I could hear the SQ difference is real and as I am used to comparing ton of stereo gear in real life in my room your video told me all that I needed to know as to what kind of potential to sound better XMC-2 actually has. And I was not mistaken and your video was of invaluable help :). So thank you for that. On the other hand, without it, I would not buy any Emo pre. I would probably try to get HTP-1 or Trinnov down the line (which will probably still happen eventually but I am not in rush now as I know I have great sounding Pre (by listening to it)). To finish this part of reply - I am in EU but if I would live in Canada I would definitely be sending you my XMC-2 or CX-A5200 or both if would like for extended testing and comparisons. Not really a feasible option to do it from here. About the other part of your message - apparently nobody, including Emotiva themselves, as I believe stated by their staff on Emo forum, can tell any sonic difference at all between XMC-2 and their higher ranked RMC series. Apparently that is because of the only difference being, other than channel count, is that for RMC series all channels have two DAC chips per channel vs only LCR on XMC-2. All XMC-2 and RMC channels are fully balanced anyway. I might be mistaken if it is really two chips per channel or is it some other trickery but that how it is done in high quality stereo systems so probably here is the same. And apparently that makes no real difference, as all are balanced but some in a bit more audiophile way but for channels, for which let's face it, it is harder to notice the ultimate fidelity, especially when differences between internal audio signal path topology are so minute (XMC vs RMC). To sum up - all interested say they sound exactly the same, including people who compared them. Maybe your tests would prove different but until then I am happy to think it is the case and from what you are saying, that should make your comparison of Emo vs AVM90 a bit easier (and a lot cheaper) to organize :). And to finish off this ever longer reply. XMC-2 is a beast but in all of its aspects, good and bad. It sounds great but OMG the bugs are real :D. So yes I agree with what you have said about it vs AVM90. My Yamaha just works, each day and every day. XMC-2 is a constant anxiety inducing struggle... don't get me wrong, it works but you never know what kind of gremlin will jump at you randomly next :). Saying this, they hired some HDMI programming magician and are working on releasing new Firmware with his input in it and as ever with Emo processors, there is a hope it will all get resolved and fully stable. Until then you either agree to be a beta tester or just don't buy their processor as you will almost certainly sooner or later run into some odd behaviors or bugs. For most there are workarounds - but that is the problem, you don't want to have to do some steps to get it working you just want it to work... still the sounds quality is very good and those are priced extremely competitively and they offer cheap upgrade plans to new gen when it is released in 1-2 years. For a about 1k USD your current gen will be replaced with brand new equivalent from new line-up when it goes live. That is impressive if you are prepared to live with, what seems to be, never ending beta testing part... Comparison chart of different Emo processors: emotivalounge.proboards.com/attachment/download/35791 And the most important. Thank you for your honest reply!
Great review and was on my mind as fair as future upgrade path goes. Decided to buy the Anthem MRX1140 instead of Denon. Will be upgrading from 7.2 yamaha, so noticeable jump. And seperates are are dream for now. Cheers
Really great you went through the trouble of borrowing a Trinnov Altitude to make this video. I'm with you on it's price being out of range for me. I'll probably end up replacing my Marantz AV7702mkii with an Anthem AVM70 as even the 90 is a little steep for me.
Hey Bear! Great Video as always. I see you still have the Sonus Farber Sonetto's. I would love to see a Comparison shoot out between these three, Arendal 1723 THX and the Martin Logan Motion XT F200. I heard the Martain Logan in North Carolina at the Audio advice Expo and they were amazing, Your Thought's between the three, Thank you as always.
I think people who buy Trinnov is not just 4 sound improvement but all the flexibility it has to offer. For just sound quality the price doesn't justify the cost difference. I would go with the maestro x9 or lyngdorf mp-60
Great video! Must have been a lot of work to set up and compare the systems but really appreciated on this end. Digging the comparison product concept 👍
Great video. Did you use the fancy Trinnov mic for its measurements? How about their speaker mapping technology and all of their other knobs and features? I'm assuming that stuff has to put it far ahead of the Anthem?
Have you seen the difference in response with EQ on both processors on the subwoofers? What will there be up to 20 Khz? This comparison is not objective or rigorous. written with translator Greetings
Thank you for the amazing work. I heard that the VTV Purifi class D amplifier can increase the detail retrieval for the speakers. If possible, do you mind pairing the amp with Anthem AVM 90 to see if the detail retrieval is improved to the extent of hearing those water bubbles you otherwise could not with AVM 90 when it's heard with Trinnov. Trying to see if the pairing can make a difference and bring it closer to Trinnov in terms of detail retrieval.
I’m about to sit and watch and I’m scratching my head. Cause this can’t be expected to be a fair competition. I’m an Anthem owner and while it’s maybe step or two above the ‘mainstreamer’ variants, I myself have never held it in a ‘Juggernaut’ / end game category. I’ve reserved that label to offerings from Trinnov, Storm, And a few niche types? So even before I hit, play I’m going in with some biases hehe
Does the Anthem have PEQ ability or do active crossovers? The Trinnov can time align 10 time more precisely, has the ability to have a complex excursion curve, 3d room measurement etc. The Trinnov has measurement settings for the mic, did you use the correct ones, such as start frequency, crest factor, threshold of response. What did you use for resolution of response?
Ok so I asked you a question about 7 months ago which has now lead to a 2nd if you don't mind. What were you using to Power everything Amp wise??? Would keeping my pair of Anthem MCA 525's and upgrading to the Trinnov Alt 16 or 32 Processor cause a noticeable/Better difference??? Thanks
Trinnov has fantastic sound processing software. I'm sure you would hear a difference upgrading to the Trinnov. Their 3D sound placement is second to none.
I like the red and blue light to distinguish each device.. But each color sets such a different mood, I feel like it changes my bias to naturally expect that the red demo is warmer and the blue demo is cooler and more spacious. And that is what I that is what we all heard anyway.. And I'm pretty good at keeping my bias' in line, but we're all only human. Great review! But you're kind of an a**hole for showing me how badly I want a $30k thing that I just don't need :)
Great comparison video. I agree with your assessment 100%. The Trinnov simply reveals more details within the music or movie...just can't afford it. By the way, love the look of your speakers. Are they Paradigm? I have Studio 100's, CC-690 ,40's and ADPs for my base layer. If those are Paradigms, what series are you using all around for your base layer? Thanks.
I don't foresee there being any major cons to that pairing, because you can always EQ the sound to taste. But, if you are using speakers that lean towards the cooler side of neutral, then you could find things leaning to the bright side with that pairing. The Anthem products are known to be on the cooler side of neutral, class D amps are also known to lean to the cooler side of neutral. Pairing that with speakers that lean on the cooler side may not be the best combination, unless you are familiar with using ARC to adjust for that.
Thank you for doing this Review. I was in the same park but I believe you reached the point of diminishing returns with the Trinnov. However, there is a Pre-Amp that is up there with the Trinnov, Has a few things better than the Trinnov and costs ALOT less than the Trinnov that I went with. I couldn't be happier :) Can you guess what it is?
hmmmm...tough to say really. It would depends on what "things" you would consider as "better" than the Trinnov lol. I could venture a guess of Storm Audio, but I wouldn't consider them to be "A LOT" less than Trinnov, depending on the models we are referencing. Long story short lol, I guess Storm Audio.
What i can tell from youtube compression, Trinnov for movies hands down but i prefer the sounds coming out of the AVM90 for music listening. I would love to hear the shootout between the Marantz AV10 vs the AVM90.
Did Marantz step up the dac game or what? Why are they so expensive now? If I had 7k to spend I'd buy a used Marantz 7705 for the legacy inputs and probably an emotiva with the new prices they have. Maybe even have a grand or 2 left for an amp. If I had to choose one though I would probably go avm90. It seems like a very complete high end product for the price.
Have you seen the difference in response with EQ on both processors on the subwoofers? What will there be up to 20 Khz? This comparison is not objective or rigorous. written with translator Greetings
@Novilicious no. I already have 2 8-channel amps. The amp10 is definitely an interesting piece, and I'd love to hear it, but I build my own amps using the same modules that marantz puts in the PM10, which have more power, and less distortion, than the modules in the amp10
@@Cblan1224 Its been a few months since, I believe you received your AV10. How do you like it? What were you upgrading from if you had a previous processor? I wonder if anyone here has done a comparison between the AV10 and the AVM 90.
Great review mate and you are correct in the movie scenes the trinov was more detailed, but for music the Anthem sounds better. It had more bottom end and sounds fuller.
Finally, a difference I can hear. The layering from the Trinnov is much superior to the Anthem...and I'm an Anthem fan (D2v). More 3-dimensional with deeper imaging, even with stereo content. I can now rest in knowing that the Trinnov price is justified. Anthem is the best processor under $10K, in my opinion.
I am myself a Trinnov owner since the altitude32 was first released. In order to understand the comparison better, I am curious on the room calibration. Since the default calibration is basically a flat line, the result is pretty bad with to much treble and to little bas. If I understand it correctly you hade the optimizer enabled but with default/unaltered roomcurve? I do believe that the Trinnov is more of a software company and that is were their strength lies, but it is super interesting to understand how good the anthem stacks up against the Trinnov from a true audiophile perspective. Did you do any comparison using "unprocessed" (or only correcting the bas region) audio the evaluate the DAC/Preamp section?
I did not have the time to play with all the intricacies. I had the unit for a limited amount of time. The calibrations used were there baseline calibrations, this is the only way to keep things fair and unbiased. Of course you can customize the sound of each processor, but then that introduces new ways for it not to be fair. You can adjust many different factors of each unit, but how do you do that while keeping it fair? If you want more bass, you can get that from each unit, if you want a calibration curtain, you can do that with both as well. I would say the software is the strongest attribute of the much more expensive Trinnov, as both units have world class hardware.
@@SpecOfTech It would be intresting to compare them without room optimizer as that would be easier to understand core performance. And as next step it would be to add the calibration as that is almost an artform with lots subjective and objective decissions that needs to be made etc.
Honestly, the Trinnov would be the best option because with the cal mic it can adjust the speakers location virtually to help get you the best response even without proper speaker placement. It can tell if your speakers are not optimally placed and adjust that in the software virtually.
I just have to say it - Is there really much validity to the comparison, when the room isn't properly treated, and you're not feeding bi or tri-amped powered speakers / studio monitors? You'd get a MUCH more noticeable improvement by just doing that - at an absolute fraction of the whopping cost!
Trin 32….. easy. can’t even make the justification for it. 😂 I don’t have the space or the hardware for it. I would need some killer speakers l, and a lot of them before I would look at that. Probably be the last thing I would get. Crazy the 2.1 is an upgrade at that price. Old tech at this point should be included
Awesome video! The new mic is much better. IMO, Trinnov is the holy grail of HT processors. For systems that are 11 ch, and around there, the Trinnov is a massive overkill. If you have 17, or 21 or even more ch then the Trinnov makes sense for sure. That is a big ass home theater! Great comparison, and I agree with your thoughts on the value.
Totally false. Whether you have 5.1.2, 7.1.4 or 16 channels, the Trinnov is leaps and bounds better than these boutique processors. That’s like saying the Anthem is useless if you are using the same number of channels 5.1.2 etc. the Altitude 16 (now 20 via software upgrade) is easily the most future proofed processor out there. Huge difference between software based vs “cheapest chips” which eventually are outdated and running “some form” of the actual codec e.g. Dolby, DTSX, Auro.
Interesting video mate... Personally I don't think it's quite a fair comparison (not that your video idea is bad!) just that possibly something like a Storm would be closer. For the money, Anthem is hands down the best in class for it's pricepoint and if I didn't pursue owning a Trinnov as hard as I did to the point of obsession, Anthem would have been my next choice. There is so much to what a Trinnov can do, especially in non-perfect rooms, and the level of calibration options is very extensive... phase, impulse, plus access to excursion curve control etc... to me.. it was the end game hardware I knew I needed for my room. Good video mate - glad I finally got around to watching it since coming back from the Trinnov room at ISE :D
lol Oh yeah, vastly unfair, so much so I had to make sure to make that clear in the video. This comparison was more for fun, and to help answer some questions in the community, because there were quite a few asking this question online. The Trinnov is such an amazing piece of kit, I can see why that was your goal for so long. I'm glad you were able to achieve it. I would love to hear your room, or at least a room like it, with Trinnov and Krix equipment. Although, I have a feeling I would want some upgrades coming out of it. Your space is just impressive, amazing looks, and no doubt, amazing sound. As always, thanks for watching brother.
I would love to do that comparison, I am hoping to get my hands on an AV10. So far it's looking like I would have to buy a unit if I want to review it, and that is just too expensive for me to do unfortunately.
I have a trinnov altitude 16 wich is haf the price of altitude 32 it sound the satly you could look at the cheaper option and upgrade from anthem avm90 to trinnov altitude 16 instead.
And 2nd hand Alt16 tend to go for around 10-11k euro / USD :), which make them very much in ball park of new AVM90. Until in few years there are some low priced AVM90 on the market I see 2nd hand Alt16 as the only option to upgrade to for myself (or maybe a HTP-1 but that would be a side-step for me more than a upgrade).
I have the Altitude 16 on my dream wish list. The 32 is all but a pipe dream to me. I could however make a realistic goal of buying an TA16 within two years like Tony build montage aspired and did.
So they both sound great. Another option is to get something like a Denon 6700, put it in your rack and 99.999 percent of people won’t be able to tell the difference. Great video though , keep it up!
Yeah they both do sound fantastic, but there are some noticeable differences. You're right the general public won't be able to tell the difference, but I sure would lol. My system is about my enjoyment, it's a selfish hobby.
We didn't do a lot of comparison on the music side, but we did do some. With the calibrations, I found the Trinnov a little more neutral. The Trinnov is able to bring out the subtle nuances better, so I personally preferred it over the AVM90. That being said, the AVM90 is absolutely amazing for music, it's one of its clear strengths. Considering it is 4 times less $$ than the Trinnov, the AVM90 performs well over its price point for music.
@@demonreturns4336 I had to return it. Due to me having a YT channel and needing to test other equipment like amplifiers and speakers, I need something reliable. The Emotiva still has too many bugs IMO to be considered reliable enough to be used for a reviewer.
I'm listening to a cheap 200$ Samsung phone with a pair of kz pros. So I'm not nearly the clarity of some of the other viewers on your channel but it seemed to me like the anthem has more bass impact and like you im a big bass head that's what set these 2 processors apart. It was hard to tell much difference in the 2 but I imagine without the "bloated" bass you were hearing more details in the trinov. I'm sure with some adjustments you could've dialed that trinov in perfect. But it was hard to understand what I was listening to through the binoral mic. I'm sure it sounded great in room but unfortunately it didn't transfer through my cheap setup. It was a good video. I liked the lights in your room. They looked like lightsabers above your speakers which is a pretty cool effect for a movie room. Last time I saw you, you had legacy speakers it looks like you switched to sonas Faber. Both great speakers. Personally I would've gone with sonas Faber they've always one of favorite speakers to listen to. Thanks for the video. It was fun
Great video! I would love to see a comparison between the AVM90 and the new Marantz AV10. Especially for 2 channel/music performance. The AV10 has a few small features I would like but not at the expense of sound quality
I have not heard the AV10, so maybe they have made some vast improvements on sound quality. But, given my past experience with Marantz, and from what I have read, I would expect the Anthem to be clearer and cleaner with less warmth (coloration). Take that with a grain of salt, since it is only based on my assumption with no real information from the AV10 itself.
@@SpecOfTech i totally agree with you from what heard also,plus i have the denonx8500h, and i regret buying it..can't wsit for my avm90. Im getting closer to making that move...already got the amps...great video as always.
Is it using some form of compression to bring up the lower volume details? DACs, etc. are weird… Enabling dynamic volume in by SR8015 bring out a lot of lower volume details.
Interesting comparison I understand the Altitude was on loan but the Altitude 16 would have been a much more viable comparison in terms of dollars and channel processing. I am not sure how anyone can hear a difference playing this through RUclips compression and what is probably through iPad speakers or something of the like. I had the AVM70, Rotel, and Arcam AV40, I chose to go with Trinnov after not experiencing any real differences over my Marantz SR8015 receiver. The Trinnov altitude 16 is not 4 times the cost of the avm90, and the VAST MAJORITY of people will not need the Altitude 32 other than double the channels and 96-192khz higher res decoding for music its not worth it. The demo that shook me was watching A Quiet Place on Kaleidescape, I had the AVM70 still and the Trinnov altitude 16, NIGHT and DAY difference, I agree with your comment about hearing every little ambient sound clear and in it’s precise direction (thanks to their incredible remapping tech). Another incredible “feature” people don’t speak about much is the customer service you get, I remember calling up Rotel for issues with their new HT processor and taking weeks to get back to (eventual return), that being said, Trinnov Techs respond almost immediately and connect to your unit remote to install updates, correct issues and guide you through any issues or settings you don’t understand. - I’ve never worked with Anthem support so I cannot comment.
Anthem sounds warmer with music Trinnov sounds cold in music. But in movies the Trinnov sounded better than the Anthem the Anthem sounded like it was in a hallway where the Trinnov sounded forward and clear separation.
But in all honesty I don't see a justification in such a high price for the Trinnov unless your a commercial user. But my pockets aren't anywhere near deep enough for that kind of equipment so hats off to those can afford it.
I prob have no idea what I'm saying but I picked up another 3800h today and I seemed to have did what I wanted in auro3D, which is 5.1.6 to 7.1.8. But who knows I have no idea what I'm doing. Just plugged the output of one to the input of the 2nd, messed around in video option to turn monitor 1/2 to activate and I got sound, I already had picture. Then I go to to the speakers plug them in and it works, also the info button shows the channels active as intended. But again I'm prob looking at something wrong. The remote works for both. I can get a 16th channel using the vog of the 2nd avr and 8 subs.
Mike, dropping the tough question lol. For me personally, I think the CAP2400 is the better value. You get peak performance to cost ratio out of those 3 choices. That said, despite it being designed very well, if you push the ported 2400 you will still hear port noise. The RS1 and RS2 will never experience that, so you get ONLY bass even at loud excessive bass levels. If you have the budget for the RS2's get them, if you want to save some denaro, but still get similar low end performance to the RS2, get the CAP2400's.
@@SpecOfTech it will be Sub upgrade time soon. You know I’m waiting on an XR13 review. My setup is in our main room so I’m not sure if the size of the RS2 will be a deal breaker. I also don’t know how a single 13” driver can match the RS2’s output - and they will be at similar price points I believe. The RS1 isn’t that much cheaper so it’s hard for me not to justify going the RS2 route. Thanks for your thoughts 👊
@@SpecOfTech LOL! I was just kidding but I would Love to have that 90 but that’s out of my price range! I bought my 70 before they sent them with the 2.1 upgrade and now they want $500. I feel they should give people who have already purchased the 70/90 a break and only charge $250. $500 to me is too much just for a 2.1 board and you have to send it in or take it to a shop.
@@sebna No,you have to send it in to Anthem or take it to an authorized dealer to have it installed. They will not allow the customer to self-install. So if you don’t have a nearby dealer you will have to box it and ship and Pray it doesn’t get damaged along the way!
I’m holding out for Dolby extended environment (dee) only found in the new maranthem 64 channel processor. It has 64 channels of processing available so you can run extended environmental sounds in each and every room of your house, including outside. Helicopters flying overhead and dinosaurs walking by will be a whole new experience…one that even your neighbors can enjoy!! Dolby extended environment! Coming soon!!
Anthem CLEARLY has better bass and overall more impressive sound than Trinnov, sorry Trinnov fans truth hurts. Also Binaural sound demos sound fabulous. Feel free to disagree but I think Anthem overall while maybe having a touch less extreme detail sounds more coherent and has better bass by far than Trinnov at least here. Just my 2 cents.
@@SpecOfTechhow are you today My request is if you can make Maratz AV10 VS Anthem AV M90 will be highly appreciated Torry from east Africa Uganda. I truly love your videos thanks you for the time & efforts 🙏
@@Fluterra Pretty hard to have an Xbox that is INSIDE an enclosed rack, blow air outside the rack. My rack is designed to create a chimney effect. It sucks in cool air from the bottom and fans blow the warm air created by all the equipment in the rack out the top. This includes the warm air created by the Xbox, but thanks for the concern.
Is it me or the surround sound more detail with the Trinnov? Maybe we should have done the face-off initially without room correction? Spec you do the best videos. How many channels are using the Tonewinner Class A amplifiers?
Excellent work. Ive been trying to find out how Anthem and ARC calibration sound and you just delivered it. Thanks
Great video as always brother. I always listen to your comparisons with my eyes closed with quality headphones. I didn't notice much difference in the video comparisons, the area I noticed was the first part of the Fury demo when it did the 360° pan amd the Trinnov was a little cleaner but sounded like it had far more speakers than the Anthem. The bass was the same amd maybe the Anthem was a touch deeper in one of the clips. After you mentioned the bubbles, I listened again with my eyes open and definitely noticed rhe bubbles. That taught me I should do a visual test after the blind test.
The main differences came with the music. The second comparison of the Gentleman track was night and day, the clap sounds on the Trinnov had so much more depth and almost a ring to it that was nowhere to be heard with the Anthem. This track didn't have a ton of layers in it but you could hear things on Trinnov that were not there on the Anthem. The Jazz demo took it to another level, the sound was so much richer and detailed, over all, the biggest separation differences were in the higher frequencies. A comparison in classical music would separate these processors even further. I would love to hear the layers of an orchestra on the Trinnov.
My conclusion is that of you primarily watch movies, you won't notice any difference as you are watching the movie and not focused on the sound, even then, unless you have $100k speakers, you won't be missing anything.
If most of your listening was music, you will notice a difference, depending on genre. Classical and jazz will have the biggest improvements as well as layered EDM. Classic rock with certain groups with higher registers like Aerosmith or BeeGees you will have a richer sound.
I am a movie guy and even if I had the budget, I wouldn't I would not uograde an AVM 90 to thr Trinnov as that extra $16k USD can be used to improve many other areas of a theater room first. That would probably have to be my last gear upgrade, but even then, there is always a better projector or MadVR that would give you a better upgrade.
Thx for the great comparison. A thought I had, probably since I listen to the demos with my eyes closed for a more blind test, would adding a little test tone for a gear change affect the quality of your production? When there isba longer clip, it is sometimes hard to tell when there is a gear switch which sometimes has me peeking only to see no change has been made. Just a thought and probably only pertains to a handful of people
It seems to me that the Trinnov has better sound calibration that allowed it to control the bass. Even based on diagrams that's sort of what he stated up front. This would make a difference in music where you want a flatter response. I agree though not worth the 16k usd and you could flatten out the response other ways with the Anthem. Also that extra savings could do room treatment and better speakers. Those response curves looked horrid to me.
Great video. Would love to hear more comparisons. Both units sounded 👌
This deserves a thumbs up from every viewer!
haha thanks Scott, if only it were that easy!
This is actually a VERY VERY EXCELLENT comparison. Normally audiophile enthusiast would not compare apple to orange but this demo gives us a better understand the differences between the two level of brands and sound quality vs. their perspective costs. Would be nice to see some high ends demo of Mcintosh like the MX170 or MX180. Thank you!
Great demo. I agree with your synopsis. 👍🏾
Thank you.
Great video man! I absolutely love my AVM90 and have no desire to jump up to the Trinnov. This is always a budget decision though…
Can’t wait to see a review video of those new JTR subs!
The AVM90 is an amazing processor. I hope to work on the JTR review in the next few weeks. These things are beasts though.
@@SpecOfTech waiting for your JTR subs review. Curious to know if you replaced your x15s with JTRs?
Love the new microphone, brings your demos to a completly new level!!
Oh awesome, that's what I want to hear. I like how it captures everything moving around the room.
@@SpecOfTech easily one of the best demos/comparisons I have seen. This alone will increase traffic. Maybe you can start doing shorts to increase exposure, even if RUclips doesn't monetize for copyright for movie clips, it will grow your base.
@@shaneducholke364 I 100% agree, I have been planning on doing shorts.
Thank you for your continues posting of those comparison videos. Such a shame nobody else is doing it, at least not at the scale you do. They are of great value (if not taken too literally for what one hears when listening to those comparisons).
One of your vids was actually the final straw that pushed me over the edge to buy my current pre. and it was the only one where SQ differences are very obvious to hear for me (XMC-2 vs AVM 70). Rest of them seem to be much more difficult to discern (not impossible, but more difficult).
I always listen to your comparisons on few systems I have at home and they sound different on each system :), leading quite often to different conclusions or no conclusions depending on the system in use). That of course highlights the obvious and why I said in the opening paragraph that the comparisons cannot be taken too literally as there are (too) many variables in the chain. To name a few: master volume and mic gain settings on your end -> scene selection -> mic -> YT compression -> playback system on viewer end.
But even it makes hard to ultimately judge the sonic performance of the devices it certainly allows, to some extent, to judge some of the differences which can be heard on the recording.
And now about the comparisons. About the ones I was mostly interested in. Maybe you can let me know what are your thoughts about the below:
1. For me XMC-2 is clearly superior vs AVM70 in your comparison. It is very easy to hear in your vid how much more spatial and low level resolution there is in XMC-2 vs AVM70, which sounds like "looking through murky glass" in comparison. XMC-2 vs AVM70 is the easiest differences to discern among all the different pairs compared IMHO.
2. In AV70 vs AVM90 vid you say that the difference is quite stark but it is not so clear to hear in the recording. Yes the difference can be heard but it is splitting hairs (don't get me wrong - I am not saying it is like that IRL, just what video depicts on my end with my systems).
3. Extrapolating from 1 and 2 it seems that XMC-2 has a potential to sound better than, or on similar level to AVM90 as the difference I can hear on the vids is much bigger between XMC-2 and AVM70 than AVM70 and AVM90 (and you also gave a sonic win to XMC-2 vs AVM70).
4. And finally Trinnov is mostly clearly better sounding for both cinema and music than AVM90 but again the difference is not as big as between XMC-2 and AVM70, although bigger than between 70 and 90 comparison (I am talking about recordings only not actual gear as this I would not dare to judge by only listening to YT videos as per previous explanation). Actually the difference between AVM70 and XMC-2 is so big on the recording that it makes me wonder if there was an error of procedure of some sort when recording AVM70 leading to botched recording?
Trinnov has "much" deeper look into recordings. More finesse and subtleties are drawn out. It can be clearly heard, to me, on music reproduction where it's top end is sweet versus etched with AVM90, but of course, not only on music.
Anyway I think the strongest point of T is its Optimizer system, which really allows to maximize (or totally break) how your room sounds :). But at this price point great base performance is a must and it seems that T is not disappointing. Still as it is only a PC there is so much left on the table if a dedicated well designed hardware could be used instead of run of the mill noisy PC components.
Can you comment on my deductions, which were extrapolated from comparing your different comparisons. It would be very interesting if you could put a weight to it from perspective of a person who listened them live and say for example, this is about right or that did not sound like that IRL etc.
Thanks
I have actually been wondering the same thing lately. I am considering comparing the Emotiva RMC-1 to my Anthem AVM90. I am not sure if you are aware, but I purchase or borrow most of the equipment I compare, most companies aren't will to work with me on review units just yet. It would be a pricey comparison, I just can't afford to keep buying equipment to compare, it is extremely hard on the pocket book. I do sell the equipment after my reviews and comparisons to help fund the next purchase, but even with that I lose money on each one. That money lost is not being replaced by the funds I make on YT, since I don't make enough ATM. With all that said, I have to be more careful with my purchases when they may be difficult to sell after, and Emotiva is a difficult sell because of their UI and firmware issues.
I may be able to get my hands on an XMC-2 for comparison, but I would really like the Emotiva flagship to go against the Anthem Flagship. I suspect even the XMC-2 may sound as good, possibly slightly better, than the AVM90, but the AVM90 will win hands down in every other category.
@@SpecOfTech I have seen most of your content as it was released and caught up by now on most back log from before I knew about your channel. IMHO easily one of the best, if not the best HT gear centric channel out there. From your vids I know how you organize your gear for reviews, which is very impressive. I am sure that, what I am going to write next has crossed your mind on more then few occasion ;), and I really don't want to write it, as I am really enjoying the unique work you are doing with comparisons.
I would imagine that if brands would start sending you gear for reviews they would never let you do head to head like this with sound demos. Those comparisons are very powerful and lay things bare for potential customers out there to see how things are, while otherwise they can hide behind their marketing talk and who really have opportunity to do much demoing not to mention head to head comparisons before buying? Those are not exactly cheap things as you know best yourself.
I would not be surprised if those comparisons is something that might be stopping brands from wanting to send you their gear... hopefully not! Please don't change the formula! :D
To give you simple example how powerful your comparisons are. I was considering XMC-2 for a very long time. My finger hovered over buy button at least 3-4 times in recent 2 years time. I was interested in it, because I read about it's high sound quality but I also knew about it's legendary bugs and as I had no chance to hear it in my system or anywhere else for that matter I always decided against it fearing the bugs. In one of those situations I decided in favor of CX-A5200. It was the comfortable choice. I knew it will not be as good sounding but I did not know by how much XMC-2 could be better and for that unknown factor I was not willing to risk the potential bugs coming with it. In the end it was your XMC-2 vs AMV70 comparison after watching which I knew straight away that I am getting XMC-2. I could hear the SQ difference is real and as I am used to comparing ton of stereo gear in real life in my room your video told me all that I needed to know as to what kind of potential to sound better XMC-2 actually has. And I was not mistaken and your video was of invaluable help :). So thank you for that. On the other hand, without it, I would not buy any Emo pre. I would probably try to get HTP-1 or Trinnov down the line (which will probably still happen eventually but I am not in rush now as I know I have great sounding Pre (by listening to it)).
To finish this part of reply - I am in EU but if I would live in Canada I would definitely be sending you my XMC-2 or CX-A5200 or both if would like for extended testing and comparisons. Not really a feasible option to do it from here.
About the other part of your message - apparently nobody, including Emotiva themselves, as I believe stated by their staff on Emo forum, can tell any sonic difference at all between XMC-2 and their higher ranked RMC series. Apparently that is because of the only difference being, other than channel count, is that for RMC series all channels have two DAC chips per channel vs only LCR on XMC-2. All XMC-2 and RMC channels are fully balanced anyway. I might be mistaken if it is really two chips per channel or is it some other trickery but that how it is done in high quality stereo systems so probably here is the same. And apparently that makes no real difference, as all are balanced but some in a bit more audiophile way but for channels, for which let's face it, it is harder to notice the ultimate fidelity, especially when differences between internal audio signal path topology are so minute (XMC vs RMC). To sum up - all interested say they sound exactly the same, including people who compared them. Maybe your tests would prove different but until then I am happy to think it is the case and from what you are saying, that should make your comparison of Emo vs AVM90 a bit easier (and a lot cheaper) to organize :).
And to finish off this ever longer reply. XMC-2 is a beast but in all of its aspects, good and bad. It sounds great but OMG the bugs are real :D. So yes I agree with what you have said about it vs AVM90. My Yamaha just works, each day and every day. XMC-2 is a constant anxiety inducing struggle... don't get me wrong, it works but you never know what kind of gremlin will jump at you randomly next :). Saying this, they hired some HDMI programming magician and are working on releasing new Firmware with his input in it and as ever with Emo processors, there is a hope it will all get resolved and fully stable. Until then you either agree to be a beta tester or just don't buy their processor as you will almost certainly sooner or later run into some odd behaviors or bugs. For most there are workarounds - but that is the problem, you don't want to have to do some steps to get it working you just want it to work... still the sounds quality is very good and those are priced extremely competitively and they offer cheap upgrade plans to new gen when it is released in 1-2 years. For a about 1k USD your current gen will be replaced with brand new equivalent from new line-up when it goes live. That is impressive if you are prepared to live with, what seems to be, never ending beta testing part...
Comparison chart of different Emo processors:
emotivalounge.proboards.com/attachment/download/35791
And the most important. Thank you for your honest reply!
Great review and was on my mind as fair as future upgrade path goes. Decided to buy the Anthem MRX1140 instead of Denon. Will be upgrading from 7.2 yamaha, so noticeable jump. And seperates are are dream for now. Cheers
Really great you went through the trouble of borrowing a Trinnov Altitude to make this video. I'm with you on it's price being out of range for me. I'll probably end up replacing my Marantz AV7702mkii with an Anthem AVM70 as even the 90 is a little steep for me.
Hey Bear! Great Video as always. I see you still have the Sonus Farber Sonetto's. I would love to see a Comparison shoot out between these three, Arendal 1723 THX and the
Martin Logan Motion XT F200. I heard the Martain Logan in North Carolina at the Audio advice Expo and they were amazing, Your Thought's between the three, Thank you as always.
I preferred the anthem AV 90 for all the music, and rhe trinnov for the movies. Strange…but would take OPs word over mine!
Thanks for the video! Now I love more my AVM90.
I think people who buy Trinnov is not just 4 sound improvement but all the flexibility it has to offer. For just sound quality the price doesn't justify the cost difference. I would go with the maestro x9 or lyngdorf mp-60
@Spec Of Tech , A truly rare review! Great review, BTW - did you use the Trinnov mic to optimize ?
Thank you, I appreciate that! Yes we used the Trinnov mic to calibrate it for my room.
Very cool! that must have bene fun getting to demo the Trinnov in your own space.
It was an amazing opportunity. I couldn't believe the gent who owned it was willing to bring it down, what a good sport he was.
Trinnov is much, much better! It takes the system to another level.🤘
Great video! Must have been a lot of work to set up and compare the systems but really appreciated on this end.
Digging the comparison product concept 👍
Thanks brother. I definitely can be a lot of work, but at the same time it's fun playing with audio gear, so it's more like playtime lol.
Great video. Did you use the fancy Trinnov mic for its measurements? How about their speaker mapping technology and all of their other knobs and features? I'm assuming that stuff has to put it far ahead of the Anthem?
We did use their fancy mic for the room calibration. The feature set and customization of the Trinnov is well beyond that of the Anthem
Both sounded excellent but To me I preferred the AVM90 for the music demos and the Trinnov for the video demos.
I was the complete opposite haha
Have you seen the difference in response with EQ on both processors on the subwoofers?
What will there be up to 20 Khz?
This comparison is not objective or rigorous.
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Greetings
Trinnov was a tab clearer, and the highs are on another level, but for the price... not worth it over the Anthem. Great video, SIR!
Anthem is holding is down very nicely.
My choice I'm so motivated to buy one thanks for this.
Thank you for the amazing work. I heard that the VTV Purifi class D amplifier can increase the detail retrieval for the speakers. If possible, do you mind pairing the amp with Anthem AVM 90 to see if the detail retrieval is improved to the extent of hearing those water bubbles you otherwise could not with AVM 90 when it's heard with Trinnov. Trying to see if the pairing can make a difference and bring it closer to Trinnov in terms of detail retrieval.
Would be awesome if the detail level is increased. It can save money and provide a good alternative option to many
I’m about to sit and watch and I’m scratching my head. Cause this can’t be expected to be a fair competition. I’m an Anthem owner and while it’s maybe step or two above the ‘mainstreamer’ variants, I myself have never held it in a ‘Juggernaut’ / end game category. I’ve reserved that label to offerings from Trinnov, Storm, And a few niche types? So even before I hit, play I’m going in with some biases hehe
I had to make it a little dramatic lol. The title had to be exciting.
@@SpecOfTech hehehe. 👊👊
Great video! You are doing quite a professional job, very entertaining and useful.
Thank you!
very nice review. you shuld review the lyngdorf products as well.
Sick intro! Watching video now
Thanks brother, I hope you enjoyed it.
Does the Anthem have PEQ ability or do active crossovers? The Trinnov can time align 10 time more precisely, has the ability to have a complex excursion curve, 3d room measurement etc. The Trinnov has measurement settings for the mic, did you use the correct ones, such as start frequency, crest factor, threshold of response. What did you use for resolution of response?
Ok so I asked you a question about 7 months ago which has now lead to a 2nd if you don't mind.
What were you using to Power everything Amp wise???
Would keeping my pair of Anthem MCA 525's and upgrading to the Trinnov Alt 16 or 32 Processor cause a noticeable/Better difference???
Thanks
Trinnov has fantastic sound processing software. I'm sure you would hear a difference upgrading to the Trinnov. Their 3D sound placement is second to none.
This is a good vid; The problem you have now is once you hear something better, you can't "un-hear" it - so get ready for the upgrade bug
lol Yeah you are 100% right, I pretty much live in a constant state of upgrade-itis!
Once you go with Trinnov there is nothing to “upgrade” to!
I like the red and blue light to distinguish each device.. But each color sets such a different mood, I feel like it changes my bias to naturally expect that the red demo is warmer and the blue demo is cooler and more spacious. And that is what I that is what we all heard anyway.. And I'm pretty good at keeping my bias' in line, but we're all only human.
Great review! But you're kind of an a**hole for showing me how badly I want a $30k thing that I just don't need :)
I pride myself in helping those spend money they didn't know they wanted to spend lol.
Thank you for this review. As an avm90 owner I wanted to hear this. Always wondered 😊
No problem, I'm glad you found it helpful.
Great comparison video. I agree with your assessment 100%. The Trinnov simply reveals more details within the music or movie...just can't afford it. By the way, love the look of your speakers. Are they Paradigm? I have Studio 100's, CC-690 ,40's and ADPs for my base layer. If those are Paradigms, what series are you using all around for your base layer? Thanks.
Thanks brother! I am using Sonus Faber Sonetto VIII towers, Sonetto CII center, Sonetto Walls for side surrounds and Sonetto II bookshelves for rears.
@@SpecOfTech we are still waiting for the review🙄
So I have the AVM90 and am considering getting the Amplitude 8… Thoughts on Mixing those together?
Pros, Cons (If any)
I don't foresee there being any major cons to that pairing, because you can always EQ the sound to taste. But, if you are using speakers that lean towards the cooler side of neutral, then you could find things leaning to the bright side with that pairing. The Anthem products are known to be on the cooler side of neutral, class D amps are also known to lean to the cooler side of neutral. Pairing that with speakers that lean on the cooler side may not be the best combination, unless you are familiar with using ARC to adjust for that.
Hi,
Do you know if this Altitude 32 was running Sabre or older DACs?
Thanks
Wow that microphone is crazy good lol.
As always superb video.
Thank you for doing this Review. I was in the same park but I believe you reached the point of diminishing returns with the Trinnov. However, there is a Pre-Amp that is up there with the Trinnov, Has a few things better than the Trinnov and costs ALOT less than the Trinnov that I went with. I couldn't be happier :) Can you guess what it is?
hmmmm...tough to say really. It would depends on what "things" you would consider as "better" than the Trinnov lol. I could venture a guess of Storm Audio, but I wouldn't consider them to be "A LOT" less than Trinnov, depending on the models we are referencing. Long story short lol, I guess Storm Audio.
Could it be Storm Audio?
What i can tell from youtube compression, Trinnov for movies hands down but i prefer the sounds coming out of the AVM90 for music listening. I would love to hear the shootout between the Marantz AV10 vs the AVM90.
Interesting, I was the complete opposite haha, proves different ears prefer different things
Did Marantz step up the dac game or what? Why are they so expensive now? If I had 7k to spend I'd buy a used Marantz 7705 for the legacy inputs and probably an emotiva with the new prices they have. Maybe even have a grand or 2 left for an amp. If I had to choose one though I would probably go avm90. It seems like a very complete high end product for the price.
Have you seen the difference in response with EQ on both processors on the subwoofers?
What will there be up to 20 Khz?
This comparison is not objective or rigorous.
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Greetings
You can’t tell shit from this YT comparison sound 😂
The trinnov was a incremental difference in movie scenes, music anthem kicked its ass. Trinnov not worth that jump
Throw in the AV10 and it'll be one heck of a video.
I've been considering av10 vs avm90 for a long time. I went with the av10. Getting it tomorrow
Congrats, that AV10 is a beautiful unit!
😍
Did you also go with the matching amplifier from Marantz? Because I think getting that perfectly matched amplifier may do you wonders! Congrats 🎊
@Novilicious no. I already have 2 8-channel amps. The amp10 is definitely an interesting piece, and I'd love to hear it, but I build my own amps using the same modules that marantz puts in the PM10, which have more power, and less distortion, than the modules in the amp10
@@Cblan1224 Its been a few months since, I believe you received your AV10. How do you like it? What were you upgrading from if you had a previous processor? I wonder if anyone here has done a comparison between the AV10 and the AVM 90.
Great review mate and you are correct in the movie scenes the trinov was more detailed, but for music the Anthem sounds better. It had more bottom end and sounds fuller.
Music is a strong suit of the AVM90, it's a fantastic piece of gear.
Finally, a difference I can hear. The layering from the Trinnov is much superior to the Anthem...and I'm an Anthem fan (D2v). More 3-dimensional with deeper imaging, even with stereo content. I can now rest in knowing that the Trinnov price is justified. Anthem is the best processor under $10K, in my opinion.
I think the trinnov was cleaner and more detailed you decently felt the added space the avm90 is more forward sounding for my taste.
How would you describe the difference b/w denon x4800 and anthem mrx740...sound and options to tweak it?
I am myself a Trinnov owner since the altitude32 was first released. In order to understand the comparison better, I am curious on the room calibration. Since the default calibration is basically a flat line, the result is pretty bad with to much treble and to little bas. If I understand it correctly you hade the optimizer enabled but with default/unaltered roomcurve?
I do believe that the Trinnov is more of a software company and that is were their strength lies, but it is super interesting to understand how good the anthem stacks up against the Trinnov from a true audiophile perspective. Did you do any comparison using "unprocessed" (or only correcting the bas region) audio the evaluate the DAC/Preamp section?
I did not have the time to play with all the intricacies. I had the unit for a limited amount of time. The calibrations used were there baseline calibrations, this is the only way to keep things fair and unbiased. Of course you can customize the sound of each processor, but then that introduces new ways for it not to be fair. You can adjust many different factors of each unit, but how do you do that while keeping it fair? If you want more bass, you can get that from each unit, if you want a calibration curtain, you can do that with both as well.
I would say the software is the strongest attribute of the much more expensive Trinnov, as both units have world class hardware.
@@SpecOfTech It would be intresting to compare them without room optimizer as that would be easier to understand core performance. And as next step it would be to add the calibration as that is almost an artform with lots subjective and objective decissions that needs to be made etc.
Nice video, where to get that Dolby Atmos demo?
I used my Xbox Series X, it has a Dolby Atmos app with demos in it.
@@SpecOfTech btw for the bass I have a preference for the Anthem to my ears
Is it worth buying a trinny if you have an open floor plan? My basement is an L shape.
Thanks in advance
Honestly, the Trinnov would be the best option because with the cal mic it can adjust the speakers location virtually to help get you the best response even without proper speaker placement. It can tell if your speakers are not optimally placed and adjust that in the software virtually.
I just have to say it - Is there really much validity to the comparison, when the room isn't properly treated, and you're not feeding bi or tri-amped powered speakers / studio monitors? You'd get a MUCH more noticeable improvement by just doing that - at an absolute fraction of the whopping cost!
Really cool comparison. Of course the Trinnov would kick ass! But the money. Holy shit! I am considering upgrading to the Anthem 90 though.
Very Good video i request pls compare Trinov altitude 16 vs Macintosh Mx 180 pls
Trin 32….. easy. can’t even make the justification for it. 😂 I don’t have the space or the hardware for it. I would need some killer speakers l, and a lot of them before I would look at that. Probably be the last thing I would get.
Crazy the 2.1 is an upgrade at that price. Old tech at this point should be included
So where’d you get the Nature’s Fury demo? I haven’t seen/heard that one yet.
I have the Dolby App on my Xbox Series X, that app has that demo on it.
From this alone I would save the extra 22k and just buy the Anthem.
Awesome video! The new mic is much better. IMO, Trinnov is the holy grail of HT processors. For systems that are 11 ch, and around there, the Trinnov is a massive overkill. If you have 17, or 21 or even more ch then the Trinnov makes sense for sure. That is a big ass home theater! Great comparison, and I agree with your thoughts on the value.
Totally false. Whether you have 5.1.2, 7.1.4 or 16 channels, the Trinnov is leaps and bounds better than these boutique processors. That’s like saying the Anthem is useless if you are using the same number of channels 5.1.2 etc. the Altitude 16 (now 20 via software upgrade) is easily the most future proofed processor out there. Huge difference between software based vs “cheapest chips” which eventually are outdated and running “some form” of the actual codec e.g. Dolby, DTSX, Auro.
Interesting video mate... Personally I don't think it's quite a fair comparison (not that your video idea is bad!) just that possibly something like a Storm would be closer. For the money, Anthem is hands down the best in class for it's pricepoint and if I didn't pursue owning a Trinnov as hard as I did to the point of obsession, Anthem would have been my next choice. There is so much to what a Trinnov can do, especially in non-perfect rooms, and the level of calibration options is very extensive... phase, impulse, plus access to excursion curve control etc... to me.. it was the end game hardware I knew I needed for my room. Good video mate - glad I finally got around to watching it since coming back from the Trinnov room at ISE :D
lol Oh yeah, vastly unfair, so much so I had to make sure to make that clear in the video. This comparison was more for fun, and to help answer some questions in the community, because there were quite a few asking this question online.
The Trinnov is such an amazing piece of kit, I can see why that was your goal for so long. I'm glad you were able to achieve it. I would love to hear your room, or at least a room like it, with Trinnov and Krix equipment. Although, I have a feeling I would want some upgrades coming out of it. Your space is just impressive, amazing looks, and no doubt, amazing sound.
As always, thanks for watching brother.
Trinnov VS Mcintosh MX 180 or MX 123.
Great work by the way.
You've got to be kidding, right? I don't think an MX123 would best a totl Denon
Can we get a comparison between the new Marantz AV10 and the Anthem?
I would love to do that comparison, I am hoping to get my hands on an AV10. So far it's looking like I would have to buy a unit if I want to review it, and that is just too expensive for me to do unfortunately.
@@SpecOfTech Hopefully they'll send you one
I think that Anthem and some companies will get closer and closer to Trinnov an Storm in the near future, with more affordable PrePro......
I have a trinnov altitude 16 wich is haf the price of altitude 32 it sound the satly you could look at the cheaper option and upgrade from anthem avm90 to trinnov altitude 16 instead.
And 2nd hand Alt16 tend to go for around 10-11k euro / USD :), which make them very much in ball park of new AVM90.
Until in few years there are some low priced AVM90 on the market I see 2nd hand Alt16 as the only option to upgrade to for myself (or maybe a HTP-1 but that would be a side-step for me more than a upgrade).
Great video but with 2 kids in college both are out of my budget. Maybe someday!
Great job as always.
Thank you! Cheers!
Where can I get this demos?
Awesome 👏
Badass review dude.
Great video. I hope you can make a DIRAC SSP(Storm, Arcam etc) vs the Trinnov, that's one of the most asked questions currently.
I would love to, but it might be tough to get my hands on all 3, but who knows.
Anthem gives crispy treble..
Trinnov gives detail treble..
The most accurate description 👌🏾
I have the Altitude 16 on my dream wish list. The 32 is all but a pipe dream to me. I could however make a realistic goal of buying an TA16 within two years like Tony build montage aspired and did.
That's an excellent goal, I have no doubt you would be impressed.
Could you please tell me what speaker brand was used in this vedio?
They are Sonus Faber Sonetto.
Any way you can get your hands on the Marantz AV10 for a review?
I hope to get a review unit in the future, but I haven't had any luck this far.
@@SpecOfTech Im In Edmonton can always let you review mine
Awesome video
Thanks!
I could hear the difference in the music. But for now I’ll stick to my avm60 🤷🏻♂️. For now!!
Nice comparison. Not sure I hear the $22,000 difference.
You otta review the Emotiva BasX MC-1 super budget pre-pro
So they both sound great. Another option is to get something like a Denon 6700, put it in your rack and 99.999 percent of people won’t be able to tell the difference. Great video though , keep it up!
Yeah they both do sound fantastic, but there are some noticeable differences. You're right the general public won't be able to tell the difference, but I sure would lol. My system is about my enjoyment, it's a selfish hobby.
@@SpecOfTech no doubt , well said!
10:14 anthem made it extra boomy
11:22 Trinnov less boomy
Which one did you like better for music? I know each one has their strengths. Both w/w/o calibration. Even if it’s close.
We didn't do a lot of comparison on the music side, but we did do some. With the calibrations, I found the Trinnov a little more neutral. The Trinnov is able to bring out the subtle nuances better, so I personally preferred it over the AVM90. That being said, the AVM90 is absolutely amazing for music, it's one of its clear strengths. Considering it is 4 times less $$ than the Trinnov, the AVM90 performs well over its price point for music.
What will you buy now that you sold the Anthem ?
I bought an Emotiva RMC-1L. Definitely not the same league when it comes to UI and usability, but sound quality...we'll see ;).
@@SpecOfTechso 4 months later how ya feel about the emotiva?
@@demonreturns4336 I had to return it. Due to me having a YT channel and needing to test other equipment like amplifiers and speakers, I need something reliable. The Emotiva still has too many bugs IMO to be considered reliable enough to be used for a reviewer.
Wow, I gotta say the Anthem sounds better to me from what I can hear here....
Anyone know how the anthem Avn 90 compares to the NAD Master Series M17 V2i?
Stay tuned on the channel, I have a comparison coming between those two.
How do these processors compare to the JBL synthesis?
I'm not sure to be honest, I have never heard the JBL.
Seems like someone's suspension is over♥️♥️🔥🔥🔥. Love that opening
Thanks brother!
I'm listening to a cheap 200$ Samsung phone with a pair of kz pros. So I'm not nearly the clarity of some of the other viewers on your channel but it seemed to me like the anthem has more bass impact and like you im a big bass head that's what set these 2 processors apart. It was hard to tell much difference in the 2 but I imagine without the "bloated" bass you were hearing more details in the trinov. I'm sure with some adjustments you could've dialed that trinov in perfect. But it was hard to understand what I was listening to through the binoral mic. I'm sure it sounded great in room but unfortunately it didn't transfer through my cheap setup. It was a good video. I liked the lights in your room. They looked like lightsabers above your speakers which is a pretty cool effect for a movie room. Last time I saw you, you had legacy speakers it looks like you switched to sonas Faber. Both great speakers. Personally I would've gone with sonas Faber they've always one of favorite speakers to listen to. Thanks for the video. It was fun
Great video! I would love to see a comparison between the AVM90 and the new Marantz AV10. Especially for 2 channel/music performance. The AV10 has a few small features I would like but not at the expense of sound quality
Really against marantz, or your just playing...i don't even need the comparison..marantz, denon are overrated 😴
I have not heard the AV10, so maybe they have made some vast improvements on sound quality. But, given my past experience with Marantz, and from what I have read, I would expect the Anthem to be clearer and cleaner with less warmth (coloration). Take that with a grain of salt, since it is only based on my assumption with no real information from the AV10 itself.
@@SpecOfTech i totally agree with you from what heard also,plus i have the denonx8500h, and i regret buying it..can't wsit for my avm90. Im getting closer to making that move...already got the amps...great video as always.
@@blueflame0003what didn’t you like about the 8500?
3d placing of the trinnov is much better. Anthem sounds more harsh and bass is less good balanced.
agreed... the Trinnov is the mack daddy. but...... is it 300% better, only if i win the lotto
Is it using some form of compression to bring up the lower volume details? DACs, etc. are weird… Enabling dynamic volume in by SR8015 bring out a lot of lower volume details.
Interesting comparison I understand the Altitude was on loan but the Altitude 16 would have been a much more viable comparison in terms of dollars and channel processing. I am not sure how anyone can hear a difference playing this through RUclips compression and what is probably through iPad speakers or something of the like. I had the AVM70, Rotel, and Arcam AV40, I chose to go with Trinnov after not experiencing any real differences over my Marantz SR8015 receiver. The Trinnov altitude 16 is not 4 times the cost of the avm90, and the VAST MAJORITY of people will not need the Altitude 32 other than double the channels and 96-192khz higher res decoding for music its not worth it. The demo that shook me was watching A Quiet Place on Kaleidescape, I had the AVM70 still and the Trinnov altitude 16, NIGHT and DAY difference, I agree with your comment about hearing every little ambient sound clear and in it’s precise direction (thanks to their incredible remapping tech). Another incredible “feature” people don’t speak about much is the customer service you get, I remember calling up Rotel for issues with their new HT processor and taking weeks to get back to (eventual return), that being said, Trinnov Techs respond almost immediately and connect to your unit remote to install updates, correct issues and guide you through any issues or settings you don’t understand. - I’ve never worked with Anthem support so I cannot comment.
Hey Barrett never heard of StormAudio? Compare that one with the Trinnov.
Yup StormAudio is the exclusive partner for Dirac 2023 tech (everyone has to wait for 2024) vs Trinnov.
I have heard of Storm Audio, and I wonder how they compare to Trinnov as well.
I am installing storm into my system... its superb
@@glynmatthews678 Very nice, congrats brother!
Anthem sounds warmer with music Trinnov sounds cold in music. But in movies the Trinnov sounded better than the Anthem the Anthem sounded like it was in a hallway where the Trinnov sounded forward and clear separation.
But in all honesty I don't see a justification in such a high price for the Trinnov unless your a commercial user. But my pockets aren't anywhere near deep enough for that kind of equipment so hats off to those can afford it.
I prob have no idea what I'm saying but I picked up another 3800h today and I seemed to have did what I wanted in auro3D, which is 5.1.6 to 7.1.8. But who knows I have no idea what I'm doing. Just plugged the output of one to the input of the 2nd, messed around in video option to turn monitor 1/2 to activate and I got sound, I already had picture. Then I go to to the speakers plug them in and it works, also the info button shows the channels active as intended. But again I'm prob looking at something wrong. The remote works for both. I can get a 16th channel using the vog of the 2nd avr and 8 subs.
So, Cap2400 or RS1 or RS2? 😎
Mike, dropping the tough question lol. For me personally, I think the CAP2400 is the better value. You get peak performance to cost ratio out of those 3 choices. That said, despite it being designed very well, if you push the ported 2400 you will still hear port noise. The RS1 and RS2 will never experience that, so you get ONLY bass even at loud excessive bass levels. If you have the budget for the RS2's get them, if you want to save some denaro, but still get similar low end performance to the RS2, get the CAP2400's.
@@SpecOfTech it will be Sub upgrade time soon. You know I’m waiting on an XR13 review. My setup is in our main room so I’m not sure if the size of the RS2 will be a deal breaker. I also don’t know how a single 13” driver can match the RS2’s output - and they will be at similar price points I believe. The RS1 isn’t that much cheaper so it’s hard for me not to justify going the RS2 route. Thanks for your thoughts 👊
After watching your review you make me feel like my Anthem AVM70 is a BoomBox!😢
haha, no way man, that AVM70 is still a fantastic unit. It is just a fantastic unit in a different price category.
@@SpecOfTech LOL! I was just kidding but I would Love to have that 90 but that’s out of my price range! I bought my 70 before they sent them with the 2.1 upgrade and now they want $500. I feel they should give people who have already purchased the 70/90 a break and only charge $250. $500 to me is too much just for a 2.1 board and you have to send it in or take it to a shop.
@@JLRJ Did not know that. That is a bit greedy. Is it self install or does the unit has to be sent back?
@@sebna No,you have to send it in to Anthem or take it to an authorized dealer to have it installed. They will not allow the customer to self-install. So if you don’t have a nearby dealer you will have to box it and ship and Pray it doesn’t get damaged along the way!
@@JLRJ Not to mention potential customs charges etc. if sending between trading zones etc. Thanks for coming back to me :)
Trinov more details, more depth. to me trinov is the winner. I am happy with my Anthem avm60
I’m holding out for Dolby extended environment (dee) only found in the new maranthem 64 channel processor. It has 64 channels of processing available so you can run extended environmental sounds in each and every room of your house, including outside. Helicopters flying overhead and dinosaurs walking by will be a whole new experience…one that even your neighbors can enjoy!! Dolby extended environment! Coming soon!!
Anthem CLEARLY has better bass and overall more impressive sound than Trinnov, sorry Trinnov fans truth hurts. Also Binaural sound demos sound fabulous. Feel free to disagree but I think Anthem overall while maybe having a touch less extreme detail sounds more coherent and has better bass by far than Trinnov at least here. Just my 2 cents.
The stupidity of demos like this and people think they hear the same sound and difference like they are there is mind blowing 🤯
Comments like this are mind blowing to me. You want to insult people, yet your comment is so grammatically wrong, it's hard to make sense of it.
@@SpecOfTech Fixed it a little bit 👌🏼
@@SpecOfTechhow are you today My request is if you can make Maratz AV10 VS Anthem AV M90 will be highly appreciated Torry from east Africa Uganda. I truly love your videos thanks you for the time & efforts 🙏
Your XBOX X should be facing out, so the exhaust heat from the top is blowing air out of your rack, not into your rack.
My rack has built in fans, no worries for venting 😉.
@@SpecOfTech doesn’t matter. There’s still way too much heat blowing in the wrong direction from the XBX
@@Fluterra Pretty hard to have an Xbox that is INSIDE an enclosed rack, blow air outside the rack. My rack is designed to create a chimney effect. It sucks in cool air from the bottom and fans blow the warm air created by all the equipment in the rack out the top. This includes the warm air created by the Xbox, but thanks for the concern.
Is it me or the surround sound more detail with the Trinnov? Maybe we should have done the face-off initially without room correction? Spec you do the best videos.
How many channels are using the Tonewinner Class A amplifiers?
The front LCR are on the Tonewinner amps
Get an Altitude 16 for about 2X the price on the Anthem. Well worth it.
It's more like Juggernaut Vs Beetle... you just can compare a Trinnov against any other machine but StormAudio