@@SpecOfTech Barrett i have a question for you. I went from a AVM70 4k to a AVM90 running ARC1.7.4 on both units. Both units are on the most current firmware. I went play some content and i noticed that it was a lot louder. I compared ARC files. While the measurements look really similar. I noticed that the AVM90 speaker levels were 6-7db higher than where they were set for the AVM70. Did you notice anything like that when you upgraded? Thanks in advance. Edward
I will chime here on my experience. I initially had an NAD M17 V2i with the NAD M28 with M&K S150 IIIs across the front stage. The sound was crystal clear, detailed. One of my HDMI ports went bad, so I sold the unit. I then bought and hooked up the Anthem AVM 70 8K. The sound was fuller and had a larger soundstage, but not as clear and a smidge less detail. Then I returned that unit and went to the AVM 90. The AVM 90 was definitely clearer than the AVM 70, while still having a large soundstage, fuller sound and just as much detail as the M17. Looking back and remembering the M17, it sounded thinner than the AVM 90. I consider the AVM 90 as the end game processor for now.
Just got my AVM 70 8K 3 days ago. Guys, AVM 70 8K (hdmi 2.1 4k 120)is sooo worth it. I set up my 9.2.6 & trust me for $4k it's so awesome. I only need 2 subs. ARC was a breeze(after 3 hrs) this is my 1st Anthem, coming from denon X4700h. Go buy it you won't regret
@Spec Of Tech At first I really thought it couldn't get any better than 7.2.4. I thought I wouldn't hear any chan separation with 15 speakers but I was wrong. Sound is everywhere. If I had 8k to play with I would've brought the 90 but I paid for 70k in 3 installments through Crutchfield so im very happy.
AVM70 comment update. I had this processor paired with one of the two major entry level brand amps. $2,200. (11ch) They call the Amp an "Audiophile quality" but i just found out my sound suffered with the BW 702 S2. I have just now paired the processor with an Anthem MCA325. What a difference! Better detail and tighter bass. If you are going to buy a processor, pair it with a decent Amp or buying it doesn't make much sense.
Listening to your music samples through a desktop computer with small Tannoy powered monitors, I hear more clarity and detail in the bass for the AVM90 over the AVM70. I hear the same above the bass level, but it's less noticeable. For the movie samples, both sound good (considering how I'm experiencing the audio), but it seems like I'm hearing more of what I expect to hear from the AVM90, given what I'm seeing on screen. The AVM90 lets me hear what I couldn't hear with he AVM70. That's alway what I hope for if I'm going to spend more money. Both are pleasing, but it's amazing to hear things in your favorite sources you've never heard before. Thanks for the video; I've been waiting for it since your review of the AVM90. I like your description and characterizations of your experience. You gave me a good feel for what double-the-cost would provide. I like your take on it: the AVM70 is a great experience, but if the budget allows and you want it to be even better, consider the AVM90. Maybe I'll find out! Thanks again.
I'm happy you found the video helpful, and thanks for watching. That's exactly it, if you have the budget, get the AVM90...if not, get the AVM70 and still be VERY satisfied. Let me know if you end up going with the AVM90, I always love to hear the thoughts and opinions of others as well.
much needed video by all the potential new buyers or people who are thinking of upgrading from their current processor/receiver. thx for making it. i bought avm90, skipped the avm70 when upgrading from avm60. - and wondered if i had spent too much since i never had experienced the avm70. love the 90 in all aspects and the best processor i have owned to date - very mature platform compared to its launch date. I hop people watch this video on a neutral and well balanced playback setup, and NOT on an their phones.
Hey. Nice videos. I am out here in the burbs of Toronto. I hear more bass on the 90 than the 70. Are you sure things were matched? I can't imagine the 90 putting out so much more bass. Listening on both my setup in my home theatre via youtube from a firestick with full range PSB tower front centre right and a Mirage BPS-400 subwoofer with zero calibration and on my headphones from my laptop I notice a significant increase in bass on the 90 vs the 70 with and without you using ARC in the last clip. It seems like a very large rather pronounced difference. In the Brooklyn and the Bridge example, it seems like the bass is completely missing with the 70 vs the 90. Are you sure everything was level matched? At first I thought it was because you were using 4 subwoofers which you had independent control over to calibrate with the 90 but it seems like even without ARC the bass seemed almost as if it was absent with the 70. Was there any calibration done to the 70 and 90 when you did not have ARC engaged? I am looking at upgrading my very old Marantz AV7005 prepro one day to another Marantz like an AV7704, 7706, 8802 or 8805 etc but I am also considering the AVM 70. I think the 90 is out of my price range at almost $9k plus cad!. Great videos. Keep up the good work.
Nice video as always. You might want to double check the DAC’s used in the AVM70 - pretty sure they switched to an ESS DAC for that too post the AKM factory fire
Yes sire, the did end up having to switch to ESS DACs on the AVM70 later on in their production due to the fire. At the start of the AVM70 production they were using the AKM DACs, and for this video i had an early production model.
Nice video, I’m listening to this review with my new AirPods Pro 2 with spatial audio and this is what I heard. Yes the avm90 for movies sounded better. Avm90 opened up the speakers with better clarity and crispness. The avm70 made movies sound muffled. Both did good with music, both sounded better with arc off. Bass sounded bloated with arc on for music. Avm90 is worth it if you wanting the clearest, cleanest sound.
Thanks for the input Mike. I am hoping to upgrade my recording equipment in hopes of getting better clearer results for demos. In the future I hope the differences are even more noticeable, even after RUclips compresses it of course.
recently upgraded from the anthem avm 70 to the avm 90. Its hard to explain other than the avm 90 just has more detail and the separation is crazy. I thought the 70 was great, but the 90 is just on another level. You basically explained in the video everything i heard in person. Is it worth double the cost? I guess that depends on who you ask, but for me it was well worth the investment.
Been waiting for this video, I listened comparison, I am sure it should sound differently in person, however I don’t feel like minimal sound difference worth paying double. I have avm 70, and I am happy with it, only thing at this moment is should get it upgraded for hdmi 2.1, Anthem asking $550 and you pay for shipping yourself….
I guess that is reasonable considering the what you are getting on the upgrade...that depends on how much shipping is I suppose. I have no doubt the sound differences are more noticeable in person than over a compressed RUclips video. The AVM70 is a fantastic performer though, so no need for any FOMO over the AVM90.
It would be interesting to see a Trinnov vs AVM90 comparison video. As the difference between the 70 and 90 is audible, will the trinnov at more than double the price make an audible difference.
Where did you get a trinnov at double the price of an avm90? I priced them out a few weeks ago, locally in Toronto, the alt 16 was $26k I believe with the alt32 coming in closer to $40k
Could you tell me which power amps you use with the AVM90? To provide 7 channels with Anthem is see you’d need to have the 2 channel and 5 channel power amps?
AVM 70 8K is absolutely perfect. Readable interface. The AVM 90 is better but not $3700 worth. I have a 9.2.6 in my(18.14) livingroom & have excellent sound & chan separation. Totally worth the $4k
The AVM70 is a fantastic piece, and you’re right, it’s definitely worth its price. I love the fact that if you do want a bump in sound, the AVM90 is there to fill that need. At the same time, can understand their are those with the opinion it isn’t worth the extra cost. We all have different preferences and budgets.
@@SpecOfTech Bass just seems flat like it needs to be turned up. While running ARC it had me turn the bass down quite a bit. I've got a peak at the 40hz-ish area. I’m new to ARC, so I'm just playing with it. Any suggestions? Running a 7.3.4.
If one does more stereo listening, it would be interesting to see how the AV90 performance compares to a decent dedicated stereo integrated such as a Acram SA10. I rather have the best stereo performance at reasonable listening levels and “good enough” surround sound. Maybe a X3700 and a SA10 makes more sense then going all in on a processor.
After calibrating my room with the Trinnov, my room is too "dead" as is, but maybe some diffusers could help that. I do plan on treating my room, but purchasing gear for review always takes precedent, right now I can't afford to do both.
@@SpecOfTech How is it possible that your room is to dead? Because of what? Trinnov can’t do what an absorber does. A ground rule is 15% of all surface have absorbers.
@@BigStreetCinema The Trinnov tells you what the reverb in your room is. I can't remember what the ideal reverb number is off the top of my head, but according to that, my room was more dead than what is recommended. Due to the design of the room, and l everything I have around the room etc. I am going off of what the gent with the Trinnov explained based on that measurement. But I can also tell by using the clap test, my room does not have a lot of echo at all...hence why I have prolonged getting treatments. I am not denying I probably need them to help in some areas, but my room already isn't an echo chamber like some others.
You did a nice job there. I am using Marantz AV 8805, Marantz MM8077 with Monitor Audio PL300 in stereo mode, bi amped without subwoofer, the AVM sounded punchier & more extended.
Thank you for this great video!!! I got the RMC1L it sounds great but it has an static popping noise that bothers me. I think it was a big mistake buying it. I just place my order for the AVM 90. I hope to have a better luck.
Same here. I just got my AVM 90 to replace my RMC-1L. Sent the RMC back to emotiva. The RMC sounded great but the AVM 90 is noticeably better. So clear and crisp.
As with all things you buy value is personal. At some point opportunity costs come into play. What else could make the system better than getting the AVM90? For me I answered it with a dedicated preamp with theatre bypass and separate 2 channel listening gear. When I compare playing music using the avm70 and my 2 channel gear, they are both quite different. Different “flavours” and that gives me some variety. Ultimately 2 channel sounds better and I can continue to indulge in two hobbies at once.
Great video! AV processors are a very competitive market segment. Its brain damage with all the options. The day Anthem released the new AVM series, it changed the landscape in a good way. Style, performance, and tech. If I was looking for a new processor, it would be the AVM70 hands down. Has everything I would ever need for a (what I think) is a great price. The MRX series is awesome too, compared to the big box brands IMO. At the time when I was looking at a new processor, I chose the NAD M17v2, which I really like. BluOs streaming built in, and Dirac. The AVM series was not quite available yet. The NAD is somewhat old school compared to the Anthem. Much simpler, basic even. It has just what is necessary. I have heard both the AVM 70 and 90... both are stellar units. If I sold the NAD, the AVM70 would be my choice.
@@SpecOfTech The NAD is great, and works flawlessly. But I still feel that it's behind the times. The on screen menu's, the tweak options, only 2 sub outs not independent, just don't compare. Simple in comparison. It sounds really really good tho😁
I can hear an improvement, but not with the bass so unless that shows up in the room, I don't see the avm90 being worth twice the prices, $1500 more? Sure. A MiniDSP will handle you 4 subs almost as good so if it were my money, I would get the AVR70, and put the extra $4500 into even better amps or better projector. Even upgraded speakers or subs. I think the $4500 would improve one's overall experience more than upgrading from the 70 to the 90. I also rarely listen to lossless music so that also affects my decision. Great video Barret, like alwaya
I went from the 70 to the 90 and the difference in the bass is noticeable especially in the mid bass also everything movies and music just sounds more open and airy and even RUclips music and videos sound more crisp and punchy which the avm70 didn’t seem to do as well imo it’s worth every penny
Are you using MiniDSP's for the subs? Is the room correction used for full range on all speakers? In Marantz receivers you can limit the correction to 300-500Hz depending on your preference/room. So all high frequencies are untouched.
I do have a minidsp, but I wasn't using it. This was a comparison of the processors, so even if I had the minidsp connected I would have removed it for this comparison. I want to show what the unit is capable of without any help from outside devices/software. Anthem Room Correction, has the exact capabilities as Audyssey in that regard. You can control how low it EQ's and how high. I did not have the speakers in full range, they were crossed over at 80hz.
Nice review. Maybe to make things more interesting, can include used pre/pro for comparisons. For example new avm 90 vs used stormaudio mk1 as price wise very similar.
@@SpecOfTech I am sorry I do not have one. Just try to give you an idea comparing new avr with used avr. Not necessary between avm90 and stormaudio mk1. Thank you.
Do you want all 4 subs to be calibrated by the processor? If so, you should go with the AVM90. A great 2 channel option would be the Anthem STR integrated, but it does not have 4 subwoofer outputs. I know a guy who had the STR integrated and sold it after getting the AVM90, he said the AVM90 sounded just as good.
@@SpecOfTech thanks for the advice. I was told to go with the AVM90 from my local shop but just thought it was a little over kill since I wouldn’t be using it for movies etc. I’ll definitely look into it now. Thanks! 🙏🏼 Keep up the great work 👍🏼
It's tough to say, I haven't had a whole lot of time with the RMC-1L, and I didn't have time to run Dirac on it. My first impression (out of the box) is that the RMC is on par when it comes to clarity, maybe even slightly better.
@@SpecOfTech thank you for the response I really like the sound quality of RMC-1L. Keep aside bugs like HDMI switching. I had an issue with Dirac but it is sorted now.
Just received My AVM 70 Can't wait moving From A Yamaha 3080 receiver. Should be Big Upgrade. With That said Love your Videos I just need to k what Rack mount system is that? Thanks for your Videos.
Hey man, thanks for support. I am just using shelves within a 24U rack. That way I don't need any rack mount kits for my gear, I just put them on a shelf, which I can space vertically however I want.
You are going to love the upgrade. I had the Marantz 7705 and to me it was missing something. Once I traded up to the AVM70. OMG 😆. Everything, movie and music was that much more punchy, clean & crisp. Totally Enjoy 😉 it. Congrats
I recently upgraded from AVM60 to AVM70 and am delighted. I have a Yamaha 3080 in the bedroom which I’m also delighted with. Separates are great but I’d just temper expectations on anything suddenly becoming a revelation.
I'd be curious how the AVM 90 sound compares to my "somewhat" outdated Marantz AV8802a. I say somewhat because I'm able to play video games in 4K @120hz via enhanced ARC, and I still have all the audio channels I need for my surround setup. I noticed a significant quality increase from my previous marantz AV7702 as in the 8802a was not only more detailed but also did so by sounding smoother in the treble overall. My music listening is done via dedicated 2 channel preamps now, but I will say music through the 8802a sounded very good for a home theater pre/pro.
I can't speak for the 8802 in particular, but I did have the Marantz AV7706. The AVM90 is significantly better than the AV7706 IMO. I compared the AVM70 to the AV7706 and much preferred the AVM70. With that in mind, my gut tells me the AVM90 would be noticeably better than the 8802. But since I have never heard the 8802, take that with a grain of salt.
@@SpecOfTech Yeah im just not sure. The 8802 was a pretty big difference from the 7000 series at the time. Either way, I'm happy with my system until I have to make a move out of necessity. For movies and gaming it's more than "good enough" and music I'm always using a separate 2 channel preamp anyways. It's always fun to compare nonetheless!
Any chance you could compare the Anthem MRX 740 using preouts only versus the AVM70? I know it’s only $500 difference, but that’s my current deciding factor.
Sorry, I no longer have the AVM70, and I don't have the means to buy the MRX740 at the moment. I have heard complaints about the fan noise in the MRX models, I would personally recommend the AVM70 if it's in the budget.
the avm 90 sounds good right out of the box, my question that is if you believe in burn in for pre amps, will it even sound better after say 100 hours of play time?
I don't personally subscribe to the whole electronic component burn in thing. I do feel that some speakers require a burn in period, but I don't think that it takes anywhere near the time that the manufacturers state.
Emotiva does have slightly more channel separstion and clarity, but there UI is buggy. Their Dorac setup is clinky with and added donglento make it work. If sound quality is priority #1, Emotiva. If usability and smooth operation is also very important, get the AVM70.
70 sounds very “boring” compared to 90 , 90 sounds like its louder and Way more bass on the 90 . both on movies and Music. Listening on my Perlisten R5T/R5C /2x D12s subs . There is a substanticial difference in sound with the demos you are showing us. i Think its a calibration difference . My Living room is shaking on the AVM90s demos
Great video but I couldn't really hear any difference on my laptop and the little bluetooth speaker here in my hotel room. I don't really have any use for the additional features of the 90 like the four subwoofer channels or automatic room correction. I normally don't use subwoofer outputs anyway, I just use the miniDSP to create the subwoofer channels and I do the EQ manually. As for sound quality differences I would need to hear both myself to determine if I could hear a difference and I would need someone to test me with blind test. I know a lot of audiophiles and I know how easy it is for audiophiles to imagine or exaggerate sound, "improvements" whether they exist or not. Not saying you don't hear the improvements you hear, just that I've seen it too many times and experienced it myself. Years ago at a CES show someone told us our speakers would sound much better if we would just drive them with those nice tube amplifiers we had sitting off to the side. Later when they came back, we had it set up to look like we were using the tube amplifiers but were still using the solid state. Still, somehow they heard a, "huge improvement" in the sound. It's just the nature of the hobby unfortunately. My old AVM60 is working again, I just took the top off and put it back on and it started working so I didn't have to send it back to Anthem. While I don't really like the company due to less than impressive experiences with their customer support, I do like their products. Years ago I had the AVM20 then the D2 and now the AVM60 and I like the user interface on all. I have a Marantz AV7705 downstairs and don't really like the interface at all. So despite not liking Anthem as a company I'll probably end up with an AVM70 to replace the 60. I will consider the 90 however, you might be right, it may actually sound noticeably better. Of course by the time I finish building the darn theater those may be obsolete and I'll be watching your video comparing the latest models to decide on one of those.
I would have liked to do blind testing, but it's really difficult in a home setting on a pre/pro. Without a lot of work and extra gear added to the signal path, you can't really switch quickly between 2 processors. On the other hand I do have a nice setup for switching between speakers for blind A/B. You aren't wrong, when not doing A/B people can be susceptible to preconceived biases. Next time try using a good pair of headphones or your system at home for listening to the demos. I know that RUclips is not the greatest way to demo something, but differences can be heard. Even though my equipment, my room and your device affect the sound, not to mention RUclips compressing it. It does lesson the the gap between these 2 processors, but I assure you, the AVM90 is noticeably better.
I haven't had McIntosh, so I can't really speak from experience on that one. I do know someone who changed from McIntosh amps to Anthem amps, because he found the Anthem amps to sound better, but that isn't exactly the same thing.
Lots of guys like them 🤷♂️, so I do them, but always with a disclaimer. I am working on getting upgraded recording equipment, to at least give the best demo I can on here...keeping in mind RUclips compresses it.
Lots of guys like demos though 🤷🏻♂️. I understand the reasoning behind not watning them, but differences can still be heard if you use good headphones or your system to listen.
I thought so too, when I first listened to the demos in earbuds. But I was able to hear some things that were helpful to me on my desktop monitors. I know I can't hear what Barrett hears, but I still think it was helpful as a comparison between two sources.
@@TubePowered agreed...Demos are better than hearing nothing. You just have to know you are not trying to hear how good it sounds, as it's impossible unless you are in his room. What you are listening for is small differences...if it was level matched, and mic in the same spot it can help.
@@SpecOfTech when I watch a Spec of Tech video, I always use my V-Moda Crossfade 2 Codex over the ear headphones and you absolutely hear a difference between the comparison demo. Sure it isn't the same as being in the room, but the difference is clear. The one thing I would prefer is an audio notification when you switch in the demo as I prefer to listen with my eyes closed and with the change in the track or is hard to notice depending on where it is in the song. A single beep for the first until and a double beep for the second and then I can focus on the actual comparison and less peeking for new words on the screen.
I'm considering an AVM 70 because of the price, as a front end for the NAD M28 I want to drive my 7 Focal Chora 826's. If I had that money to drop I'd PREFER a NAD M17 to have a matched set but the price is too much, so, it seems either an Emotiva or AVM 70 is more in my price range, and as buggy as Emotiva's seem to be, I'd rather not have to deal with that and so the AVM 70 seems the best bet.
I dont get why you did a demo comparing 70 to 90 on RUclips? How would anyone be able to objectively hear the difference through their tv/ phone speakers ? Anyone whos saying they can notice a difference while listening to an atmos track through youtube, thats compressed and in stereo? Thats just delusional.
I could explain why you are mostly wrong in that statement, but my experience is that trying to explain things to someone who has left a comment like yours, is usually a waste of time. Let me know if it's worth my time to engage in discussion.
I can hear the difference on my computer which has KEF LSX speakers. The difference would be hard to hear on a cell phone, but with decent computer speakers you can at least tell that there is a discernable difference between 70 and 90. Therefore demos like these have value.
I have the AVM90 and absolutely love it! Love the videos brother, keep up the good work!
Thanks Scott, much appreciated. I love my AVM90 as well, it performs amazing for music and movies, perfect balance IMO...cheers.
@@SpecOfTech Barrett i have a question for you. I went from a AVM70 4k to a AVM90 running ARC1.7.4 on both units. Both units are on the most current firmware. I went play some content and i noticed that it was a lot louder. I compared ARC files. While the measurements look really similar. I noticed that the AVM90 speaker levels were 6-7db higher than where they were set for the AVM70. Did you notice anything like that when you upgraded? Thanks in advance. Edward
I will chime here on my experience. I initially had an NAD M17 V2i with the NAD M28 with M&K S150 IIIs across the front stage. The sound was crystal clear, detailed. One of my HDMI ports went bad, so I sold the unit.
I then bought and hooked up the Anthem AVM 70 8K. The sound was fuller and had a larger soundstage, but not as clear and a smidge less detail. Then I returned that unit and went to the AVM 90. The AVM 90 was definitely clearer than the AVM 70, while still having a large soundstage, fuller sound and just as much detail as the M17. Looking back and remembering the M17, it sounded thinner than the AVM 90. I consider the AVM 90 as the end game processor for now.
Just got my AVM 70 8K 3 days ago. Guys, AVM 70 8K (hdmi 2.1 4k 120)is sooo worth it. I set up my 9.2.6 & trust me for $4k it's so awesome. I only need 2 subs. ARC was a breeze(after 3 hrs) this is my 1st Anthem, coming from denon X4700h. Go buy it you won't regret
That's some endorsement lol, I agree, the AVM70 is an amazing unit!
@Spec Of Tech At first I really thought it couldn't get any better than 7.2.4. I thought I wouldn't hear any chan separation with 15 speakers but I was wrong. Sound is everywhere. If I had 8k to play with I would've brought the 90 but I paid for 70k in 3 installments through Crutchfield so im very happy.
Still working out work the avm 70, I also have the denon 4700 and I want more channels
AVM70 comment update. I had this processor paired with one of the two major entry level brand amps. $2,200. (11ch) They call the Amp an "Audiophile quality" but i just found out my sound suffered with the BW 702 S2. I have just now paired the processor with an Anthem MCA325. What a difference! Better detail and tighter bass. If you are going to buy a processor, pair it with a decent Amp or buying it doesn't make much sense.
Fantastic, Video. Well Done. Finally a Video done right
Thank you, I appreciate that. I'm glad you found it helpful.
Listening to your music samples through a desktop computer with small Tannoy powered monitors, I hear more clarity and detail in the bass for the AVM90 over the AVM70. I hear the same above the bass level, but it's less noticeable. For the movie samples, both sound good (considering how I'm experiencing the audio), but it seems like I'm hearing more of what I expect to hear from the AVM90, given what I'm seeing on screen. The AVM90 lets me hear what I couldn't hear with he AVM70. That's alway what I hope for if I'm going to spend more money. Both are pleasing, but it's amazing to hear things in your favorite sources you've never heard before.
Thanks for the video; I've been waiting for it since your review of the AVM90. I like your description and characterizations of your experience. You gave me a good feel for what double-the-cost would provide. I like your take on it: the AVM70 is a great experience, but if the budget allows and you want it to be even better, consider the AVM90. Maybe I'll find out! Thanks again.
I'm happy you found the video helpful, and thanks for watching. That's exactly it, if you have the budget, get the AVM90...if not, get the AVM70 and still be VERY satisfied. Let me know if you end up going with the AVM90, I always love to hear the thoughts and opinions of others as well.
As always… great video review. The colored lighting representing one of the other is a great touch.
Thanks brother, I appreciate the support!
much needed video by all the potential new buyers or people who are thinking of upgrading from their current processor/receiver. thx for making it. i bought avm90, skipped the avm70 when upgrading from avm60. - and wondered if i had spent too much since i never had experienced the avm70. love the 90 in all aspects and the best processor i have owned to date - very mature platform compared to its launch date. I hop people watch this video on a neutral and well balanced playback setup, and NOT on an their phones.
Thanks brother, I really do hope it helps those shopping for one or the other.
Hey. Nice videos. I am out here in the burbs of Toronto. I hear more bass on the 90 than the 70. Are you sure things were matched? I can't imagine the 90 putting out so much more bass. Listening on both my setup in my home theatre via youtube from a firestick with full range PSB tower front centre right and a Mirage BPS-400 subwoofer with zero calibration and on my headphones from my laptop I notice a significant increase in bass on the 90 vs the 70 with and without you using ARC in the last clip. It seems like a very large rather pronounced difference. In the Brooklyn and the Bridge example, it seems like the bass is completely missing with the 70 vs the 90. Are you sure everything was level matched? At first I thought it was because you were using 4 subwoofers which you had independent control over to calibrate with the 90 but it seems like even without ARC the bass seemed almost as if it was absent with the 70. Was there any calibration done to the 70 and 90 when you did not have ARC engaged? I am looking at upgrading my very old Marantz AV7005 prepro one day to another Marantz like an AV7704, 7706, 8802 or 8805 etc but I am also considering the AVM 70. I think the 90 is out of my price range at almost $9k plus cad!. Great videos. Keep up the good work.
Nice video as always. You might want to double check the DAC’s used in the AVM70 - pretty sure they switched to an ESS DAC for that too post the AKM factory fire
Yes sire, the did end up having to switch to ESS DACs on the AVM70 later on in their production due to the fire. At the start of the AVM70 production they were using the AKM DACs, and for this video i had an early production model.
@@SpecOfTech so do they have the same DAC now? or different ESS model?
@@Keithwithfever avm 70 now has six of ESS ES9010K2M SABER low power hyperstream stereo dac
@@carlosr.2027 It's better than AKM
Nice video, I’m listening to this review with my new AirPods Pro 2 with spatial audio and this is what I heard. Yes the avm90 for movies sounded better. Avm90 opened up the speakers with better clarity and crispness. The avm70 made movies sound muffled. Both did good with music, both sounded better with arc off. Bass sounded bloated with arc on for music. Avm90 is worth it if you wanting the clearest, cleanest sound.
Thanks for the input Mike. I am hoping to upgrade my recording equipment in hopes of getting better clearer results for demos. In the future I hope the differences are even more noticeable, even after RUclips compresses it of course.
"The AVM 70 made movies sound muffled" - yeah buddy, sure it did. Moron.
recently upgraded from the anthem avm 70 to the avm 90. Its hard to explain other than the avm 90 just has more detail and the separation is crazy. I thought the 70 was great, but the 90 is just on another level. You basically explained in the video everything i heard in person. Is it worth double the cost? I guess that depends on who you ask, but for me it was well worth the investment.
Thank you for the input brother.
Been waiting for this video, I listened comparison, I am sure it should sound differently in person, however I don’t feel like minimal sound difference worth paying double. I have avm 70, and I am happy with it, only thing at this moment is should get it upgraded for hdmi 2.1, Anthem asking $550 and you pay for shipping yourself….
I guess that is reasonable considering the what you are getting on the upgrade...that depends on how much shipping is I suppose. I have no doubt the sound differences are more noticeable in person than over a compressed RUclips video. The AVM70 is a fantastic performer though, so no need for any FOMO over the AVM90.
It would be interesting to see a Trinnov vs AVM90 comparison video. As the difference between the 70 and 90 is audible, will the trinnov at more than double the price make an audible difference.
I would love to compare the 2. Do you still have your Trinnov unit 😉?
@@SpecOfTech yes i do but obviously it is the ALT32 so the dac is different than the ALT16. But will still be a good comparison either way
@@Limpit_ca If you ever want to make that happen, just let me know a time and place...cheers. I think the community would love a video like that.
Where did you get a trinnov at double the price of an avm90? I priced them out a few weeks ago, locally in Toronto, the alt 16 was $26k I believe with the alt32 coming in closer to $40k
@@SpecOfTech anytime is good for me. How can i direct message you so we can go from there.
Could you tell me which power amps you use with the AVM90? To provide 7 channels with Anthem is see you’d need to have the 2 channel and 5 channel power amps?
Great video as always!
Thanks man, I appreciate your support my friend.
AVM 70 8K is absolutely perfect. Readable interface. The AVM 90 is better but not $3700 worth. I have a 9.2.6 in my(18.14) livingroom & have excellent sound & chan separation. Totally worth the $4k
The AVM70 is a fantastic piece, and you’re right, it’s definitely worth its price. I love the fact that if you do want a bump in sound, the AVM90 is there to fill that need. At the same time, can understand their are those with the opinion it isn’t worth the extra cost. We all have different preferences and budgets.
Thank you for sharing your reviews. I just got my AVM 90. Sounds great. Just working on getting the bass how I like it.
Glad you enjoyed it. What about your bass do you feel needs changing? Are you familiar enough with ARC to make those changes?
@@SpecOfTech Bass just seems flat like it needs to be turned up. While running ARC it had me turn the bass down quite a bit. I've got a peak at the 40hz-ish area. I’m new to ARC, so I'm just playing with it. Any suggestions? Running a 7.3.4.
@@rockenjoshydid you get the bass fixed?
@@Snskch3 Yes, I did! I just kept playing with it until I was happy! ARC is pretty intuitive.
If one does more stereo listening, it would be interesting to see how the AV90 performance compares to a decent dedicated stereo integrated such as a Acram SA10. I rather have the best stereo performance at reasonable listening levels and “good enough” surround sound. Maybe a X3700 and a SA10 makes more sense then going all in on a processor.
Glad you enjoy the AVM90 - wish I had the budget for one too :).
Thanks brother. They are a great unit. The AVM70 gets you about 80% there, if that is within the budget.
great video as always 👍
But buddy you really need to make room treatment your next purchase, honestly the difference it makes can not be overstated !!
After calibrating my room with the Trinnov, my room is too "dead" as is, but maybe some diffusers could help that. I do plan on treating my room, but purchasing gear for review always takes precedent, right now I can't afford to do both.
@@SpecOfTech How is it possible that your room is to dead?
Because of what?
Trinnov can’t do what an absorber does.
A ground rule is 15% of all surface have absorbers.
@@BigStreetCinema The Trinnov tells you what the reverb in your room is. I can't remember what the ideal reverb number is off the top of my head, but according to that, my room was more dead than what is recommended. Due to the design of the room, and l everything I have around the room etc.
I am going off of what the gent with the Trinnov explained based on that measurement. But I can also tell by using the clap test, my room does not have a lot of echo at all...hence why I have prolonged getting treatments. I am not denying I probably need them to help in some areas, but my room already isn't an echo chamber like some others.
@@SpecOfTech Look at professional installs and how much panels they have and still not dead at all.
So something very strange here 😅
@@BigStreetCinema There is nothing strange, every room is different.
Great comparison bro
Thanks man, Merry Christmas to you and your beautiful family...cheers.
Now we need to see the AVM90 vs the Marantz AV10
I would love to compare them, but it isn’t easy getting companies like Marantz to send products.
You did a nice job there. I am using Marantz AV 8805, Marantz MM8077 with Monitor Audio PL300 in stereo mode, bi amped without subwoofer, the AVM sounded punchier & more extended.
Thank you.
Thank you for this great video!!! I got the RMC1L it sounds great but it has an static popping noise that bothers me. I think it was a big mistake buying it. I just place my order for the AVM 90. I hope to have a better luck.
Same here. I just got my AVM 90 to replace my RMC-1L. Sent the RMC back to emotiva. The RMC sounded great but the AVM 90 is noticeably better. So clear and crisp.
I don't think you will be disappointed. The Emotiva processors do sound good, they are just too buggy.
As with all things you buy value is personal. At some point opportunity costs come into play. What else could make the system better than getting the AVM90?
For me I answered it with a dedicated preamp with theatre bypass and separate 2 channel listening gear.
When I compare playing music using the avm70 and my 2 channel gear, they are both quite different. Different “flavours” and that gives me some variety. Ultimately 2 channel sounds better and I can continue to indulge in two hobbies at once.
Great video! AV processors are a very competitive market segment. Its brain damage with all the options. The day Anthem released the new AVM series, it changed the landscape in a good way. Style, performance, and tech. If I was looking for a new processor, it would be the AVM70 hands down. Has everything I would ever need for a (what I think) is a great price. The MRX series is awesome too, compared to the big box brands IMO. At the time when I was looking at a new processor, I chose the NAD M17v2, which I really like. BluOs streaming built in, and Dirac. The AVM series was not quite available yet. The NAD is somewhat old school compared to the Anthem. Much simpler, basic even. It has just what is necessary. I have heard both the AVM 70 and 90... both are stellar units. If I sold the NAD, the AVM70 would be my choice.
The NAD you unit you have sounds amazing. The DIRAC room cal also did an excellent job EQ'ing your subwoofers in your space...can't go wrong with NAD.
@@SpecOfTech The NAD is great, and works flawlessly. But I still feel that it's behind the times. The on screen menu's, the tweak options, only 2 sub outs not independent, just don't compare. Simple in comparison. It sounds really really good tho😁
Great video
I can hear an improvement, but not with the bass so unless that shows up in the room, I don't see the avm90 being worth twice the prices, $1500 more? Sure. A MiniDSP will handle you 4 subs almost as good so if it were my money, I would get the AVR70, and put the extra $4500 into even better amps or better projector. Even upgraded speakers or subs. I think the $4500 would improve one's overall experience more than upgrading from the 70 to the 90. I also rarely listen to lossless music so that also affects my decision.
Great video Barret, like alwaya
I went from the 70 to the 90 and the difference in the bass is noticeable especially in the mid bass also everything movies and music just sounds more open and airy and even RUclips music and videos sound more crisp and punchy which the avm70 didn’t seem to do as well imo it’s worth every penny
AVM70 or AVM90 would you still recommend using a miniDSP 2x4HD and using only 1 sub pre-out?
I have an MRX1140 and for some reason I find it quiet if not using post processing. Have ya heard of this?
Hear a difference. I know it’s even more more in person. that price jump in serious though! If I had a theatre I would splurge.
Are you using MiniDSP's for the subs? Is the room correction used for full range on all speakers? In Marantz receivers you can limit the correction to 300-500Hz depending on your preference/room. So all high frequencies are untouched.
I do have a minidsp, but I wasn't using it. This was a comparison of the processors, so even if I had the minidsp connected I would have removed it for this comparison. I want to show what the unit is capable of without any help from outside devices/software. Anthem Room Correction, has the exact capabilities as Audyssey in that regard. You can control how low it EQ's and how high. I did not have the speakers in full range, they were crossed over at 80hz.
Nice review. Maybe to make things more interesting, can include used pre/pro for comparisons. For example new avm 90 vs used stormaudio mk1 as price wise very similar.
Do you happen to have a used StormAudio you willing to send for comparison?
@@SpecOfTech I am sorry I do not have one. Just try to give you an idea comparing new avr with used avr. Not necessary between avm90 and stormaudio mk1. Thank you.
Which Anthem would you choose for two channel with 4 subs? I don’t watch any movies in that room but want the best sound possible. Thoughts?
Do you want all 4 subs to be calibrated by the processor? If so, you should go with the AVM90. A great 2 channel option would be the Anthem STR integrated, but it does not have 4 subwoofer outputs. I know a guy who had the STR integrated and sold it after getting the AVM90, he said the AVM90 sounded just as good.
@@SpecOfTech thanks for the advice. I was told to go with the AVM90 from my local shop but just thought it was a little over kill since I wouldn’t be using it for movies etc. I’ll definitely look into it now. Thanks! 🙏🏼
Keep up the great work 👍🏼
There are much crazier equipment to choose from if you only want 2 channels. Why limit yourself to Anthem?
Which one is better? Anthem AVM 90 or Arcam AV41? What are the differences do you guys think?
Thanks for the comparison video. How does AVM90 compare to Emotiva RMC-1L in sound?
It's tough to say, I haven't had a whole lot of time with the RMC-1L, and I didn't have time to run Dirac on it. My first impression (out of the box) is that the RMC is on par when it comes to clarity, maybe even slightly better.
@@SpecOfTech thank you for the response I really like the sound quality of RMC-1L. Keep aside bugs like HDMI switching. I had an issue with Dirac but it is sorted now.
Based on your response I think I’m going to keep my RMC-1L for sometime now.
Just received My AVM 70 Can't wait moving From A Yamaha 3080 receiver. Should be Big Upgrade. With That said Love your Videos I just need to k what Rack mount system is that? Thanks for your Videos.
Hey man, thanks for support. I am just using shelves within a 24U rack. That way I don't need any rack mount kits for my gear, I just put them on a shelf, which I can space vertically however I want.
You are going to love the upgrade. I had the Marantz 7705 and to me it was missing something. Once I traded up to the AVM70. OMG 😆. Everything, movie and music was that much more punchy, clean & crisp. Totally Enjoy 😉 it. Congrats
@@Lbmwm3 Thanks Bud Appreciate The Feedback.
I recently upgraded from AVM60 to AVM70 and am delighted. I have a Yamaha 3080 in the bedroom which I’m also delighted with. Separates are great but I’d just temper expectations on anything suddenly becoming a revelation.
Why did you recorded the sound demo comparisons in mono???
I'd be curious how the AVM 90 sound compares to my "somewhat" outdated Marantz AV8802a. I say somewhat because I'm able to play video games in 4K @120hz via enhanced ARC, and I still have all the audio channels I need for my surround setup. I noticed a significant quality increase from my previous marantz AV7702 as in the 8802a was not only more detailed but also did so by sounding smoother in the treble overall. My music listening is done via dedicated 2 channel preamps now, but I will say music through the 8802a sounded very good for a home theater pre/pro.
I can't speak for the 8802 in particular, but I did have the Marantz AV7706. The AVM90 is significantly better than the AV7706 IMO. I compared the AVM70 to the AV7706 and much preferred the AVM70. With that in mind, my gut tells me the AVM90 would be noticeably better than the 8802. But since I have never heard the 8802, take that with a grain of salt.
@@SpecOfTech Yeah im just not sure. The 8802 was a pretty big difference from the 7000 series at the time. Either way, I'm happy with my system until I have to make a move out of necessity. For movies and gaming it's more than "good enough" and music I'm always using a separate 2 channel preamp anyways. It's always fun to compare nonetheless!
Any chance you could compare the Anthem MRX 740 using preouts only versus the AVM70?
I know it’s only $500 difference, but that’s my current deciding factor.
Sorry, I no longer have the AVM70, and I don't have the means to buy the MRX740 at the moment. I have heard complaints about the fan noise in the MRX models, I would personally recommend the AVM70 if it's in the budget.
Percentage wise, how much better is the sound with the AVM90?
That's a tough question. It was instantly noticeable for me, so I would venture to say somewhere around 15-20%...ish.
@@SpecOfTech That’s awesome, and a big jump in performance. Thanks for the comparisons.
Do you have experience with anthem STR pre and power amps?
Did you notice any difference on background noise (noise floor) between the 2?
No, I can't say I did. They both seemed the same to me.
Does the anthem 90 or the anthem 70 have presence channels ?
Sorry, what do you mean by presence channels?
the avm 90 sounds good right out of the box, my question that is if you believe in burn in for pre amps, will it even sound better after say 100 hours of play time?
I don't personally subscribe to the whole electronic component burn in thing. I do feel that some speakers require a burn in period, but I don't think that it takes anywhere near the time that the manufacturers state.
Hi, What speakers are you using for Height/Atmos
I am using Klipsch AW650 outdoor speakers.
Does the AVM 70 have DTSx pro now or will it in the future? Thanks
Currently it does not have DTS:X Pro, but there is intentions to add it in the future.
Emotive rmc1L is 3000 dollars now and the 4k anthem av70 is on sale for 3000 dollars. Which one would you pick?
Emotiva does have slightly more channel separstion and clarity, but there UI is buggy. Their Dorac setup is clinky with and added donglento make it work. If sound quality is priority #1, Emotiva. If usability and smooth operation is also very important, get the AVM70.
@Spec Of Tech thanks for the reply and opinion, I was thinking the same as the rmc is there reference version, cant wait
To handle 4 subs, do we need AVM 90 or MiniDSP? What will do a better job? As far as I have heard, MiniDSP is the best
I would say, from my experience, that a Minidsp will do a better job of a flat response at the MLP.
ok i think i found my next processor
Are you from Calgary, AB?? I'm red deer
I am from Calgary, small world. Thanks for watching brother!
Ops...No Auro 3D and DTS:X-Pro 😏
The 90 is definitely cleaner & more detailed than the 70 but, twice the money is just crazy.
Is math that difficult?
@@mikelary88 People chasing that last bit of performance don't think so. Math is irrelevant to them.
70 sounds very “boring” compared to 90 , 90 sounds like its louder and Way more bass on the 90 .
both on movies and Music. Listening on my Perlisten R5T/R5C /2x D12s subs . There is a substanticial difference in sound with the demos you are showing us.
i Think its a calibration difference . My Living room is shaking on the AVM90s demos
Great video but I couldn't really hear any difference on my laptop and the little bluetooth speaker here in my hotel room. I don't really have any use for the additional features of the 90 like the four subwoofer channels or automatic room correction. I normally don't use subwoofer outputs anyway, I just use the miniDSP to create the subwoofer channels and I do the EQ manually.
As for sound quality differences I would need to hear both myself to determine if I could hear a difference and I would need someone to test me with blind test. I know a lot of audiophiles and I know how easy it is for audiophiles to imagine or exaggerate sound, "improvements" whether they exist or not. Not saying you don't hear the improvements you hear, just that I've seen it too many times and experienced it myself. Years ago at a CES show someone told us our speakers would sound much better if we would just drive them with those nice tube amplifiers we had sitting off to the side. Later when they came back, we had it set up to look like we were using the tube amplifiers but were still using the solid state. Still, somehow they heard a, "huge improvement" in the sound. It's just the nature of the hobby unfortunately.
My old AVM60 is working again, I just took the top off and put it back on and it started working so I didn't have to send it back to Anthem. While I don't really like the company due to less than impressive experiences with their customer support, I do like their products. Years ago I had the AVM20 then the D2 and now the AVM60 and I like the user interface on all. I have a Marantz AV7705 downstairs and don't really like the interface at all. So despite not liking Anthem as a company I'll probably end up with an AVM70 to replace the 60. I will consider the 90 however, you might be right, it may actually sound noticeably better. Of course by the time I finish building the darn theater those may be obsolete and I'll be watching your video comparing the latest models to decide on one of those.
I would have liked to do blind testing, but it's really difficult in a home setting on a pre/pro. Without a lot of work and extra gear added to the signal path, you can't really switch quickly between 2 processors. On the other hand I do have a nice setup for switching between speakers for blind A/B.
You aren't wrong, when not doing A/B people can be susceptible to preconceived biases. Next time try using a good pair of headphones or your system at home for listening to the demos. I know that RUclips is not the greatest way to demo something, but differences can be heard. Even though my equipment, my room and your device affect the sound, not to mention RUclips compressing it. It does lesson the the gap between these 2 processors, but I assure you, the AVM90 is noticeably better.
Avm 90 vs EMOTIVA RMC1L?
AVM90 no question. It sounds amazing and isn't buggy like the Emotiva.
Now this is a little more like it🔥🔥❤❤😭
I hope you enjoyed it Tristan, thanks for always supporting the channel brother. Merry Christmas to you and yours!
@@SpecOfTech same to you and yours Barrett ❤❤
Who cares how many sub outs there are! Use a mini DSP HD and have all subs (2-4) working as one virtual sub.
The 70 sounded bright vs the 90 ,
What's with the 16:9 nonsense, where's the scope, sound is distorted, must be my tinny phone speaker.
The 90 was thicker with much more bass.
how does the avm90 compare to the McIntosh?
I haven't had McIntosh, so I can't really speak from experience on that one. I do know someone who changed from McIntosh amps to Anthem amps, because he found the Anthem amps to sound better, but that isn't exactly the same thing.
ive never really understood the point of sound demos on youtube. all your going to hear is what ever your listening on anyways
Lots of guys like them 🤷♂️, so I do them, but always with a disclaimer. I am working on getting upgraded recording equipment, to at least give the best demo I can on here...keeping in mind RUclips compresses it.
@@SpecOfTech don’t get me wrong you do an amazing job and I love watching your videos and demos.
@@thecanadianace All good brother, you aren't alone in thinking demos on RUclips are sort of counter intuitive lol.
@@SpecOfTech lol, I use them to discover some good songs or demos you use on my own system.
I could hear the difference from my speakers so this was enough for me to consider my options. I appreciated it.
Just my 2 cents but Ditch the demos. They are useless when listening through RUclips through our own equipment.
Lots of guys like demos though 🤷🏻♂️. I understand the reasoning behind not watning them, but differences can still be heard if you use good headphones or your system to listen.
I thought so too, when I first listened to the demos in earbuds. But I was able to hear some things that were helpful to me on my desktop monitors. I know I can't hear what Barrett hears, but I still think it was helpful as a comparison between two sources.
@@TubePowered agreed...Demos are better than hearing nothing. You just have to know you are not trying to hear how good it sounds, as it's impossible unless you are in his room. What you are listening for is small differences...if it was level matched, and mic in the same spot it can help.
Even via RUclips the difference is apparent for your room.
@@SpecOfTech when I watch a Spec of Tech video, I always use my V-Moda Crossfade 2 Codex over the ear headphones and you absolutely hear a difference between the comparison demo. Sure it isn't the same as being in the room, but the difference is clear.
The one thing I would prefer is an audio notification when you switch in the demo as I prefer to listen with my eyes closed and with the change in the track or is hard to notice depending on where it is in the song. A single beep for the first until and a double beep for the second and then I can focus on the actual comparison and less peeking for new words on the screen.
with all the respect to anthem product they are not at the level of trinnov;lyngdorf;storm-audio.
they are close but not at the same ligue.
I want to compare a Trinnov to the AVM90 one day, just to see how big the difference is, if any.
Nice equipmnent, however isn't playing those comparisons rather silly.
I'm considering an AVM 70 because of the price, as a front end for the NAD M28 I want to drive my 7 Focal Chora 826's. If I had that money to drop I'd PREFER a NAD M17 to have a matched set but the price is too much, so, it seems either an Emotiva or AVM 70 is more in my price range, and as buggy as Emotiva's seem to be, I'd rather not have to deal with that and so the AVM 70 seems the best bet.
I dont get why you did a demo comparing 70 to 90 on RUclips?
How would anyone be able to objectively hear the difference through their tv/ phone speakers ?
Anyone whos saying they can notice a difference while listening to an atmos track through youtube, thats compressed and in stereo?
Thats just delusional.
I could explain why you are mostly wrong in that statement, but my experience is that trying to explain things to someone who has left a comment like yours, is usually a waste of time. Let me know if it's worth my time to engage in discussion.
@@SpecOfTech sad but true :). I also wanted to reply to few of those comments but gave up.
I can hear the difference on my computer which has KEF LSX speakers. The difference would be hard to hear on a cell phone, but with decent computer speakers you can at least tell that there is a discernable difference between 70 and 90. Therefore demos like these have value.
Easy. Have a good pair of speakers and open your ears. I could hear the difference.