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I’ve been doing this for a very long time and though I worked in authentication for a short time I can’t guarantee it but that box seems very tampered with in multiple ways. Let me know if even 1 Jordan comes out
I see the Jordan’s came out but they are all no bueno. The duplicates were printed what looks like at diff times and Something seems off with the multiples that appeared ?? Idk 🤷♂️
Every pack you open in the 86 Fleer was fire(other then the last pack). Both of the Barkleys are in awesome shape and great centering, and the Hakeem was also in great shape. Not to mention those packs also had Bird and Magic in it. I would def grade those Barkley and Hakeem cards if I was the winner.
@@PackmanCards the scammers wouldn’t do that, guess they were lucky to get 3 low grade Jordan’s out of that lol. BBCE improved though no GI Joe cards 😂. Wouldn’t be surprised if the chrome was searched as well.
I’ve never opened this stuff before so wasn’t sure how the configuration was supposed to be despite it being odd. Regardless, gonna see what I can find out about all this and will update you guys if I find any info
@@PackmanCards I'm sure that the purchasers of the box have contacted Steve Hart - since there's video evidence that the box was opened on stage and it falls back to Hart to make good on this? Not sure what else "can" be done about it. I'm more than confident you had nothing to do with it.
I cant believe those Jordan's are 7,7,6. That's definitely psa trying to control pop count. I thought 8 would be the lowest if possible and that last one being a at least a 9. Centering looked pretty good.
The box was repackaged. They put low grade Jordan's in there to make it look good. The problem is they didn't repackage the cards in the correct collation, and were dumb enough to make them all sequential. This was fraud.
Does anyone else think those 86 fleer looked like they were probably gone thru before. Shouldn't they have been sequenced and not have duplicates like that in the same packs?
@@barrywolf2145 Wrong. Every pack was sequential, which is not how this product was produced. The gum fell off everything, there was one pack that had multiple duplicates. Someone went through the box and replaced the key cards with lower grades thinking they would never get found. The idiots didn't think that they needed to repack the cards in the correct order.
@@barrywolf2145 wrong it’s proven it was a scam, whatnot has some explaining to do lol, all these influencers were playing it off too, I’m sure they were in on it
I’ve never opened this stuff before so while it was odd, just assumed it may have been like that sometimes. Regardless, did some digging and will share the info today on IG!
Those 86FL were odd packs, first 2 were almost identical; third one had several doubles. If you press in you can sometimes see the back sticker name, perhaps look to see if theres 2-3 Jordan back stickers in the box. Nice to get 2 Barkley's. I'm working on signed sets of 86 FL basketball and 91 Desert Shield baseball (partial), with Fleer it's a 1/12 shot at a Jordan RC and 1/11 shot at a sticker of him; so those packs are fire; not a pack buyer but DS cards are better bought direct even though there's over 100 living stars in the set (I have both Ken Griffey Jr cards expected shortly which will finish the part of the set I planned; no Gwynn/Puckett/Bonds but otherwise pretty heavy and if I sell it I can focus, lol.)
They were sealed and guarded by security 24/7 at the National! That would be like going to Washington Museum in DC and saying is fake Washington stuff there 🙄
Factory print glitches occurred often with Fleer back in the day. I remember Topps had the same issue with 1986 Hockey packs. You'd occasionally get double cards. The reason you don't see it as much. Alot of these packs are uncommon. Rare. Most people don't open them and if they do they've already been searched. The factory ones have glitches like this one. Double cards. Proper sequence. Where you always see a Larry Bird with a Charles Barkley or Johnny Moore or Chris Mullin. You always see Jordan with Clark Kellogg.
@@dfcj1499 No I’m just being a piece of shit. Maybe but probably not. Think they pulled 3 Jordan rookies out of the box which is pretty average and the crazy correlation packs are normal with these boxes.
@@Windrammer i know this is 2 years later but.... they usually open those boxes and take the jordans and such and replace them with ones of low condition
Something very odd with those '86 packs. All those Johnson's in a row is statistically impossible I believe and then that last pack with all those doubles. And if they only pulled 3 Jordan's outta the whole box, alarm bells should be ringing!
Hey Packman, I love your channel and appreciate your love for my Grizzlies. I hate to say it but this box was not authentic. Was the box that you showed in the promo the actual box you opened? The sequencing is all wrong, the cards didn’t always appear pack fresh, and you should never get multiple doubles of the same card in the same pack with 86 Fleer. The way the sheets were cut and packs were assembled simply wouldn’t allow it.
Thanks! Recently heard about all that stuff. Looking into it now and will let you guys know if I find out any info. Not sure on the answer to your question as of now either but will look into that too (if it was the same box)
@@PackmanCards The sequence to 86F's has been discussed for years on forums like PSA - finding them in alpha order should've been a big red flag to everyone involved in that rip.
I’m very late to this card game !! I’ve been watching around two weeks now , but I’m so excited !!! I have a lot of cards that I’ve had for years , and cards I’ve collected in the last 10 yrs . I have no idea what they are worth , I just kept them , just like all the comics I have , but had no idea they would be selling for some of the prices !! I’m trying to figure out what’s worth money & what’s not ; I have a lot of cards I have to look through. I’M A FAN NOW 💯
@@PackmanCards definitely not a thing, I’m sure you’re aware now, huge controversy not necessarily because someone lost money because it was a free break but if BBCE can’t authenticate sealed wax properly that’s a huge red flag, since they authenticate packs for PSA and other huge boxes and cases, just imagine how many altered packs and boxes were authenticated as real that were previously searched, whatnot spent big bucks off Goldin Auctions for this box too.
Seems like for the ‘86 packs they ordered the cards alphabetically. Would explain the many dupes, the 4 Johnsons in a row, and the last pack having Terry and Pat Cummings, Cooper, Chambers, Cheeks, all in an row. Thought you would’ve hit Jordan in the J pack you opened :((( sick opening though!
did you keep some packs cause the boxes were sealed then had some packs missing. Its cool just not as cool with some packs missing but who am I lol. Just wanted a better video than an opened box rip.
It was actually a giveaway event from the show, so several groups were invited to split the box and open some (like the clips at the end). I’d love to do a full box one day though!
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@LithuanianGeographer he opened a pack of eminence NFL! Can’t get much more high end than that haha
How about a 1952 Topps high number series wax box?
I’ve been doing this for a very long time and though I worked in authentication for a short time I can’t guarantee it but that box seems very tampered with in multiple ways. Let me know if even 1 Jordan comes out
I see the Jordan’s came out but they are all no bueno. The duplicates were printed what looks like at diff times and Something seems off with the multiples that appeared ?? Idk 🤷♂️
Great content!! 👍 As always.
Some collation shenanigans in those packs. Very odd.
Every pack you open in the 86 Fleer was fire(other then the last pack). Both of the Barkleys are in awesome shape and great centering, and the Hakeem was also in great shape. Not to mention those packs also had Bird and Magic in it. I would def grade those Barkley and Hakeem cards if I was the winner.
No Jordan, but happy we were able to pull some other big cards!
Sadly for the price of a box you only want that jordan.. and im grading condition
Sooo...does anyone want to talk about the "alphabetic" streaks in those 86-87 Fleer packs? I don't remember ever seeing that before. 🤨
Yes. It was searched and it’s all crooked. We will be blocked.
Very astute. I didn't remember the sequence number and variation but "knew" something was off when I saw them in alpha order. 👍
@@NYC-SA-Mike BBCE is making a joke of themselves
That's because it's never in a sealed box. That was a searched box
Now, whenever I see a BBCE wrap, I assume Steve Hart has already searched the box and replaced anything good in it.
Imagine that last pack with all the duplicate cards having two Jordans 😂
That would have to be the best pack ever made
@@PackmanCards the scammers wouldn’t do that, guess they were lucky to get 3 low grade Jordan’s out of that lol. BBCE improved though no GI Joe cards 😂. Wouldn’t be surprised if the chrome was searched as well.
Obviously a resealed box..and you know so packman..you should have called them out!
I’ve never opened this stuff before so wasn’t sure how the configuration was supposed to be despite it being odd. Regardless, gonna see what I can find out about all this and will update you guys if I find any info
@@PackmanCards I'm sure that the purchasers of the box have contacted Steve Hart - since there's video evidence that the box was opened on stage and it falls back to Hart to make good on this? Not sure what else "can" be done about it. I'm more than confident you had nothing to do with it.
I cant believe those Jordan's are 7,7,6. That's definitely psa trying to control pop count. I thought 8 would be the lowest if possible and that last one being a at least a 9. Centering looked pretty good.
The box was repackaged. They put low grade Jordan's in there to make it look good. The problem is they didn't repackage the cards in the correct collation, and were dumb enough to make them all sequential. This was fraud.
@@DroidsKickball correct
@@DroidsKickball fraud
100% There is a 66 card parallel sequence to the 86-87 fleet if you do a little googling.
They were put in there on purpose. That box was 100% searched
Olajuwon Rookie sticker..."that's not too bad", casually flips by a Barkley rookie...Packman not to up on vintage hoops?? Jeez
Blackmon is a rare card with high value as well
Does anyone else think those 86 fleer looked like they were probably gone thru before. Shouldn't they have been sequenced and not have duplicates like that in the same packs?
not with 3 jordans in the box, that was factory fresh
@@barrywolf2145 Wrong. Every pack was sequential, which is not how this product was produced. The gum fell off everything, there was one pack that had multiple duplicates. Someone went through the box and replaced the key cards with lower grades thinking they would never get found. The idiots didn't think that they needed to repack the cards in the correct order.
It was gone through. This isn't how the product was manufacturered.
Yup, someone else did a vid showing how these where reseals
@@barrywolf2145 wrong it’s proven it was a scam, whatnot has some explaining to do lol, all these influencers were playing it off too, I’m sure they were in on it
Bro your a Smart Guy why cant you admit that the Fleer Box is Bogus... NO WAY IT EVER GOES IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER!!!
I’ve never opened this stuff before so while it was odd, just assumed it may have been like that sometimes. Regardless, did some digging and will share the info today on IG!
That last pack was freaking brutal.
Great pulls, thanks for your participation in the event
So intense... That's hot if pull MJ 86 cards. wooooh....
Those 86FL were odd packs, first 2 were almost identical; third one had several doubles. If you press in you can sometimes see the back sticker name, perhaps look to see if theres 2-3 Jordan back stickers in the box. Nice to get 2 Barkley's. I'm working on signed sets of 86 FL basketball and 91 Desert Shield baseball (partial), with Fleer it's a 1/12 shot at a Jordan RC and 1/11 shot at a sticker of him; so those packs are fire; not a pack buyer but DS cards are better bought direct even though there's over 100 living stars in the set (I have both Ken Griffey Jr cards expected shortly which will finish the part of the set I planned; no Gwynn/Puckett/Bonds but otherwise pretty heavy and if I sell it I can focus, lol.)
That had to be so much fun. Got some really nice cards in 86. Was fun to watch. Great video
It was a blast! Can’t believe I got to open those packs
So close to 200k you deserve it!! Love the content, I hope you get to 1 million fast
Thanks!!! 🙌🏼❤️
Those packs had already been searched
They were sealed and guarded by security 24/7 at the National!
That would be like going to Washington Museum in DC and saying is fake Washington stuff there 🙄
@@emirkulovic713 they were searched and resealed before the show. See sports card radio videos on this.
I watched this live but didn't win. It was exciting either way. I'd have been happy with commons from 86 Fleer
T on olo
@@ThePlaybookUSA idk what your saying
Factory print glitches occurred often with Fleer back in the day. I remember Topps had the same issue with 1986 Hockey packs. You'd occasionally get double cards. The reason you don't see it as much. Alot of these packs are uncommon. Rare. Most people don't open them and if they do they've already been searched. The factory ones have glitches like this one. Double cards. Proper sequence. Where you always see a Larry Bird with a Charles Barkley or Johnny Moore or Chris Mullin. You always see Jordan with Clark Kellogg.
Keep the gum and pack together so they can reseal those packs for next year!
Possible repacks?
@@dfcj1499 No I’m just being a piece of shit. Maybe but probably not. Think they pulled 3 Jordan rookies out of the box which is pretty average and the crazy correlation packs are normal with these boxes.
@@Windrammer 10/4
@@Windrammer i know this is 2 years later but.... they usually open those boxes and take the jordans and such and replace them with ones of low condition
The irony of that last packs winners name being "enough said"
😂
200K! 🔥🔥🔥
That last pack was soooo suspect
Would love to see you open some older product more often!
U should of sleeved that Robert Parish!!
wow 4 Jordan’s, I remembered those packs too.
Congrats on 200k!
Thanks!!!
Saweet! Loved seeing it at the national - jake
Nice rips brotha! Thank you for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Something very odd with those '86 packs. All those Johnson's in a row is statistically impossible I believe and then that last pack with all those doubles. And if they only pulled 3 Jordan's outta the whole box, alarm bells should be ringing!
That last pack of fleer was in abc order
YES! Retro stuff! Thanks so much for opening these!!!!!
Gotta try some more!
That 36 year old gum must be amazing 😂
Hey Packman, I love your channel and appreciate your love for my Grizzlies. I hate to say it but this box was not authentic. Was the box that you showed in the promo the actual box you opened? The sequencing is all wrong, the cards didn’t always appear pack fresh, and you should never get multiple doubles of the same card in the same pack with 86 Fleer. The way the sheets were cut and packs were assembled simply wouldn’t allow it.
yep massive resealed scam. really sad, cant trust any vintage sealed these days.
Thanks! Recently heard about all that stuff. Looking into it now and will let you guys know if I find out any info. Not sure on the answer to your question as of now either but will look into that too (if it was the same box)
@@PackmanCards The sequence to 86F's has been discussed for years on forums like PSA - finding them in alpha order should've been a big red flag to everyone involved in that rip.
That last pack you opened was so weird I thought the box might be sus.. but then you casually throw out that there were 3 Jordans in the box. lol
I’m very late to this card game !! I’ve been watching around two weeks now , but I’m so excited !!! I have a lot of cards that I’ve had for years , and cards I’ve collected in the last 10 yrs . I have no idea what they are worth , I just kept them , just like all the comics I have , but had no idea they would be selling for some of the prices !! I’m trying to figure out what’s worth money & what’s not ; I have a lot of cards I have to look through. I’M A FAN NOW 💯
Hope you have fun collecting!!!
A close friend bought me a pack of 86 fleer in 2000. Iirc it was $60. Pulled an Isaiah Thomas and is my biggest memory of a pack opening.
The barkleys looked well centered.
Can't believe you pulled an MJ (Magic Johnson)!!!!!
Very good video amd fire packs aswell
Thanks!
1984 Star #101 is Jordan’s true rookie. Still a cool rip.
Insane hunt!
Crazy opening🔥🔥🔥
loved it great vid man wish i could be at the national!
Hope you can make it next year!
@@PackmanCards me too glad you responded!
Congrats just getting to open them man
Definitely a blessing!
Strange Fleer packs...5 Johnsons in a row and that Domonique Wilkins pack was weird
Some people say's it was re-sealed
What’s going on Pacman. Love your content
Appreciate the love! ❤️
pulling a 86 fleer jordan RC... never gets old
I had no idea there were even boxes of these still around
Was waiting for the upload. Good one man!
These are the best boxes in life -)
Imagine if that last pack had 2 Jordans.
Hey you got 4 whole pieces of GUM!!! 🔥
Jordan rookie is almost the same age as trying to get a mantle rookie in the early 90s
That last pack of fleer was kinda sus. But great video! Pack you never disappoint with the content
Thanks! Seemed odd to me but I’ve never opened that stuff before so not sure it that was a thing for this set
@@PackmanCards definitely not a thing, I’m sure you’re aware now, huge controversy not necessarily because someone lost money because it was a free break but if BBCE can’t authenticate sealed wax properly that’s a huge red flag, since they authenticate packs for PSA and other huge boxes and cases, just imagine how many altered packs and boxes were authenticated as real that were previously searched, whatnot spent big bucks off Goldin Auctions for this box too.
that is one sick Draw all the old time cards love the Jordan ,Charles Barkley,
Seeing all of those pulled was so much fun! Love the Hakeems as well
Charles Barkley, John Stockton keen Is Hakim a leisuoneyou know They're all hall of famers out of that class.
Almost 200k subs congratulations Pack man
Thanks!!
the players were packed alphabetically
We all know he follows Clark Kellog !
Seems like for the ‘86 packs they ordered the cards alphabetically. Would explain the many dupes, the 4 Johnsons in a row, and the last pack having Terry and Pat Cummings, Cooper, Chambers, Cheeks, all in an row. Thought you would’ve hit Jordan in the J pack you opened :((( sick opening though!
Wish the J pack had Jordan! 😭
Can you imagine getting doubles of Jordan in one pack?
That’d be insane!
Like Topps Chrome but Topps Finest was my all time fave
Love finest!
So close to 200k
😄🤞🏼
Jordan fleer 86 is my dream card! 🙌
Holy Grail!
Yesser 2hype
Definitely like the Olajuwon best .
Me too!
Eat the gum! Eat the gum! Eat the gum!
Dream to rip those packs
I was afraid for the card when they started going crazy
Bill Russell greatest basketball champion of all time he was a walking Ring
What treat real life bucket list moment
Definitely a blessing!
200k soon
🤞🏼😄
Wahoo lol...... the names had me crying bro
😂😭
would be funny if there were austin powers packs in there...
I was actually joking about that at the show lol. Was asking what would happen if GI Joe popped out of the first pack 😂
Nice pulls love the content keep it up!
Thanks!!
that last pack was glitched AF
That's cool
86 fleer is clearly repacked
The Chrome box was disappointing but entertaining nonetheless 👏🏿
I have that Dominique Wilkins sticker. Guy let me flip a coin between that and the Jordan sticker back in like 92, I was so close.
So close! But still a really cool card!
What do you do with the base cards you get
Heard that box was a repack! Bummer they pulled you into it. The sequence of the numbers and lots of alphabetical order. All the Johnsons in a row🤔
I did some digging and will share the info today on IG!
Fun fun
so this box of fleer wasn’t legit
Rest in peace Bill Russell
Johnson Johnson Johnson Johnson
Cummings Cummings 😆
Great observation. These cards are not collated in alpha/numerical order.
Of course it was those goobers and they FREAKED the fuck out
You are the best packman, you are awesome, I love your videos and you are the goat
Thanks! ❤️
199k wow
I would have done a table flip after that fourth pack of Fleer
Crazy that most Jordan’s pulled aren’t even an 8. I’m a very lucky man to own a Psa 8 Jordan
Congrats on owning that sick card!
@@PackmanCards thanks!
There are so many great cards in that Fleer box!! Great video!
Thanks!!
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Nice
These packs aren't following the 66 alternating sequence. Anybody know why?
Double Cummings... 🤣🤣🤣
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did you keep some packs cause the boxes were sealed then had some packs missing. Its cool just not as cool with some packs missing but who am I lol. Just wanted a better video than an opened box rip.
It was actually a giveaway event from the show, so several groups were invited to split the box and open some (like the clips at the end). I’d love to do a full box one day though!
This looks like a repack. Where there other jordans in the box besides the one mentioned?