Only video I found demonstrating Sim Lab key board tray. I’m looking something to store my luch and tea or ipad on, it could work. Or I might go with a mouse plate. Anyway this video helps, thank you Barry.
Thanks so much for this video series. I got a P1 and used your video series to help work out how to put it together. You made something that felt daunting into a nearly trivial task and I'm sure I avoided many mistakes! Thank you so much
I love your video and happy for you to have that equipment it must be enjoyable when I watch you play It this like I`m there wanderfull. I`m 65-year old I have a Thrustmaster TX Leather Edition That is all I could afford and happy whit it. Keep up the good work. Thump up!
And here I am in my office chair, haven't even got a neck rest. After 1.5 hours everything really starts to hurt! Good stuff man, this is a dream for me :D
I don't have a Sim Lab product , but this will be my go to rig once I can afford it. Richard is generally hailed for his top quality products as well as his outstanding customer support.
I got a Sim-lab GT1 last month and love it, Richard and crew were incredibly helpful. Kinda wish I would've tried to get one of these black P1s though as it looks amazing! Incredibly jealous of the D-Box setup Barry!
The main side rails are bigger on the P1 and the pedal mounting/adjustment is different on each. Other than the price that's about it. You can't go wrong with either and the GT1 is fully capable of handling a DD wheel and some motion setups.
DSaw78 thanks for reply I currently have a simetek k2 which is rock solid but now intrested in motion may require some modding due to its narrow width. I couldnt understand the price diffetence between the gt and p1.
Me too but deep down i wish i had waited a few more weeks for the black edtion. I get it will scratch up and not look as nice in a few years but i am lucky as i have a whole room dedicated to my Sim Rig which no one is allowed in lol. So keeping it scratch free would be a lot easier for me.
Ok, you just about have me sold. Im running a Simetik K2 Rig. I wish I would have seen this one first. It seems so easy to add anything i want to it. One thing i dislike about the Simetik was the way the shifter mounts. I had to adapt a 2X4 so that i could move the shifter closer to where I really wanted it.....not ideal but it works fine. I would so love to pick your brain since im seriously considering adding motion. From watching your vids, it seems so easy with this rig.
Great vid, just built my P1. My cup holder came with tiny bolts that just push through the 6mm T nuts also supplied with the cup holder. Also, the mouse plate had no bolts short enough, luckily had some little washer laying about to space a couple bolts. I wish the mouse plate was silver though, the black finish had marks in it on arrival. They didn't include my keyboard tray or shifter mount, so that's another long wait sadly. It's a quality cockpit though and I look forward to my DD wheel arriving soon. I am tempted to order two 500mm profile pieces so I can mount the pedals a bit lower, actually down in the base frame instead of on top.
Birchwood Casey aluminium black liquid or the touch up pen will solve any small scratches on the black aluminium. You'll find it in gun stores or online 😎
Jesus, where do you store all of theses cockpits! Great video by the way. I was initially thinking about going the simetik route but this seems like a good out of the box profile rig. Do you think you'd be able to review the simetik K2 rig with your setup any time soon?
Hi Barry, can you share some more information about your audio setup? For instance, what brand are the speakers and where can we find them? Also, what other tech have you got to connect them to your PC? Thanks!
Great vid as always Barry. I'm in Northern VA and been at sim racing a long time and love your stuff! Though truth be told lately it's more fiddling with my gear and configuring "the next upgrade" then actually racing in my rare non-work time, sadly. Can't wait to be retired like you and dedicate more time to it! Maybe even make vids again. I used to make several popular RUclips videos such as Fanatec DIY mods and reviews, triple-screen 3D projection sim setup (now gone for VR), etc.. Anyway if my travels in the pro-AV industry every bring me down your way I'll give you a heads up and maybe we could grab a beer. One quick question about Sim-Lab stuff or similar: My 80/20 rigs have all so far been 15-series, not metric. What I really need to complete the setup is the custom pieces like the wheel deck or dash, adjustable pedal brackets, etc.. (all the water-jet cut aluminum pieces.) Do you know of anyone in the US or elsewhere making similar items for 15-series? Or even if I had to switch to metric, does Sim-Labs do any US distribution or is it all shipping from EU? I supposed hopefully they'd at least sell just the custom brackets to allow me to source and cut the profile more locally for less shipping. Seems to me there would be a market for a similar solution based in the US.
I have been using 15 and 40 series together for a while now. They are so close in dimensions, never had an issue using 15 hardware on 40 profile or vise versa. 15 is 1.5" = 38.1mm in width, with the channel width being .320 = 8.128mm. 40 is of course 40mm wide with a channel width of 8.13. So yeah too close to matter in use. Only exceptions being if you want to mount something flat that crosses both 40 and 15 series profiles. Not sure how much the 1mm difference on each side of the profiles would matter. And yeah, hit me up at info@simracinggarage.com if you will be in my area.
Seems very similar to the jcl v2 cockpit. How would you compare the two, + and - of both. Another great video. Thanks for investing the time to do this.
Sorry to butt in, can't speak for the man himself, but I'm considering either of them. As I've 3d-modelled my whole apartment it was easy to see some of the practical differences. V2 was 120cm long vs 140 (P1), but also about 20cm wider than P1. In effect "fatter" than the slimmer&longer P1. Pedalmount for V2 I think was hinged (rotating hinge, is that the right word?) and seemed easier to adjust on the V2. The P1 wheel mount seems alot more elegant and sturdy than the V2. JCL is getting praise for protecting the shipment / packaging. V2 comes in different color combinations (black and red etc), keyboard is also black (haven't seen a Simlab black tray yet), but the Simlab keyboard tray (though silver) looks more sturdy and larger in the videos I've seen so far. Both have about 2 week delay now if ordering right now. In my case, JCL shipment is twice the cost of Simlab; this will vary. So much back and forth, it's confusing :) Do like the P1 wheel mount, not a fan of the huge 140cm though...
I just need to figure out how to make this cockpit break down quickly and stow when not in use and I'll be pulling the trigger. Fortunately I'm a VR junkie, so no triple screens to worry about, but I still need to move it out of the way in between uses. My current rig is not nearly rigid enough and a DD wheel base seems imminent. This channel has been slowly leading me down the dark side...
FYI, I did achieve my objective. I have retractable casters on it and I can roll it out of the way. I have the USB cables together in a sheath. I plug in the NLRv3 and wheel base to AC on one side, and my 4 channels of transducers which currently use 8 banana cables will be reduced to single 8 pole quick connect shortly. Very quick and convenient.
Anyone wanting a cheap option for a seat slider, i used the handles you get with the pedal deck, the ones that you can loosen to slide the pedal mount part back and forwards. I got another 4 for cheap and used then to secure my racing seat (Motamec GT02) to my P1 and it works great. Only issue i had was needing to put washers on the screw part of the handles to make it the right size but that was easy. Anyone wanting pictures drop me your email. Sorry for my English it is not my first language
Thank you for the incredibly in depth reviews, they are awesome! Just a question though, how does this cockpit compares to the stage 4 and the other ones you have?
I am definitely considering this cockpit. I may even add the Next Level Racing Motion V3 which can be done with extra connectors and longer screws, as explained to me by Sim Labs. I like to have my shifter on the correct side for whatever car I am in. Do you know of any easy but solid and secure way of possibly swapping sides without actual dismantling involved?
Fantastic review process as always! I noticed the motor mount is different from the pictures and the ones on sim-labs website...is this the new 2018 front motor mount?
For the side profile that the shifter sits on, why does the longer profile have to sit on top of the shorter upright profile? I understand to support the weight, however, couldn’t you remove the two hole bracket on the rear and slide your 380mm piece up and down along the inside side of the smaller rear upright and secure it with a 2 hole bracket on top and bottom or just a 4 hole bracket that fits on 4040 series and than it has 2 bolts on the bottom and 2 bolts into the 380mm? Hope that makes sense....
Quick question, why would you not have your monitors attached to your dbox frame to make them move with you? Do you experience any inner ear conflict / dizziness from not having your eyes agree with your ear? Aloha
Great video Barry (again). Sim Racing Porn as someone adequately named it in one of your videos :-) In a short span of time you went from your Stage 4 to JCL and now to Sim Labs. Were you not happy with JCL?
Just had a chance to review the JCL, so I did. Had it on loan. Always planned to get the P1 in black for my main rig. It might not be the main rig forever, as I do have other cockpit configurations I want to try.
Great review, would you please let me know what type of direct wheel you are using in this videos. More information I get more options I have to choose . Thanks
Sim Racing Garage at 24:18 that is what i wanted to know the size of that spacer, it can't be 2 inch from top to bottom can it. It looks more like 4 to 5 inch. I can't find one that long and silver anywhere.
I have several different sizes. The one here is the 4". You can get one here: www.ebay.com/itm/4-Steering-Wheel-Spacer-Polished-Aluminum-for-MOMO-ISOTTA-SPARCO-OMP/111015588260
What kind of motion are you running and was it easy to set up to P1? The front base of the P1 is semi open (ok the pedal mount is there sure but) does it give any flex in front with motion?
Do you know or can you measure that can I fit my XL sized OMP WRC seat into this rig setup without any special modifications to the width of the rig? I use same type of sparco seat mounts as you did on this video so they curve under the seat a lil bit but my seat is a little wider than normal sized sparco seats for example. I sold my Subaru track car couple years ago for financial reasons and before I did that I promised my self that if I one day to sell it I will build at least sim racing kit so I can keep driving on the track without all the cost that you normally need to pay. I still have my seat and 4 point harness and personal driving gear so I am now looking to buy full Fanatec setup with OMP wheel and that sim lab p1 in black. Also do you recommend to getting 1-3 screens or VR?
I have a question, my triples currently are connected to my 8020 rig. I got the Psl sequential and I notice my right hand side monitor shakes a little no matter what I try. I need to separate the monitors from the rig and it will stop. Can you tell me two things please, what is the length of your 1.5x1.5” profile along the bottom that the wheels are attached two? Also, would you mind telling me how many inches of that are to the forward since I se the majority of it is on the front? I was goin to order what I needed from Faztek.net, but was trying to figure out the length. Thanks in advance!!
I want to add something also. Since it’s attached to my rig currently, the uprights are 1.5x1.5” I have the Richmotech angle brackets and monitor brackets so it holds fine all made of that profile, that’s on the rig though. Should I change the two uprights( maybe the center also) to 1.5x3”? Or should it be ok to just run the uprights I have down to a 1.5x1.5” profile. I have (3) 32” monitors. Your giving an opinion so if it don’t work I won’t say hey you said so. I just would like a second opinion, more so from you as you deal with aluminum profile on a regular basis so you know what it can hold.
Hi Barry, I'm curious to know do you still use this as your main rig? Can you tell me your overall built dimensions Just complete front to back and sides with pedals included really appreciate it
www.amazon.com/Orb-Audio-Subwoofer-Outperforming-Subwoofers/dp/B00JKO8QRG/ref=sr_1_1?crid=157E34HQKG3BW&dchild=1&keywords=orb+speaker+system&qid=1587954794&sprefix=orb+spe%2Caps%2C141&sr=8-1 Unsure of which mounts he's using.
Hi Barry, you run a fantastic channel! Question on the p1: I noticed that you mounted the Quaiffe H pattern on the P1, but how did you do this exactly? With two 80 20 cross bars? And can you think of a solution to simultaneously mount the Quaiffe sequential? I can imagine swapping these is a bit imconvenient.
Yes, 2 40x40 profiles. Not sure how often you change shifters, but one way would be to have each shifter mounted to it's own dedicated pair of profiles with brackets. You could then loosen the brackets and slide the shifter assembly off towards the rear of the 80x40 shifter mount. Then slide the other assembly on. Of course this would mean you would need to remove the plastic profile cover on the end of the 80x40. Or leave it off. Personally I would not want both shifters at the same time. One of them would always be offset from the optimal shifting position I think.
Barry: that would be the best solution indeed. Quaiffe offers a discount on both when purchased as a bundle and since the shaft of my TH8A broke today I guess I’ll be making a long term investment soon😆
Yes, they are both stiff cockpits and they do have a different feel to them when you first climb in. Hard to explain. I would be happy with either one I think.
You can tighten the vesa mount pivot bolt to where it is pretty stiff. So I think it would not have any problems with FPS games. Only issue might be the amount of area that you need when moving your mouse in the heat of battle. I have seen some players with longer mouse movements that others.
Thank you so much for the channel first of all, quick question , whats better SIM LAB P1 or the TRAKRACER TR160? I am trying to use the DD1 and trying to build a nice system , appreciate the help : )
Sorry, I have not had a chance to test the TR160. Although, based on my experience with profile cockpits, I would think it will be a very sturdy unit. However the wheelbase mounts do raise some concern with how much metal has been removed from the cross mount pieces. But need to test to draw a final conclusion.
How do you like those MFG crosswinds? 40:56 I am reluctant to buy them. Two months to receive them from overseas sounds like a scam,but I have seen a few people using them. I cheaped out on my rudder pedals and just got the thrustmaster ones.I thought it would compliment my warthog set.If you are wondering,yes, they are trash,quality hotas does not transfer to quality rudder pedals.
Some really nice flight sim gear on your wall as well. Do you have another channel or plans to do some flight sim hardware reviews? I'm keen for a dual purpose rig with a relatively easy conversion from road to flight.
What is your way of dealing with number of USB connections required to run a Rig like yours? Do you use internal USB PCIe expansion card to get more ports (if so which one?) Or did you had any luck with hubs? Or mix of both? Thanks
I have tried expansion cards, and hubs. I have had the best results with these high powered hubs: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008ZGKWQI/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1 They are capable of 25 watts. Their power supply provides 5v at each port with a max of 5 amps total to all ports. I have found that some usb powered sim racing hardware can be very sensitive to the power they are provided over the usb port. There are other things that can effect the performance of our usb devices. And can be difficult to trouble shoot. So taking the problem of not enough power out of the equation helps a lot. Having up to 9 usb devices running on my simulator at times, combined they will need a lot of power to keep all of them happy. I currently run 2 of these hubs.
Thank you for getting back to me Barry. Before reading your answer I have ordered 13 port 60W Anker hub (www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00KHJ2C3C/ref=pe_3187911_185740111_TE_item) which is capable of similar amperage per port as the one from your link plus they both use VIA chipset so hopefully all will be fine. Also I have ordered 7 port PCIe extension card (www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01EHU1EWG/ref=pe_3187911_185740111_TE_item)... I was using other 7 port USB expansion card before but it has stopped working recently, I assume due to Windows 10 update (we all love them don't we?) and due to lack of updated drivers. The one I got this time is supposed to be the least problematic of the bunch according to buyers comments (also this, I assume, Chinese brand has website with some drivers on it). I never experimented with HUBs before because I remember reading on iracing forum that HUBs are introducing latency and becasue of that are not a good idea for sim gear - have you noticed anything like it with your use? It would be perfect if this Anker hub would work just fine. Would solve all my problems and you have given me hope with you recommendation for similar HUB plus with your finding that HUBs, for you, were the least problematic in the end.
You said in a comment that you have other cockpit configurations you want to try out. What do you dislike about the P1 that you are looking into other rigs?
hello Barry Fantastic review as always can you plz tell me where did you get the USB adapter that you have hooked up on ur rig for ur wheel USB cable thanks
That is a part that I had made at Turn Racing. He makes custom wheels like the Audi R8 wheel I did a review on. This particular adapter/mount uses a Lumberg connector that I put on my wheels. I'm sure he can make you something with a regular USB "A" interface if you ask.
Sim Racing Garage Thanks for replying back but this is the item I was looking for I’ll send you a picture but it’s a little blurry it’s where you have your USB cable connected to it where it’s Kaina mounted on to your rig on the 8020 profiles it’s that USB wire that comes out of your steering wheel directly into your 8020 profiles that little mount that you have it hooked up to tried to send a picture but I just there’s no way I can do it through here
You can mount it on the outside of the wheel support profile. You will still be able to swivel it to where you can reach the keyboard easily, but will not be able to swivel all the way under the wheel. I have to do this sometimes when I use a larger round style rim. I remove the keyboard from the tray and lay it in my lap on those occasions. I have it attached to the tray with a thin strip of velcro down the middle and 2 of these sticky pads people use for cell phones. www.ebay.com/itm/New-2pcs-Black-Anti-Slip-Car-GPS-Phone-Holder-Dashboard-Sticky-Pad-Non-Slip-Mat-/281799554789?hash=item419c8ff6e5 I place them on either side of the keyboard. Have yet to have the keyboard bounce away. And I run my tactile setting pretty high often.
I would have to see them in action first. Curious as to how the curved edges look next to each other. As far as any perceived distortion at the extreme edge of these units.
After reviewing JCL v2 and P1, how do they differ in practical terms? After seing the JCL v2 it almost looked like the P1 was more difficult to mount, though maybe it was the presentation in the video, and I'm getting real worried about the P1 black scratching easily.
Either one would get the job done. The JCL is wider and lighter. They are both very stiff platforms. The black finishes on both will scratch if you do not take care in mounting your hardware. Just everyday use can cause a scratch somewhere. Silver would be the best color if you are worried.
Thanks! Guess it's time to live a bit dangerously. Wonderfully detailed videos, looking forward to the next! I keep learning something new every time I watch a new one. Thanks for doing this!
Anodizing have similar finish to a marker pen, so you can use that to hide scratches. I would guess it is easier to hide on black than silver. Cheers :)
My choice would be the P1. But just barely. And only because it is made with industry standard 40 series profile. I really like the powder coated finish on the JCL product. It is also lighter, so easier to move around if you need to.
It's 4", from ebay: www.ebay.com/itm/4-Steering-Wheel-Spacer-Polished-Aluminum-for-MOMO-NARDI-ISOTTA-SPARCO-OMP/111015588260?epid=2280721744&hash=item19d90b71a4:g:cgkAAOSwP~tW5lsv&vxp=mtr
Hi Barry, Edit: all good. For those who look for extension in EU good place (competitive price and quality, discount code can be found online 10%) is: www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorsport/steering-wheel-bosses-accessories/b-g-racing-alloy-steering-wheel-spacers-6-bolt I bought myself 120mm one. They come with screws and both 6x 70mm and 6x 72.4mm patterns. The wight of 120mm one is 340g (to be confirmed) For those in USA the one like Barry has can be had even cheaper directly from distributor (free shipping) and in black or silver: 6980-B4.0 (black 4") www.flashpowerparts.com/steering-wheel-parts/660-40-steeringwheelhubadapterextensionspacer-black.html 6980-B5.0 (black 5") www.flashpowerparts.com/steering-wheel-parts/661-50-steeringwheelhubadapterextensionspacer-black.html Also available in silver . Good luck
ok, but how would one mount a shifter h pattern and an (HE)handbrake horizontal in so little space. specially if I was using the same big ass shifter youre using ? we can forget about the mouse tray, as I would mount in else where or no where. as I have an all in one keyboard
I am going to be getting some hand brakes to review soon. When using the hand brake, I will use a sequential shifter. So, not as big of a footprint. I will be fabricating an aluminum plate to mount both the shifter and hand brake to. Then mount that to the rig. At least that's the plan. Great thing about 80/20 is you can always find a solution to a mounting problem.
Yes I am a VR fan. VR has tremendous potential as far as immersion is concerned. Just has a way to go before I give up my beautiful IPS monitors. Also, the physical aspects of today's goggles will improve a lot in the future. Some day we will look back at monitor technology as it is today and think, how primitive!
Sim Racing Garage so true. I think the new windows mr headsets and the vice pro are already better then the current stuff for sim racing. It will only get better
It came with some different sized nylon inserts. Pick the diameter that you need for your shifter and push it into the knob. Mount the knob and tighten the 3 set screws in the knobs collar onto the shifters shaft. Screw on the cover ring and your done.
The Sparco knob in this video uses a universal mounting system. No threads. If you buy the same you should get everything you need to mount it to a shaft with the knob kit.
Seats are a very subjective thing when it comes to comfort on longer stints. Just because one works for me doesn't mean it will for you. Best to try some a your local speed shop if you have one. That said, the NRG Pixma is comfortable to me and some others I have had over to try different setups.
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RUclips: 45 minutes of calm building and adjusting.
Reality: 3 days of swearing and frustration.
and expensier than a shop stock one, super custom but for rich diy people.
Only video I found demonstrating Sim Lab key board tray. I’m looking something to store my luch and tea or ipad on, it could work. Or I might go with a mouse plate. Anyway this video helps, thank you Barry.
What would I do without Barry’s videos. Saved me a lot of time effort over last few weeks. Legend.
Your videos are among the very best tutorials out there. You've removed my fear of approaching such a project. Thanks!
Thanks so much for this video series. I got a P1 and used your video series to help work out how to put it together. You made something that felt daunting into a nearly trivial task and I'm sure I avoided many mistakes! Thank you so much
Glad my video could help you out!
I love your video and happy for you to have that equipment it must be enjoyable when I watch you play It this like I`m there wanderfull. I`m 65-year old I have a Thrustmaster TX Leather Edition That is all I could afford and happy whit it. Keep up the good work. Thump up!
And here I am in my office chair, haven't even got a neck rest. After 1.5 hours everything really starts to hurt! Good stuff man, this is a dream for me :D
I don't have a Sim Lab product , but this will be my go to rig once I can afford it. Richard is generally hailed for his top quality products as well as his outstanding customer support.
Yes, Richard is among the best in this industry I think.
'Cause I measured it' no arguments here forth take it as fact. Love this guy !
16:16 my wife at the 3rd shifting clunk sound would kick me out of my house XD
lmfaoooooooooooooooo! i divorced one kinda like that hahaha
Hi Barry, I'm so glad after all that assembly that you sat down and drove like a freakin' demon!!
I got a Sim-lab GT1 last month and love it, Richard and crew were incredibly helpful. Kinda wish I would've tried to get one of these black P1s though as it looks amazing! Incredibly jealous of the D-Box setup Barry!
DSaw78 whats the difference between the p1 and gt rig ? Apart from price
The main side rails are bigger on the P1 and the pedal mounting/adjustment is different on each. Other than the price that's about it. You can't go wrong with either and the GT1 is fully capable of handling a DD wheel and some motion setups.
DSaw78 thanks for reply I currently have a simetek k2 which is rock solid but now intrested in motion may require some modding due to its narrow width.
I couldnt understand the price diffetence between the gt and p1.
I have the silver anodized P1 and it's fantastic. Great job Barry.
Me too but deep down i wish i had waited a few more weeks for the black edtion. I get it will scratch up and not look as nice in a few years but i am lucky as i have a whole room dedicated to my Sim Rig which no one is allowed in lol. So keeping it scratch free would be a lot easier for me.
@@Simlife101 just spray paint it black then
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Thank you, Barry. This was very insightful.
Thanks for all you do for the community barry. I am split between this cockpit and the HE.
They are similar. With the P1 being 145mm wider. I think you would be happy with either one.
Bloody great video mate
Ok, you just about have me sold. Im running a Simetik K2 Rig. I wish I would have seen this one first. It seems so easy to add anything i want to it. One thing i dislike about the Simetik was the way the shifter mounts. I had to adapt a 2X4 so that i could move the shifter closer to where I really wanted it.....not ideal but it works fine. I would so love to pick your brain since im seriously considering adding motion. From watching your vids, it seems so easy with this rig.
drop me an email @ info@simracinggarage.com
Another awesome vid Bazza, loving my P1 currently, great rig.
Great vid, just built my P1. My cup holder came with tiny bolts that just push through the 6mm T nuts also supplied with the cup holder. Also, the mouse plate had no bolts short enough, luckily had some little washer laying about to space a couple bolts. I wish the mouse plate was silver though, the black finish had marks in it on arrival. They didn't include my keyboard tray or shifter mount, so that's another long wait sadly. It's a quality cockpit though and I look forward to my DD wheel arriving soon. I am tempted to order two 500mm profile pieces so I can mount the pedals a bit lower, actually down in the base frame instead of on top.
you have to review the Italian SRC cockpit, I have ordered this and its fantastic.
Birchwood Casey aluminium black liquid or the touch up pen will solve any small scratches on the black aluminium. You'll find it in gun stores or online 😎
Great video again Barry!
Jesus, where do you store all of theses cockpits!
Great video by the way. I was initially thinking about going the simetik route but this seems like a good out of the box profile rig.
Do you think you'd be able to review the simetik K2 rig with your setup any time soon?
I love thoses review so much !
It looks like a dream ))
Hi Barry, can you share some more information about your audio setup? For instance, what brand are the speakers and where can we find them? Also, what other tech have you got to connect them to your PC? Thanks!
Wanna know also..
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Great vid as always Barry. I'm in Northern VA and been at sim racing a long time and love your stuff! Though truth be told lately it's more fiddling with my gear and configuring "the next upgrade" then actually racing in my rare non-work time, sadly. Can't wait to be retired like you and dedicate more time to it! Maybe even make vids again. I used to make several popular RUclips videos such as Fanatec DIY mods and reviews, triple-screen 3D projection sim setup (now gone for VR), etc.. Anyway if my travels in the pro-AV industry every bring me down your way I'll give you a heads up and maybe we could grab a beer. One quick question about Sim-Lab stuff or similar: My 80/20 rigs have all so far been 15-series, not metric. What I really need to complete the setup is the custom pieces like the wheel deck or dash, adjustable pedal brackets, etc.. (all the water-jet cut aluminum pieces.) Do you know of anyone in the US or elsewhere making similar items for 15-series? Or even if I had to switch to metric, does Sim-Labs do any US distribution or is it all shipping from EU? I supposed hopefully they'd at least sell just the custom brackets to allow me to source and cut the profile more locally for less shipping. Seems to me there would be a market for a similar solution based in the US.
I have been using 15 and 40 series together for a while now. They are so close in dimensions, never had an issue using 15 hardware on 40 profile or vise versa. 15 is 1.5" = 38.1mm in width, with the channel width being .320 = 8.128mm. 40 is of course 40mm wide with a channel width of 8.13. So yeah too close to matter in use. Only exceptions being if you want to mount something flat that crosses both 40 and 15 series profiles. Not sure how much the 1mm difference on each side of the profiles would matter. And yeah, hit me up at info@simracinggarage.com if you will be in my area.
Seems very similar to the jcl v2 cockpit. How would you compare the two, + and - of both. Another great video. Thanks for investing the time to do this.
Sorry to butt in, can't speak for the man himself, but I'm considering either of them. As I've 3d-modelled my whole apartment it was easy to see some of the practical differences. V2 was 120cm long vs 140 (P1), but also about 20cm wider than P1. In effect "fatter" than the slimmer&longer P1. Pedalmount for V2 I think was hinged (rotating hinge, is that the right word?) and seemed easier to adjust on the V2. The P1 wheel mount seems alot more elegant and sturdy than the V2. JCL is getting praise for protecting the shipment / packaging. V2 comes in different color combinations (black and red etc), keyboard is also black (haven't seen a Simlab black tray yet), but the Simlab keyboard tray (though silver) looks more sturdy and larger in the videos I've seen so far. Both have about 2 week delay now if ordering right now. In my case, JCL shipment is twice the cost of Simlab; this will vary. So much back and forth, it's confusing :) Do like the P1 wheel mount, not a fan of the huge 140cm though...
Which did you wind up getting and why?
I just need to figure out how to make this cockpit break down quickly and stow when not in use and I'll be pulling the trigger. Fortunately I'm a VR junkie, so no triple screens to worry about, but I still need to move it out of the way in between uses. My current rig is not nearly rigid enough and a DD wheel base seems imminent. This channel has been slowly leading me down the dark side...
FYI, I did achieve my objective. I have retractable casters on it and I can roll it out of the way. I have the USB cables together in a sheath. I plug in the NLRv3 and wheel base to AC on one side, and my 4 channels of transducers which currently use 8 banana cables will be reduced to single 8 pole quick connect shortly. Very quick and convenient.
alumablack for firearms will repair any scratches on the anodized aluminum perfect
Im not sure if this was asked already, but can you give us an idea of the costs landed (including any vat, etc). Im thinking about the GT1 cockpit.
Anyone wanting a cheap option for a seat slider, i used the handles you get with the pedal deck, the ones that you can loosen to slide the pedal mount part back and forwards. I got another 4 for cheap and used then to secure my racing seat (Motamec GT02) to my P1 and it works great. Only issue i had was needing to put washers on the screw part of the handles to make it the right size but that was easy. Anyone wanting pictures drop me your email.
Sorry for my English it is not my first language
Thank you for the incredibly in depth reviews, they are awesome! Just a question though, how does this cockpit compares to the stage 4 and the other ones you have?
This the only cockpit I have now. P1 is much easier to add hardware, and dial in a proper, comfortable driving position. As is any 80/20 cockpit.
I am definitely considering this cockpit. I may even add the Next Level Racing Motion V3 which can be done with extra connectors and longer screws, as explained to me by Sim Labs.
I like to have my shifter on the correct side for whatever car I am in. Do you know of any easy but solid and secure way of possibly swapping sides without actual dismantling involved?
Fantastic review process as always! I noticed the motor mount is different from the pictures and the ones on sim-labs website...is this the new 2018 front motor mount?
Yes, I have the latest motor mount configuration.
Great thanks...do you know why they changed it?
Like most other designers. Richard is always looking for ways to improve his design. A thicker plate mount is part of the P1's evolution.
For the side profile that the shifter sits on, why does the longer profile have to sit on top of the shorter upright profile? I understand to support the weight, however, couldn’t you remove the two hole bracket on the rear and slide your 380mm piece up and down along the inside side of the smaller rear upright and secure it with a 2 hole bracket on top and bottom or just a 4 hole bracket that fits on 4040 series and than it has 2 bolts on the bottom and 2 bolts into the 380mm? Hope that makes sense....
Quick question, why would you not have your monitors attached to your dbox frame to make them move with you? Do you experience any inner ear conflict / dizziness from not having your eyes agree with your ear? Aloha
I don't notice any problems by running the monitors mounted separately. Either way should work fine I think.
That cup holder doubles as a cheeseburger storage/dispensing device
Good info mate what is the best rig setup my budget is 30,000aud
Great video Barry (again). Sim Racing Porn as someone adequately named it in one of your videos :-)
In a short span of time you went from your Stage 4 to JCL and now to Sim Labs. Were you not happy with JCL?
Just had a chance to review the JCL, so I did. Had it on loan. Always planned to get the P1 in black for my main rig. It might not be the main rig forever, as I do have other cockpit configurations I want to try.
Great review, would you please let me know what type of direct wheel you are using in this videos. More information I get more options I have to choose . Thanks
In this review I was using the Bodnar Sim Steering system with a 54G Kollmorgen motor.
What speakers are you using? Or what do you recommend?
Sim Racing Garage at 24:18 that is what i wanted to know the size of that spacer, it can't be 2 inch from top to bottom can it. It looks more like 4 to 5 inch. I can't find one that long and silver anywhere.
I have several different sizes. The one here is the 4". You can get one here: www.ebay.com/itm/4-Steering-Wheel-Spacer-Polished-Aluminum-for-MOMO-ISOTTA-SPARCO-OMP/111015588260
@@simracinggarage3026 Thank you for taking the time to do that for me it is greatly appreciated.
Hey Bazza, awesome as always ......... are the speakers that you are using called 'Orb Audio Mod X1' ??
They are Mod1's as a single speaker. Mod2 would be two of them and so on.
Many thanks Barry, went for the polished metal look to match P1 rig, absolutely great idea using these units , amp and woofer on the way.
Awesome video! I have a quick question though, what triple monitor mount are you using?
He uses the sim labs one. They also do one a triple or single mount that attaches to the rig which i have
What kind of motion are you running and was it easy to set up to P1? The front base of the P1 is semi open (ok the pedal mount is there sure but) does it give any flex in front with motion?
So is the p1 the winner for buy it now cockpits? because it seems like it?
Do you know or can you measure that can I fit my XL sized OMP WRC seat into this rig setup without any special modifications to the width of the rig? I use same type of sparco seat mounts as you did on this video so they curve under the seat a lil bit but my seat is a little wider than normal sized sparco seats for example. I sold my Subaru track car couple years ago for financial reasons and before I did that I promised my self that if I one day to sell it I will build at least sim racing kit so I can keep driving on the track without all the cost that you normally need to pay. I still have my seat and 4 point harness and personal driving gear so I am now looking to buy full Fanatec setup with OMP wheel and that sim lab p1 in black.
Also do you recommend to getting 1-3 screens or VR?
can you adjust the steering angle?
Yes.
What is the brand of speaker please Barry ?
if only my dad was more like you :-)
Has anyone else here mounted their keyboard tray like Barry has here? If so, what is your experience with it?
Is there a quick/easy way to remove the Wheel installation, if such were the case?
Awesome! How much is this setup in the video?
I have a question, my triples currently are connected to my 8020 rig. I got the Psl sequential and I notice my right hand side monitor shakes a little no matter what I try. I need to separate the monitors from the rig and it will stop. Can you tell me two things please, what is the length of your 1.5x1.5” profile along the bottom that the wheels are attached two? Also, would you mind telling me how many inches of that are to the forward since I se the majority of it is on the front? I was goin to order what I needed from Faztek.net, but was trying to figure out the length. Thanks in advance!!
I want to add something also. Since it’s attached to my rig currently, the uprights are 1.5x1.5” I have the Richmotech angle brackets and monitor brackets so it holds fine all made of that profile, that’s on the rig though. Should I change the two uprights( maybe the center also) to 1.5x3”? Or should it be ok to just run the uprights I have down to a 1.5x1.5” profile. I have (3) 32” monitors. Your giving an opinion so if it don’t work I won’t say hey you said so. I just would like a second opinion, more so from you as you deal with aluminum profile on a regular basis so you know what it can hold.
Contact me here if you would like to discuss. info@simracinggarage.com
Hello Barry, what is the brand for speakers, are they orb speakers? They look great :)
Yes they are Orb's. Great sound.
Hi Barry, I'm curious to know do you still use this as your main rig?
Can you tell me your overall built dimensions
Just complete front to back and sides with pedals included really appreciate it
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Hi. Great video. Wondering... where did you get the keyboard tray?
sim-lab.eu/product/keyboard-tray/
Barry, can you share a link to the speakers and mounts?
www.amazon.com/Orb-Audio-Subwoofer-Outperforming-Subwoofers/dp/B00JKO8QRG/ref=sr_1_1?crid=157E34HQKG3BW&dchild=1&keywords=orb+speaker+system&qid=1587954794&sprefix=orb+spe%2Caps%2C141&sr=8-1
Unsure of which mounts he's using.
Sorry to ask same question as before since I’m a rookie...which game are you using as simulation? PC? Console?
PC, iRacing.
Hi Barry, you run a fantastic channel! Question on the p1: I noticed that you mounted the Quaiffe H pattern on the P1, but how did you do this exactly? With two 80 20 cross bars? And can you think of a solution to simultaneously mount the Quaiffe sequential? I can imagine swapping these is a bit imconvenient.
Yes, 2 40x40 profiles. Not sure how often you change shifters, but one way would be to have each shifter mounted to it's own dedicated pair of profiles with brackets. You could then loosen the brackets and slide the shifter assembly off towards the rear of the 80x40 shifter mount. Then slide the other assembly on. Of course this would mean you would need to remove the plastic profile cover on the end of the 80x40. Or leave it off. Personally I would not want both shifters at the same time. One of them would always be offset from the optimal shifting position I think.
Barry: that would be the best solution indeed. Quaiffe offers a discount on both when purchased as a bundle and since the shaft of my TH8A broke today I guess I’ll be making a long term investment soon😆
Barry: where can I find the gearknob that you use for the Quaiffe sequential?
Sparco universal shifting knob. Probably not available anymore but Sparco has some nice current models. Thanks.
To be more specific: it’s the Sparco PK R77, it weighs 300 gram.
Great review! Is this notably stiffer than JCL V2? I guess they are both stiff, but did you feel any difference?
Yes, they are both stiff cockpits and they do have a different feel to them when you first climb in. Hard to explain. I would be happy with either one I think.
Thanks a lot! Cheers :)
How about sim floor? How do I install that??
With that keyboard mount do you know if it would be in a good position for FPS games since it only has one articulating joint?
You can tighten the vesa mount pivot bolt to where it is pretty stiff. So I think it would not have any problems with FPS games.
Only issue might be the amount of area that you need when moving your mouse in the heat of battle. I have seen some players
with longer mouse movements that others.
Thank you so much for the channel first of all, quick question , whats better SIM LAB P1 or the TRAKRACER TR160? I am trying to use the DD1 and trying to build a nice system , appreciate the help : )
Sorry, I have not had a chance to test the TR160. Although, based on my experience with profile cockpits, I would think it will be a very sturdy unit. However the wheelbase mounts do raise some concern with how much metal has been removed from the cross mount pieces. But need to test to draw a final conclusion.
@@simracinggarage3026 Thank you so much for your kind reply, also what is the motion system that was used for this setup ?
D-BOX
How do you like those MFG crosswinds? 40:56 I am reluctant to buy them. Two months to receive them from overseas sounds like a scam,but I have seen a few people using them. I cheaped out on my rudder pedals and just got the thrustmaster ones.I thought it would compliment my warthog set.If you are wondering,yes, they are trash,quality hotas does not transfer to quality rudder pedals.
Just get them. I waited 3 months. No issues. They are the best sim rudder pedals I have ever used.
Some really nice flight sim gear on your wall as well. Do you have another channel or plans to do some flight sim hardware reviews? I'm keen for a dual purpose rig with a relatively easy conversion from road to flight.
What monitors are you using in this video?
your pro sim h pattern shifter and super knob or I can find it. thank you
How do you do the final tighten on the seat mounts, when the seat is already in place? A very low profile allen key?
I replace the cap head socket bolts with regular hex head bolts. Easy to get a wrench on the low profile hex head.
When I go to purchase a seat it says it can’t be purchased at this time. Was wondering if you knew why.
Sorry, no.
What is your way of dealing with number of USB connections required to run a Rig like yours?
Do you use internal USB PCIe expansion card to get more ports (if so which one?)
Or did you had any luck with hubs? Or mix of both?
Thanks
I have tried expansion cards, and hubs. I have had the best results with these high powered hubs: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008ZGKWQI/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
They are capable of 25 watts. Their power supply provides 5v at each port with a max of 5 amps total to all ports. I have found that some usb powered sim racing hardware can be very sensitive to the power they are provided over the usb port. There are other things that can effect the performance of our usb devices. And can be difficult to trouble shoot. So taking the problem of not enough power out of the equation helps a lot. Having up to 9 usb devices running on my simulator at times, combined they will need a lot of power to keep all of them happy. I currently run 2 of these hubs.
Thank you for getting back to me Barry.
Before reading your answer I have ordered 13 port 60W Anker hub (www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00KHJ2C3C/ref=pe_3187911_185740111_TE_item) which is capable of similar amperage per port as the one from your link plus they both use VIA chipset so hopefully all will be fine.
Also I have ordered 7 port PCIe extension card (www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01EHU1EWG/ref=pe_3187911_185740111_TE_item)... I was using other 7 port USB expansion card before but it has stopped working recently, I assume due to Windows 10 update (we all love them don't we?) and due to lack of updated drivers. The one I got this time is supposed to be the least problematic of the bunch according to buyers comments (also this, I assume, Chinese brand has website with some drivers on it).
I never experimented with HUBs before because I remember reading on iracing forum that HUBs are introducing latency and becasue of that are not a good idea for sim gear - have you noticed anything like it with your use?
It would be perfect if this Anker hub would work just fine. Would solve all my problems and you have given me hope with you recommendation for similar HUB plus with your finding that HUBs, for you, were the least problematic in the end.
hey barry got a link for the speaker mounts on amazon. thanks!
Here ya go! www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005BV0FHG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
@@simracinggarage3026 That saved me asking cheers lol
@Sim Racing Garage Are you still using butt kickers ? If so where did you mount them on the p1. Thanks
Not using them now. The D-Box system's actuators also provide tactile feedback. So, no transducers needed.
Sim Racing Garage thanks for the feedback
can you mount the pedals and seat down between to frame rails to lower the overall height of everything
Sure, you can do most anything with 80/20 profile. Just need to source the parts to make it happen.
Sim Racing Garage hi mate could you tell me what kind of speakers so i can find me some?
You said in a comment that you have other cockpit configurations you want to try out. What do you dislike about the P1 that you are looking into other rigs?
Yes, always on the lookout for something new to try.
Do you dislike anythink about the P1? Or do you just like to try new stuff? (anything you look for in other rigs that the P1 does not have?)
P1 is great! I just like trying new things.
Does anyone know what speakers are those!?!!
hello Barry Fantastic review as always
can you plz tell me where did you get the USB adapter that you have hooked up on ur rig for ur wheel USB cable thanks
That is a part that I had made at Turn Racing. He makes custom wheels like the Audi R8 wheel I did a review on. This particular adapter/mount uses a Lumberg connector that I put on my wheels. I'm sure he can make you something with a regular USB "A" interface if you ask.
Sim Racing Garage Thanks for replying back but this is the item I was looking for I’ll send you a picture but it’s a little blurry it’s where you have your USB cable connected to it where it’s Kaina mounted on to your rig on the 8020 profiles it’s that USB wire that comes out of your steering wheel directly into your 8020 profiles that little mount that you have it hooked up to tried to send a picture but I just there’s no way I can do it through here
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Sim Racing Garage Thank you very much keep up the good work Barry
what Speaker wires are you using and where can I get them ?
thanks
Do you like the steering wheel that high up? I prefer it lower otherwise I feel like I am hanging down from the wheel.
Yes. Everyone is different, so it would not surprise me if it would be too high for some.
@@simracinggarage3026 Thanks for the reply. Where would you recommend the keyboard tray go then if you were to mount the wheel lower?
You can mount it on the outside of the wheel support profile. You will still be able to swivel it to where you can reach the keyboard easily, but will not be able to swivel all the way under the wheel. I have to do this sometimes when I use a larger round style rim. I remove the keyboard from the tray and lay it in my lap on those occasions. I have it attached to the tray with a thin strip of velcro down the middle and 2 of these sticky pads people use for cell phones. www.ebay.com/itm/New-2pcs-Black-Anti-Slip-Car-GPS-Phone-Holder-Dashboard-Sticky-Pad-Non-Slip-Mat-/281799554789?hash=item419c8ff6e5 I place them on either side of the keyboard. Have yet to have the keyboard bounce away. And I run my tactile setting pretty high often.
What is the name of that speaker please
Hello can you tell me the brand for the speakers they are very cool
Orb.
Hey there, what make & model speakers are those you have? Thanks
www.orbaudio.com/collections/outlet
Are there any kits that work work on xbox one????
What are your thoughts on 3 curved monitors for Sim racing
I would have to see them in action first. Curious as to how the curved edges look next to each other. As far as any perceived distortion at the extreme edge of these units.
Anyone know what wheel rim he is using?
Wait, what Motion System are you using? UCM?
D-BOX
After reviewing JCL v2 and P1, how do they differ in practical terms? After seing the JCL v2 it almost looked like the P1 was more difficult to mount, though maybe it was the presentation in the video, and I'm getting real worried about the P1 black scratching easily.
Either one would get the job done. The JCL is wider and lighter. They are both very stiff platforms. The black finishes on both will scratch if you do not take care in mounting your hardware. Just everyday use can cause a scratch somewhere. Silver would be the best color if you are worried.
Thanks! Guess it's time to live a bit dangerously. Wonderfully detailed videos, looking forward to the next! I keep learning something new every time I watch a new one. Thanks for doing this!
Anodizing have similar finish to a marker pen, so you can use that to hide scratches. I would guess it is easier to hide on black than silver. Cheers :)
Great review. Where in the states can you purchase?
You should drop them an email. I'm not sure if they have a North American distributor.
Yea, I did and have not had a response yet. So, I posted here.Thanks great video once again.
What motion are you using when driving?
D-Box
Hey Barry sorry to pin you down but looking to get p1 or jcl v2 which would you recommend over the other?
My choice would be the P1. But just barely. And only because it is made with industry standard 40 series profile. I really like the powder coated finish on the JCL product. It is also lighter, so easier to move around if you need to.
Sim Racing Garage ok thanks alot
How long is the steering wheel extension and where did you get it from?
It's 4", from ebay: www.ebay.com/itm/4-Steering-Wheel-Spacer-Polished-Aluminum-for-MOMO-NARDI-ISOTTA-SPARCO-OMP/111015588260?epid=2280721744&hash=item19d90b71a4:g:cgkAAOSwP~tW5lsv&vxp=mtr
Hi Barry,
Edit: all good.
For those who look for extension in EU good place (competitive price and quality, discount code can be found online 10%) is:
www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorsport/steering-wheel-bosses-accessories/b-g-racing-alloy-steering-wheel-spacers-6-bolt
I bought myself 120mm one. They come with screws and both 6x 70mm and 6x 72.4mm patterns. The wight of 120mm one is 340g (to be confirmed)
For those in USA the one like Barry has can be had even cheaper directly from distributor (free shipping) and in black or silver:
6980-B4.0 (black 4")
www.flashpowerparts.com/steering-wheel-parts/660-40-steeringwheelhubadapterextensionspacer-black.html
6980-B5.0 (black 5")
www.flashpowerparts.com/steering-wheel-parts/661-50-steeringwheelhubadapterextensionspacer-black.html
Also available in silver .
Good luck
Hello, what is a low cost motion addon for a P1 you could recommend?
I have only tried D-Box on the P1. So, really can't recommend anything I haven't tried.
Sim Racing Garage Do you know of any lower cost motion controls? How much is the D-Box?
ok, but how would one mount a shifter h pattern and an (HE)handbrake horizontal in so little space.
specially if I was using the same big ass shifter youre using ? we can forget about the mouse tray, as I would mount in else where or no where. as I have an all in one keyboard
I am going to be getting some hand brakes to review soon. When using the hand brake, I will use a sequential shifter. So, not as big of a footprint. I will be fabricating an aluminum plate to mount both the shifter and hand brake to. Then mount that to the rig.
At least that's the plan. Great thing about 80/20 is you can always find a solution to a mounting problem.
Thank You, Ill be looking forward for that video. can you also try with a thrustmaster shifter ?
Yes, it is on my list for 2018. Plus some available mods for that shifter.
What size and model monitors are those?
ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q 27" 2560x1440 IPS
Has he tried VR yet?
Yes.
Sim Racing Garage not a fan ?
With such expensive wheels, be a shame not to see them. VR for me tho, never going back to monitors
Yes I am a VR fan. VR has tremendous potential as far as immersion is concerned. Just has a way to go before I give up my beautiful IPS monitors. Also, the physical aspects of today's goggles will improve a lot in the future. Some day we will look back at monitor technology as it is today and think, how primitive!
Sim Racing Garage so true. I think the new windows mr headsets and the vice pro are already better then the current stuff for sim racing. It will only get better
Barry, how did you mount the Sparco shifter knob? What did you us for that?
It came with some different sized nylon inserts. Pick the diameter that you need for your shifter and push it into the
knob. Mount the knob and tighten the 3 set screws in the knobs collar onto the shifters shaft. Screw on the cover ring and your done.
Sim Racing Garage Thanks for the advice. My Sparco Tecno is second hand and came without the nylon inserts. Hope I can find these separately.
You could try these: www.ebay.com/itm/MOMO-Nardi-Sparco-NRG-ISOTTA-Shift-Knob-Install-Kit-Screws-and-Bushings/141524884143
I think the Sparco needs M10
The Sparco knob in this video uses a universal mounting system. No threads. If you buy the same you should get everything you need to mount it to a shaft with the knob kit.
What's the brand name of the speakers?
Orb.
What size monitors are you using and at what resolution
They are 27" IPS Monitors running at a combined resolution of 7680x1440.
Thanks, are you using a 1080ti and if so what setting do you use within the game ie Low, Medium, High or Ultra
Is the pcars or ac? Or..
Questchaun iRacing
Does this fit any sparco seat ?
If it is a one piece shell racing seat. As they all have a standard racing seat bolt pattern.
Sim Racing Garage also what other fixed seats would you recommend
Seats are a very subjective thing when it comes to comfort on longer stints. Just because one works for me doesn't mean it will for you. Best to try some a your local speed shop if you have one. That said, the NRG Pixma is comfortable to me and some others I have had over to try different setups.
Looks expensive