Christian Terms in FFXIV Paladin Abilities
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"Roie" comes from German "Reue", meaning repentance or remorse. Ekusupiashion is just Expiacion spelled out in Japanese.
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I thought it might be from the French word "Roi" meaning "king". That word makes much more sense.
So as a knight appreciator, I will offer an explanation for Passage of Arms. As I understand, Passage of Arms or Pas d'Armes does refer to the kind of tournament combat you described, but also has a secondary connotation particularly in Chivalric Romances. It was used not just to describe that form of combat, but a kind of activity in knight errancy in which a knight would choose a location (crossroads, bridge, literal pass in the mountains) to defend and challenge any other knights who came along. It's the general trope you see a lot in some Arthurian stories where [insert Round Table Knight here] is travelling along and has to fight a random knight as a part of their quest. Or, more humorously, the Black Knight of Monty Python fame. With this in mind, the name makes a lot of sense, because it's in effect the WoL as one of these errant knights choosing to hold a position against all comers.
@@LightMageMike Thanks for that info. Interesting read.
The one quest was "This Little Sword of Mine", which is, I mean, well, it's basically a riff on "This little light of mine, I'm gonna let it shine."
Interesting video, I really enjoyed Paladin's aesthetic when raiding with it and was always curious about the context behind some of these abilities, Thanks for the insight!
There’s something about how JRPGs and specifically Final Fantasy will just lift terms from anywhere which I find fun. White Mage is all over the place which I love. It’s got Benediction and Plenary Indulgence from Christianity, Tetragrammaton from Kabbalah, Temperance which I assume comes from the four Christian cardinal virtues but which I associate more with tarot. This was such a cool video, I’d love to see more!
I was considering delving into White Mage actually. There are also ability names used by enemies and gear/items that references various aspects of Christianity and philosophy that is really cool to see.
1:45 - If you ever want to use or test or record video of using a skill that requires a second person and you don't have one - go out into the field and summon your Choco with some Gashyl Greens. I made a macro combining Intervention and Holy Sheltron into a single button and went to a target dummy (the ones outside Yilhimad in Thavnair) and tested it on my Choco. :D
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That said, "Paladin" is known just as "Knight" in jp. Which is interesting, since a Holy Knight job does already exist in FF, and in games semi-canon to 14 as well, being the Ivalice games. Templars also feature in my favorite FF, Bravely Default, with similarly divine-named skills and even just straight-up Rampart lol.
Pet all cats 🐱. Also that's interesting! Japan really does love seeing the Knight for sure just as westerners love seeing the Samurai.
PLD being named as simply Knight in the JP version is primarily why their ARR and HW kits are so mundane and also why the job’s story quest is rather mundane as well. In a way, it’s thanks to this mistranslation and the outcry by the Western fanbase that gave PLD its magical abilities starting in Stormblood.
@@J-manliit wasn’t misnamed, Knight has always been known as Paladin in western versions of FF games, as White Magic casting Heavy Armor fighters.
Ability names differ greatly between languages. Scholar comes to mind where the German words for Biolysis, Expediant and Emergency Tactics are "Causae et Curae" (an ancient book about treating afflictions), "Sturm und Drang" (a movement in literature) and "Apotropaion" (a magical artifact or image to ward of evil gods) respectively. This gets even worse when comparing spell names in Japanese where Scholar spells reference battle tactics, or so I was told.
So, it absolutely makes sense to look at ability names in all languages.
Spell names are also a good way to track how a job fantasy has changed over the years. Again, Scholar went all over the place while Paladin mostly kept its job fantasy in tact.
Also because Scholar and by extension, Summoner have seen gameplay changes too over time. I guess it's not easy trying to keep it all together in several languages
When you think in terms of knights duties in religion and their use in battle, the terms that are used aggressively make more sense. Killing your enemies can be seen as atonement. They are atoning for their sins with their life. As for confessing, sacrificing is tied to confession. In the Old Testament, you confessed your sin and sacrificed an animal. Your sin separates you from God and only by the taking of a life can your sin be cleansed and you brought back into God's presence. Nowadays, Christians don't have to sacrifice animals because Jesus' death on the cross is the ultimate sacrifice. Because he willingly went to the cross, sincere repentance and prayer are enough to bring you back in line with God. So when you think of that in terms of knighthood and think about "righteous" campaigns like the Crusades, knights are basically cleansing non-believers, forcing them to repent and atone with their lives. As for Passage of Arms, I think the literal interpretation you mentioned, No Weapons, works just fine. He's not using a weapon, he is being a shield protecting those behind him.
So being a player of FFXI, I recognize both Atonement and Expiacion from that game as weaponskills (special attacks you build up Tactical Points to use, similar to TP back in the old days as "melee/ranged MP"). Those were both Sword skills but Expiacion could only be used by Blue Mages, learned by upgrading the BLU Mythic, Tizona (yes, THAT Tizona, Raubahn's weapon). Atonement meanwhile could only be used by a Paladin and was learned from their Mythic weapon, Burtgang. They were likely chosen because they both made sense for nostalgia sake and both were terms meaning to cleanse sins, which Paladins do....by killing monsters. :3
La Tizona is one of the sacred swords of El Cid (set around 1000 BC but written in 1200 BC Castile) :)
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6:37 I think the connection is actually the MP Regen of both abilities. Perhaps your atonement is what gives you your MP back?
That's a good point
I can see atonement making some kinda sence, since it gives MP meaning you likely used it (to harm) and are asking for forgiveness, thus getting the MP back.
Expiacion meaning the same since it also has the give MP effect.
Now what would that mean, abusing your holy powers (mana spenders) results in the Paladin needing to atone before being able to use them again?
Never thought about it, good video. Enjoyed the cat.
I like this interpretation
hell yeah another gamer who has played a long time and only started unlocking new jobs right now before dawntrail. i unlocked black mage 2 weeks ago
There are two posible explanations why they used expiación (they are not exclusive):
- Atonement is a free translation, meaning, in JP the skill is nowhere close named or has a meaning similar, and as has someone said before, expiación is a Direct translation from the JP skill. So when that skill came out the EN team just have to took it and hope nobody noticed.
- Expiación came in the Shadowbringers expansion that was filled with Christian themes but also witg Spanish names (there are monsters, hunts and places).
Thanks for the video btw. :)
Paladin is actually just Knight in the Japanese version, and the name change was done by the localisation teams. SE just used the relation of knights and Christianity by relating the knights of old who served and were appointed by sovereigns, who themselves were annointed by the church. So it is loosely and not fully related to Christianity, and things that don't make sense were bound to pop up here and there.
hearing Assassins creed II referred to as old school hurts a little bit
as soon as the word Requiescat came on screen i thought of ezio telling a guy "Requiescat in pace, bastardo" 😂
Oh yeah, can you. Believe AC 2 is about 15 years old at this point? I think many people recognize the word from those games.
Excel-Lent overview of all the different name origins. The naming sense here was very un-orthodox so finding out that so many skill names came from the same place despite different source languages was a real Epiphany.
You can use your chocobo companion for party targeted skills.
White Mage has benediction and Holy (Sanctus in german)
See, I've always thought of the names of a lot of the abilities as a sort of battle prayer along the lines of "Forgive mine enemies, for they do not know and forgive myself for what must be done in the protection of mine allies." Granted, there's no capital G god in the world setting, and the character is a free paladin with no lord, so the praying is likely towards the self and the higher ideals a paladin would like to be able to follow outside of the violence.
Or, maybe I've got my head up my own hind end. :P
This is a fun way to look at it!
If it makes you feel any better, I just started playing Sage a week ago. While there isnt much in terms of religion with the job, there are medical terms. Might be able to make a neat video about its abilities idk
The fun part about Sage is that there is the literal meaning of words and then the 'meaning' of the words. The usage of words change over time in any language and there is a bit of philosophy mixed into Sage as well.
As a pld main, I enjoy using divine veilwhen a boss is doing a wind up attacks.
Do you think you might look into the Sin eaters? Since they have a vague holy theme
The sin eaters have always been really interesting. All of their names I remember seeing are related to the Cardinal Vices. There's some history where those came from.
As someone who plays PLD myself, i love this video
The Paladin is an instrument of God so the terms make a bit more sense if you consider he's inflicting Atonement upon others.
Elidibus is literally Jesus, I feel amazed by the fact a lot of people just don't remember Elidibus at all.
I made a video about him but it's in Spanish I'll try to dub it with broken english.
Good bideo.
Paladin got a pretty drastic rework just last year, so its unlikely to change all that much with DT. Seems like the other tanks aren't getting changed much either.
The naming conventions are a little funny. Abilities like Intervene and Expiacion were added after similarly named Intervention and Atonement. I wonder what decisions are made when translating the original names into English?
Not 100% related, but it reminds me of BLM's spell naming. In Japanese it's the traditional "Fire > Fira > Firaga" but in English it's just "Fire I > II > III"
Paladin is transcended Crusader in RO. Crusader itself is of christian origin. Maybe the dev team also former RO players
So, I’m a Paladin main, and one of the silly little things that has kinda bugged me for a while is “why the hell doesn’t this class have an ability named ‘smite’?”
Even if you factor in the idea that it was supposed to be named “knight”, they really leaned into the “holy warrior” aesthetic from HW onwards, and yet you can’t actually “smite” your enemies.
It probably could have made sense to have one of the 1, 2, 3 combo abilities be smite but maybe they thought it'd be too common?
@@Ailuromage for the record, I’d be very happy to be proven wrong if Dawntrail comes out and adds or upgrades something into an attack called “Smite”
So it's confirmed? Paladins are fantasy world Crusaders?
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you can cast intervention on me if you want 👉👈
I'll intervene on your behalf UwU
I would agree Passage of arms wouldn't make sense historically, but it's perfectly cromulent if you put your head around the contemporary meaning.
It does have various meanings. I figured with the Knight aesthetic though that the historic term is probably where it was pulled from.
Just wait until this guy plays WHM and unlocks Benediction.
Holy Spirit: Jesus is "The Word" (John chapter 1), and the Bible itself (or rather the Word contained within) is likened unto a sharp sword that pieces the heart of the enemy and those who follow him. But yet, for the believer, the Bible (or, rather the Word) is your Bread and Butter. An ability that hurts your enemies and heals yourself is perfect for the name.
It works well for The Word I agree. There's actually an enemy in-game that uses an attack called Logos and it deals a chunk of damage. Holy Spirit probably sounded better to pair with the Paladin.
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You know more about the names of the moves in this game than the devs do… impressive
Some do make sense but perhaps maybe some where chosen because the name sounds really cool. (Latin just sounds cool for Knight based things)
@@Ailuromage Latin is the coolest!
I mean, sometimes words are just words.
Paladin has a holy theme. The beauty of 14 is that you decide your own story. If that's "use magic aspected to "holy" to protect and defend" or even "gods go brrrr" whatever story you tell is your own.
Thank you floof of knowledge