Ford 4V V10 First Start! | It Sounds Insane!
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- Опубликовано: 1 ноя 2023
- Its finally time to get the 4V V10 engine started! The moment we have all been waiting for for the past year and a half, is here!
In the last video we received our custom camshafts, and finished assembly of the engine. As promised, we got right back to work to bring you guys this engine start video as quickly as possible.
If all you want to do is hear this cammed even-fire beast fire up, click here 12:59. Otherwise, come along for the ride as we troubleshoot the engine's first start-up, because it fought us every step of the way. Spoiler alert, we won :)
00:43 - Intro
01:52 - Crank Signal Issues
06:52 - Ignition Issues
11:02 - Tune Issues
12:59 - First Start!
14:30 - Outro
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Gentlemen, I am an Engineer with 40 years of racing and building engines. What you have accomplished with this build is on par with the Jon Kaase and Ed Pink’s of the racing world. I do not have the words. You will have a great future in whatever life endeavors you choose to peruse. All the best!!
No kidding!
People have NO idea how difficult this stuff can be.
These guys knocked it out of the park!
Diego and Jack should be both awarded a Masters in systems engineering for this accomplishment.
Hell yeah it is!
Now uh....when you gonna have that therre Hooo charger and manifold added atop this magnificent beast?
Yknow, it runs, so the law is add boost until the rods see daylight, then rebuild it!
Seriously, congrats all around, thats a monumental amount of engineering and self taught just stubborn "fuck it, ill do it myself!" Energy.
That's the right kind of energy, if you ask me!
Needs a supercharger 👀
@@doktorzasinuseone issue with superchargers, ignoring heat soak and increased IAT, is the extra load put on the front main bearings. The sc pulley is torquing on the main pulley, and that puts extra load on the front main. This is especially true of a factory motor with aftermarket supercharger kit installed, but even when engines are designed from the factory for this extra load they still often have issues long term, especially when modified for more power than stock. I’m an engineer who’s worked for Ford and experience with amateur road racing and building engines for over 20 years. There are a lot of reasons why road race cars prefer N/A, especially amateur with less budget than factory team, but even factory teams stay away from superchargers. They’re good for drag racing or street, but less than ideal compared to other options for road race.
wow! congratulations, guys! what a crazy achievement!
Thank you! It was great seeing your P1 at SEMA, looking forward to seeing the rest of the build!
Hope you put break in oil in it!
Freddy, I heard you’re removing the hybrid system.. lol. Dude I can’t weight.. get it.. gonna be insane
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got anything that needs a V10?
I’m a retired custodian, this is freaking awesome! I hope you value my opinion as much as retired engineers.
Don't you mean facilities maintenance technician?
Custodial engineer ***
@@mchristr you don’t know my life 😤
I think these old 4V Fords are far from dead.
I think the 4V V8 and V10 are some of the finest sounding engines ever produced.
This is unreal, holy smokes! I cannot believe I'm watching it finally run today. This build might push the Ford V10 into a new place in the aftermarket!
Well, Ford would have to build a V10 version of the Coyote for this to work. And, if Ford says no, then these guys have their work cut out for them!
@JohnDoe-yj5ng if the heads are available cast or cnc there are plenty of ford v10 blocks sitting
Yes please
Just lying around with a cold and stumbled upon this video. I’ve wanted to do a boss v10/gt500 67-70 but it’s hard to find aftermarket for these things. You guys could possibly become big time rich…very quickly. I’d buy them 4v heads for sure!
@@JohnDoe-yj5ngnot exactly. if aftermarket’s see this and feel like a viable endeavor then all they have to make are cams, 4v style heads, timing equipment. all the bits other than the block unless they’d choose to do that as well.
As a retired engineer I am extremely impressed with your accomplishment. You and your team have a bright future!
Sounds like you were a shit engineer they rebuilt a once running engine and got it running what part is incredible?😂
@@karlwithak. Lol what?
@@karlwithak. 🤡
What these guys have accomplished is nothing short of incredible. Most people don’t realize what it takes to do what they did. Well done guys.
The cylinder heads alone are an impressive feat.
Been workin on and building cars, bikes and boats for over 40 years. Having seen this, Ima just go close my tool box and find something else to do. You men are automotive Gods. You just haven’t fully realized it yet. This is just an incredible engineering and mechanical achievement.
As soon as you can get the funding figured out, call Nelson Racing Engines or Steve Morris and find out if they can scan your heads and rocker covers. They have the capability to cnc machine these components, correct any issues from welding 4 heads together and also improve the geometry of the ports and chambers. Kind of like making FR500 heads for the V10. Congratulations on your success after so much hard work! I can’t wait to see it powering your vehicle and hopefully a Dyno video
It was nice to watch you stumble and learn. A lot of channels try to make it look like they know it all, your humble and honest approach made for an amazing journey to watch, I cant imagine how it feels to be in your shoes. You all earned that W.
This baffles me. The 4 valve 5.4 and 4.6 drops right in with factory computer, just reverse polarity on the coils. That’s it. Everything else is exactly the same, so with a 4 valve. V10 why not use stock computer. To run this thing and reverse coil polarity instead of reinventing the wheel. Creating the heads was the hardest part.
@@feellnfroggy the V10 was only in trucks and vans. Tunes for the 6.8 are harder to get hold of and limited to truck applications.
@@craigwiess1656 I'm aware. But it would have been drop in, and any tuner can change the parameters for car applications. Easier to get it running. Then swap to standalone later when you have more info. Moot now, it's running. Good job for that. Just seems the hard way.
@@feellnfroggy Admittedly I don't understand the subtleties of this but can a stock computer run 2 throttle bodies?
@@mchristr I missed that part of the build. No it can't. But you can run two parallel. 😁
Imagine a V10 like this in a Pantera mid engine car. On any car this thing would be amazing. Good job guys stuff dreams are made of.
Duuuude I didn’t even think about that. I was thinking a clapped out 90s caprice and make it a sleeper, or a farm truck, like an unassuming ranger or a 90s f150
GT-40 clone,.. or Shelby Coupe would be amazing homes for this motor, as would the 90's era Ford GT, or a 30's/40's Lincoln. Heck, in a late 50's or early 60's Thunderbird, this would be amazing.
a v10 pantera would be sick
@@robhersey1796 It would indeed.
Been following this journey. Y’all need to perfect building these and people will buy these 100 Percent. So proud of y’all.
Young people need to be doing more of this. Great job boys
Yes absolutely. While most idiots their age are wasting away playing video games, these guys are doing awesome things. I hope these guys become very wealthy while keeping that smile of pure delight.
Cash flow is a major influence on "young people" doing this. Js. The average person can NOT afford to do this bud.
@@rescuedabyss if they didn't waste their money on garbage and cry about entering the workforce at entry level and not management for their first job they could. It took these guys well over a year working JOBS and this in their spare time. Dont take away from these guys by saying they are privileged or something. No. These guys are willing to work towards something.
@@doogie525you can’t just say everyone has access to stuff like this
@@doogie525just another out of touch boomer that thinks everyone got to live life on easy mode like his generation did. Nothing to see here.
As a retired mechanical engineer, I'm blown away by what you guys have achieved! Well done!!!!
Engineering an engine, harness, and software. WOW!
AS A LIFE FORD RACING FAN,THANK YOU.👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
This is a unique V10 sound, and by far my favorite. Simply built for muscle, nay exotic.
True Dual and even fire is a very weird combo
Boys, that thing sounds wild. I assumed it would be similar to a Viper, but it definitely has some higher pitch Lambo/Audi noise coming through.
you’ve accomplished something most expert engine builders would never try… this is an incredible accomplishment!
Well a viper engine is a push rod motor this is a doc motor I can already say it’s probably gonna be turning up 8,000rpm like nothing
@@5.slow-rangerThe location of the cams doesn't make nearly as much difference to the sound as the cam profile, header design, and firing order do. In fact, a pushrod engine and a dohc engine with all other factors similar would sound nearly identical
@@tome1903 except it does; it is the same reason the 2,3, and 4v mod motors all sound completely different.
@@wckdvnmproductionsand number of valves
The dodge is an odd-fire design and the ford is even-fire. The dodge shares crankpins between banks while the ford has offset or “split” pins to correct the firing intervals. The dodge sounds better imo more aggressive, the ford has a supercar sound, this one sounds amazing compared to the trumpety drone of the stock 6.8 2valve.
That first start sounded great. Ford did make a few experimental DOHC V10s based on the 4.6L. There's some videos floating around of them running.
I think it was a small team at SVT that made the 4.6 based V10; which ironically came out to be a 5.4 I believe. That’s a totally different approach though. They had to cast a block, and have a custom crankshaft made as well as the heads. Ford missed the mark by dropping that project 😢
@@MrLuvtheUSA yes. It was a 5.8L. The displacement recalled the old 351 Cleveland and Windsor. They also used a common pin crankshaft for strength and high rpm. That's one thing I worry about on this build is the strength of the split pin crank at high rpm or lots of boost.
I have done some hot rodding of the ford v10. Nothing like this though. With my couple of built motors, I found the split pin crank is good for about 500HP and 5500 RPM MAX. I didn't do any cam changes, and it takes some work to get them to 500HP.
@@dalewhitehead5378 that seems quite low. Have you broken a crankshaft?
@@MrLuvtheUSANo, Ford did not miss the mark. Those of us old enough to remember the MM&FF, et al articles about that project know the inherent problems with that engine as well as any V10 based on the mod motor family of this era was NVH and the split-pin crankshaft. There are very good reasons why the 4.6 & 5.4 got more aftermarket support while the 6.8L was left to truck/RV/generator duty, it flexes a lot more than the V8 blocks where high-rpm and/or high cylinder pressures make it liability compared to investing the time, money, effort into the V8's.
As a self-proclaimed engineer I gotta say, this is good.
This is astonishing when 3 younger guys have done in their garage. Stuff like this takes a full company of dedicated engineers to figure out and big big money.
This reminds me of a modern day version of the movie October SKy
Awesome job guys and man that homemade 6.8L DOHC 40V Triton V10 sounds like a freakn beast.
Stumbled upon your videos back when you were still cutting and welding the heads, and honestly was a tad dubious at the beginning. But I soon realised you three guys are extremely clever and determined, and now wow! Listen to that baby, absolutely unreal! Been checking my phone constantly for this upload, and it was worth it. Well done, lads!
I’ve been an automotive technician for 30 years and all I can say is WOW.👍
In older Harleys, we called wasted spark, "Dual Fire". Most of the time, we converted to single fire. Excellent job, Fellas! Sounds badass!
I’m a fan of truck v10s so this is amazing to see. I drive a 98 Ram 2500 with the cast iron magnum V10. I’ve always wanted to built a high performance, high revving one and y’all are even more of an inspiration. Nobody that starts to mess with these ford v10s OR the dodge v10s ever get anywhere with their ideas until you guys showed up and actually made something happen. Y’all are doing us V10 lovers proud and I’m excited to see this thing dyno tuned and do some pulls. I also really hope after all that work that y’all build some beautiful headers for this thing.
I have a v12 in my 750il makes little power now but this project makes me want to tear into mine and try and see how much power can be squeezed out of it
I think the viper heads can be modified to fit the dodge 8.0 truck v10. I used to be into the dodge v10s. I had to drive a ford v10 for work and it stunk compared to the dodge, mileage was better on the ford though! 10mpg vs 8-9
This is an awesome project. The vision and the carry through are something to be proud of.
As many are saying you both have achieved something truly unique and in the automotive perspective, incredible.
I think I mentioned it before in previous comments that I too always wondered about the triton V10 work engines and if they could be used in a performance set up. I always sought to hop up a 3 valve but this 4 valve idea is ingenious. Some true old school get' er done hot rodding attitude behind this project and can't wait to see what's next.
And maybe in the future you guys will develop a 4 valve upgrade kit for triton V10s👀
Can’t even imagine how many sleepless nights you both had while laying awake and problem solving in your wrestles minds???
Well done indeed gentlemen! Huge congrats.
This reminds me of the crazy stuff the old school NHRA guys were doing. Welding engines together, quad motors on a top fuel car, etc.
Great to hear you got in touch with Richard Holdner. I'm really excited to see how far you take this combo
You guys gotta make this project go to SEMA next year, y'all have one entire year to make her PERFECT!
What an incredible feat of engineering. Everyone here seems to agree you definitely deserve some serious recognition for what you have accomplished. Congratulations to ya.
You young men are a true inspiration . This video should be shown in all schools.
Kudos to you guys...that's a monumental achievement and sounds great. I'm a Pontiac guy at heart but I've always said a built V10 Ford would be badass and carol Shelby thought so too w the cobra prototype they had built
I'm also a Pontiac enthusiast and dedicated Anti-Ford, that being said I love V-10s with displacement and these men have accomplished something epic. Definitely inspiring to see them endure the variety of hardships and come away with a Victory ✌️
@@SGTMARSHALL1Pontiac died a long time ago I understand why you would hate 😂 Ford still being here and all. V10’s are very nice I had a v10 F250 sold it in 2019 with 450k miles it needed a performance version
@@CoyoteFTW my hate for Ford comes from purchasing 2 of them and then watching them disintegrate into worthless piles of shit over a very short time. I am glad that you got some good mileage out of yours
The cobra concept was a 5.8 v10 though. It was built for racing. The 6.8 is more for hauling.
The problem with V10 ford is that the crankshaft is a weakness. That is why no one really does anything for the V10. I would say with the dual overhead cam heads it's possible that it's close to it's limit on power. With that being said...it sounds truly beautiful.
Great job...
awesome, this is the type of RUclipsr I like. thinking outside the box, interesting builds, and no Vlogs on their 5th GTR/EVO whatever build or give away.
It's people like you coupled with unique builds like this that could give inspiration to what other people could accomplish. You give perseverance and patience a whole new meaning. And for that, I salute you. 🎉
Man, that sounds rowdy AF!!! 😍😍😍
I hope you guys are building a sweet set of headers for it too?
This is by far the most exciting RUclips build I’ve ever watched. I’ve always wanted to see someone do something with these engines. The amount of work you guys have and continue to put in is crazy keep it going this is just incredible. Cant wait to see the next episode!
love to see the dyno numbers and see how they stack up to the current 7.3 Godzilla
This is wicked! Nice work! Great video too, showing all the struggles.
Thank you! And we are glad you enjoyed our struggle 😅. Huge fans of your content btw!
Let's go boys!! I'm so hyped to see the 40 Valve v10 running!! Good job I can't wait to see it moving a vehicle under its own power!!
Huge salute to you guys for all the hard work and sticking with it.
Great job guys!! You’re restoring my faith in the youth of our country! That’s quite an undertaking for which you have succeeded!!
To see you guys get that running it sounds so sick I have been a technician 30 years and wow they don’t make guys like you anymore good to see all your hard work come to life can’t wait to see what you do next
It sounds amazing. I could hear the different note from the exhaust because of the 4 valve configuration. Great job everyone. Keep it up.
What an achievement, I still remember some of your first videos when this was just an idea!
I found your channel today, and I binge-watched literally all your videos. This build is beyond incredible! Great job guys!
I been working on power trains for over 47 years and i'm truly impressed!!
Needs a performance Y-pipe(increasing diameter) or an X-pipe to really have THAT sound that you're looking for. For the Y, do dual 2.5 into single 3.5, or if this ends up over 650bhp, do dual 3 into single 4. Not to mention that you'll also need equal-length headers. But man, what a long way to have come to finally get the first start!
Congrats both of you. Your hard efforts paying off!
I binged watched your whole series up until this episode and all I can say is I'm very impressed. This is more than inspiring. This is the definition of a Gearhead. Blood, Sweat, Tears and Smiles. 💪🏾🍻
I’ve binged your videos over the last couple of days. Absolutely amazing and what you’ve achieved and very inspiring. I wish we even had the 2valve V10 here in the UK!
Awesome progress! Thanks for sharing the hurdles you guys have overcome. It’s not only interesting but it helps others know what to look for if they’re working on projects of their own. I’m pumped to see this thing in the car and can’t wait to hear it on the dyno!
CONGRATS GUYS!! Crazy journey, keep pushing!
from an owner of two 4v Ford engines, this is amazing!! Congrats!!
Guys, this is unbelievable. Truly astonishing. Congratulations on the success of your build and I hope your journey continues to impress just the same.
I just found you guys and binged every vid. I am so impressed with your abilities and sense of adventure! Easily one of the funnest channels I’ve ever found on RUclips. I only had to wait a week to see this beast fire up, what a tremendous achievement, thank you!!
Sounds absolutely menacing and amazing! Fantastic work guys. No leaks so far is a big W.
I keep re watching this. Cant get enough. Super cool. Cant wait to hear it rev out.
You guys were so EXCITED
Man, I love this video. I’ve been watching you guys from its conception waiting for this day. I could never afford a motor like that to be built but I sure am proud for you guys. What a blessing how fun with it
Great job guys!! That thing sounds like a beast!! Can't wait for you guys to be able to really lean on it and see what it can do.
You guys rule!! New age of Hot Rodders makes my heart happy
I have been watching from the beginning and it's crazy to finally hear it run...ive told every person I know that's into cars about this project now I need to spread the good news
Sounds amazing! I've had 6.8 V10 aspirations after owning one, but I've really anxious to see this thing from you guys. Congratulations!!
I'm stuck on waiting to see the future.
Great job guys!
Definitely saw that intake try to burst!
Congratulations guys!! That must be super exciting for you! Very happy for you. Keep up the amazing work.
This is way too cool. I like how you guys show all the troubleshooting. It makes it really feel attainable for others to try something like this 👍
14:08 The sound of an even firing v10 can't be beaten
Glad someone else is doing what I wish I could do to the ford V10. Good job guys. I was looking for aftermarket V10 heads for awhile and I figured before I saw your video that someone would just have to fabricate their own.
I’d love to have a fully built 4 valve head Supercharged or turbo V10 with a low lift cam in a Excursion setup for towing and off-road.
Congratulations guys. Great accomplishment 🎉
Insane accomplishment. Congratulations to you two. Incredible work.
Just stumbled across this video. Brought back some memories of a project I did about 12 years ago. I remember the excitement after finally getting all the electronics straightened out and that thing firing off. I was walking 4 ft off the ground for a couple of days. But what you guys accomplished you should be walking 4 ft off the ground for a month. When that thing fired off I was smiling ear-to-ear with you. Excellent job and that thing is a beauty
Wow, such an awesome project guys!! This channel is definitely underrated 👌
First video of the day! Couldn't have been better, exciting stuff guys!! That definitely sounds better than the 2v btw!
That is absolutely incredible! I can’t wait to see what you guys put it in! Congrats
Mega props to you guys for this project! Looking forward to more vids.
Here from YDBT 4 Life, Literally this is like Ed Pink but kinda on steroids especially given y'all's age and experience level, wish more of our generation is like y'all the world would be a MUCH better place, much love and respect ❤️❤️🔥🔥🔥🤌🫡
Insane job guys! You can be proud!
Sounds incredible!
Genuinely happy for you guys good job
Unreal! Congrats, you guys put your brains to the test and won! Can’t wait to see what you put this beast in
Instant Thumbs Up!!!!! Awesome work guys!
Bravo guy's. I'm genuinely so happy for you both and seeing all your hard work pay off. What a sound too. Sounds like both a throaty american engine with flat plane overtones as you blipped it. Very cool!!!
What a rush! Huge respect guys!
I remember my first engine start on a standalone ECU I wired, installed and tuned myself. A rush indeed...
Kudos to your passion, ethics, stick-to-it-ed-ness. Great build and great sound. Can't wait to see it in the car! Well, done!!!
Sounds AMAZING!! Love the work !! Mad support for the FORD GUYS !! MODULAR FREAK !!
I really hope you guys can do great things in development for the V10 if you guys could get to a point where you could make new castings for 4V heads and parts. That would be amazing. I really want to put a V10 in my 69 F250 with turbos or even just NA cause I love the sound of them. That monster you guys have built sounds insane!
awesome job guys! looking forward to the next video.
Great job!! I cant wait to see it run.
Congrats guys on getting it to work! I do wonder what it would sound like with a x pipe. Having both banks coming together would probably sound beautiful.
Congrats, this is a huge accomplishment to build something like this and it actually runs. Sounds insane. Basically a bad ass v10 coyote haha love it
It’s closer to terminator architecture. A coyote variant would be scary
This is basically a triton and trinity half breed 4v v10.
I'm glad this showed up in my feed! Good luck gentlemen. I'll be following.
What a beauty!!!!!!!!!😍😍😍😍😍😍sounds like proper horsepower!!!!! Wow!!!!!!
This video popped on my feed and I am over the moon to have watched this!!!
Bravo gentlemen, in one year in your shed, marvellous!!!
Fucking incredible. This is without a doubt my favorite build on RUclips.
Wow, what a sound! Sounds so much better than any V10 I've ever heard. Been a carb and points mechanic most of my like. I could tune those1. I can't do what you guys do. Can't teach this old dog, any new tricks. Lol Awesome! Gonna have to hear it again in the Lincoln!
Massive congratulations fellas!!
BRAVO - WOW, WOW, WOW -- Love the V10's - Their sound of these engines is just crazy AWESOME
Congrats on the first start! Also, I noticed a weird bobble in the serpentine belt at 7:45, might be worth looking at if you haven't already. Cheers!
Good eye! That top pulley needed to be shimmed a little to align.
I can imagine seeing this 6.8L DOHC 40V Triton V10 powering a 67-72 Ford F100 Bumpside while bashing gears with a 6-speed manual gear box.
Just an amazing achievement and a sound to die for
Honestly I love seeing this sort of stuff just friends in a garage making dreams turn into reality can't wait too see what you do with this